BREAKING Charlie Kirk Killer In Custody, But Is The Country Too Far Lost? | Tom Bilyeu Show Special

Charlie Kirk's assassin has been apprehended, and I think there are going to be a lot of questions about his political affiliation. His assassination is also proving to be a ghoulish war shack test that is bringing out weirdness on both sides of the aisle. The jobs report has come out, and it is worse than expected. A rate reduction at this point seems all but inevitable. We're going to see what that means for the economy, and AI continues to threaten the stability of the job market. >> We just got breaking news. This is reportedly um again, I'm taking it from New York Post, but I have a Twitter link that actually shows the kid. Um 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, um who this person is probably on the team was a registered Republican in Utah according to state records. They're kind of matching up showing that this is the dude that did it. Um So, yeah. Um I hope that this kid's life is I don't know if this is that person. I don't want to start digging through cuz I don't know where to go, but >> Here's the thing. If this ends up being a Republican, it's yet another reason why being on a team is the wrong level of analysis. >> Mhm. >> So, it is the fact that we team up that we get into this degree of I'm so certain. So, for instance, there's a uh um account that I follow that's Republicans against Trump. And it's like they're just as teamed up as Republicans for Trump. So, it's like don't don't blanket be for or against anyone. Figure out what what is the cause and effect of the situation, then take each thing as we go. >> Mhm. >> So, but yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see how all of this plays out, but the very problem is being so certain in your rightness that you're willing to kill somebody. That that's the problem. >> We could go We could go to uh Kaizen's response. We haven't played that yet. >> Yeah, this is great. I love this. >> Let's jump to that. >> And we applaud the executioner. But here's the thing. It's never just one bullet. The gun that is aimed at your enemy today gets aimed at you tomorrow. Suddenly, the cheers around you now become the silence around your own grief. This is why we must condemn everything that comes after but. Even if it comes from our own side. Yet, we've become so arrogant, so certain we know the whole truth that all the angels are in our tribe and all the demons are in theirs. We rage about media bias, yet worship our echo chamber. We are obese with knowledge, but starve for wisdom. The message that was said by Charlie's assassin was clear. He was shot in the throat while speaking freely with those who disagreed and allowing them to do the same. He lived by the mic >> What do you mean? That he got shot in the throat? Like, how do you This is we're in the Matrix. Like, of all places for him to be shot in the throat? Like, that I don't know. It's just so wild to me. >> and died by the sword. This wasn't just an assassination. >> Play that again. >> on those who disagreed and allowing them to do the same. He lived by the mic and died by the sword. This wasn't just an assassination. >> Lived by the mic and died by the sword. >> It was an attack on civilization. >> part of the problem. >> Our nation is held together by a thread and that thread is frayed. The social fabric is tearing and we must unite to weave it anew. We need humility to see not just the speck in the opponent's eye, but the log in our own. Because this isn't about right or left. This is about good versus evil and we're all on each side. So, we all got a choice to make. We can choose to heal or an eye for an eye until we're all blind and cannot see. Yeah. And then, the next bullet may be aimed at you. Or it could be me. >> Well, my job Yeah, now Kaizen is phenomenal. Okay, so it is going to be a really interesting debate if So, one, if this guy's a registered Republican and let's say actually a somebody who really sees himself as on that team, was the trans rhetoric on the bullet meant to deflect from who he is? If not, and this is a person who is a registered Republican but is like knee-deep in trans ideology, then where do you put them on the political compass? That that'll be a fascinating debate, but again, that's getting pulled down into the like you've already passed the part that actually matters, which is somebody believing so believing so strongly that they are right that they're willing to kill. It's crazy. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see like is this guy mentally ill or is he just that convinced of his rightness? There were people pulling footage of somebody that looked vaguely like him debating Charlie at a previous event. So it'll be interesting to see if that really is that guy. >> lost a debate and then he came back to get him type of thing. >> Yeah, so he showed up and he had again, I don't know that this is the same person, but were saying uh might be something like that, but he was speaking with a bullhorn into the mic. So, but yeah, I wouldn't say that in terms of winning the crowd over, he certainly did not. Charlie had the crowd on his side. I didn't see the full thing of it. I just saw clips, so I won't say who made the better arguments, but if it was that guy it'll be interesting cuz he certainly doesn't he doesn't come as being trans himself. Certainly, there was nothing in his um physical display that would lead you to believe that. But, who knows? We'll see. All right, Drew. Uh we are still in the after wash of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. It still is um sitting on me pretty heavily. I was not at all surprised to see that my timeline is still just wall-to-wall Charlie Kirk. >> Mhm. >> Um this one really does feel different. It's been to see people talk about that little aspect of this. Like, why does this one feel so differently? I think people are grappling with um something that I think you get close to when you realize that this wasn't a politician. This was a guy that talked for a living. And so, when the guy that talks for a living gets killed in like the most symbolic way, getting shot in the throat while talking about a political position that people don't agree with, it's just so rich in symbolism that he was somebody that was specifically aiming his message at young people, which of course is exactly where you want to aim a message. >> Mhm. >> Um all of that, and then it was captured on camera so close up. It's This one I don't think this one's going to go away. And so, people are going to use this to advance what they already believe. That's the thing that scares me. So, I've seen everything from the direct like Charlie Kirk was standing up for free speech and American values, and so that's what was assassinated. I've seen uh the chance, which I assume we'll play a clip of later, where white men fight back. And I was just like, wait, what does this have to do with being white? So, everybody This is a Rorschach test. You see in this what you want to see. >> Mhm. >> And those kind of things get very dangerous because now everybody believes that they have like the perfect thing that explains why their side is right, which is the very problem that we're dealing with right now. Everybody's convinced they're right. >> Yeah. Uh White House reporter Elena Trene from CNN just announced that Trump said on Fox and Friends that Charlie Kirk's assassin is in custody. Um quoted it directly from Trump, "I think with a high degree of certainty we have him in custody." So, if this is Kash Patel said that last uh yesterday it came out with a he had to fire had to deal with it when he had ended up having to release that hostage that suspect. So, if this is the person that done it, if they actually captured him, do you think that this will be a path to healing? Or is it kind of cats already out the bag? >> this So, uh this is a symptom, this is not the cause. People been waiting for that spark. And the question always when something like this happens and you have a spark that then catches fire, everybody focuses on the spark, but the reality is you should be looking at the kindling that's been laid down for God knows how long. >> Mhm. >> Um we've been pulling at each other like crazy. We've had political assassinations in recent memory that didn't catch on the way that this one did in terms of the public consciousness, which is always fascinating when you look back even at things like the civil rights movement. Like why Rosa Parks? You know what I mean? Like there was a hundred other things, a thousand other things that were as bad, possibly worse, but they they aren't the one that like really sparks it. Sometimes because of the symbolism, sometimes because of the coverage, sometimes because of who will rally around them. Uh so, it's interesting to see the way that Charlie has become that thing that's going to push this forward, but the reality is there's been something brewing under the surface for a very long time that's now going to rage. The only question is how far. There is no healing this. When I think about the stance that I have, which is, "Hey, we still have to find a way back to the middle. We still have to find a way to um give people a narrative that they can hold on to that gives them the words to self-soothe." Um I do sometimes feel like the guy on the beach as the tsunami rolls in. I just don't know if it's stoppable. And so, um Ray Dalio was recently on Diary of a CEO and he asked him, "Are you optimistic about America's future?" And Ray just goes, "No." And Ray is looking at historical patterns. For reasons of historical patterns, I feel like the person on the beach with the tsunami rolling in calling for everybody to find their way back to the middle. I just don't know if if it's possible. Uh it it is the very thing that I'm asking for, that I know would be good for us, is the very thing that I think defies the way the human mind actually works. Humans on an individual level are fine, but once you start getting into crowds, once cultural energy is rippling, I don't know that it's possible to stop without enough pain. So, we'll see. >> Yeah. Um I'm seeing a lot of like comparisons about how this is hitting different communities. Um it's there's this kind of sports commentator by my man Jalen Rose on ESPN who says all the time, "There's really two Americas." And depending on where your Twitter feed lies in the algorithm, there's definitely two stark reactions. Um and it's it's interesting to me how some people have evangelized Charlie Kirk, even comparing this to the slaying of MLK. Other people are saying this is their George, this is white people's George Floyd moment because it's like a public execution of somebody that looks like them over something that they that was unjust. And now they're this is rallying it. I see the chance on the other side. I see Charlie Kirk um being a symbol for American values and American symbolism. He got a Medal of Honor. So, there or Medal of Freedom. So, there's a lot of different reactions going across the spectrum. Is that I know we talk about populism enough and I don't want that to be kind of the the buzzword that kind of bells us out, but to see such a stark point, this couldn't have just been over the killing. This is just the exposure of it. Like that bullet kind of lifted up the rock where all the ants kind of climbed and went away, but those divisions didn't get sown once that gun was shot. It got sown decades, months, years, whatever time frame ago it seems like cuz this how stark the difference is is just baffling to me. Um so, I'm still processing it live. Like even right now, like live on camera I'm still processing. But, it's it's just it's fascinating to me. This is a UT Austin. >> Charlie Kirk got shot and killed. How do you feel? >> Uh happy. Goodbye. >> Wow. Did you see that Charlie Kirk just got shot and killed? >> That's good. >> Wow. That's good. That's good that people are getting shot just to have a political view? Good that people are dying in America? Did you see that >> Okay, so pause it for a second. Some of this is youth. Like you're going to find I I am so glad that when I was this age that there were no cameras in my face because I would have said my share of unhinged stuff. The brain doesn't even stop developing until you're 25. You certainly, for the most part, some people will have, but the vast majority of people will not have thought through their views well. They won't have a map of reality where it's all interconnected and so they'll have individual thoughts that you can topple or even show that they have self-contradictory beliefs. So, I have deep empathy from that perspective. A lot of these guys are caught up in narratives. We're all caught up in narratives. Uh but, it is very troubling to me to see how pervasive and how extreme this narrative is. >> With the good narrative? >> No, no, no. On this side with Oh, yeah, yeah. Good that he's dead. >> Oh, good that he's dead. Okay. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. That it would it should be extremely difficult to find people that will be that glib about somebody's assassination. And we're in a moment now where people are all too ready to be glib about the fact that he died. But anyway, keep going cuz there's it gets worse as this goes. >> Carey got shot and killed today? >> Uh, yes, I did. >> How do you feel about that? >> Um, I don't really have any feelings about it. Um, who are you? >> Charlie Carey got shot and killed today. We're just getting people's opinions. How do you feel about that? >> Girl, someone had to do it. And that's how I feel at this point in time. But >> You know, I appreciate your honesty. I truly do. So, you said someone had to do it. >> Yes. Trying not to get all pulled up into that, but he was a misogynist. Uh, he was a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs. >> So, if you had a magical wand, a magical button that you could press >> This is getting >> and keep him from being assassinated, would you press that? >> No. I think things happen for a purpose. Um and if that's how his life was ended, then that's how it was ended. So. >> Yeah. Um, okay. So, I see some of the comments in the chat saying, "Hey, you know, these are like fringe beliefs." The very thing that I'm trying to get people to understand is this should be hard to find somebody that has fringe beliefs. You should not just be able to walk around campus over uh I mean, judging by the shadows, this is all in a pretty tight time period. Call it over a couple of hours in one location. You shouldn't be able to find five or six people >> Mhm. >> uh, that have that what I will call just completely unhinged response to someone being assassinated, whether they're you're on your team or not. >> Mhm. >> The the thing that I'm trying to get across to people is we are on tribes. We are on teams. Being on a team has a deranging effect to the way that people think through a problem. So the the very thing that I want to remind myself in my own life, the thing that I want to put out into the world, the thing that I hope that people like if I got killed, I would want people to say he was always trying to get people to think from first principles. He was always trying to get people to map their values and then say, "Hey, here are the ways that I think by having this value system is actually going to take me to where my goals are." And what you're seeing here are people that they're in tribal thinking and their team has a set of beliefs that just make it easy for them to have such a glib response to something so tragic. And when your team's narrative gives you a take that allows you to look into somebody being assassinated and say, "Yeah, cool. That's good. Yeah, no, I wouldn't undo that. Like this all just happens for a reason." Um that's the very thing that I'm worried about. So it isn't even the message from these young kids. It is that we have these pat messages that are pulling away from each other as fast as possible. That is the problem. So clowning on these kids for having a dumb belief, whatever. Like that certainly isn't what I'm advocating for. If I saw any of these people, I I would not be yelling at them and saying, "You're so unhinged." The thing that I'm trying to talk people back from is don't allow yourself to slip into a narrative stream where you're not thinking about, "Okay, hold on a second. Where am I trying to get to?" Because if where you want to get to is my team is right, the other team is wrong, we're going to have to clear out like girl, somebody had to do it. That somebody who's like, "Look, this the the opposing team is so dangerous. We just have to get rid of them and so it's actually good news when somebody like that gets taken out." You're not taking on the knock-on effect. Even if you're just like, "Well, it was good that one person did it so the rest will shut up. It's like so hold on a second, you want to use violence to eliminate free speech because you can't get free speech removed? You want to eliminate free speech full stop? You don't think that that has knock-on effects that are going to be exceedingly dangerous for you? So, that's where I am very unnerved. Ray Dalio is banging a drum and saying economic things are creating a hatred within the own within our own country. This is a pattern that repeats in history. Watch what's going to happen. You're you get north of 130% debt to GDP and you break out into civil war. It it's just a loop. And so it's like not being able to interrupt it, not being able to get people to see what's happening. That's the thing that scares me the most. Now, show the show the flip side. We'll show the Joker thing in a second. I just don't want people to get lost in the oh, the left is a bunch of lunatics and that's what just happened. We're witnessing the left being crazy. Uh we saw the last political assassinations, at least that I'm aware of here in the US, was what happened in Minnesota. That's as far as I know, that was a Trump supporter killing multiple people well, killing one, his spouse, and then or her husband, and then trying to kill another and their spouse. So, it's like uh so, that one didn't catch be I think because people just didn't know them in the way that they know Charlie Kirk, but um that's the other side being just as unhinged. So, people getting into a narrative stream that this is all about the left being crazy be a mistake. So, anyway, um >> I was going here. This is where I was going with the >> Matt Walsh will be a perfectly good stand-in for the right. >> Got you. For hours I I've seen some in the media, some of the very same people who intentionally stoked murderous hatred against people like Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk specifically now saying that we need to turn down the temperature and start having conversations. Well, Charlie tried to have conversations with you on the left and you killed him for it. >> And you killed him for it. So, this is where this all starts to break really bad. There was a guy that killed him for it. >> Mhm. >> Uh presumably. Technically, we don't know who actually did it, but all signs point to first of all, the thought of a woman being a sniper killing political opponents just strikes me as >> The image released seemed like it was a white male. >> Yeah, while while not uh impossible, certainly seems very unlikely. So, uh but saying that you did it, your side, you guys, bad guys, that is the problem. Like, that's the very thing that we have to back off of. That is the mindset that that person was in. Now, whether we end up finding out that this is a punchline about uh a trans activist, which there was something written on the bullet that would lead people to believe that that is the case, we'll see. Fullness of time, let that come out. But, no matter what, that person was on a team in their head, >> Mhm. >> believed, I see things clearly, so much so that I should be allowed to be judged during execution. It's really wild. >> Mhm. >> And so, now, I don't think I disagree with Destiny who says this is a blatant call for violence. I wouldn't go that far, but he is revealing a stance that is certainly like very much you guys are wrong, you have you are a group, you are a monolith, you have done bad thing, I am on the right side of history, I am seeing this clearly, and so now you've pushed me in a position where we're going to have to fight back. He does not ever say that we're going to have to fight back violently, um but fight. >> Mhm. >> All right. Let him finish. >> us in our churches. You tried to kill our president. You killed one of our greatest advocates in Charlie Kirk. You have been openly cheering for and celebrating and encouraging and committing political violence for years. Antifa, BLM, well-funded, highly orchestrated, widespread movements based in and fueled by violence. You made a hero out of Luigi Mangione. And you celebrate Charlie's death even now. It's too late to turn the temperature down. This is not a time to hold hands. It's a It's a time for justice. It is a time for good to fight back against evil. It is time for the righteous to prevail. For the sake of our country and for our families and our children. And for Charlie. >> The thing that I take away from there isn't that I think his message is unhinged or anything like that. It is time for justice. It is time for the righteous to prevail. Now, will we agree on who the righteous are? Probably not. Um, will we agree on what justice is? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. But, the words he's using bother me only in as much as it makes it clear that he's on a team. >> Mhm. >> And he is lumping everybody, like we don't even know who killed Charlie yet. So, for him to assume, uh, this is just the left and, uh, you guys are all one big basket of things. You're all wrong. Uh, team thinking does not lead anywhere good. So, that that's what I worry about. So, yeah, I hope people do not break along the lines of there are a, uh, good group and there is a bad group and we are now at war with each other. That is not how I think people should be looking at this. This is how do we get to the fundamental values? How do we get to the structure of, um, structurally what is happening that's making this a problem? And I do admittedly feel very weird reminding everybody this is all coming from economic problems, because that feels so weird in a time where people are emotional. Like, if I were at Charlie's funeral and they asked me to speak, I'm not going to mention the economy. >> Mhm. >> But I'm doing that out of social obligation, if that makes sense. You just know that's the wrong thing to talk about. >> Wrong place, wrong time. >> But it is the truth. And so this is where we start detaching ourselves from what's really happening, what are the actual underlying causes, and we go to what sounds right, how do we do the rallying cry. Like, if I had to lead people into battle, I wouldn't be like, "Now remember, as we go down to fight, that this all comes from inflation." Like, you wouldn't do that. So, I get how people are going to um they're going to feel what he feels. They're going to speak in an evocative way because it feels so good to speak in that way to get people rallied up. And then all hope is lost. Because now we're totally detached from reality, we're at the level of what I call the T. It's pure emotion, we're fighting about something that's completely abstracted from what's really going on, but it is the thing that feels good, it is the narrative that is simple enough to um spread to get everybody to uh drink it up and then get their blood boiling and then now we can have the real fight that people want to have, but it will be completely non-productive, and at the end of that fight with more bloodshed, all the people will have is fatigue. And if people could understand that the way that wars end is uh you kill somebody so much and they kill you so much that eventually, maybe one of you wins and the other side just can't continue to fight. But by by end of it, everybody goes, "Whoa, this is way more horrible than I ever could have imagined and I don't ever want to go through that again." Nobody goes, "That was dope. We had a great time." It's It is just horror from top to bottom. But, people never see it until they've been through it. 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But, you can make the same video showing people from the right saying a bunch of unhinged [ __ ] When you miss that part, because if you're on the right, this is going to feel true. >> Mhm. >> If you flip it and show people on the right saying all the bad things and you're on the left, it's going to feel true. And so, now both of them are going to have their supercuts. This is the thing that drives me crazy about Destiny is he's very good at reminding people the right says unhinged [ __ ] but he glosses over the unhinged [ __ ] that the left says. I'm just What are you doing? Like, he's very smart. He knows it's there. So, I don't know. That's when it always feels like Destiny steps into spinning a narrative. >> Mhm. >> Um so, the very thing that we must do to not end up somewhere full of blood is recognize, ah, everybody's being pushed onto a team. The act of being pushed onto a team is the problem. >> Mhm. >> All right. So, anyway, here's a team video for you. >> Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. >> Are they a threat to democracy? Yes. Are they going to take our rights away? Yes. Are they going to put people's lives in danger? Yes. Are they going to endanger the planet by not giving to climate change? Yes. >> People need to start taking to the streets. This is a dictator. >> I I I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be. >> He's a genuine danger to American security. >> They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. >> Even the way he said that, he sounds like an actor. Like, that's wild. >> Biden never sounded that menacing ever in all four years, 30 years he's been in the White House or on the Senate floor, it sounded that menacing until this video. >> Hey, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there is unrest in our lives. >> Have a consistent narrative about how dangerous uh Trump is. >> President Biden has been clear-eyed about the threat that the former president represents to our democracy. >> Yeah. >> I I will say you it is a it is unwise to constantly say the other team is a danger, they're a danger, they're a threat, they're like Nazis, like all that stuff. The only thing I can see people on the left say, "Well, they're not calling for violence." If you say enough times that the other team is like the worst perpetrators of crimes in terms of what we teach young people to be aware of and all of that over and over and over and over, like eventually people are going to get the message and be like, "Oh, these are the like this is true evil and I always said I was going to be the person that hid Anne Frank in my attic. This is my shot." Now, obviously it is a very small number of people that will actually take action on it, but you are creating that milieu and it is a terrible idea. It's a terrible idea on the left. It's a terrible idea on the right. But, it does happen. >> Um yeah, I I think we um landed the plane on that video. I don't think we need to continue to perpetrate it. Um is this one of those situations where we're just going to have to let it play out? Because I mean is there another option? Cuz it it's it's >> I I will scream into a camera as much as I possibly can explaining to people, "Hey, like you're getting sucked into a narrative. Hey, like don't be a tribal thinker. Hey, by the way, cause and effect is all that matters." I will try. I will do everything I can. I will try to convince people that the world operates on a set of rules. Those rules are knowable. Once you understand the rules, you can understand how people are trying to manipulate you and therefore can eject out of the manipulation. It is not emotionally evocative. That's the problem. I have long lamented that saying what is true calmly and collectedly does not get people to pay attention. Like you need the theatrics of it all. And I never used to break a sweat while filming. Now I do because I realize like I've got to deliver it in a way that cuts through the noise. And so I'm over here like freaking out still trying to say a very metered, very middle of the road thing but in a way that that feels emotionally evocative. But man, like it just isn't it it is out of alignment with somebody whose blood is already boiling. If their blood is already boiling, the odds that you can get them to calm down until they get to do their proper freak out is very, very low. Here's Charlie talking about gun violence. >> You need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You can significantly reduce them by having more fathers in the home, >> Yes. >> by having more armed guards in front of schools. We we we should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one. You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's dribble. >> Yeah, this this whole argument is I don't know. This is a little bit nonsensical. I don't know if we're ever going to go anywhere with the should we have guns, should we not have guns debate. But the thing that I think people are really talking about with this is oh, what an own goal. Like oh, what a fool. Like he wasn't trying to stop guns and he got killed by a gun. Like oh, I bet he wishes he'd never said that now. No, he's not going to say that. What he like if you could magically speak to him beyond the grave, he's going to say something like we you have This is what I think he would say. The left is out of their minds and they uh used guns to silence a person who was nonviolent, who was debating. They didn't have any good ideas. They couldn't meet the uh challenge of the debate. And because their ideas are so bad that there's no way they can defend them, they had to resort to violence. Not what the writers of the Constitution intended with the Second Amendment, blah blah blah. So, this does not feel like Charlie like scoring an own goal on himself from where I'm sitting and you're not going to see anybody on the right be like, "Yo, it's so true." >> And I yeah, I don't think it's an own goal. I think it's I'm going to paint this picture, right? Hypothetically speaking, let's just play let's just connect some dots and see if it's a motion or if it makes sense. Um dot number one, Charlie Kirk says that it's necessary certain people will have to die in order to maintain the Second Amendment. >> Yep. >> We got to be okay with people getting killed with guns. >> Yep. >> Dot number two, um Charlie Kirk gets killed uh Charlie Kirk gets quoted that empathy is a made-up concept. He doesn't believe in empathy for people. We need to talk about statistics. We need to talk about facts. >> I need to see that uh understand that. >> up Yeah, I could bring up that clip, but hypothetically speaking again, I'm just connecting dots. Let's say that I can pull up a clip in 2 seconds that he says that quote for quote. He gets murdered in a uh uh uh white campus by a professional sniper, it seems like, 200 yd away. There were armed security standing right behind him. So, to his point, security. I don't know about the fatherhood the fatherhood of the father status of the killer, but let's assume he had a father. Maybe he didn't have a father. Okay, cool. And then now he he passes and everybody's expecting empathy. They're expecting uh sympathy. And when other people don't have that sympathy, they're now getting villainized. So, I think to say this is a sad tragedy, it's true, it is a sad tragedy. But, when people are connecting those dots of he was advocating that it's okay that some people die because of gun deaths, he got killed on a white campus, his last words were gun vio- his last words were gang violence, and he was killed by a white shooter, and uh so, like as you're kind of putting all these together, and then now it's like he died, he he was always advocating for the right thing. Now, you're kind of saying like, "Well, wait. Two kids died on the day he died, and we did not even talk about those two kids. Three kids died or there was three people injured shot, I don't know what their status is now, the next day because of it." Like, there there was two gun sh- there was two mass shootings. He got shot on the same day of a mass shooting. Like, the irony is stacking on top on top on top on top. So, when there's certain people that when you say like, "Hey, Charlie Kirk just died," and people are like, "Uh." That doesn't make them radical left murderers. And then to bring it back to the Matt Walsh thing, it's not ANTIFA or BLM that are driving these things. Like, so, it it I'm putting all these things on the table to just say that yes, no parent should no kid should have to live like sh- no parent should um no kid should outlive their parent or no parent should outlive their kid, whatever the the saying is. Um so, the fact that like his 3-year-old daughter and his wife had to see the blood gushing from the neck on the front row, deplorable, horrible, despicable, all the right things. Every left pres- every left leader from AOC to Obama to um Hillary to everybody that says, "We condemn the violence. It's terrible. It's horrible." All those things. So, as I'm linking chain all these things, and then you still get on you still hear Donald Trump saying, "It's the radical leftist. This is crazy." You still hear Matt Walsh saying, "We need to fight evil with evil." You're hearing all these people calling for violence or fighting back. We uh we have the chance of the white people getting white white men must fight back. Like, fight back against who? Where are they Where are these coming from? Like, this is the this is the type of energy that is coming from different sides that we're not talking about. So I'm not saying that it's a own on Charlie Kirk, but when MLK died, they quoted the I have a dream speech. When Charlie Kirk was passed, I don't know if we're going to quote the last five things he said before he passed. And I think that >> Well, they're already doing that. So you they're already quoting the wonderful things that he said and the right is a 100% eulogizing him in a whitewashed way that's going to cover up some of the more controversial things that he said. >> Mhm. >> Uh so I don't know that I track that argument, but you've set a buffet of things before us. So let's let's take one dish at a time. So dish number one a guy who says not even like as far as I know this is not like Charlie Kirk's major plank, but has clearly talked about it before where he said you're never going to get gun violence to zero. >> Mhm. >> Uh which seems like a very straightforward statement of fact. We live in a world where we have a whole lot of guns. We have a constitutional um mandate is not the right word. It's enshrined in the Constitution that we have a right to bear arms. So it's like well that that that is what it is. So people are going to use this as a um a moment to talk about that we should be rescinding that or we should be putting like really strict controls on it. You know, whatever their takeaway is going to be. So if people want to use any time that there's gun violence as a impetus to let's have the conversation. Let's do something sensible. Fair enough. But what I've seen with this is people using it to mock Charlie to laugh to say see like all right [ __ ] idiot like you got what you deserved which you'll see plenty of people saying exactly that either because of his stance on abortion, which we have a clip on where a woman's like, "I don't care that he died. He had a different view than I do on abortion, so [ __ ] him." Uh or because it's uh well, you seem perfectly willing to have a lot of guns, so [ __ ] you. Like, you should get killed with one. It's like, that the level of absurdity with that is crazy. So, just because he believes that we have a right to bear arms does not mean that he's saying or even that inevitably there's going to be a certain number of people killed by it. That does not mean that he deserves to be killed. So, it's like, we've got to separate those. I'm not saying you're saying that, but I'm saying people are saying that. I have seen them say that. >> Nobody deserves to be shot. >> Correct. So, now it's like, okay, well, if we can separate that out and if we can say, "Yeah, have the debate about gun control, all of that." But, the laughing at Charlie because he said that there's inevitably going to be a certain number of people that die. If that becomes like the thing that we're talking about here, that's where I'm like, this is people getting sucked into the tea of it all instead of the like real underlying issue, which just to remind everybody is once you make people feel economically insecure, they get into their emotions. Once they're in their emotions because they are afraid, they go on to teams. Once they are on teams, they start voting for people that are essentially willing to fight uh against the other side to protect their way of life. That's the problem. Everything else is window dressing. So, have the debate about whether we want to remove the Second Amendment. I mean, that's exactly what a democracy is about. If people are here for whatever. So, but like, if Charlie Kirk had said, um "Listen, I don't think we should get rid of cars. There's always going to be a certain number of car deaths." And then he dies in a car accident, would we say that he was a [ __ ] for saying that there should be cars? Like, that just seems like a strange It is a strange argument. That is somebody who's in an emotional place and they want to dunk on somebody. Which hey, fine. On that I will say Charlie, you live by the sword, you die by the sword in the sense that he liked to dunk on people. And so, cool. You die, people are going to dunk on you for things. That just is what it is. Uh but I just don't want to see people get lost in the um the surface level debate. Like get down to the substantive part. Like both on gun violence and how we want to handle that moving forward. What do we think is the right way to do it? Uh and on the fact that we are being pulled into these teams with oversimplified rhetoric and I think that's where we're lost. >> Do you think empathy people are entitled to empathy? >> Do I think people are entitled to empathy? Uh I I think it is unwise to approach the world from a place of entitlement, but your life will be so much better if you give empathy. If you find your way to empathizing with the people that you disagree with the most, your life will be so much better. Empathy is a connective, like it triggers a neurochemical cascade that makes you feel love and connection uh for your fellow man, and that is a very good place to be. Uh so, I don't like to use the word entitled, but I think that empathy is insanely powerful. Start from there. >> Next super chat from Mr. G Chase Hughes just released a video walking through how division is being propagated amongst all of us. We are all being played with tribalism. Get to the middle and stop claiming a side. Model your values and stand for them. >> Well, sounds perfect to me. So, yeah. I agree aggressively. Now, I don't know who Chase Hughes is, uh but that certainly sounds like um my pitch. >> Yeah. Oh, right, Okay. Yeah. >> I got to clip it if I met him or not, but >> The minute that your ideas require violence to enforce or spread, they're already completely bankrupt. Every tyrant, every failed ideology, every social collapse starts the exact same way. The debate dies, then violence takes the place of debate, and you can't argue with a gun. You can only kill with it. And when killing is the substitute for a conversation, society as a whole starts falling off a cliff. We all have been sold the biggest con of our entire life. And this is that the problem is left versus right, or Republicans versus Democrats. And >> Yeah, I agree with all this. This certainly sounds familiar. >> that they want us screaming about while they're doing something else. This is a magician's trick, and I'm about to really show you what Charlie, God rest his soul, has kind of exposed here. If you turn on cable news today, maybe you scroll social media, what are you going to see? The absolute fringe. They're going to show you the loudest, dumbest, most cartoonish people from the other side, blasted in your face 24/7. You're not being shown your neighbor or your coworker, or the mom next door who votes differently. You're being shown a bunch of professional lunatics >> Think he's wrong about that. So, I think people want this to be a little more fringe than it is. So, Chase and I aggressively agree on the fact that we are being pulled onto tribes, but to call it a magician's trick is probably a little misleading. It is the way that your brain is wired. We are hardwired to do this. And that has been triggered via the economic uncertainty. And so, this goes back to the spark versus the kindling. The kindling's been We go off the gold standard, we start inflating the money supply like mad. Uh it starts killing the American dream and a whole host of other policies. Obviously, when I talk about that, I'm oversimplifying something, but that starts laying down all this kindling and now as we get into the deeper and deeper innings of people feeling economically insecure, they are tribing up because the anger gives them the certainty. So, as a PSA, I will remind everybody that uh they did a study where they put electrodes in people's brains and they poked around on the different emotions. So, love, lust, um joy, and anger. And it was more than that, but you get the idea. And they then asked the people, "Hey, of all the emotions that I just triggered in you, which one do you want me to trigger again?" And it was anger. >> Wow. >> So, I know that shocks people, but there is something so intoxicating about the moral certainty that comes with being angry. When you're angry, you know you're right. You know what to do. You know how to move forward. It is a sense of superiority that the thing you have been aggrieved so much that you have a right to like go after that person. And that level of certainty feels so good. And so, what's promised to people in a populist moment is certainty. It is hyper oversimplified. It is aggressive in nature. It is punitive in nature and all of that feels awesome. I am the good guy, they are the bad guy. I have every right to go after them, to pursue them. And if you can get people to feel like that, oh my god, like they love it the most. This is why people use fear and anger. Fear is I must solve this problem. I must learn what is causing this, what is going on, so people pay attention. Anger is, ah, I know what's wrong and now I'm [ __ ] going after it. So, yeah, beware, but this is not like a big bamboozle that's being played by politicians. This is coming from the economic uncertainty that puts people into their emotions because they are afraid, and then they team up to get that certainty that they crave so much. That's the loop, but it's nature that played that trick on you. Take it in now to the economy since we've been talking about it. The jobs report came in. Um so, this is the weekly estimate of unemployment benefits going out. Economists forecasted 253,000, but claims jumped up to 263. This is the largest jump in 7 years, I want to say, or 7 months, excuse me. Um I don't want to say that this is damning, and this means the economy is on fire, but add that to the 900 900,000 revision, add that to the S&P being uh negative if you take out six companies, and I'm Oracle has to be a seventh now after their crazy day um yesterday. 83 billion dollars in one day, the single biggest gain. >> Bro. >> He made 83 billion dollars, and then told his son to go buy uh HBO. We're going to talk about that next. Uh crazy. Um crazy. But, with the economy seeming like it's on its last legs, um is this jobs report kind of move the needle for you? Um >> Uh so, it it certainly hasn't changed my vision of what the economy is. I have been saying for quite some time that I think that the economy is really in trouble. You want to talk about things I hate being right about. Uh I hate being right about the fact that I've been saying for a while that we're going to break violent in America, and hey, here we are breaking violent in America. Look at that. And how many people said, "The Tom's overreacting." Like, "Oh my god. Like, he's just doing this for drama." No. When you look at the patterns of history, things start to make a lot of sense. When you are grounded in you're having a biological experience, there are knowable things about the physics of the way human mind works. There's knowable things about the physics of economies. It's like, you're never going to get it 100% right, but damn, you can be directionally correct. And I'm telling you from a directional correctness, the economy is in trouble. How do I know? Because any economy with this debt-to-GDP ratio is in a bad place. And despite the fact that some people will try to tell you it's a nothing burger, it is a one-way street to death and despair from an economy standpoint. >> Mhm. >> So, uh you either back out of that debt-to-GDP problem, or you accept that over some unfortunately unknown period of time, 5 years, 50 years, 100 years, I don't know, but over some period of time that unfortunately isn't hundreds of years, uh you're going to implode. That's not a maybe. This is mathematical certainty. It's mathematical certainty. And humans are extraordinarily bad at looking at something where the math is simply the following. Uh if you are in a submarine and you are at the bottom of the Mariana's Trench and you only have 4 hours of oxygen and the human body can only go whatever the record is, 17 minutes, 21 minutes without oxygen, and that's for somebody who's hyper-trained, when you get to 4 and 1/2 hours, everyone's dead. Like, that's the physics of the situation. The economy is the same. >> Mhm. >> You You cannot just keep stacking debt. Why? Because to pay that debt off, you will have to print money. When you print money, you devalue your currency. When you hit a certain point of devaluing your currency, nobody will invest in you anymore. When you can't get investments anymore, you stop growing. That Those are the physics of money. >> Mhm. >> People want to somehow believe that we are immune to the physics of money. We are not. I will remind everybody, and I know I say this guy's name a lot, but Ray Dalio built the largest hedge fund in the world simply by recognizing better than anybody else exactly where a given country was at any one time in the big debt cycle. So, nothing about this job report changes my mind about where the economy is, because the economy is moving through the six phases of the debt cycle. This is inevitable. So, it merely makes it apparent that we are going to have to lower rates, that the Fed will no longer have a cover story to not lower rates. So, they are going to lower rates, and the problem is, as Lynn Alden so aptly pointed out, it won't solve the problem because you're now in fiscal dominance. As a reminder, fiscal dominance simply means government spending. I wish people weren't so weird about words cuz fiscal has sort of loosely come to mean monetary policy. That's not the definition of the word. Fiscal means government spending. So, when somebody says fiscal dominance, they just mean that the government is spending so much money that that's all that matters. Literally, that's all that matters. So, they can try to lower the interest rate all they want. It's not going to matter because the economy is already in a tremendous amount of trouble, and as they lower it, that's going to cause inflation. And if they try to raise the rate, it's not going to matter because the government is not going to stop deficit spending, and so now you start driving there the interest rates so high for the government that it just becomes untenable, so they can't do that either. And so, that's called having no more tools. And so, the only thing that is left is a beautiful deleveraging, but nobody will do that because it asks everybody to suffer pain. So, instead, what people will do is whatever gets them elected, which is, guess what? Promise free [ __ ] And what's the only thing that's a terrible [ __ ] idea? Promising free [ __ ] And so, here we are. >> The promise of free [ __ ] Uh Is a Fed rate going to save us? >> No, the Fed rate can't save you. >> No, so so like there's no I I understand what AI is a magic is a silver bullet, but until we figure >> AI isn't the silver bullet, and here's the very dark news. I don't think AI is going to Let's say that AI do- it's the miracle cure of productivity. That won't help you because it will be at the expense of people not having jobs. Yeah. So, now let's say even that you're able to get a ton of money. Right now, your economy is under four Sorry, under five trillion dollars. The amount that it would take to give everyone I think like $16,000, which is poverty wages, is five trillion dollars. Now, if the bots can grow the economy faster than that, let's say that we get to six or seven trillion dollars, uh What are you going to give people like $18,000? Like it's still like >> I don't think the economics are enough. >> The math doesn't math. >> Yeah. >> So, and not only that, let's say that you gave everybody that amount of money and it was enough to keep everybody eating. People will still mouse utopia and they will freak out. So, we have a real problem to face, which is we have an upcoming problem and not enough people are thinking about it, so we haven't yet come up with the solutions that we need to come up with. The only solution that I have come up with is I need everybody to focus on themselves and those that they love. So, we And I hope that that means that we save society that way. And this comes back to hey Jesus, thanks for reminding us everybody has a spark of divinity, so it's okay to think about the individual. So, hey everybody, uh think about mastering where to put your money. Don't pretend the economy isn't what it is. Don't want for free things. Figure out how the game works. It is rigged, but it's rigged in a knowable way. And so, now go do the things that you would need to do. One, distrust yourself. Don't assume that you read the situation perfectly correct. So, don't I'm I admire Michael Saylor's testicle fortitude. He has the largest nuts I've ever seen in my life. And yet, I encourage people don't do that. You're not prepared for that. I'm not even sure he's prepared for that. But for sure as [ __ ] the average person is not prepared for that. So, go broad. >> Yeah. >> But you've got to own assets and you've got to be in something that approximates an all-weather fund. Uh I've done videos on this. So, if you want all the specifics, just go watch the videos, the deep dives. The last like if you watch the last three deep dives, I think you'll get uh all that you need from what you should be doing with your money perspective. Um yeah. >> David Ellison, the son of Oracle Larry Ellison, Ellison, who's clearly balling right now, is uh the head of Skydance who just recently acquired Paramount. They're preparing to make a bid for Warner Brothers. Um that would make them the largest conglomerate bringing together HBO, Discovery, Showtime, CBS, uh TNT, um a bunch of sports contracts all under one umbrella. Um some people are saying we don't need more consolidation in the media aspect. Some people think fresh tech money is what the media aspect needs. What's your initial reaction to this? >> Uh because of what's going to happen with AI, I'm not worried about consolidation on this at all. There are going to be plenty of outlets and opportunities for young creatives to get the things that they want to make seen. We were just talking about on Wednesday the fact that you're going to see the first AI-generated animated film in 2026. >> Mhm. >> Uh they're expecting to get it done in 9 months for $30 million versus the normal 3-plus years for like $150 million. So, I think this is this is a golden age to be an independent creator um because budgets are just going to be dropping, dropping, dropping. People are going to be taking more risks. So, reason that that it gets bad when you see that kind of consolidation is now there's like a gatekeeper and if you're iced out there, then you're just never going to make anything. We just don't live in that time. We live in a time now where there's like no gatekeepers essentially on anything. >> Yeah. >> Uh so, yeah, not worried about it in the slightest. Uh I'm more worried about them going out of business. >> Yeah. >> So, that's the thing that like scares me. So, to stay alive, they may need to consolidate right about now. >> Um can you uh eulogize us a little bit? I don't think we need like a specific sign-off. If you just give us something that makes us a little bit more inspirational. I'm not trying to tell you to motivate us, but I just I feel like we need a little bit more than just a see you later, bye. You know what I mean? >> Fair. Okay, so um I will say this. Humans are a complex and incredible creature. We are capable of the horrors that we're seeing right now, but we are also capable of beauty and compassion and love. But we have to choose to look at that. We have to choose to put ourselves in that position. I am very grateful to the universe, to God, to whatever, that we have the ability to manipulate our own neurochemistry. So, we can all choose right now to ratchet up, to spiral out of control with the ready emotions and the easy narratives that are all there to get us wound up, to be on one team or the other, to play a team sport, to want to win, to take that electrode and jam it in our brain to feel the anger that will give us the clarity and certainty to move forward. That's one way, and a lot of people are going to choose that. Or, we can say that we're going to take that same metaphorical electrode and we're going to jam it into something that is far different. We're going to force ourselves to see the humanity in the other people. We're going to force ourselves to want people to challenge our ideas. We're going to force ourselves to find what we share, to see the things that draw us back towards the middle, to understand that the cause and effect of that leads to far more beautiful things than fighting with each other ever will. And that it feels good to be that kind of person. good to be the kind of person that doesn't allow themselves to be enslaved by their own emotions, to be blinded by the things that they feel. That instead that you're going to rise up above that. Uh that you really are going to see the humanity even in your enemies and try to find a beautiful path forward together. So, it's not going to be super popular right now, but boy does it feel a lot better and it leads to a lot better outcomes. All right, everybody. Till next time, be legendary. Take care. Peace. If you like this conversation, check out this episode to learn more. A woman is stabbed to death by a literal madman and race riots break out on X. The Fed has seemingly lost control of the ability to control interest rates. You're not going to want to miss that. Israel bombs Qatar and Trump is not happy. Russia claims