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Beyond Water Cooling: Scaling AI Compute with Two-Phase Cooling | Zutacore

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The video features an interview with Dan Wood, Senior Vice President of AI Silicon and Head of Product at Zutacore, discussing the critical challenges facing digital infrastructure in the era of artificial intelligence. Wood identifies AI as the defining challenge of our generation, characterized by an insatiable demand for computational growth that must be balanced against strict energy, water, and sustainability requirements. As chips become more powerful and power-hungry, traditional cooling methods are reaching their limits, creating a bottleneck where thermals constrain future expansion. The industry has historically relied on air cooling before transitioning to water-based liquid cooling, but Wood argues that even this approach is running out of headroom as water resources become scarcer and less efficient for high-density compute needs. To address these escalating power challenges, the conversation highlights the shift toward two-phase liquid cooling as a transformative solution. This technology unlocks the capability to design significantly more powerful chips while operating in an entirely waterless manner, which is crucial for regions facing water scarcity. By utilizing advanced cooling systems, data center operators can maximize tokens per second per dollar per megawatt, effectively directing more energy toward actual computation rather than waste heat removal. This approach not only enhances performance but also reduces the overall energy footprint, allowing facilities to contribute positively to their local communities by conserving resources and minimizing environmental impact. Wood emphasizes that the future of digital infrastructure will be defined by a specific metric: achieving maximum tokens per second while maintaining efficiency in dollars per watt and doing so responsibly through liquid cooling. His perspective is rooted in decades of experience designing silicon roadmaps for major companies like Intel and AMD, where he observed that thermal constraints are the primary barrier to growth. The transition to two-phase cooling represents a pivotal moment where infrastructure can scale exponentially without compromising sustainability goals. This evolution mirrors the industry's past shifts but offers a more robust path forward by decoupling performance gains from water consumption, thereby enabling the deployment of next-generation AI hardware in diverse geographical locations. In conclusion, the interview underscores that solving the thermal and energy constraints of AI is essential for realizing the full potential of future computing capabilities. Zutacore's focus on two-phase liquid cooling serves as a key enabler for this transition, allowing operators to build infrastructure that supports exponential growth in AI workloads while adhering to environmental responsibilities. The dialogue illustrates that the path forward requires innovative engineering solutions that prioritize efficiency and sustainability alongside raw power. As the demand for AI continues to surge, adopting these advanced cooling technologies will be vital for maintaining momentum in the digital economy without exhausting critical natural resources or overburdening energy grids.
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[music] >> Good morning and welcome to JSA TV where we're covering the stories, trends, and innovations from digital infrastructure leaders. Today we're live at Data Cloud USA in beautiful, sunny Austin, Texas. With me I have Dan Wood, SVP of AI Silicon and I'm sorry, SVP AI Silicon and head of product. There we go. How are you this morning, Dan? >> I'm doing great, Nicole. Thanks for having me. Really happy to be here. >> Wonderful. We're glad to have you. The first question this morning is how is AI changing the way that digital infrastructure is being designed, built, and operated? >> Great question. Well, I think in general AI is the single biggest challenge of our generation. I'm an AI maximalist. I believe that we have insatiable growth for the AI capabilities. So, for data center operators, it's really a good question. How do you build the infrastructure to enable exponential growth in compute while balancing it with energy, water, and sustainability requirements? >> Yeah, that's a good That's a good one. It's a big balance, right? >> It's very hard to do. Yes. >> So, what solutions will you say have the greatest impact on the industry's growing power challenges? >> So, I'm actually a GPU guy, even though I'm at a liquid cooling company, ZutaCore. 30 years as an executive companies like Intel and AMD, designing and defining the silicon road maps. And so, what I saw looking forward is thermals are the constraint and energy to future growth. And people care about tokens per second per dollar per megawatt. How do you get there? Chips are getting more powerful, more power hungry. So, with advanced cooling solutions, you're able to design more powerful chips and do so in a sustainable way. So, similar to how the industry was air-cooled for a very long time, and then suddenly >> Yes. >> all at once, it became water-based liquid cooling. >> Right. >> We see clearly that water is running out of headroom with its ability to cool, and so by moving to dual-phase liquid cooling, which is what my company focuses on, it unlocks the capability for more powerful chips to be delivered in the future, to raise that tokens per second. It does it with less energy, meaning more energy towards compute, or saving energy for the community, and it does it in an entirely waterless way. So, we see that this cooling technology is really an unlock for maximizing tokens per second, minimizing watts, and being responsible for the community. >> Yeah, amazing. And I think we're going to have to start thinking about the communities, aren't we? >> Absolutely. >> All right. So, in one word, what factor do you think will define digital infrastructure? >> Maximum tokens per second, dollar per watt, responsibly with liquid cooling. >> All right. We're going to put dashes between that and make it one word for you. >> [laughter] >> Sounds good. >> All right. Thank you so much for joining us. >> Yeah, you bet. Thank you for having me. >> Of course. And to our viewers, stay curious, stay connected, and happy networking. >> [music] [music]