Breaking Down Tyler Henry's Most Deceptive Reading Technique

Today we're going to talk about Tyler Henry. And this one gets really interesting. Greg, tell us about the videos we're going to watch. >> Yeah. So, people have asked us for this one for years. And Tyler Henry, I'm going to read you what AI says about Tyler Henry. He's an American clairvoyant medium and television personality. Born in 1996, best known for his eeries Hollywood medium and Netflix's Life After Death. Today, we're going to watch him talk to Chris Jenner. This is an interesting one. >> Hello. >> Oh my gosh. Chris, how are you? >> Wow. I shock. It was so lovely meeting you. Oh my gosh. I cannot believe I'm meeting you going. >> I had no clue at all. So this is like >> They don't tell you anything >> ever. Never. >> Wow. [laughter] >> So I'm like in shock. >> I'm Chris Jenner and Tyler might recognize me from the show Keeping Up with the Kardashians. My daughter Chloe is going to join me today. I think I'm a little nervous. I've never had a reading before. >> Well, thank you for having me. I'm >> Thank you for coming over. >> A shock, but I'm really excited to do this. It'll be [clears throat] fun. All right, Greg, what do you got? >> Yeah, I'm going to start this off by saying I'm a Christian, so me talking saying that people can't talk to spirits or can't talk to something past here would be the utmost of hypocrisy. So, I'm not going to say that. I'm also not going to tell you that other people can't talk to dead people. I don't know that. So, what I want to do is to look at what this guy is doing and say, do I believe he is talking to dead people? Is he talking to somebody else? And what I've seen most of these guys do is elicitation all day, every day. It's a skill set intel people use. And this is contrived elicitation because in real elicitation, you don't tell the person what you know. You fish it out of them in a different way. This is a handy one because you can build a box around what you don't know by tools that you do know and then make it a game that they win too when you get the information right. And I we're as we walk through this, I'm going to point out what I see and what mechanical things are going on. Or maybe I'll just say, "Hell, maybe he is talking to dead people." Before we get there, I'm not going to tell you. But what the way this thing works typically is they will divulge what they know and not the source. Important. Important. They divulge what they know and not the source. We may do that in intelligence, but we're doing we know all. We're giving you just enough to leave a gap for you to fill in. That's what most of these guys do. Elicitation is nothing more than creating a framework for rapport. And if you think about an hourglass, you start off with broad with rapport, talking about something other than what you want to know. When you get down to what you want to know, you narrow the band on that and then broaden back out as you go. If you make a mistake, you quickly run back to rapport and cover it. So, we're going to listen for clues for that. But the reason horoscopes and all this stuff work so well is because our brains are real pattern finders. And if we feel like we're trying to help solve the problem, it makes it our problem, too. So, this stuff works. What I love about this guy is his eccent eccentricity. And I'm sure Scott's gonna talk about Mark's eccentricity here in a minute, but what I love about it is it makes you seem otherworldly. And it may be something odd. Him just scratching on the pad and doing all that, but I'm not going to go much further than that. Rapport is everything. Think about that hourglass. I'll give you some escape techniques these guys use if I see them in him. But I'm going to set it up that way. Scott, what do you see? Yeah, I'm a Christian, too. And I don't believe he can talk to dead people. Because if at this point, if he if if he were real, if he really could see see, you know, if he really was a medium and knew what was going on, he would have known he was going to her house. How can he say he didn't know he was going to her house when that's what he does for a living? Do what? >> They're keeping the secrets from him. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The ghosts are keeping secrets from him. So there had to be the the reason I'm taking the the exact opposite of that is because to me I know what this looks like from from perspective of of being of logic and this this doesn't this isn't right. This is there's a thing called Barnum statements. I call it the shotgun blast where you throw out a bunch of stuff like Greg was just talking about. It's a shotgun blast on the wall and there's all these little um dots on the wall and one of those little things may have something to do with what you're talking about. It may not. But if it does, man, they go right to it. They start talking about it. And it it we see a lot of that here. We see a lot of that in here. And if you think for one second somebody on that show that's running the show didn't say to him, "Yeah, man. You're doing Chris Kardashian. That's who you're doing this week or in a month because these things aren't set up that day or the day before, the week before, two weeks before." They're set up months in advance because there's a You think Christian busy? She's busy. So they this guy has a lot of time to do a lot of background uh searching on her and find out information about her. Now there may be some situation where you can you know you get a feeling about somebody and they're going through something tough and you call them up. Hey man, what's going on? You're not going to believe this. Oh wow. You know those kind of things I believe can happen with a parent, a child, that kind of thing for some reason. But I don't believe there's a ghost up there telling you, you know, your your dead parents or something telling giving somebody information about you or anything else like that. So my take's going to be going down that road and showing why I think this isn't real at all. Mark, what do you got? >> Yeah, look, I'm willing to be uh convinced or prove proven of something. uh he says that he's never met her before and yet when he shows up he's talk they're both talking over the top of each other in a way that I've never seen happen when you meet somebody for the first time it's like okay I need to gauge this person they need to gauge me there's there is short of all the usual exchanges that you get when you come to somebody's house for the first time okay they're talking over the top of each other. This is not usual in my view. And he walks straight into the house, doesn't wait to be invited in. Well, you know, even vampires wait, you know, he's just he's just strolls on in. He has disregarded all the usual social norms for a North American uh in this kind of situation, which suggests to me he's not being honest about if they've met before. And then in the next shot, he walks right in and knows exactly where to sit. So that shot's been set up. Now you could say, "Okay, well then, you know, he hadn't met her before." And then then it No, he walked straight into the shot of walking through the door for the first time. So So yeah, it has happened where you could go, well then they set up the reverse shot. That would take too long. Both shots are happening at the same time. Both angle shots are happening simultaneously. They didn't reset the camera. This isn't the first time he's met. And here's here's also why these episodes are going to cost something around a half a million each. So, you just wouldn't leave it to chance. It's too much money to leave it to to chance. I I I would say um just too much money. So, so they've met before. Uh for sure. Um look, he he'll talk throughout this about what he calls a reading. Okay. What he's doing is a is a reading. And we'll investigate into this. Um he certainly is put forward as a psychic uh word meaning meaning meaning soul or spirit. So he's reading the spirit. I think the spirit that he is going to read is one of regret and blame and fault and forgiveness and responsibility. I would say what we're going to look into here is that as you've been saying uh Scott Greg that he maybe doesn't read the dead. What he does read is the person in the room >> and what he's looking to get to the spirit of is their regret, their responsibility, the sense of blame and and a need for forgiveness. And I think he does that in every example. Let's see whether I'm right about that. Chase, what's your angle on this? What you got? >> The mainstream media is not broken at all. It is functioning exactly as it was designed. 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So, don't keep trusting the people reading scripts for billionaires. stop being programmed and start seeing the depth of what is actually going on. Science can't even define consciousness. We don't know what the f it is. And we have things like sudden savant syndrome and near-death experiences. So, I'm not discounting that this is entirely possible. There's something there. Um, our little very young species has Jack, you know what? figured out. I think we don't have much figured out about what real how reality works or what this is. Uh but when I saw this video, I had to call our old buddy Spidey and uh he was uh less than than kind uh here, but uh basically um this idea of I had no idea who I was reading. Mark, you were talking about this. This is a staple of mentalism and and what they used to call spiritualist mediums. Uh not psychic. I think he identifies as a medium, but I'm not sure. >> Does y >> um since the 18 maybe 1700s. So these famous mentalists and mediums of this of like the Victorian and uh Edwardian area eras they use the same like surprise reveal to build credibility. This is maybe 200 years old and this is the core structure of exactly what you're seeing this method. Uh there's a there's a book called The Encyclopedia of Mentalism by uh their last name is Hull, Hu L. And this technique is in there. And I think this book is from like the 1800s or early 1900s. This technique is is one of the techniques listed in the in a book of mentalism, which is and mentalism is a way to kind of pretend the the psychic stuff. That's all I got. We'll see the next >> I got I got a call from Spidey and you know the first words out of his mouth >> I have a feeling that you're gonna do a video on a [laughter] medium. Is that what's going on? I said >> large. >> Then he talked to Jay said yeah. He said okay well tell me what's happening. And so he explained it to me and that's another thing that makes me mad about this thing having we've already watched the videos but I've seen better than this guy. I went to to to Spidey's show. >> Let me tell you something. And he told me afterwards seeing this stuff that that I couldn't I really could my brother and I were there. Chase, you were there. I couldn't believe some of the stuff he was doing. And afterwards I asked him about it. He said, "No, man. This is this is this is like psychology and it's tricks with a little psychology sprinkled on top of it. That's all that is. Don't don't fall for there. It's not a I'm not hearing things. There's not it's not anything like that." So I've seen better than this, like 10 times better than what we're going to see here. And he was inspired. If he said it's real, I would have gone it's real. Okay. >> Well, yeah, but I would have believed it. >> Don't I agree with you. There are better for sure. But this guy, as you watch this guy, he could have been a good CI or good human, >> a good interrogator. Yeah, man. >> He's got all the right skills to do human work and he's using them very clearly. We We'll get into those as we go. Scott, one of the things that I thought was important that you had to talk about is your reading by Mark. >> Let me tell you something. Okay, here's what happened. Let me let me tell you, let me preface it with [clears throat] I I really I really think I understand funny. I really do. I understand what funny is. And I and I was part of one of the the uh biggest as a producer as part of one of the the um biggest selling the biggest selling comedy record of all time since the Guinness Book of Roll Records. Jeff Fox really make me be a Redneck if I did the music tracks for that album. Right. I hang around a lot of comedians. I know a lot of comedians. I've done a lot of comedians albums and I love funny stuff and I swear to you one of the top three I was going to say four I think maybe one of the top three things I've ever seen in my life that the funniest things I've ever seen was Mark at Crime Con. Now here's what happened. Yeah, at Crime Con they have this this thing for for VIPs where you can come in and you get to sit down and talk to people. You get they give you this little room. It's in this little it's it's fairly small and we had two couches because there's four of us. We had a couch and a couple of chairs and then we have the chair for the persons to come in and talk to us and uh and and it's people that we it's like people that watch the show they come in like hey man you're like geez I remember you from the comments you know back and forth and afterwards we finished all that and all of there's a bunch of those rooms like that because different people go in go in the different rooms that have the VIP stuff. So, one of the rooms, the room next to us, it was a it was a table. Happened to be a little table. It had a little flower arrangement in the middle of it. And we were walking past that and Greg said, "That looks like a seance room." >> Little candles. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, Mark goes in and sits down and does the funniest medium bit I've ever seen. Not even a medium bit. I mean, it was the funniest bit I've ever seen in my life as a he was pretending he was a psychic and doing a seance. It was the funniest thing. One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. >> I have to say at Crime Con, one thing I got to add and then I'm done. >> I have never laughed harder than at an inappropriate conversation over lunch with three of you guys either. Mark, you weren't there. That was Mitch. >> Oh, >> and these two. And I I laughed so loud I was going to die. >> Which one was it? >> Oh, inappropriate. Totally appropriate. We were sitting at lunch in that big area, open area, the one of the big uh one of the chefs restaurants. I forget what the name of the place was. And we got into a conversation where Chase brought up a topic and your brother started beating the topic to death. >> And I started laughing so loud that you were like, "Man, I've never heard you laugh that loud. I wish I could share the topic." >> I remember that. I remember heard the laughing part. He's all the time. He writes TV shows and movies if nobody knows about him. Metric Rouse. And I don't remember what we were talking about cuz we're not going to we're not going to discuss it on the show, but it was funny. It's inappropriate for our show. >> Okay. But anyway, so I I was hoping at some point, Mark, if you get wild hair, you can go off and maybe do it for us. And don't do it right now. I know it's hard to to to make you start doing it, but you know, because it's odd. It's out of place. >> Channel See if the spirit takes me, Scott. >> Yeah. Yeah. See if spirit See if spirit talks to me, Scott. See if spirit comes through. All right. >> [laughter] >> If it does, let me know. >> We can't We can't We can't push spirit. We can't push spirit, Scott. Spirit will come or spirit won't. [laughter] >> Oh, but it it just kept going. It didn't stop. It just kept going. I thought I was going to vomit. I was laughing so hard. I couldn't catch my breath. So, the minute I got panicked, but God, that was so fun. >> Should we do another video? >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. >> Hello. >> Oh my gosh. Chris, how are you? >> Wow. I completely shock. It is so lovely meeting you. Oh my gosh. I cannot believe I'm meeting you where you were going. >> I had no clue at all. So, this is like >> They don't tell you anything >> ever. Never. >> Wow. >> So, I'm like in shock. >> I'm Chris Jenner and Tyler. You might recognize me from the show Keeping Up with the Kardashians. My daughter Chloe is going to join me today. I think I'm a little nervous. I've never had a reading before. >> Well, thank you for having me. I'm >> Thank you for coming over. >> A shock, but I'm really excited to do [laughter] this. It'll be fun. Now, obviously, you're a very public figure, so for me, my goal in doing readings is to always get information that there's no way I could know. Um, so the goal in doing this is just to get specifics, and that's really what I'm going to try. So, at this point, you know, if you have any questions about your personal life, we can try to look into that. >> What about health? >> Health. Yeah, sure. >> Um, keep in mind, um, when it comes to your eyesight, like there's a random decrease in vision. So, if you notice any changes along those lines, like go to a doctor and get that checked before it would ever become an issue. I know that's so crazy though because I my vision has been really weird lately. >> Interesting. >> But really weird. >> Yeah. >> And I haven't told anybody that. Nobody knows about my eyesight. >> Yeah. >> That's really interesting. >> You should be a doctor. [laughter] I don't need to go to the doctor now. I'm good. The older I get, the more interested I am in medical. But I'm like, what? Nobody else would know. especially about the eyes. And that's what blew my mind truly. >> All right, Mark, what do you got? >> Yeah, give me give me help and give me strength. Um, [laughter] the goal here is just to get specific. All right. All right. Well, then shall we get let's see how specific he gets. Okay. Keep in mind when it comes to your eyesight, there's a random decrease in vision. So if you notice any changes along those lines, go to your doctor and check before it comes an issue. Okay? So when you come to a certain age, your eyesight will decrease unless you're a complete outlier. Okay? For the majority of human beings on the planet, there's going to come a point in your life where decrease in eyesight for for the for the lady that he's interviewing is definitely going to be happening constantly is changes in in eyesight. So there's nothing specific about that random decrease. Anyway, just going look, you know, we don't know why. So listen, you don't want this guy as a doctor because a doctor like the last thing you want is this guy as a doctor because he hasn't said exactly what's happening. He's not said exactly why it could be happening and he's put forward no ideas around what could be done about any of this. And a doctor, you'd want to do at least three of those things, which is here's what I I detect in you. here's some, you know, differential diagnosis. Here's some possibilities as to why this has happened. And given that, here's what we might do about it. And by the way, here's the test that we're going to do in order to work out how accurate I am around that. So, no, he shouldn't be a a doctor. This is he's just throwing out generalities which are going to be most likely correct for anybody of that age. and that if it wasn't correct, she'd be an outlier. An absolute outlier. Yeah. Um, so yeah, there's nothing already. He said, "Look, we we're going to be specific." And he's not specific at all. At all. Greg, what do you got on this one? >> Yeah. So, a couple of things. One, you've got to do some kind of disclosure to embrace that person, to get that person to embrace you. The last thing you want is a cynic sitting across from you after you built rapport while you're trying to build rapport. So, you got to have something that lands at least is somewhat valuable because if you don't, then now everything you say after this is going to be suspect. So, that's a pretty easy putt. Like you said, she's 60 at the time of this recording. She's 60. Yeah, your eyes are going south one way or the other. There's probably a handful of other things you could say. They're a lot more rude, but you can intervene on most of those things in your body with surgery. And that I if if I'm correct, there's still no surgery to fix prespopia, which is that near sightness that comes with age because your eyes change shape. which is a really good slow ball, but what he's after is getting something that gives him some credibility with her. And he's going to read her body language and see she's getting it. And she's like, "Okay, that is important." And the natural phase of being human is all this is. Now, what we want to do is look and see, does he try something else that's a little more outlandish, a little more specific, a little tighter. And this is classic. And in the interrogation world, we call this we know all things that we know. We divulge enough information so that makes you feel like, well, they already know anyway, so I'll share this with them. It works wonderfully. Often we'll have a picture that looks like you a little bit. We'll say, Chase, is this you? And the bait question is a derivative of this. Honestly, it's like, is this you? This looks like you've this was in the same place. And if he needed to be a doctor, it would be a witch doctor. I don't see it. What you got, Chase? >> Yeah, I I agree with y'all. These are uh some of the easiest easiest wins in cold reading and mentalism. This is the beginner ground level of mentalism, not even advanced. This is very beginner uh mentalism here. Uh again, I'm not saying that that these abilities aren't real. Like we've got stuff like the telepathy tapes and all that now which is mindblowing to me. Uh this uh I don't it doesn't look special in any way. Every human being has minor health concerns. I think warning someone to see a doctor is safe and impressive or sounds sounds kind of impressive. He looks like a good guy. He looks like he has a ton of empathy. He cares about other people. Um, and he probably uses the empathy in a lot of this. And I've seen some uh mediums that I, in my estimation, I think that they think they have a skill. I think they believe that they are doing something special. I don't think he does. Um, I don't think he does. So, go to a doctor and get that check before it ever becomes an issue. This is called an uncertainty modifier in mentalism. I had to look it up. Um, so when he's saying stuff like along those lines, that's keeping it vague. Uh, and then the before it becomes an issue, it gives him credit no matter what no matter what happens here. So, this is just performance engineering and the the entire video is just unbelievably performative here. Uh, so every one of these hedges I'm sort of getting it's kind of like is there a way that all of these like hedging words uh it's it's sounding specific and more importantly to her it sounds caring which is what starts to build this uh build this relationship. And this is every tech everything that we've seen so far is in the encyclopedia of mentalism. every single step. So, we'll see what the next video has in there, Scott. >> Yeah. And it's also in this book called Cold Reading 23 Secrets. There's a b There's a bunch of books you can get as an interrogator. I >> You know that secret? >> Hold on. >> Yeah. How big a secret is it? I started reading those years ago because it fascinated me how people could get away with this. Right. >> So, this is the the example I'm that I was talking about the shotgun thing. He just blasts out on the wall all these little dots everywhere. eyesight. He's telling a 60-year-old woman, he doesn't say that you've got a problem. Now, he says, "Be sure just to pay attention if your eyesight gets strange or whatever what he was saying about it." And she's like, "That's wow. That, you know, I can't believe he knew that." And he's like, "Yep." Everything he says, "Yep." Right after that, just confirming everything, right? And him telling her that is like me telling Greg, "Hey, look, who has a huge horse farm, right?" It's like saying, "Greg, now [gasps] steal Mark's bit. Spirit tells me to be careful when you're walking around on the farm because you might step step in horseshit. I don't know why I'm thinking that. Right. Is there horseshit out there? >> There is. >> Yeah. But but you also know that a horse guy would say, "So what? I do it every day." >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> And you can giggle. Yep. >> You know. Anyway, so when she says, "That's so interesting." He says, "Yeah." Like he like he meant that he knew that was a problem. So he leans into that thing. And then you see him that that real quick nodding and that thing. We're going to see that a lot. The eyebrows go up. He's like, "Yeah, like that acceptance like Greg saying, request for approval." Yeah. That thing. So everything you say that's positive that comes back to him again. It's just like, "Yeah, you got it. That's exactly what I'm talking about." Yeah. So that God, this starting to bug, like I said, I've seen better than this in the first two minutes of of Spidey's show. Unbelievable. What are you gonna say, >> Chase? You know, you you brought up something, specificity, and that's the most dangerous thing you can do in this spot. Get really specific. Mark, back to yours. I'll give you one. When someone very close to me died, I was at a place speaking and they said, "Hey, why don't you go over and talk to the card reader who's in New Orleans, I go over to sit down at this card reader, she flips over her card and say, "I see your family is healthy." Stupid. Don't be that specific. If you're trying to read the room and you're trying to elicit information, you would have said, "I see a card that has that is related to your family's health." Would have been a very different outcome. If you get too specific, you painted yourself in a corner. And then nobody else wanted to talk to her. So that's the way it goes. >> And this guy is the reason I think he could do human collection interrogation is because he is adept enough not to show a lot of stress signs to know like we always say the ducks paddling below the water. You don't see a lot of stress signs in them. >> No. No, because what he's doing is very simple. >> Beautiful act. If it's an act, >> well, you know, you know why? You can marketkedly reduce all stress and anxiety by something that psychologists call role adoption. >> Yep. >> So, he's like assuming a role which comes with a lot of permission to do certain things and like adopt that role. Well, on top of that, on top of that, Chase, he's also got potentially something which is meditative, which is doing this movement here, which may also be masking all the information he has written down on the pad so he can remember exactly what uh >> But he wasn't doing that before he told her about her eyes. He wasn't doing anything. He said, "Before we start, just let me remind you that." >> Oh, yeah. So, he'll get to that. He'll get That's a You're right. That's a complete Barnum statement. >> Yeah. The other mentalism trick that's absolutely mentalism is and there's no way I could know this. I want to say things I there's no way I could know. No psychic. Of course you don't know because you're not psychic. >> Right. So I'm going to say stuff that that there's no way I could know. That's that's a given. And you don't need to say it unless there's a performance happening. Right. Well, and creating that atmosphere is important. You guys ever been to a comedy club where you're like, "This guy's not funny." But people are laughing like hell all around you because the environment is set up so they feel like it's funny or they're supposed to laugh. >> I think part of their magic is doing that creating this environment. Mark, back to your being reading with the little candles and the flowers and all that. Your set the setup also get a star there. Pay a star. I mean, we got to understand that the subject here is being paid, not paying. Well, both both will bias you. Whether you're being paid or you're or you're paying, both will bias you, but the in these shows, the majority of money in the production goes to uh the the star that they have in the show. So, if it's let's just imagine it's half a million an episode. The majority of that half a million, the most expensive thing is that star in the in the show. >> What's brilliant entertainment and nothing else. >> Brilliant. Brilliant. It is brilliant. talking speaking of things that you wouldn't that you that you can't possibly know. Let's go there. All right. Because at Spidey show about a third of the way through me and my brother watching the shows was in Las Vegas, right? And there was a girl that was in front of me and Mitch because he got us good seats were right up front. We're like on the third row because that was the best row. And the girl in front of us, she was just sitting there. She never clapped. She never did anything. And in the middle of it, Spotty goes, "You don't seem very enthusiastic about what's going on." And she said, "I'm not." He said, "Is this doesn't seem real to you?" And she said, "No." He said, "So, you don't believe I could do any of this?" And she said, "No." He said, "Do you believe I could tell you who you texted last?" And she said, "I don't think you could do that." And he said, "The last person?" And so, he said, "Think about the last person." Did the whole, you know, think about the last person you texted. Think of their think in their in your mind. Scream their name and all this stuff. Then he says, and I don't remember the woman's name. I'll say Glattus. said, "You texted your aunt Glattus and asking her how her hip was. She just had hip surgery. Is that right?" And this girl about she froze. She turned to stone. I could I thought she was gonna fall over because that's what that's was her last text was to her friend. >> Afterwards, I say, "Spidey, how did you know that? What the heck?" He said, "It's a trick. It's a trick." He said, "It looks good when you do it, but I promise you it's a trick." Wouldn't tell me how to do it, but he said it was a trick. So >> there's a possibility she's got a ticket every night. She's not paying for it. [laughter] >> It's one thing I'll tell you that in a TV show, Mentalism or Magic TV show, if they say right at the start, just put it up right at the start. There are no actors used in this in this show. I guarantee it's full of actors. Call it. That's just to put you Oh, well, they said there's no actors in it. Can't be any actors in it. Bring the show. Of course there are actors in it. the British guy, the British magician, >> Aaron Brown. >> Aaron Brown. Yeah. Yeah. He had me for a while, man. >> You know, I was like, "Oh, man. This looks real." And it dawned on me at the beginning. He says, "This is not magic. This is everything I do and say from here is not nothing's true." Then he goes, "There are no actors or disclaimer. There's It's full of them." I guarantee because he's saying that it's full of them. >> By the way, Scott, spirit's coming through. Spirit's coming through to you. Can I say to you? Can I say to you your knee? Your knee. There's been a problem with your knee or you're going to have a problem. Or if not your knee, your elbow or something associated with the knee or the elbow or the shoulder. >> You saw me hit my elbow on my knee there ago. [laughter] >> That's unbelievable. >> That's That's right. That's right. Just just a war just a subtle warning. You might want to see a doctor or a nurse. >> My knee [laughter] for >> Well, there's your disclaimer so you don't go to prison. Give >> bad advice. >> That's really all I want to know is my knee forgives me. No, there's more. There's more, Scott. >> Video. In the next video, we'll discover. >> There's more. >> Now, obviously, you're a very public figure. So, for me, my goal in doing readings is to always get information that there's no way I could know. Um, so the goal in doing this is just to get specifics, and that's really what I'm going to try. So, at this point, you know, if you have any questions about your personal life, we can try to look into that. >> What about health? >> Health. >> Yeah, sure. Um, keep in mind, um, >> when it comes to your eyesight, like there's a random decrease in vision. So, if you notice any changes along those lines, like go to a doctor and get that checked before it would ever become an issue. >> No, that's so crazy though because I my vision has been really weird lately. >> Interesting. >> But really weird. >> Yeah. >> And I haven't told anybody that. Nobody knows about my eyesight. >> Yeah, >> that's really interesting. >> You should be a doctor. [laughter] I don't need to go to the doctor now. I'm good. The older I get, the more interested I am in medical. But I'm like, what? Nobody else would know, especially about the eyes. And that's what blew my mind >> truly. >> Obviously brought an object. >> Um, and often times I'll hold on to an object. Do you mind if I hold on to that? Okay. >> Um, now I don't want to know who this belongs to or anything along those lines. No worries. I will keep it down. >> I'll just go and we'll see what comes through. Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. No pressure. [laughter] Let's see. He's so cute. >> Oh, there's a lot popping in. Um, I've got you, you and you. Okay. Okay. And I have people who are like in-laws coming through, I'm thinking, but I don't know. So, do you >> There were a lot of them. >> Yes. Um, I feel like he's comes through as a grandfatherly figure. There's a reference to a William that I have to highlight. >> It makes sense. Yeah. >> Uh, my stepdad's dad. You showing me a tree? Like an oak tree? And I'm not sure why, but like if someone worked in an orchard or like >> he was a tree surgeon. >> What's that? >> He's He his job was trimming trees. He had a company and they would send people out to somebody's house and they would trim a tree. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So, I mean, that's Caitlyn's dad, William. He died um years ago. >> Oh. That's crazy for sure. All >> right, Chase, what do you got? >> Often times I'll hold on to an object uh for this part of the show, but I'm not going to today. Uh so it's a prop setup uh in my opinion. And again, not saying that psychics don't exist. Please keep that in mind. Also, keep this other thing in mind. I've never seen this show in my life. These are the only clips I've seen. And if there's some other one that's gonna blow my mind, send it to me and I'll watch it >> with an open heart. I will watch it. >> Oh my god. Send him a bunch of stuff. [laughter] >> Send it. Yeah. Send me everything. So, I'm just going to go and see what comes in. Like, no pressure. So, it kind of it kind of allows the meaning to go on to the other person. And he's like, I don't want to know who this belongs to or any anything on those lines or something like that. It's that's is another uncertainty modifier there. I don't want to know. This reinforces the I'm not hot readading anything, but he's using the object for cues or is using, you know, it's a prop for the show. Um, then this like I'm just going to go in and see what comes in. And I have people who are like in-laws come who are like in-laws, not in-laws. And then sometimes the information is like, "Oh, I have this license plate number or I have this really specific thing and I'm getting this very specific name of William, but why can't you get us something specific of in-laws instead of like in-laws?" Uh, how is something like in-laws? I would love that description. I just I I don't understand it. So, it's maximum absolute maxed out deniability. Zero risk. Almost zero risk here, I think. Uh, and there and Greg, you were talking about oak orchards and maybe you can inform us on how those work, but anytime you you you hear I feel like or I'm getting I'm getting a sense of uh that should set off every everything. So, somebody uh one of you guys said Barnum statements earlier. Uh this is from this guy named PT Barnum and he was he invented the circus I think or the modern day what the modern day circuses. >> He's got so this sucker's born every minute. >> Yeah. And Barnum statements feel personal after the sitter fills in the blanks. And in hypnosis, like when you study hypnosis, you you learn to use vague language so that the experience inside the other person's head is really specific because they're filling in everything that you don't say. And then there he says there's a reference to a William that I have to highlight or I have to call out or something like that. It's vague and suggestive. It's fishing. It's an elicitation statement. And all of these all of these almost word for word are in the encyclopedia of mentalism. And then it's like they're showing me a tree. U this is extremely vague. It just keeps all options wide open. So what options are closed? So anytime you hear somebody that's a medium, the first question I ask is are they willing to close off options? That one question. Well, not will they take risks cuz this some of the stuff looks risky, right? It looks specific. Are they willing to shut off other options? And none of them have been shut off that I've seen here. And this is another thing that's been used since the 1800s here. Uh Mark, what do you got? >> Yeah. Yeah. It is full of fantasmagoria as they called it in the 18 1800s, Victorian and the Edwwardian period. Yeah. Grandfatherly figure. A grandfatherly figure. So it doesn't have to be an actual grandfather, just something grandfatherly, which is kind of basically any old male of some kind of status. So, so that's massive fishing. And I like what you're saying there, Chase, because he's not going, okay, it's not this, it's not this, it's not this, it's not this. He's going, it's possibly anything you want it to be. And ultimately, we're going to find spirit in the gaps of this. So he's leaving as many gaps as possible so people can fill it with with spirit essentially. Um William, well that's one of the top 10 names in North America. It's even within the top five in some in some decades. So your chance your chance of somebody of her age knowing or being related to be it father, grandfather, in-laws like anybody older than her. There would be many Williams or Bills essentially going to be lots of them. Okay. And if not that, somebody who would be seen as a grandfatherly figure. So it's he's going to get a hit on this quite easily. Okay. The only way to get a bigger hit would be to use a James because that's not James or Jim because that would be the number one name in the US for a male most of it. Yeah. Across most of its history. >> Exactly. So, that's going to be a hit for sure. What I like about this is he doesn't use James because he's looking like he's doing a cold reading here. I reckon he's doing a warm reading. Like, he's already got all this data. >> It's ancestry.com. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, he's done. It's public. It's in It's in Hello Magazine from way before. Okay. So, it's we we know this this is easy information to get. It's easily published as we'll see coming through. He's just making it look even more more difficult than it is for him. He's trying to he's pretending to do a cold reading when it's a warm reading. He's got this information. And then he the tree is a great idea because there are uh 22 228 billion trees in the US. So do you think do you think human beings have had relationships with trees? Do you think they know people with relationships with trees? Because there's 228 billion trees in the US alone. So if I say to anybody, if I say Scott, Greg, Chase, like there's a tree coming to mind, you know, a relation. Yeah, >> I have one right here. A family tree. [laughter] >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I'm going to get a hit on William and trees. She fills in the gap really quickly and goes, he was a tree surgeon. It's like absolute gift. absolute gift because she she she could nail that one completely as a as a really really direct relationship. He maybe knew that or that was just super lucky. But I mean it's but but I reckon he knew that. Reckon he knew that. Um but not you know what I like most about this is it's a warm reading masquerading as a cold reading. I think he has all this information. Uh Scott, what do you got on this one? Yeah. Going back to to what everybody said so far, this he has perfected where you where she'll say something and he says like he doesn't believe it and she encourages him to believe what he just said. Does everybody picking that up or he'll say what? She goes yeah it's this and he goes yeah it's that. Then he leans into it. So it that that he's got down that they which shows us he's he's been doing this for a long time now. I would bet that I think Mark would be with me if we were to kick in this guy's door. If we were to breach this guy's house and go and see what's in his back room, it'd be those things like you see where uh in detective movies where they've got all the strings from one picture to another picture and all kinds of information, little cards on there. >> What Scott's opinion? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got all these things connected everybody. But I think he's getting this stuff from books because there there are a lot of books written about the Kardashians with a whole lot of information on them. But there there are a whole lot of books on that. Now when he he was so ready with that what when she said tree surgeon what's that? He didn't his brain didn't have enough time to sift through that and go I don't know what a brain surgeon is and then say what that happened too quickly that if you'd seen that reaction and interrogation you said you know uh we found a knife and I went what it was too quick. You know what I'm saying? There's no there's no time to think about it and say what's a tree surgeon and go wait what what's a tree surgeon? You wouldn't be shocked at the that and he's heard tree surgeons before. Everybody has, I'm assuming, you know, if you've been outside walking around or watched TV at all or read at all. So, I'm sound like a real But this guy gets on last night. Um, what else? Also, she understands what good TV is. She She's part of one the one of the most famous shows ever on TV. So, she knows how to do this. She knows how to lean into it and make it go smoothly. And they know that. That's probably why it's so expensive to get her. And I bet you're right, Mark. I bet she got almost everything for this episode moneywise. So whenever he says, "Yeah, it's unbelievable." She goes, "Yeah, and she tries to get him to believe it." She's leaning into it because she understands good TV. So Greg, what do you got? >> Let's start just right out of the box. Forget all that for just a minute. He's wrong. He's wrong. He took the book. He called out somebody she knows and it wasn't his book or she would have said, "Hey, yes, that's him. How did you know?" He just skipped the qu This is like interrogation 101. Answer the damn question. He didn't. He just moved on and he tried to guess. He did a really nice job of boxing this guess. If I'm going to talk to you and say it's your family, that gives me one session. If I say it's your in-laws, you've been married twice. I got twice as many people to choose from. And I also have your children's families. There's a boatload of people you'll get a name right, but she and he did get a name right. I don't think it's cold reading either. I think he read somewhere along the way who who was who and he was guessing. That was his first guess. But there's so much fan dancing around it and he looks like a burlesque dancer hiding everything he's doing and no specificity at all and doesn't say it's his book. He's fishing. He doesn't get it. But let's what look at what he did. He broadened the field. Still gets it wrong. So what he does after he throws out something that's not the right answer is he reinforces what he got right. He knew he was a tree surgeon. I'm almost positive of it. The scratching on the pad is creating eccentricity. That's part of it. >> And then when it he look at when he the face she makes when he says something about in-laws. She's like I got a bunch of them. So she knows that's headed somewhere. Let me give you a good guessing story. One time there was a guy at Seir and he was coming in and my boss came over and said this guy's falling out of roll. and which means he's not playing the game and you'll get thrown out over that. And I went over and talked to the guy and I said, "I don't want to do all the accent and all that goofy stuff that you're accustomed to, Chase." But I looked at the guy and I said, "You have two children, don't you?" And he said, "Yes, sir." And that was a guess. He's 28, 30. And I said, "Both sons." Another guess. "Yes, sir." Now he thinks I know everything about him because I've guessed right twice. And I used it because he was afraid to go any further. And I said, "If you walk away now, you can never look your children in the face and tell them don't be afraid of the dark." and it made him go right back and roll and go in the room. But the important part was I guessed right twice. Guess what? If I didn't get it right, he wouldn't remember that. But they are certain when you hear something. And you can see this guy's body language when he's talking about this William guy. Then he goes, there's no surprise at what's that. To your point, Chase is Scott. It's way too quick. It's out of his mouth before she finishes talking. He's built a box where he was going to eliminate a guy and he's smart enough to know I don't admit failure. I just keep dancing and keep moving. It's brilliant. It is brilliant use of this. This is why I said he would be a great interrogator because his little feet are paddling like hell, but he's still gliding along with that whole act that he's got on on the surface. I think he's a brilliant reader of people and knowing what to say and not being too specific. And one of the hardest things to teach an interrogator is we know all because they go too far. And I always say one sentence can take you from we know all to we don't know when you say something is not true. If he had said this book belonged to William, knowing who William was, he would have been wrong. But he's smart enough to stay away from it. Really, really cool. >> Fun to watch, actually. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Mark, did you have any more spirit reading for Scott? >> No. No, because uh I'm not feeling strong right now. I'm not feeling strong. >> Makes sense. >> Okay. I'm not feeling strong. So, so um spirit won't come if I'm not feeling strong. >> Makes sense. Will you rest up and we'll catch you in the next >> I will do. I will [laughter] do but not not now. I'm not feeling strong. >> Light [clears throat] some candles. Light some candles. They always work. >> Obviously brought an object. I see. Um and often times I'll hold on to an object. Do you mind if I hold on to that? Okay. >> Um now I don't want to know who this belongs to or anything along those lines. No worries. I will keep it down. >> I'll just go and we'll see what comes in. >> Okay. >> All right. No pressure. [laughter] Let's see. He's so cute. Oh, there's a lot popping in. Um, I've got you, you and you. Okay. Okay. And I have people who are like in-laws coming through, I'm thinking, but I don't know. So, do you >> There were a lot of them. >> Yes. Um, I feel like he's comes through as a grandfatherly figure. There's a reference to a William that I have to highlight. >> It makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Uh, my stepdad's dad. >> You're showing me a tree. like an oak tree. And I'm not sure why, but like if someone worked in an orchard or like >> he was a tree surgeon. >> What's that? >> He's [laughter] he his his job was trimming trees. He had a company and they would send people out to somebody's house and they would trim a tree. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So, I mean, that's Caitlyn's dad, William. He died um years ago. >> Oh, >> that's crazy. For sure. Interesting about this is that William is with a son that's deceased that would have passed away in a car accident. Do you know this? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I do. >> The way that this comes across and there's a feeling that comes through with this. Like I'm sorry >> about what the car represented. It's not It's not the car. It's what it represented. >> Makes sense. >> It's what the car represented. I don't know what that means, but he's apologizing not only for the event, but for what it represented and how it would have affected >> his brother. I'm thinking >> Caitlyn's brother Bert died decades ago. When Caitlyn was Bruce Jenner and competed in the Olympic Games, somebody had loaned Bruce a brand new um Porsche sports car and Bert took it for a spin and he accidentally went off the side of the road or did something and and was killed in the car accident. >> Oh wow. >> So it was really really sad. >> And he was so young >> and really looked up to his, you know, big brother. But that's how that all >> makes such s like perfect sense. It's so crazy. >> He didn't want Bruce at the time to feel the guilt, you know? >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Ultimately, they're okay. And most importantly, they're together. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> Well, I will tell Caitlyn. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> I will. That's so I'm sure she'll be very excited to hear that. >> Okay, Greg, what do you got? So one really good thing in interrogation in this and any place else once you're wrong you need to ensure that the person forgets that you got to move rapidly and he does a brilliant move he takes it to tragic and emotional which is beautiful because now that touches a person and it gets them out of their thinking brain emotions are my favorite thing to work in. I usually say when I'm arguing with somebody about something they say I feel I'll say we'll stop right there because I'm really good at feelings and you won't enjoy it. And so what you're after is working the person to get to a place where they feel. So, the frontal lobe starts turning off and they stop being rational. And we see that you hear her voice change tones, boom, boom, boom, to something emotional. I think she's smart. I think she knows what's going on, but she does go to some emotion like any of us would talking about an in-law, whether that in-law is, you know, somebody you're still married to or something. You still have feelings for those people. Uh, you can hear her voice going to that. And then he does a great elicitation redirect is what he's doing. Now, what's interesting, anybody could read that. Anybody on earth could read that and it would be it's out there. I went to look what about what happened to Jenner's brother and it it's clear and easy to find. So I I I love it. It's good redirect. Anytime you make a mistake, cover up your tracks. Scott, what do you got? >> When he says it's what the car represented, it's what the car represented and she's she's like makes sense. And he throws on him, yeah, I'm right. He throws on that I'm right face again and does all that with that finality that he you know that nailed it with that kind of thing. So like >> he's pathetic. He's empathetic. >> Greg [laughter] Alexa, did Bruce Jenner have a brother? >> From musicmatch.com Jenner's younger brother, Bert, was killed in a car accident in Canton, Connecticut on November 30th, 1976, shortly after Jenner's success at >> No, I'm not saying he's said anything. I said he's >> I said he's empathetic. >> Oh, I I believe you. I'm just showing you you can find that stuff out on your Alexa. You can find >> I already read it. I already read it this morning. That's what I said. I read it this morning. >> And I was helping to make your thing. >> I guess you missed what I was doing. >> I guess I >> Mark, what do you got? >> Uh yeah, you know, it's in Hello Magazine, uh which was which was issued way before this this interview. So, and that's why he says that's why he suddenly gets very specific here. So he has moved it really great from a gen from generalization to something really specific which is in which is easy to get hold of this information around and and now we're into the real show because this show is about the spirit of regret and blame and fault and forgiveness and responsibility. And so we get the star the star of the show in this particular situation which is the the the the celebrity the mark essentially uh delivering on that sense of blame responsibility and and then finally to forgiveness which is which is the arc of this of each moment of this show to fulfill its arc. You are they forgive you. It wasn't your fault. It's and and we get that cathartic moment then. So, it's it's it's beautifully led there. Um, but he knows he knows this story. I I know this because he's not listening. He's not listening to the story. This isn't the first time he's heard about the car accident because nothing is in is in is synchronized with her story. Could be bad editing, but I don't think it is. and just there's there you don't see any recognition in his face of new information coming to him and him being surprised at how accurate he is around this. So there's there's nothing going on that would go on in the real world of I made a prediction. I didn't know whether it was accurate. You're now telling me the story. I now realize how accurate I was. What a strange and wonderful world we live in. How how extraordinary is that? It's a sense of well, of course. Well, of course, of course, of course I'm right. No, not of course you you're right. You would be any human being would be utterly surprised by such a a a great thing happening and also be so much more concentrated on the person's moment of kathis rather want rather than wanting to move on move on move on like get on to the next bit get on to the next bit so uh yeah not convinced by this at all Chase what do you got on this one >> yeah when he says this like uh it's not the car it's it's what it represented said, "Scott, you're right. This is um I think this is called flexible interpretation or other people might call it backpedaling." [laughter] Um this is one of the most blatant examples I think that we've seen so far. When something's vague or wrong, he just uh he doesn't change the subject. He reframes uh what it means. And this is that's a reframe. So, this is all of this stuff happening at the same time, but he's rewriting all of this on the fly. And mentalists have a word for what he's doing. It's uh or words. It's called having multiple outs. Uh but then he's saying, I don't know what it means, but he's apologizing for the event, but what it represented. Uh but then he says, "I'm thinking," this is an uncertainty phrase here. It keeps him from being uh or getting pinned down. Well, it sounds emotionally insightful, but there's no committing. There's no like I heard these words. If this person is speak, if I'm communicating with them, they'll just tell me what's going on. I don't need to be vague and weird uh and about everything. So every escape hatch that it's kind of all these words are escape hatches. They're preserving this illusion when man I had something that was kind of profound. I was going to say here now I sound stupid. >> No dude, [laughter] think about it for a minute. Think about it. You'll get it. What is it? It's all of these preserve the illusion when reality is just not cooperating. And that's kind of what happened here. It's like, oh, something that's real isn't cooperating with the act itself. That's all I got there. [clears throat] >> I stepped on something you were going to say by saying at least he's showing empathy. What? Where? >> Oh, no. I mean, no, I was just going to I was going to show that I had a couple other things, but everybody covered it. So, just be going back over it again. It just I I can't stand this, you know. We got somebody to talk about. Uh, remember every week we wanted to talk about somebody who was missing. >> Oh yeah, go ahead. >> This week we're talking about Renzo Bullhead who went missing on March 16th, 2025 and was seen walking eastbound from Manden uh North Dakota towards Bismar, North Dakota by the railroad bridge. He's described as having black hair, brown eyes, wearing black and gray plaid pajama pants, a black sweatshirt, and a puffer jacket. the Mandon Police Department and the Bureau of Indian Affairs Office of Justice Services Missing and Mur Murdered Unit are seeking information and you can reach them at 18335602065 or the link in our description. Let us help find this guy. >> Good stuff. Important stuff. >> Scott. Scott, I'm feeling strong again. I'm feeling strong. There's a l There's a lady. There's a woman. >> There's a woman. And I would say, can I say strong woman? Can I Does that mean can I say a strong woman? I'm going to say a strong woman to you >> and she's behind you to your left. You knew her or somebody knew her >> that that you knew or have a relationship, but I'm sure this makes sense to you. And she says she says she's fine and she knows you tried your best. [laughter] And >> ask her ask her where the money is. >> Yeah. Well, okay. So something something else is coming through to me. Something else is coming through to me. There's a lot of there's a lot of voices. Something else is coming through. There's a there's a a metal object. There's a metal object that you keep in a box. It's dusty and it has it has it it has a let's say it has a resonance to it. It means something to you or somebody you know. Yeah. You understanding what I'm talking about? It's because here's a This is a box basically and this is a pen my dad gave me. >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> Wow. >> And that freaks it blows my mind. >> Exactly. That's exactly it. >> My dad's pin. >> That's exactly it. I'm strong again. I'm feeling strong again. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Can I get some lottery numbers while you're at it? >> Interesting about this is that William is with a son that's deceased >> that would have passed away in a car accident. Do you know this? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I do. the way that this comes across and there's a feeling that comes through with this. It's like I'm sorry about what what the car represented. It's not a it's not the car. It's what it represented. >> Makes sense. >> It's what the car represented. I don't know what that means, but he's apologizing not only for the event, but for what it represented and how it would have affected >> his brother. I'm thinking >> Caitlyn's brother Bert died decades ago. When Caitlyn was Bruce Jenner and competed in the Olympic Games, somebody had loaned Bruce a brand new um Porsche sports car and Bert took it for a spin and he accidentally went off the side of the road or did something and and was killed in the car accident. >> Oh wow. >> So it was really really sad. Oh, >> and he was so young. >> Yeah. >> And really looked up to his, you know, big brother. But that's how that all >> makes such s like perfect sense. It's so crazy. >> He didn't want Bruce at the time to feel the guilt, you know. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Ultimately, they're okay. And most importantly, they're together. >> Yeah. >> Well, I will tell Caitlyn. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> I [snorts] will. That's so I'm sure she'll be very excited to hear that. We're going to talk about Robert Kardashian. I do have a man that's fitting this kind of bill of passing away before his time, but he references to an illness. He makes a very close connection on the other side with his mother. He's like, "I'm with mom. You would know I'm with mom." Like, there's this connection and it's like this. >> There's a joke about uh two things, funny enough. >> He's having me say monkey and either joke about someone's nickname being monkey or monkey or a monkey. Like >> he had a monkey, a a stuffed monkey when he was a kid named Zako. >> Wow. And so Chloe has the monkey. >> Oh, nice. Yeah. >> On that makes sense. If she's in the room, that could be why. >> Yeah, >> that's awesome. That's so sweet. >> Yeah. >> And then really quickly, just on a last note, there's a joke about I'm I'm seeing a window and it's a decision about something window related. >> Okay, >> that is crazy. >> I don't think anybody knows that. >> That's so weird. >> We're going to replace those windows right there. >> Was this a conversation that would have just been had recently? >> Probably a couple days ago. >> Okay. >> Oh [clears throat] my goodness. That's strange. >> I know. See, you never know who's watching over you. >> You never do. Or watching your windows. >> Listening to listening to your window conversations. >> If only they would wash them. >> Yeah, I [laughter] know. >> Be much more convenient. >> Can you pass that message back? >> I am. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Grab the Windex. [laughter] >> All right. I'm going to go first on this one. Now, about this monkey. There was a book called Kardashian Dynasty that came out in April of 2016. Now, it talks about this stuffed monkey and his name is Jaco. I think she said Zakaco or something like that. Yeah. Now Tyler's reading Chris with Chris Jenner happened in August 2016. So this book was out before that. That's where he got that information from. So again coming on like I'm seen a monkey. Well dude, you just read about this monkey. Not that not that big a deal. So he simply creates a question in a situation for a specific in real time and lets her jump on it because she's she knows what it is and he knows she knows what it is. So that and then he does this whole bit of the you know the the yes face and they accepting it's all I I'm trying not to be mean. So uh Chase, what do you got? >> Yeah, I'm trying not to be mean. I don't want to be mean. Um he says, "I have this figure and it's fitting this kind of bill. Like it extremely broad, hard to disprove, uh super vague, and these are a lot of high probability statements, uh that typically get sprayed out until something clicks." And that's what we're seeing here. Uh and this monkey thing, I didn't look it up. I'm I'm surprised, but I would bet that any person at her age. You could say there's a I could see a monkey every that that would lead to anything. Oh yeah, my grandfather took me on a trip to the zoo. Oh yeah, we watched Curious George. Oh yeah, I had a stuffed monkey when I was a kid. Oh yeah, I had one of those monkeys that hit the symbol things together. That that'll hit for anybody. >> Uh even I mean it's vague enough to hit, but he probably got this and and and knew it. No doubt. Uh it's all just emotional framing. It's performative. Um he's having me say monkey, which I just thought was So the the end product for a lot of these people is hope. So let's let's go into this really quick. If I'm selling hope, where's the deception indicators? They're almost gone because the stakes are zero. I I genuinely feel my role here is to deliver something that makes people feel good, enhances their life in some way. Um, and that's where a lot of this stuff, the the morality that that people feel behind a lot of this deletes a lot of the things where you might see all these behaviors of stress and and this other stuff that we tend to talk about almost every single show that we do. Um, and then he says there's a a joke about seeing a window. >> Yeah. >> Uh, and it's a joke about something window related. >> Tell us the joke. >> What's the What's the joke? >> I know what the joke is. He was going for this story that was also in a book about a bird that kept hitting their window. And he talks to Who's that? Who's the girl? The second one? The daughter. That's Chloe. >> Okay. Whoever the daughter is. the daughters. >> Yeah. Whoever that is, she ends up telling him that story. So, but it's after this after this interview. It's like I don't know how long how much later years or days or whatever, but he knows about that the bird hitting the window story. That's what he was going for for the window because he says it's a joke and they all thought it was funny. This bird, this woodpecker kept flying into the window. I don't think it's funny. Bad for the bird. But apparently they all thought it was funny and that's what he's going for. And it didn't make sense until I saw that episode. Then I started looking that up, you know, because you can use, like I said before, one of these to get a whole lot of information on a lot of people. As simple as that is. So anyway, sorry to interrupt you, but that's what that's about. Yeah, that's all I got. Greg, what do you got? >> Yeah. So, if there's a word more ubiquitous in a 60-year-old woman's life, window. Window is the most ubiquitous word there is. Now, I'm not going to be a psychic, but I'm just going to Chase. Somebody from your past is talk coming to me, and there's something about a shoe. Yes, [laughter] everybody's got them. Everybody's learned to tie. Maybe it's your is your Did Did your mother get your first pair of cowboy boots? You know, you go wherever you you could be vague as you want, but a word that is ubiquitous in the world. Windows, shoes, toothbrush, even something everybody interacts with every day of their life. It's easy to find a a correlation. Oh yeah, I broke my grandmother's window when I was eight. It must be my grandmother. They're going to find a solution for you, which is what I think is beautiful. The monkey would have been if the monkey were not published and there was no way to find it out. That would have been brilliant. That would have been a great one, but it was published. I'm pretty sure he just knew that. But just if you're going to, you know what I would have said? Hey, since you're talking to him and he can see stuff that I can't ask him which whether contractor one or contractor 2 is an because I don't want to use him. That's the kind of stuff I would put him on the spot for. Well, and then they would say, well, I'm feel not feeling the energy me and move away from me. Mark, what do you got? >> Yeah. Look, if there's any brilliance here, it's that from my point of view, he's doing the work of cold reading, which is spewing out possibilities like like, you know, William, uh, you know, number number five name in the US, monkey or a primate. I mean, you know, name an animal. Trees. Everybody's got a relationship with an animal or trees. Um, everybody's got relationships with windows. Okay, so they're brilliant. you you should be able to get a hit. So, he's spewing that out and he doesn't even need to because he knows the joke. He knows about the monkey. He read it in the book. It's a it's a setup. I think partly, you know, if we're if we enjoy this show, we suspend our disbelief about it. It's a piece of theater because what we've come to watch is the cathosis of the star, the star crying and an excuse for that drama. And what what's brilliant about this show? They they've gone, look, here's a way, here's a good excuse for a star to cry is they're talking, they're getting messages from their dead relative who they loved. It's like, yeah, that's brilliant. Well, how will we set that up? Well, we got this guy and he'll pretend that he's speaking to them and everybody will join. Everybody gets paid. Everybody joins in and you have a great show where once a week a star goes, "Oh, like you you get this beautiful feeling there of forgiveness." You know, there nothing there is nothing wrong with that. Let me just say there's nothing wrong with that. Um, it's it's just my my guess is we we may be being led to believe that this guy is actually talking to dead people. And I'm and I really don't think that's accurate. I'm really [laughter] I'm with you, Chase. I'm not saying it's not possible. Yeah. I'm not I don't have the proof to say it is possible or it isn't possible. I have the proof enough proof for me to go. I don't think it's happening right now in this clip. >> Okay, >> we're back [clears throat] to Mark. We're back to Bob Lazar. I I'm not saying there's no UFOs. I'm saying I don't think he's a UFO mechanic. That's, you know, >> Right. >> Same thing. >> Right. Right. So, I don't think it's happening in this in this clip at all. But what's brilliant about it is he's making us partly think he's doing a cold reading when he's doing a warm reading. And that I think kind of is a a lovely bit of misdirection. Uh Scott, have you been yet? What's what's your what's your >> Hang on a second. Alexa, what is Chris Jenner's mother's name? >> Chris Jenner's mother is Mary H. Hot. Hotton. >> Mary. >> The the the the most popular name in the US uh for females. Mary. >> I believe it. I believe >> at that age, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. it. This this is too >> There's the college now. William and Mary College. [laughter] >> Wikipedia. >> Wikipedia has her mom and dad's name. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> So, do we want to skip over six? [laughter] >> No, we got to do >> Okay, >> we're going to talk about Robert Kardashian. I do have a man that's fitting this kind of bill of passing away before his time, but he references to an illness. He makes a very close connection on the other side with his mother. He's like, "I'm with mom. You would know I'm with mom." Like there's this connection and it's like this. >> There's a joke about uh two things. Funny enough, he's having me say monkey and either joke about someone's nickname being monkey or monkey or a monkey like >> he had a monkey, a a stuffed monkey when he was a kid named Zacho. >> Wow. >> And so Chloe has the monkey. >> Oh, nice. >> Yeah. >> On that makes sense. If she's in the room, that could be why. >> Yeah. >> That's awesome. That's so sweet. >> Yeah. And then really quickly, just on a last note, there's a joke about I'm I'm seeing a window and it's a decision about something window related. Okay, >> that is crazy. >> I don't think anybody knows that. >> That's so weird. >> We're going to replace those windows right there. >> Was this a conversation that would have just been had recently? >> Probably a couple days ago. >> Okay. >> Oh my goodness. >> That's strange. >> They know. See, you never know who's watching over you. >> You never do. Or watching your windows. >> Listening to listening to your window conversations. >> If only they would wash them. Yeah, I know. >> That' be much more convenient. >> Can you pass that message back? >> I am. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Grab the Windex. [laughter] >> The father figure that I'm connecting with is making it a point to acknowledge that. >> Do you know of anyone like it was like Mary Joe or Mary something or like it's it's kind of confusing. I don't know if it's two names or what, but the example that's coming through is like Mary Joe, Maryanne. >> Well, Mary Joe's my mom, but she's not deceased. >> Okay, no problem. is making it a point to acknowledge that he feels like he's apologetic towards Mary Joe being your mother. >> Yeah. My parents were divorced when I was really young, right? And then when, you know, he had moved to a different state for a while and we really didn't see him that much. And then we reconnected when I was a teenager, like 15, 16, and he was killed in a car accident. >> And my mom got married later in life, and we were really close to my stepdad, Harry. They both felt like my dad, but the whole thing makes sense. >> Yeah. and he's acknowledging a feeling of um a sense of closure with that situation and he still watches over you and still comes through for you regardless of of how >> relationships and situations go. He still has that connection. >> My real dad passed away years ago. But it was just really great to hear that he was watching over us and it's just really peaceful. >> Okay, Mark, what do you got? Uh yeah, look, this is the the the Barnum incident essentially of of somebody in a relationship with you feels like it could have been better. They could have done better. You know, they're slightly apologetic. They're like I'm I I would say like I could have done better with with every relationship I've ever had with anybody ever on the planet. I could have done better. So, and I and you know, I'm probably going to think of of other people. Everybody else could have done better as well. Just things could have been and that's just that's just for me that's just uh human nature. I I expect I'm pretty accurate about that feeling very much the same for most other humans out there. They feel they could have done better and others could have done a little little [clears throat] everybody could have done better. So that there's a sense of often regret around relationships and a little bit of sorrow around them is absolutely going to be true. And so if there's somebody deceased, you're going to be able to say, "Hey, you know, there's a little bit of, you know, things weren't quite fulfilled and and that everybody's going to go, yes." Unless they're kind of utterly utterly outright, you know, egregiously narcissist when they're going to go, "No, it was their fault and they were all to blame and I'm brilliant and they're idiots. Idiots. Idiots." I mean, that would be great. That would be a great thing. >> That would be a great episode. That would >> be a great episode. I wonder whether that one of those exists where he does a a cold reading for a or a or a reading for for an outright narcissist who's like >> too bad too bad Durst is gone. He would be [laughter] >> Yes, D would have been brilliant for it. Anyway, there's my view uh on on that one. Scott, what do you got on this one? >> That whole time you're talking, Chase has some kind of rope or something in his hand. It looks like [clears throat] while you're talking, the look on his face, it looks like he's thinking about >> going to going to throttle me with a USB cord. >> It looked like a ro looks like he was thinking about >> cause of death. USB >> to death. >> Then then we'll have But we we will have to go get hint Tyler to talk to Mark for us. See what happener. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. All right. We're going back from the from our first video. Like I said, I'm a Christian and when I die, I go to heaven. I don't want to come back down here and keep an eye on anybody. I'm Do you think my parents or my aunts and uncles are going to be okay with with God going, "Hey, listen. Here you are in paradise. It's what you've always looked forward to. You prayed about it all the time. We're very tight. So, I want you to do is go back down to earth and keep an eye on that little nephew of yours and see what he's up to. Just keeping just hang around with him. Keep an eye on Don't do anything obviously because you can't, but just go down there and hang around a while. That that right there tells me everything I need to know about what this what about that whole situation there because that's not going to happen. God's not going to send you back down to earth to like hang around and and you know keep an eye on things. He's got that covered. I think pretty much that's that's what he does. You know what I mean? So no. And and to keep from again from being I've got some really graphic and good stuff lined up, but I'm going to move past that. I want to be man enough and mature enough to move past that. >> Spirit's telling you that >> they're trying to shut up. >> So, Scott, just point of point of order on this though. Uh um everybody goes to limbo first until the day of judgment where they decided whether they go to So, so Catholics. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. >> Baptist, we don't have >> read all the books. Read all the books. Baptists, >> read all the books. No, I I read them all. I'm very familiar with a lot of them. We can talk in depth about most anything in there. >> So, because there and I only say this because there will be people down there going, "Hang on, hang on. He's he's talking to everybody in limbo." >> Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't We don't have limbo in there. Yeah. You're either going or you're not. >> Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. You're either in or you're not, man. There's no >> If you're You bypass Limbo. which wants to fuss with me about it in the in the comments. If you fell to let me go in, let me go back. >> Stay out of there. So, Mark, one of the things I love is something you just said. First of all, this is all a matter of Wikipedia. You can go into Wikipedia. I'm talking about her family. It's it's that easy. I mean, come on. But what you said ties back to what I started this whole conversation with. They're doing a combination of cold and hot readings. And they're pretending like the hot reading is a cold reading. Welcome to intelligence. That's exactly what we do in interrogation or elicitation, which is not a dime's worth of difference between if you're good. I had a great conversation with John Nolan one time. We're talking about I introduced my wife to him and said, "This is the most dangerous man you'll ever meet in my opinion because he is a hard-nosed interrogator when he needs to be and one of the best elicitation people on the planet, period." And so when you put those two together, those two are powerful tools because what you no longer see them as is tools that are individual. You're looking at the drivers and what causes them to work. And what you do is you have some data, some knowledge. We do planning and preparation. I'll spend twice as much time in preparation as I do in interrogation. I'm going in, I find out as much as I can about the person, about how they were captured, about all those pieces. I find out every piece of data I can find out about them and build up a 360 of who they are. And then I cold, there's my hot reading. My cold reading is I start fishing and I use pus and tools like flattery or criticism or quidd proquo or the from the interrogator world of we know all. And what those mean is if I start to pick on you and say there's got to be somebody in your life that you really feel bad about how you treated them and I think they're standing right here. It's the same exact thing because now their feelings are going to come up. That's a criticism. Flattery is oh my god somebody's right here and they love you and they can't say it enough. I can't even express how this feels. That's the equivalent of a the person coming and doing a flattery. So all those pieces of your mother your mother says that that thing you did when you were about nine, she wish you would get over it. Those kinds of things are all playing on the exact same drives these guys are doing. So there's the hot reading of what I know and I'm going to allude to it and do we know all and let you feel it out and feedback. And then there's the cold reading. All the while remember we got this funnel, this hourglass. We're going to come down from the top broad rapport. to make sure we know each other so that when I get in a bind, I can flash back out and go back into that rapport building and hide my tracks about what I was covering. This is a brilliant intelligence gathering exercise. Brilliant. I love it. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, just give uh just a few words for this one. Um because y'all covered a lot. It's safe, comforting, and hard to disprove. That's all you need to know. Is it if if you're hearing something from someone, is it safe, comforting, and hard to disprove? Then you're then you can kind of see what you're looking at. That's all I got. >> Mhm. Hey. Hey, Greg, add add to that um that analogy to intelligence and put in that both people in the interrogation are being paid to be there. >> Oh, yeah. That makes [laughter] >> Wow. Well, you know, Mark, I I always paid my my prisoners. If they wanted an ice cream or something extra, I'd give them a little something extra. >> Totally. [laughter] cookies. >> That's what you were known for. >> Yeah, totally. >> The father figure that I'm connecting with is making it a point to acknowledge that do you know of anyone like that was like Mary Joe or Mary something or like it's it's kind of confusing. I don't know if it's two names or what, but the example that's coming through is like Mary Joe, Maryanne. >> Well, Mary Joe's my mom, but she's not deceased. >> Okay, no problem. is making it a point to acknowledge that he feels like he's apologetic towards Mary Joe being your mother. >> Yeah. My parents were divorced when I was really young, right? And then when, you know, he had moved to a different state for a while and we really didn't see him that much. And then we reconnected when I was a teenager, like 15, 16, and he was killed in a car accident. And my mom got married later in life, and we were really close to my stepdad, Harry. They both felt like my dad, but the whole thing makes sense. >> Yeah. and he's acknowledging a feeling of um a sense of closure with that situation and he still watches over you and still comes through for you regardless of of how >> relationships and situations go. He still has that connection. >> My real dad passed away years ago. But it was just really great to hear that he was watching over us and it's just really peaceful. >> All right. Well, we've seen a lot of these videos so far and Mark, how are things looking to you? Yeah. Look, again, I'll reiterate. Do I think people can talk to the dead? I don't know. I don't know. It's possible. Do I think it's probable? It doesn't seem probable to me, but it but it's certainly possible. Do I think this person is talking to dead people? I think based on what I've seen here, and Chase, you're right. Like, if people have got better videos and like, no, watch this one. Like, this one is fantastic. Yeah, put the link. Maybe not him. Maybe somebody else. Maybe there's somebody else there who you go look yeah this guy not at all but there's this person and and it's happening we would love to look at that we would love to look at that because we will look at it as we try and look at everything from a point of view of going okay what do we see in this I don't see anybody talking to dead people uh at all but I do see a great show I can see why people love the show and I can see why he's successful and he should be successful successful. I would have rather that there were some kind of disclaimer on the show that's overt that says, "Hey, you know what? We're making this up. It's a bit of fun. We're having a bit of fun, but enjoy it because I'm, you know, it does concern me somewhat." But then if you started doing that, you'd have to do that with everything, wouldn't you? And then you, where does it all end to just say, "I'm having a laugh. I'm having some fun." You know, it might disappoint a lot of people. Chase, what do you got on this one? >> All right. So there's just a few psychological principles at play here. We have grief, confirmation bias, and a extremely powerful human need to find meaning to find meaning and stuff. And every hedge that he has used throughout this reduces commitment. Every question is is disguised as insight. So maybe he I I know he seems like a great guy. Seems like he actually cares about people. He's not evil. Um if Tyler, if you want to fly out here, I will I will fly you out here first class. I will you can charge me for your time and I and I will also not be an If you want to do it right here and we'll film the whole thing if you want to do it. I'm willing to be proven wrong and uh and I will make an apology video on my own YouTube channel for it if you want to do it. Greg. Yeah. Look, this guy's brilliant and [clears throat] I'm not beating him up. I'm saying it's entertainment. I mean, are there people who really really need to talk to somebody who's dead? Yes. I think if every any of us could say something to someone we lost, especially if we lost them in an untimely fashion, we would all want that. So, it gives people feelings of hope and all that. If you're not commercially rewarded for it, and by that I don't mean TV, because TV is TV. Whatever's on TV is on TV. And if you believe whatever everything is on TV, you're in a lot worse shape than thinking he's talking to the dead. So, as he's going about this, if it's nothing more than entertainment, why do we care? Why do we care whether he's talking to the dead or not? But if they're asking you for any kind of compensation, whether it's money, some personal thing, whatever else is, then you should be concerned. So take everything you're watching him do and when Bob comes up to you and starts doing this same thing, not talking to the dead, but all these same te techniques are coming out, you know you're being worked. This is one of the best examples of somebody cooperating with being worked that we'll see. And I think it's brilliant. It's great entertainment. And I think again, I could write an interrogation book with you any day because you got what it takes to do this stuff. Scott, what do you see? Yeah. I think if you have a show called Hollywood Medium, 80% of your work is done because you just got to Google stuff before you go over Yeah. >> and and do that. And the thing that bothers me about this is is I don't I think it's I think I don't think it's real. I don't think he talks to dead people. And I think when you charge people for that and you tell them what you think they want to hear about people in their lives who've passed away and you're pretending you're the voice of that person, I think that's mean. I think that's evil. That's not good. you shouldn't be doing that cuz that's that's you shouldn't be doing that. I forgive you. You don't know what the heck you're talking about to be forgiven for. You know, it could be something horrible that that um that person did to them. You don't know what it is. So, that's my problem with it. I guess it goes back to the moralistic side of it. I don't think that's right. And I think he's taking money for doing that and he's making himself famous and popular for doing that. And I I don't like it. I not even a little bit. It's not my not my thing. But anyway, thoughts. I think this is another good one. And we'll see you next time. >> The behavior panel. >> Scott, I think you're angry. You're angry. And I forgive you. I forgive you. >> Scott, you know what would be a really good one? Park. Trailer park medium. >> Trailer park. >> I'm telling you, >> all be in the street anyway. So, >> dog psychic. That's where I'm going. This body language thing doesn't work out. Get your dogs and cats ready. Here I come. >> What's that? [music]