Beauty Standards, Twitter & AI Girlfriends - Mark Normand

if I kiss you that doesn't make me gay I just did a gay thing for a second and if I make a racist joke or say a a bad word I don't mean that thing I just did it for a second you see what I'm saying but how many gay things do you have to do before you become gay I think it's all up here it's like being a woman I ident you identify suck a and be straight yeah yeah cuz it's sucking a is a is just a physical act but actually wanting to suck a that's when you're gay interesting blow you can blow me right now and I won't call you gay I promise wait are we on yeah sure oh jeez I didn't know that let's say that we're on Mark Norman welcome Hey comedy uh I didn't know if I was going to trash those other Comics you just mentioned so I had to had to make sure um good to be here thanks man new studio uh yeah different we're in a new place I like this place it's very very cool yeah it is it's kind of like what I imagine the inside of a of a dildo looks like hey this is the Fleshlight right here yeah ribbed for your pleasure smells weird too and it's a little sticky but yeah um so you're seeing Tom seur at some point I think while you're in town he's just finished a 300 date tour wo what do people who have never been on tour that look at comedians that are traveling the world and think Ah that's cool that' be good to do what do they not know about what T life's actually like well there's there's a couple different kind there's the and the two extremes would be seura and Bert which and their friends they're yin and yang and uh Bert is is a drunk fat guy who's partying where seura has a trainer every morning at 8:00 a.m. he doesn't really drink he eats well he he's uh playing the piano he's writing so that's really the tour life you know just which one are you on that spectrum and I I'm more towards Bert and I'm worried because I'm GNA die but that's really that's really what it is touring is grueling and it looks fun we show you the Instagram of us on a jet or or at the big arena with the shant and the the the curtains but it's a lot of get up what are we doing today oh we got to go to the airport oh the airport's in a different language we got to figure this out it's it's a lot of logistics and that part sucks but it's fun yeah I I don't know I guess the reality from the outside is tons of travel loads of packing and unpacking yes being in and out of hotels nightmare it's all a blur it's like that montage and Fight Club where he's just going from place to place and you're like who am I where am I what's going on on uh I got to write a new joke is that joke so you're on the flight in any moment you have you're like all right I got to rest and think about my ACT yeah I I I guess um Ryan long was talking about this as well that the reality of tour life is so different to what people sort of idealize and what I think most guys are doing at the moment is these little weekends right you just jump out spend a weekend two nights three nights if you can and then you come back and it's like I kind of have a life but then I don't have a life and then I yes have a life and I don't but you're going to Australia I'm going for a month but those weekends are that's ideal because you get to escape you hate your girlfriend you hate your husband you hate your wife you hate your apartment you hate your city I live in New York it's say hobos and and [ __ ] on the street and Subways so then you get to go to Denver and you're like oh I'll smoke weed I'll go get a hike I'll do shows and then I'll come back so it's perfect it's like a built-in marriage saver have you heard of digital blackace oo wait a minute is that where you act black on online kind of yeah so this is from CNN if you're white and you've posted a gift or a meme of a black person to express a strong emotion you may be guilty of wearing digital blackace right to John Blake maybe you shared that viral video of Kimberly Sweet Brown Wilkins telling a reporter after narrowly escaping an apartment fire ain't nobody got time for that you posted that Meme of supermodel Tyra Banks exploding in anger on America's Next Top Model if you're black and you've shared such online images you get a pass but if you're white you may have inadvertently perpetuated one of the most Insidious forms of contemporary racism you may be wearing digital black face simply put digital black face is 21st century Min Minal sea Min minst wow I mean I thought I was being inclusive by adding some black people in my memes and my gifts isn't that diverse I'm diversifying my gifts appropriating I guess so jeez I asked Jordan Peterson what uh color Emoji he uses and and he said black oh really that's funny you can't get in trouble I mean we're all using the eggplant that's black is it oh you based on size size and you know it's a dark shade of purple but you know Mulan is what Italians call black people and that means eggplant that's the uh that's the N word for Italians you're kidding me yes and what M Mulan Like These Mulan over here stole our truck and it means eggplant itans eggplant in Italian but that's their nword wow oh yeah Italians don't give a [ __ ] they don't give a [ __ ] and it sounds cool mulard it just sounds pretty way less offensive than hard aring your way through some like racial TI raade exactly they also call [ __ ] people [ __ ] no I'm just kidding but that would be I'm sure they got a cool word for that too but yeah digital blackface man you got to be careful out there well they know number one threat to America is white supremacy according to our president so uh that's an interesting one I see I like this stuff because it just shows that we're not that racist if we have to look this far to find racism that's a good sign that maybe we're not as racist as we so I learned about this idea called concept creep which you'll probably be familiar with but the way that it's sort of come across or being used I guess in um the modern world is is super super interesting because let's say that there's a a bar of racism that needs to be or there is a a demand for racism a bar of that's called a biker bar all right sorry there's a demand for racism that needs to be met and if racism isn't getting bigger what you need to do is expand the definition of it in order to maintain the supply perfect yeah so concept creep is when the demand for racism outstrips the supply of racism which means you need to continually make more and more things racist to keep that level high wow see I love when these these smart people come up with terms because it just solidifies it all right there it succinctly explains it well if you think about there are a number of people who's basically entire careers you know this CNN reporter they need to write an article John Blake needs to write an article for CNN for today God what am I going to write about is well you're the racism guy like you specialize in racism you got to go get out there find yourself some digital blackface and that's now the thing but yeah I think looking at fascinating looking at uh the increased um dilution of what different types of bigotism and obas and whatevers the reason for that is that there is a lack of Supply but still an amount of demand it's kind of like uh crackheads well like you start out with a good good solid crack rock and then eventually like maybe I mix baking soda and a frog's ass and like a peroxide I'll get high and it's not actually drugs anymore but you just you need to open it up a little more to get high because you can't get the crack so you're saying modern day racism is like poor quality drugs yeah it stepped on right you know it's it's got baby like I want this pure racism where pure racism that we you know that good oldfashioned Colombian direct from The Source Jim Crow that was pure cut cocaine you know Jim Crow KKK the the what do you call the hoses with the dogs civil rights stuff that was that was pure cut and now we're stepping on it with [ __ ] baby black face yeah exactly ex digal blackface is baby powder for that right I sent you earlier on a video about Dove yeah that was great so for the people that haven't seen Dove is on a mission to challenge and change female representation in video games and help make gaming a positive space for women and girls so they've created this video of a like superhero girl superhero and they she slays this this evil baddy and then she gets back into the changing room and takes her armor off and gains 80s yeah that was odd immediately and then like sits down puts her hands behind her back and realizes I don't need to wear the armor that is holding me in and then she goes out and like keeps on fighting but now she's 80b bigger yeah um female characters in games do not accurately represent the diverse Gamers of the world and are often heavily sexualized and created within narrow unrealistic beauty standards 74% of girls feel unrepresented in video games um I'm looking forward to the Call of Duty lizo skin dropping I want to unlock I want to unlock lizo Call of too big of a Target the terrorist it's too easy but here's my thing with a couple things I love the idea of the animator being like the director's like we need her fatter so he's like oh [ __ ] all right so he has to make her bigger but also I get it look it's all I'm all about helping women and having them being represented but aren't we going it's it's getting hacky now like Miller Light Bud Light all the uh Starbucks had a big commercial with the Trans and you're like well now it's just hacked the whole thing with the marketing and and uh stuff like this like this kind of art you got to go a new way isn't that the whole point of uh being original like when they Zig you zag and they're all zagging everybody's going in the same direction yeah so I'm like to me it's not even about the the woke [ __ ] or whatever you want to call it it's like you're just being unoriginal now it's boring it's boring well I think the main concern that people it's kind of the same as the like Supply demand problem for racism which is it doesn't seem genuine yes it's forced yeah completely forced completely what do you call that uh starts with a C contrived Dam thank you you nailed it [ __ ] yeah wow tapped in we're tapped in together periods are sync that's menstrual cycle exactly menstrual um cycle menstrually cycle um so yeah I I think it's just that people don't believe that this is is this actually coming from a place of genuine sympathy or is this coming from what's it called woke washing W washing M Avenue yeah I learned uh what was the [ __ ] thing woke washing is allowing br Brands to monetize virtue signaling it conceals the less altruistic business practices so millerite and Bud Light you know there two good examples that you brought up there they'll where are they getting their tin from is anybody looking at the aluminium that goes into the cans is anybody like looking at the production processes are they meeting sanitation standards are they doing all the rest of it and it's like no but they gave Dylan mulany six a six-pack with her face on it that's like enough to look over there look over there you don't need to look over here thing and I think with the do dub maybe actually does feel a little bit like um a company that for a long time has been fighting for different beauty standards they've done Stu with skin like trying to get representation for different girls but if you're going to fight the good fight it doesn't feel like video games are the place that girls are looking to find their representation exactly and they there was no soap in that commercial there was not one bar of soap not a lather not a lotion nothing yeah exactly it was just video gaming I'm like I don't know it's also weird that we have to shoehorn women sure there are women Gamers I'm sure but like it doesn't feel like that's their their big uh demo is these these fat ladies like like advertise on uh Vander pump rules like every lady I know my wife included has like six girls over they're all watching it I walk in they're like sh you know selling sunset or some other [ __ ] like that yeah the what's the bigger girl on selling Sunset exactly exactly but she's not there which is also probably why doing well you know it goes back to the Barbie it's like Barbie's unrealistic and I'm like yeah yeah but who wants a realistic toy you know but women think they're going to think they have to look like that I'm like maybe they want to look like that or maybe you know uh that's that's okay if you want to like I every superhero I had was jacked I don't want a fat superhero I'm not jacked someone I put this out on Twitter earlier on and someone replied and said um they can't wait for a version of katos you know from God War are you familiar with that guy like just like a jacked God God figure type guy can't wait for skinny fat kattos or um Solid Snake from uh to be creeping around but he's lost a foot G to diabetes like I don't know just there seems to me if you need if you're so narcissistic that you need direct representation in your avatar in a computer game there are bigger problems than Simply Having a full of figured Avatar are going to be able to fix yes completely and it's just human nature we like to look at attractive things I mean every president who won has been taller every I think maybe except for one but it's always a taller guy who wins full head of hair helps yeah yeah I mean it's it's in men too like we we want our men looking the right way as well what was that was it Nixon did he do some famous uh debate and he was one of them was sweaty and the other one wasn't sweaty he did one on radio and one against Kennedy cuz you couldn't see how good-looking Kennedy was and then when they TV aired it Kennedy won that pretty privilege man yeah I don't know I I think it's just it's such a shame that you have conversations that get captured by like there're are much longer levers than trying to fix yes whether or not girls are being misrepresented in video games exactly and uh let's talk to the ladies see what they think also it just first of all I feel so forced but oh I forgot my point you said something say say what you said again maybe it'll jum that it oh I got it back thank you that's all I needed was your sweet sweet English voice so oh I lost it again say it again start talking oh I got it I got it I got it so that was real but uh you mentioned the the tin can where's that coming from and then like here's a perfect example Kaepernick everybody's blowing Kaepernick he's kneeling he hates police I get it Nike the biggest example of all sweat shops you know we need the Asian fingers to make the shoes and all that and you can Overlook that because you're looking at the guy with the afro who's got the fist up and you go hey I'm a good person but when you say to people well what about the sweat shop people they go ah and you're like no no no you you're not not allowed to go me with the sweat shop and like Kaepernick you have to if you're such a morally good person and Superior correct you have to agree to both but they just they just shut one out and that's where I get pissed well hpoc Ry is just like the perfect uh tool that people want to point out on the internet right because For the First Time Ever we have this um locked in stone history of every single thing that we've said precisely as we said it at the times that we said it and it allows you to say hang on you you're making this point now but I can see that that's not exactly aligned with what you used to say previously right so one of my smart Friends the one that taught me about concept creep he also taught me that in the modern world our opinions and our Deeds have never been further apart in the past any opinion and any deed would have ended up being stress tested at some point if you say that you're a good person in 20,000 years ago around the campfire and yet every time you go out hunting you don't bring back meat for everybody else you just bring it for your family eventually someone's going to go well come on you keep you keep saying that you're a good person right whereas on Twitter no one ever actually ends up scrutinizing the way that you show up in the real world you can be the most empathetic Pro female person in the world you go home and beat your wife yes and nobody knows well for the most part nobody knows and then when people get rumbled for it that's why it feels so satisfying to us yes I think that it's because we have this sense that a lot of the people who push virtual real virtual beauty or push digital blackface is something that should genuinely be cared about are just doing performative empathy I don't think that we believe that it's true completely right but the problem with the the empathy is like when you're on the other side of it like let's say you're la who you know big and her thing is like well you said because she was the happy Dancy nice lady and then we found out she was a a CZ everybody flipped on her because she was performing uh but the problem is Ellen could be like well I donate a million dollars of Charity I do all this I help the homeless I help old people but we just know about the thing yes so you don't get that redeeming part and we love Sam Harris had a great point he said if you if the first time you hear about somebody is when they've done something wrong maybe don't jump to hate them that's the first thing you've heard about them what about all the other good [ __ ] they did but we don't care about that we just go oh Michael J fox said [ __ ] in 88 I've never heard of this guy like if you're some young person I've never heard of Michael J fox I hate him now and you're like you hate him now because you heard one thing about him on the in a headline but you just you totally disregard his whole other life it's crazy it's a shame that we sort of jump to conclusions so quickly and this difference between opinions and deeds the fact that you're able to behave in one way and say a different thing and people will care about what you say more than what you do because what you do is never seen exactly but it also means that when you do try and actually put some empathy across that gets scrutinized too oh well maybe you're just doing this be no I genuinely care I care about this movement or I care about this group of people or This Is Me Being Earnest or or vulnerable or open and not for some perverse reason I'm doing this because I actually care about a thing and immediately people use the same uh idea the methodology the skepticism they have about all the other [ __ ] from all of the other people that have been doing the concept creep Supply demand [ __ ] and then they apply it to you and you go like I and I think that disincentivizes people from do genuine completely altruism as well I agree yeah it's it's a it's a tough time makes people just not want to do anything and just hang back so they don't get yelled at you seem to be quite a positive person generally yeah yeah I think so how do you avoid getting drawn into cynicism and there is this sort of culture of negativity and cynicism on the internet what's your prophylactic against that what do you what what condom are you weing well I I hear the the old post and ghost I'm a big on that and uh my friend he works with Louis CK a lot so he gets a lot of hate you know so he just started blocking everybody and he's like I don't even hear them anymore like anybody who says one thing I just start blocking him on Twitter or whatever and uh so it just eventually he kind of like cleaned it out and I'm like that's pretty good but you still have to go in and read it to block it yeah so I don't want to do that so I just kind of I let it go and there I'm sure there's fires going on all over and I just try to put out of my mind and that protects your mental space relatively well it seems relatively well I mean I've definitely had my my weeks of like sleepless nights I'm like this guy said this uh it Taps into some [ __ ] up thought you had about yourself and it validates all the evil thoughts you have and then it just it just mushroom clouds in your brain and you're in the shower going uh maybe I am attracted to kids you know or whatever the [ __ ] and I'm I'm not but uh you know people can just get in your head and you know when I was 15 I was like am I gay maybe I'm gay am I gay and I had this friend who was super hot and ripped and I blew him no but I had this friend he was super hot I kept being like am I attracted to I don't know I don't know and it's the same you can do that with anything like am I racist what the hell and I'm like hanging out with a bunch of black guys last night at the mothership and you're just like what am I I'm not racist but you just your brain can go in these [ __ ] up places especially mine mine can really turn on me it's so funny that you can question your own like sense of self completely because of what somebody's just pred or poked you in the direction of at the right time and that's really what Twitter is it's this weird little prodding and Colin Quinn describes it as you're giving yourself schizophrenia because it's literally eight million opinions and you're just absorbing all of them and that's what schizophrenia is just 800 voices going off all the time crowdsourcing personal insults from the internet yes yes exactly was it that Sam Sam Harris said that um uh being on Twitter is like the most malignant form of telepathy ever that only allows you into the worst of everybody else's thoughts wow classic classic word smithing from he's the king Mr Harris yeah he is the best I mean I mean there's not a lot of positivity it's not a lot of like I had a great day today just had a hell of a turkey sandwich and I got a great my ass got eaten you don't really see that on Twitter you know it's just you know ah this guy's racist he's a be a piece of [ __ ] whatever yeah that's an idea for a future tweet you could throw that out talking about whatever it is that you've eaten and then what when you've been eaten yeah I the avoiding the cynicism things it's a tough one man and I I really I'm really trying to sort of slowly nudge myself away from it really trying to rail against it yeah um just seeing what happens if you do try and give people a little bit more hope you know Michael malice you familiar with Michael smart guy yeah so he he wrote this book about um the period from sort of 1920 1910 up to 1990 in Russia and it's all about the the absolute Terrors of Communism and famine and all sorts of crazy [ __ ] his point was we thought that this was the worst that the world could ever ever get this is how low things sank these are the terrible stories of famine and prison and mistreatment and children and all this sort of stuff and the good guys won so his argument it was called the white pill the book and the reason for that was that he said if you think that the evil people always win here is the most Stark example of the evil people losing oh thank God but the problem is it took 90 years or whatever you said that's the problem is you want it to happen next week but it it takes so long and then you know like black people were marginalized and oppressed and all this and now I feel like they're doing doing well uh but now it's kind of like [ __ ] Whitey so we're going to be in that for a while and then that'll go away but it just it just sucks when your your life and your adulthood is like right in the middle of the [ __ ] part that's a really good point I I often you know there was this really interesting study I remember seeing ages ago that looked at the difference if you were born in I want to say 1920 or 1930 and if you were born in 1920 you grew up during the formative years when you needed nutrition being the Great Depression then by the time that the war came around you were conscripted to go and fight yes and then let's say that you survived both of those traumas you finally came out and like died in the 70s or some [ __ ] like that let's say whereas if you were born in 1930 you got to you weren't conscripted you came out the other side you got to live most of your glor years through swinging 60s 7s psychedelic Revolution you know increased equality all this sort of stuff and um yeah I do wonder sometimes in retrospect what am I going to think about the generation that I was a part of totally throwing a pandemic throwing 911 throwing uh the George Floyd stuff like it's a wild time but you know the 60s were wild they MLK got shot they went to the moon uh Vietnam so there's always uh there's always bad [ __ ] but the problem is this is new bad [ __ ] with the internet this is all unprecedented yeah novel novel problems yes yeah so we're not only we figure out how to deal with it we don't know what the hell it is and it's it's all new and kids are killing themselves and girls are depressed and you know 60% of teenage girls say that they have persistent or regular feelings of hopelessness unbelievable it's so sad and you know like the 60s you mentioned growing up then or in the 20s and then the 30s and the depression and all that World War I 2 I bet they were happier you think I bet they were happier because you had a goal it's like depression got to get bread got to get food got to get some water now I'm in World War I got to stay alive got to stay alive now it's World got to stay alive you know the the the Air Raids you know I think that was at least somewhat we have a common enemy we got a common goal to survive now it's just like this looming cloud of sadness and like did I get enough clicks and is this person going to drag me online and you know it's just it's this weird kind of UNG grabbable sadness where before it was very like the Russians are going to shoot us or Hitler's bad or whatever ambient anxiety dang that's good yeah we're in a and but it's the I totally get that um the directionless the fact that you don't have a single call it an enemy or a life goal or you know direction that you're moving toward means that you kind of just get distracted by everything and I think a lot of people have this sense that a lot of their mental time and their sanity is taken up worrying about things that probably don't matter yes right that just the number of cycles that your brain goes through per day having thoughts that tomorrow you're not going to be glad that you had can remember who it was that says um uh the bizarre thing about life is that it has to be lived forward but only makes sense in Reverse oh that's good when you think about the fact that you know you look back over the last five years of your life maybe from 10 years ago until 5 years ago you can kind of oh yeah well I understand I was I was here and that's why I was here and then this thing happened and then that changed me and then whatever and then you look at now and you go what the [ __ ] am I doing yeah like why what why what what are all of these different contributing elements and am I doing it right am I doing it right I might be doing it wrong and should I be doing it should I even change it exactly I know it's uh it's tough because you know you know when you get into a a relationship and you're like man I I want to get out I hate this girl she hates me all we do is fight and then you break up and you're like I miss her I love her so much the relation was perfect and I think we're going to look back on it like that like right now it's like this looming what did you say amb anxiet ambient anxiety which sucks and it it's always in my brain and I hate it and I can't shake it but I think when I'm 80 I'm going to look back and go man the internet those are wild time porn only fans uh Stormy Daniels Rachel Z we're going to look back and go wow that was [ __ ] nuts because we're not going to remember all the am be thinking about Stormy Daniels on your at oh I I like to jerk off to her cuz I I know her it's fun to jerk off someone who's on the news you know you get to see the CNN story and then go right to her text you can text right away yeah yeah so uh it's it's a cooky time but I think you got to just press on and my thing is I use the internet like you want to [ __ ] with my head well I'm going to use you and get everything I can get out of you meaning like post Clips do podcast share everything reach a bigger audience so there are perks it's like fire it can burn your house down but it can cook your food yeah yeah that's interesting I think um looking at how to use the internet more healthily is a challenge for everybody that's trying to make anything right yeah because as soon as you post something there's inevitable criticism I know and posting ghosts not a bad solution for that or just do a salmon completely torpedo your entire account and just exit exit the internet at large that's another solution I guess my friend did that and he lost 30 lbs he's like happier he sees his kids more cuz when you really look at your phone and think about it like you get that screen time thing oh what a kick in the balls that is my wife's always like I have no time and I'm like I watched you look at Tik Tok for 2 hours two you could have watched a movie you could have read a book you could have flown to to to Florida or not uh AI companions are being created to fill the role of sexy and playful girlfriend uhoh amaranth is an only fans content creator who is one of the most followed women on Twitch and now she's releasing an AI companion of herself called AI amaranth so her fans can interact with a version of her they can chat with her ask questions and even receive voice voice responses oh no I mean guys are [ __ ] young dudes are [ __ ] it's not good because you used to Young uglier you know what is this the top percent 10 per of guys who all get laid and then the rest are just incel School shooters and uh you know basement dwellers yeah exactly so those guys are all going to turn to this the the path of least resistance always wins so one of the push backs that I spoke to one of my friends William Costello about this evolutionary psychology guy the problem you have with AI girlfriends is that there is no Prestige associated in having one because there's no process of selection it's the same way it's the same way as saying um I subscribe to amaranth's only fans account and IO special and you go well anybody who has the price of a spare cheeseburger per month can subscribe to the only fans so it doesn't make you special yeah that's good his his thought like a slight white pill that's in there is it should be able to Salve people that are very lonely but it's not going to take the place of genuine females because it's not sufficiently satisfying there's no Prestige because you're not being selected and the selection thing is very important I completely agree and that's good that we if we start praising these guys like my AI girlfriend's hotter than your AI girlfriend then we're [ __ ] but the fact that it's not impressive is a good sign cuz that means it won't be it won't be uh praised with AI amaranth fans will receive instant voice responses to any burning question they may have whether it's a fleeting curiosity or a profound desire amaranth's AI counterpart will be there to provide assistance I got a Cris spot made not that people can access but that I can use for asking it questions on q&as and uh I used it and the ease that these guys can do so they could just take every podcast episode that you've ever been on yeah run that through a language learning model and there you go there's a moderately accurate mark Digi digim Mark oh my God marbot that's a bummer yeah sorry folks you don't want two of this that's not good could you imagine how ridiculous a AI version of you would be oh God I know I'd be late first of all but uh even the AI one be like but I heard a comic Go on stage because all these Comics are worried about Ai and he did I'm GNA read a a a joke I wrote and a joke that AI wrote in my voice and you see if you can tell and he and he did both and his joke was so much better and it made me feel a lot of relief ah you're still at light years ahead of what the AI bot can write yeah because joke comed's all context you know and computers can't feel context and I think that's that's a big part of it uh computer can have a Twist and a setup and a punch but it doesn't doesn't have that little you know when a joke bombs as a comedian go well that bombed and that gets a laugh but I I don't think AI could do that someone said on a podcast I was listening to will know that AI are fully conscious when it exits the interaction and regrets not saying the funny thing that it should have done as it's on its way down the wow that's brilliant yeah that's killer but like here's a great here's a great old joke uh you know the this is Junior stopus joke brilliant comedian he goes uh the Holocaust actually had a lot of mentally challenged people in it but you never see pictures of them because they're all smiling and it's a great joke but AI could never be that Twisted to think of that and that's why I love comedy there was a uh a it's it called dark is it called darkbot which it they tried to do a a version of chat GPT but the whole thing was trained on the dark net as opposed to on the surface web yeah so this is all of the [ __ ] up only access custom access forums and like dark versions of forchan and [ __ ] like that and they trained this thing on that and I don't know maybe that'll be able to do the the [ __ ] up joks I'm not sure but maybe I hope I think I would be worried if I was a YouTube thumbnail Creator if I was a middling uh legal sort of litigation person if that's the worry yeah or if I was like maybe a a radiologist that's looking at scans that are kind of relatively easy to break down so those kind of you know they're still quite complex jobs but those jobs that are a little bit more automated I think comedy is probably going to be one of the ones that's safe for a little bit longer at least totally and you like a guy or a girl you know you go I like Ali Wong you know even if I don't love that last joke she said or whatever you just like her or you relate to her or you connect with her and I think with a radiologist there's no none of that yes so it's not just the context of the joke it's the context of the person that tells the joke completely you know people go Joe Rogan that's my guy that's my guy he's he's he's he fits for me would happily laugh at something even if it was totally [ __ ] they've got this warm feeling yeah I mean I I saw jodu a set it was maybe the first one that I saw of him and uh at least I would say 20% of it was storytelling you know there was it was humorous or whatever but it was like he did this bit about is it what's the animal that's got the females have got like a clip dick is that a coyote or oh is that um uh left hyena hyena maybe yeah maybe and you're like you're hearing him talk and it's kind of entertain but we're like 90 minutes into learning about the like the unique physiology of female hyenas or something I'm like this is just a a miniature version of of the podcast so it's not necessarily even to do with the joke so a lot of the time people go because they just feel comfortable listening to this person Speak oh this is familiar also you know Joe actually gives a [ __ ] about that and that makes you give a [ __ ] a little more like he's not this this is kind of funny like he's actually interested in that hyena [ __ ] yes so that helps but like Tom Hanks Tom Hanks I don't know anything about Tom Hanks but we love him we love Tom if he's in a movie you just it bumps up the box office tenfold because we all love Tom Hanks we know zero about him except that he's been a [ __ ] of a military guy a baseball player you know an astronaut but I don't know anything about does he like chocolate is he pedophile or whatever you know but you like him have you ever been down the Tom hanks's of the Illuminati Rabbit Hole I don't want to go that's terrifying we're going so I don't even know what the Illuminati is it's a guys in a room with masks on this one if anybody wants to look at it Google uh Tom Hanks glove Instagram photo so there's a sequence of people that take photos famous people that take photos and I think Tom was taking photos of lost gloves that was his thing so you'd see one on the street and you take a photo and he put it on his Instagram and in a bunch of the different photos people had found uh chalk text that had been written on the floor below it and it's downtown [ __ ] Denver or some [ __ ] so you know it could just be anything but people then started putting these codes in on the internet and bro it's such a rabbit hole [ __ ] it's terrifying so interesting terrifying yeah I wouldn't I don't want to go you seen Tom hanks's son Chad I love that guy wild hilarious absolutely wild dude I love that guy good for him when he when he stopped that lady he's like yeah yeah I don't give a [ __ ] and she's like you just think it's this this he's like like yeah that's what I think it is and I was like yeah [ __ ] this lady have you uh have you ever had people kind of trying I don't know um flumix you and I don't know how much newsy interview real press [ __ ] you do not a ton but I I've definitely had people like so you think this and they keep trying to gotcha you and you're like what are we doing here I thought we were just going to hang out and talk or or be funny and they're like but you so you're saying a lot of say you're saying I'm like no I'm not saying that at all stop telling me what I'm thinking you know but that's what we do because they want that clip or they want that that win and it's a real bummer you know so you uh you think Ivor mechon is whatever I'm like I'm just say it's a Pulitzer prizewinning drug it's taken by millions oh so you don't think it's horse I'm like you haven't heard of ior Mech until 2 days ago and now you're like wildly angry about it you know like I'm not the weirdo here you're the weirdo I I'm I'm agnostic I don't give a [ __ ] I'm neutral speaking of uh try to stay neutral Forest Gump and Tom Hanks one of my friends is running across America at the moment so he's doing uh 64 65 days 50 m a day so I think a few thousand people have been to the top of Everest 300 people have run across America wow yeah so he's going to be the fastest bre guy called will gu um gu hey uh if people want to go and check him out they can Google will gu and support the running [ __ ] like that but he's in where is he now he's in the Appalachian Mountains Pennsylvania he's going from LA to New York good for him have you heard this new thing taken over where people do a 12-h hour walk yes one of my friends did this on Sunday really yep and they say after about 6 seven hour first of all your feet are bleeding you know but your brain goes to these places cuz we're so used to just being constantly entertained phone screen computer TV Netflix but it just go oh third grade teacher oh summer camp and you just go to these crazy memory banks and it's pretty wild all of the times that you were molested is going to go back up yeah yeah I don't need to walk for that um but I think uh this is the new craze is this like shutting down Amish uh full on disconnect well what's that what's that Jewish thing that people Shabbat is it what's the thing where they that is something shabbat shalom where they do they don't use any the Sabbath kind of I think I'm pretty sure it's called Shabbat anyway it's from Friday evening until I think Saturday and they don't turn on any lights they don't do any work they don't blah blah blah but I'm pretty sure sure that in really really hardcore uh Jewish households for some of the things that they need to do they have it's almost like a Shabbat servant to do things like turning on and off the oven made this up right no no they'll people in Brooklyn these Orthodox guys like can you come in here and turn the light on you're kidding I swear to God because they can't do it so some some kid in the neighborhood's like all right and just flips it on that's so funny it's so silly religion is so many dumb loopholes and stuff like that where are you living now in New York I'm in the West Village Um Manhattan okay so is that on the island on the island baby you know grich Village that's Bob Dylan bleer Street Washington Square Park the comedy seller the whole thing NYU did you purposefully pick the distance from that to the salad so you didn't have to go too far to work well I've always wanted to live in the village just being a kid growing up in the South just think about a granitech village wow you know Bill Cosby Woody Allen all the other rapists but uh you know they would play these coffee houses and and all that stuff so beat Nick and folk music and all that so I always loved it so I moved to New York lived in Brooklyn way out got mugged got beat up all that [ __ ] bed bugs and then slowly moved my way to Greenwich Village I saw this story from some girl in New York women are wearing a safety layer over their outfits in public to deter creepy men with many labeling it sad but necessary this girl captioned a clip uh the real fit is underneath apparently it's because of weird men on the Underground others who hadn't heard of this trend expressed how sad but necessary it is this is sad someone else called it uh what's it called a fashion safety layer or the men blocker whoa but there's all of these stories about just how bad New York Subway is at the moment totally yeah have you been on it recently yeah I go every day it's pretty dicey like what's it like people that live in I don't know London where the underground is absolutely fine or Tokyo where it's also absolutely fine what what's the experience of getting on the subway like at the moment well the thing with the subway is there's a there's a the hobo count went up way M way high after the pandemic and so the subway is a place where you have a trapped person like you know you rump into a guy on the sidewalk on Broadway and he's like give me your money or I'll kill you whatever you're like all right just keep walking but the subway you're waiting for the train or you're on the train so I think hobos have been like I can get people there the doors are closed you know you'd have to run up the stairs or wait for the subway to stop so I think it started out as like now they're on the subway I can get money out of them but now it's kind of like I'll also fight you why did the population increase I think all the people moved out or stayed indoors during the pandemic so the homeless kind of got a little more Brazen and like we have the city to ourselves what was that award ceremony where there was tons of homeless people was it the Golden Globes or the Oscars or something and they had they had to shift a ton of yeah yeah were living in there there was like ACH of homeless people lot of tent tent homes and stuff and they had they toio coming 24y old girlfriend and then once he's G through they're fine exactly yeah well there was that story about that guy who restrained a a dude that was under warrant and arrest and all this stuff and now he's it's not looking too good for him that guy went from hero to to murderer in like one second yeah [ __ ] brutal that's not uncommon to see well I'm sure that someone killing somebody on the or restraining somebody to death uh is uncommon but like aggression and and no not uncom at all people getting pushed on the tracks uh just getting I have friends who just got randomly punched in the head you know it's just it's just crazy people out and about mingling with millions of New Yorkers so it's there's going to be some tension it's wild the especially if you think coming from the UK where we have the underground tons you know it's not as big as New York it's not far off loads of tracks everything's complex different layers it's the same it's the same system yeah the tube and it's lovely an almost pleasant experience borderline Pleasant no this is uh this is like head on a swivel all the time I had a conversation with a friend uh couple of nights ago and he was in he lives in Tokyo and as he gets on a train he was having to text me on Whatsapp in response to my conversation through his airpods because nobody speaks you're not you don't speak no one speaks is that right no one speaks wow and he was so concerned like there was some things where he was finding it we were talking he was laughing so I could hear him stifling a laugh doing like a whisper laugh whil on the subway cuz he didn't want to make any noise that that's a little much yes you know I'd rather somewhere in the middle of the choking out and the texting but that leads to a lot of repression too like my point my point being that you can be very civilized like with the right culture you're able to control Behavior pretty well so for people to say it's inevitable if you've got a ton of people living in a city and they're all going to be underground you know they like it's just it's part for the cost what do you expect them to do you go well like behave in any way that the rest of the world does yeah maybe I know it'd be nice but that's just not part of the culture and as much as we [ __ ] on America and America's racist and full of hate and bigoted and gun tote and fat people which there are we pretty considerate and pretty uh lenient with uh nut jobs where in China or Japan I feel like if some guy's wearing tattered clothes and smells like [ __ ] and going ah I'm G to kill all of you they'll just [ __ ] knock that guy out put him in a sack tase him and throw him over the bridge no he's going to make your shoes yeah yeah to a desk and make your shoes there's this uh company called Nine line apparel and they just did the owner just found out about they did a a test on the fabric of a particular um garment supplier and they were able to trace all of the garments back to weer workers sustain supposed to be sustainably sourced but it's not and um wow yeah it's [ __ ] crazy dude there's like millions of people maybe strapped to literally tied to desks just sewing cheap unreal fast fashioned stuff right now 2023 right now unreal and no one cares no one's doing a thing about it not one tweet meanwhile in America nobody wants to work cuz they're like I need Healthcare I need Dental I need free coffee I need snacks I need vacation time like my wife used to work at LinkedIn I would go there it was beautiful I would hang out there it was like pillows everywhere and espresso machines and candy and a and like a a what do you call ice cream booth you know and you could just go I'm like this is the the chefs were making lunch every day it was incredible meanwhile you the Wagers are tied to the desk a desk yeah they got the [ __ ] suicide net outside the Apple company Apple Factory you seen uh the South Park episode where Cartman gets a job no oh it's phenomenal it's from this newest season so uh buts gets a job at an ice cream parlor and Cartman's jealous because he wants a job as well buts is his referral and says that's okay like you can come and work but everyone's like dude this he's not going to last and someone makes a bet that he won't last for two hours and 5 minutes into the shift the boss comes over and Cartman's sat on his phone and he says what are you doing he says I'm taking a mental health break and 5 minutes later he says oh it's um it's like take it easy Tuesday and then I'm looking forwards to walk out early Wednesday like it just by the by the end of it he's ringing Butters from home whilst he's taking a mental health leave Day saying you do know that we're earning all of this money for the ruthless guy that owns it and we're the ones that are doing the work we really should own that place yeah and uh they're on the money man like it's those guys they they're such Geniuses cuz they nail everything and are funny and they never do interviews or anything so you don't really know how they think but they just they got it they get it right every time [ __ ] on everybody yeah it's it's beautiful and no one [ __ ] with them cuz they're a cartoon yeah well unless they put a image of Muhammad up which they did from you remember that yeah that got ugly eight years ago or something yeah yeah well that's a whole another he's like the ultimate Karen Muhammad you know he's like hey how dare you we're g to shut this thing down it's not him oh yeah that's true but the his his you know lackes yeah yeah that is a it was they did Andrew Tate as well appeared in in the last episode of South Park this season so they started with uh Prince Harry T beautiful I mean there's a wealth of Comedy out there now it's so good Megan Markle and you know dozol as I mentioned Trump it's just what's happening with dozel she's on only fans you're kidding me oh I'm a subscriber yeah what do you know what she's doing uh you know fingering tits the whole thing fingering tits yeah well she's she's going all in she's you know it's a and and I use her as gifts cuz it's not black but it counts you know it's it's close enough so I saw this story about uh Prince Harry has lost a legal challenge over his bid to be allowed to make private payments for the police his lawyers Wanted jurisdictional review of the rejection of his offer to pay for protection in the UK uh a judge ruled not to give the goahead home office lawyers have opposed the idea of allowing wealthy people to buy security from the police so I wasn't really too sure about how I felt about this I don't what is it can you uh translate that so Prince Harry no longer has his normal protection from being a royal because he lost his Royal status he it seems has security concerns when he travels to the UK so his plan was to just pay for police to come with him so that there would be a degree of protection but also so that it didn't chew into the police's budget for whichever area of the country he in got it so you'll have seen that um the mother ship there is a like a low-key couple of cops that are on site and they're paid for privately but they're you know official cop I'm going to presume that they're not they're probably off duty still sanctioned yeah I think I don't really know how it works up until I'd seen that I'd never really heard about anybody being able to pay for private police protection but it actually makes a good bit of sense because if you don't if you don't allow somebody that's going to be heavily scrutinized and and caused loads of you know G for amongst the public to actually have some protection they're going to have to go in any case to do crowd control so just let them pay I guess but they said no no they said no I think there's a big a big problem especially in the UK of allowing like wealth in the UK is really really looked down on especially ostentation yeah so if you were to say I'm going to use the money that I've AC acred to buy the usage of what is typically seen as a uh a public service it's one of the reasons why people in the UK forget that you can get private healthare because the NHS is there so they would happily wait 6 months for their cancer to metastasize so they can get their scan for free right then think about paying for insurance they'll pay for their dogs Insurance English Bulldog that'll be hundred bucks a month or a couple hundred bucks a month yeah but they won't think about doing it for themselves interesting uh and I think that the UK has a bit of a problem with people using wealth especially to sort of chew up Services wow well hey I mean you know this kind of feels like the the defund the police people who immediately call the police right when Anything Goes Down uh what's his F you know Coleman Hughes yeah I like that guy yeah he's great he was on CNN a couple of nights ago and they were talking about why have we got these increases in crime and homicides and D D D D D and it got toward the end of the segment and Coleman was like I have an idea like what is it and he said refund the police and they cut the segment short shortly after that we're going to have to we'll leave it there Coleman thank you see that's what bugs me not to spin off at another thing but that's what bugs me about the times we're living in is I don't you know I I get that we can't have certain opinions but we should at least be able to discuss everything like I know that's a different differentiating opinion than CNN you know they have to go with the narrative they have to go with the check boxes but let's hear them out you know like like you bring up drag queens and I don't give a [ __ ] about drag I don't have kids it doesn't affect me but just bring it up my friend was like oh dude dude let's not even go there and I'm like why not that's the weird part no no on a podcast but that's why it it weirds me out I'm like so we can't talk about it to not be able to talk about it to me is weirder than the actual activity and that's what no one is understanding you know they're like oh you got a problem with drag queens are you like drag queens I'm like no no I'm neutral but I'd like to discuss it and see if we get somewh situation it's an interesting situation but then they're like shut it down shut it down or cut that out I'm like now that's the scary part to cut that out what are you so scared of what is that feeling like oh this is this is bad we're in the red shut it down abort I'm like that's what worries me well it's because nobody is not allowed to have an opinion on everything anymore like everybody has to have an opinion right on absolutely everything and uh and I just want to learn I'm an idiot so I want to learn more but they just like trans is a big one I so what's up with TR if this is that then what's up with that and you go and you're like well now now I'm really interested it's kind of like when I was a kid I was I always was an atheist and you know you go so wait If Heaven is real and Heaven is uh Blissful eternity then are you old in heaven because that wouldn't be Blissful I'd rather be young also is my grandma in there and is she old or is she young and you start asking and they go ah shut the [ __ ] up yeah how dare you uh you know talking the the name of God and all this [ __ ] you know the lord's name in vain and you're like oh you have no answer and I feel like that's the same with all this stuff and I just want to learn I'm not trashing heaven I'd love to go to heaven but I want to get to the bottom of it and they get they start getting angry and that's what worries me my friend's got this uh theory of bespoke [ __ ] many people don't have an opinion until they ask for it at which point they Cobble together a Viewpoint from women half remembered hea before deciding that this two-minute old makeshift opinion will be their new Hill to die ah that's [ __ ] perfect who is this guy yeah it's the same dude all on fire Ginder Bogle yeah he wrote this phenomenal article on he's like I forced this guy onto the show probably every three or four months or so and he's basically a digital ghost apart from tweeting aphorisms like that and writing awesome substacks and uh I just like drag him Kicking and Screaming Place him on a podcast and then he sces away and learns more good [ __ ] and then I drag him back and bring him back on again here's the question why does he have to be a digital ghost because he's doesn't want all the backlash and the [ __ ] but like we're just trying to learn that way it does seem that way the um the the fact that everybody feels like they need to have an opinion on everything means that you remember the uh silence is violence oh that was a good one silence is compliance yeah thing it's like well if you if you're pushing people to take a particular position and you can only allow them to either be for or against a thing you're going to lose all of the interesting stuff and people are just going to check out of having conversations completely they're not going to bother and it's only silence is violence if you don't if you're not saying my thing you know like it's like when people go we need more diversity and you're like what do you mean like you need more people who look like me like oh you want you want to be on the show you know you you're not thinking about the uh Pacific Islander you know or the wheelchair guy you're thinking about you so I get that we're all selfish at the end of the day but you get to be selfish and mask it with this guise of of uh moral superiority PR the performative empathy thing is one of the reasons why I think everyone I I do think it contributes to the cynicism because it's so hard to work out whether someone's being genuine or not yes yes is is this person actually doing thing that they say that they do because they care yes or are they doing it because they know that it's an effective current social Trend to ride off the back of exactly exactly and you can see which way the wind's blowing and most people I think just go I'll go that way because I don't want to deal with getting yelled at and backlash and remember what is it only 10% of Americans have a Twitter account so 90% of Americans don't have a Twitter account wow which means that you know and I think on Twitter it's around about 95% of tweets are created by less than 20 or 10% of the users so even there is a small cohort of people from the world who are on Twitter and within the people that are on Twitter there is a small cohort of them who produce almost all of the content so the overwhelming majority opinion that you see is actually unbelievably unrepresentative like incredibly small and biased CU all of the people that TW tweet a lot you know there will be something in common that everybody has it's like you see someone post a something negative or there's a flood of negative comments and you go I wonder what all of those people have got in common cuz they will there will be some things some elements of Personality that will contribute to have that be the cas it's not a representative sample no no but they they swarm they'll swarm on you and it feels like a million people Jonathan height called it death by uh little needles you know just like you know one one needle prick you're like was weird but a million of them coming at you that hurts John Height's doing some interesting stuff you seen that he's writing his entire book publicly at the moment what does that mean so he he's got I think it's maybe a substack or some other sort of mailing list and he's got this book that's going to be out at some point in the future and each maybe few pages or each chapter as he writes them he's just publishing oh as he goes That's pretty and then he's getting feedback in the comments and then presumably we'll be making adjustments before the final book comedy it's like standup yes wow he's doing a live act and then editing yes based on reaction you did a special I did one yeah it comes out July 25th on Netflix and they let me say everything they I mean I really go hard I was shocked at no notes so I think maybe things are changing or maybe Netflix wants because any press is good press so when you mean notes it was you were able to submit it and they didn't say we can't have that joke and take the RW out all that no Holocaust trans it's all in there and uh everything's a joke everything gets a laugh but it's uh it's all the all the hot button topics well I asked Schultz this question do you think that there's any joke that is so extreme that it shouldn't be told I don't but I'm a comedian who likes [ __ ] up jokes he said uh is it funny that's I completely agree and I was like uh yeah yeah oh sorry I would apparently it matters funny is everything it's a standup comedy show at the end of the day even if someone has a non-offensive joke that isn't funny I say get rid of it it doesn't matter if it's offensive or edgy or whatever or or not edgy get rid of it either way if it's not getting a laugh funny is a is a you know what's that Oscar wild if you're going to tell the truth you better be funny or they'll kill you and I think that's so true and I would say the same for these people who their whole Act is like I was molested I was the a victim of racism and you're like that's easy anybody get molested or be a victim of racism that's easy what what the hard part is to get in the laugh anybody get molested that's not an accomplishment you know it's it sucks but we got to get the the Haas in there that's what St comedy did that's why it's an art form and that's why it's fun it's the whole point yeah I uh I was using this example did you see true Jordi do you know who that is I I've I've heard heard of him but I don't know YouTube guy from the UK and he does podcasts guy big tattoos and um he's from the city where I used to live and U hates Jake Paul hates Jake Paul I think not a massive fan of Jake Paul um he told a joke him and Andrew Tate had had a run in for quite a long time and someone asked on a live stream forever ago uh what do you think about Andrew Tate's recent conversion to Islam and Brian TR Jordi said uh he should prove it to us all by blowing himself up that's a good line that's a good joke yeah it's a legitimate joke and Andrew said the same he was like it was obvious misdirect he was playing off tropes like it's just it's classic joke classic yeah and he got within 24 hours uh my protein dropped him jimm shark dropped him Poké Stars dropped him and he was banned on Twitch wow 24 hours see that's that's horrible and what annoys me about when people were like he's got money he'll be fine shut up he's fine you're like he lost all that that sucks that's over a joke so when they say like oh shut up with you're complaining you can't oh comics can't say anything look I still say everything I want but this guy said one quick Zing about a guy who's pretty well hated and he still got in trouble yeah that sucks I hate the whole he'll be fine because you're like Okay so let's say you call Michael Jordan the nword at a game he's a millionaire blah he he went to work the next day he's fine so that that doesn't matter you it still should matter I don't get why calling someone a bigot and then calling someone the n-word is is uh not the same well the the problem that you have especially if you look at I don't know someone's quality of life based on how much money they're able to earn or how much money they've got in the bank account completely disregards the fact that status is so important to the way that we feel about ourselves right if you have this massive downfall in terms of everybody hates you and there's all of this bad stuff and you know if someone's righteously indignant about the joke that you made against their religion or their race or their disability or their advertising campaign or whatever they're going to be unhappy but like that person is going to suffer a lot you have to be really really [ __ ] hard nose to go through a massive downfall totally what was it that Rogan said like the way that he dealt with his little his thing a couple of years ago was like a moderate dose of mushrooms pretty much every single day like that was one of the framework like training a lot and I did a ice bath and my diet was clean and I took a lot of mushrooms yeah and you think well I don't know man like that's a lot of stuff just through the day precisely from somebody that's got an awfully long way to fall you I could acrude a good bit of status and and Goodwill below them and still there's all of these things that you need to do oh he'll be fine well I don't know like the daily psychedelics and the the training suggests that it's not just the sort of thing that you can easily get through I I think it's horrible I I think calling someone a a [ __ ] is mean that hurts their feelings I get it it's funny but I get it when they're like hey we got to stop saying that word and I think the same goes for people who just call everybody racist or a bigot or a transphobe or whatever when they're not you know like if I if I kiss you that doesn't make me gay I just did a gay thing for a second and if I make a racist joke or say a a bad word I don't mean that thing I just did it for a second you see what I'm saying and that's what bugs me at what point did you become gay I think when you're attracted to men but how many gay things do you have to do before you become gay I think it's all up here it's like being a woman I ident you identify suck a dick and be straight yeah yeah cuz sucking a dick is a is just a physical act act but actually wanting to suck a dick that's when you're gay interesting yeah so blow you can blow me right now and I won't call you gay I promise that mustache I want to jizz all over it yeah I've been trying to sort of really uh Channel my 1970s Miami cop it looks good good yeah [ __ ] yeah I'd sit on that hey I'm a I'm a Rangers Fan I'm a Texas Rangers Fan now got baseball what do I need to know what like about American sport what are the the skills that I need to be able to watch American sport well what do you mean the skills you got to be fat you got to be drunk yeah these things there what should cuz I haven't been to a baseball game since I've moved here what should I expect get a cold beer you got to learn the hey and then there's also the whole culture of like trashing the guy from the stands like you call that a throw what I've seen better throws on a pillow or whatever on a rug you know and that's all fun in games and then maybe you can catch a fly ball that's big then you got to give it to the [ __ ] cancer kid with the bald head so there's all kinds of tropes um it's fun it's fun you get out in the sun take your shirt off live it up man it's the American Pastime [ __ ] yeah I'm sunflower seeds I needed I decided that I needed a uh I needed something I needed a sport and a team that I could follow on Texas Rangers owned by what were the reasons we wanted um place that had a nice Stadium Place that wasn't more than three hours away place that was owned by racists and it turns out that George George Bush that the bush family's just heavily invested in the brand new stadium for the Rangers I love it so we got all three oh you're going to have a blast I went to when I went to Australia one time I went to I don't even know the name with a sport cricket quid Cricket that was the thing was it Cricket go careful here this is the sport of my childhood no no it wasn't crickets I know Cricket that's got the paddle y this was more of a soccery rugby kind of thing oh Aussie Rules Football maybe that was it and it was amazing yeah went to the big Stadium the whole play o o o and it was incredible cool have you seen uh hurling have you seen that the Irish sport no so you've seen lacrosse yes with the Nets the Nets and the thing and they they like run like that yeah so imagine that but instead of it being a net and a little ball it's a wooden like a big hockey stick and they run sort of balancing the ball on the hockey stick what but it means that they can swing this thing unbelievably hard none of the players have got any teeth it's like whoa It's kind of the same as ice hockey without the ice or the skating wow it's absolutely ruthless you have to balance it while running while running yeah so they do this it's [ __ ] crazy man hurling look at up and they can hit you with the stick they swing through a lot of the time you my Lord no helmet uh I can't remember I feel like the goalies got a helmet but not them so much and then there's gaic football if you've seen that which is literally like halfway between rugby and football so they have the rugby stands with the the thing and the bottom bit has got a net and got a goie in it so you got to try and score in that you can get it over the top and there's other bits and pieces they play they play a I love it well what about UFC that's to me that's my favorite is that what you're spending a lot of time watching at the moment that's my number one I like a one-on-one like I like tennis too I like one-on-one I like the mental part of it I like the different like this fighter is better than this fighter but he can still beat him because of the style differences you know I love that kind of stuff and I love learning you know Nate Diaz is a character Conor McGregor is a character uh style Bender you get to know them whereas football is just a bunch of nameless faceless helmets and I like that where you you can kind of get to it's more like standup I went to Columbia at the start of the year to get stem cells so I spent a full week in medine and my w incl Clinic like patient partner was Alain Sterling whoa so I got to spend a full week with him what's he like [ __ ] cool dude yeah very just like a chill like it's a compliment but unbelievably normal yeah like incredibly normal and I get the sense that if I'd spent the week with sugar sha it would have been less normal with Conor McGregor it would have been less normal but there are you know this is you know getting toward being super super dominant within what do he three time defending champ now I think yeah something like that after the 135 belt yeah and uh next fight's going to be against sugar sha so yeah he he was really really normal super nice guy texted his team on the night that he had the fight and wished him good luck and stuff and it's [ __ ] cool man what they're doing haven't hasn't the UFC partnered with WWE oh is that right I hope not I'm pretty I'm absolutely certain WWE UFC I promise you that I'm going to bring this up I hope it doesn't get too wrestle yeah where are we uh the yeah the WWE UFC merger whoa yeah this is a month old now World Wrestling Entertainment WrestleMania is the biggest event uh on April 2nd the second day of WrestleMania CNBC broke the news that the WWE is to be sold to Hollywood talent agency ende Dev group Holdings Endeavor which also owns the UFC is to merge the two iconic complimentary Global sports and entertainment Brands to form a new $21 billion plus live sports and entertainment oh no they took the money Dana White you cck God damn it I hope there's not I don't want to see just engage you get hit with a folding chair how far are we going to take this I hope they don't mesh too much bring the Dudley boys back like yeah what is it a Royal Rumble but in the Octagon right now Rogan's going to have to be a the new slim JY guy oh yeah oh boy yeah funny man I don't know I feel like everything kind of descends towards WWE well it's interesting because WWE basically what they did was they realized if we got rid of the sport element of the sport and we tried to create all of the drama as effectively as possible what would we end up zeroing in on so they've split tested the same way that you have with jokes for forever yeah they've split tested what makes a compelling character and a narrative and rivalry and story yes so when people say uh this is becoming like WWE what they mean is this is descending more into Showmanship it what what's happened is WWWE has captured the most effective way to create rivalry and Intrigue and storyline in sport you know what I mean completely 100% I mean it's as old as time good guy bad guy the fitt Battle of the strongest wins and then you get the we hate you more you're the heel and you play it up it's it's it's it's nothing new but it works well that's Jake Paul right Jake Paul's you know professionalized the heel yeah someone [ __ ] said about that when there was talk about before Andrew Tate was under house arrest uh there was talk about Jake Paul versus an Andrew Tate fight and you think who's the bad guy right who's supposed to be the bad guy in this fight well I will take it one step further this Jake Paul tape but there's also AOC and margerie Taylor green that's also WWE [ __ ] did you see the image the AI only fans inh enhanced image of AOC no please lay it on me I'm going to get hard I'm wearing a bathing suit here dude it's so [ __ ] good I text she's very attractive I texted this to Rogan a couple of weeks ago oh come on yeah that's that's nothing to sneeze at and it pretty the caption above it says will you give me your guns now and the Tweet is you give me your guns I'll give you these cannons the top the top rated comment was uh what was it uh this is an attack quick objectifying the people who are helping to make our country and the place it needs to be the right and write the wrongs of the past and give way for the future I was like you nearly killed my erection there good [Laughter] try oh oh man but that's the other thing is uh I I talked to Schultz about this I think when the Miller Light ad came out he's like look I get it women started Brewing first but can't we just have fun can't we just enjoy beer that's the real problem with the ads it's not like I don't think a lot of people like [ __ ] women put them in bikinis ah it's just like I I'm just getting lectured here about a [ __ ] poison that I want to drink to forget about my job you know well it's I think one of the main problems people have is they just seem like such humous Pricks yes yes exactly you're not Charming you're not Charming for the people that haven't seen especially the British people haven't seen this Miller Light ad it was basically snuck in under the radar at the same time as the Dylan Mulaney thing and I think it the lady that's presenting it is maybe a LGBT person too yeah and she's walking through a museum and saying women brw beer and how did we reward them we rewarded them by putting them in bikinis and it cuts to a 1990s ad of two girls mud wrestling in the midle Street and it's like you buy a millerite and you're into girls mud wrestling or whatever which is true people that drink millerite probably are into that sort of stuff and then the lady's castigating anybody that thinks that's cool and he's like we're committed to changing the and he just think I think a lot of things first off I think how [ __ ] tonee you need to be about your own audience yeah how [ __ ] confident do you need to be in your share price and your sales figures oo yeah and how little fun are you exactly so humorous I know like why can't uh progressiveness and inclusiveness be fun too like what also not to be this guy but what's so bad about bikinis like aren't all these women on only fans very empowering you know I thought that was empowering like hey we're taking our sexuality back we we make money on it we do what we want that's empowering I'm allowed to objectify myself but you're not allowed to objectify me I guess but it's not like we we tased a woman and knocked her out and put her in a burlap sack and then said you're in this bikini commercial or we'll kill you you know she I'm sure thousands of women auditioned and were like I got it I got the Miller Light ad with the twins well do you remember Diet Coke that yes all of the women looking out over that no guy not one guy complained about that I'm looking forward to becoming skinny fat in middle age and being able to point at that and say that was what caused me to lose my gains I was objectified I didn't want to be seen as a sex object not just piece of meat it's so funny how bad I want to be objectified I would love a woman to objectify me but I guess it's a supply and demand they get it so much that they're like I'm annoyed I've got no objectification left to give Mark I'm afraid yeah there's no more yeah it's uh it's so [ __ ] weird man I just I really hope that we're around the corner from something that's going to be different in terms of like cultural memes cuz I'm kind of exhausted of it as well well I think I think a lot of people are and I think it's almost like a fever breaking like these Bud Light and Miller Light and the Starbucks and the the Starbucks thing the Starbucks is a it's pretty great it's a old Indian guy and he gets a call from his son so the sun pops up on the screen and he's like ah damn and then in comes his new daughter so that the sun transitioned so the daughter comes in and he's like [ __ ] you know he's all angry and the mom's like come on be nice and he's like you know what you're right let's get a coffee and that's the ad so he accepted as trans daughter they bond over going to Starbucks yes exactly but it's just so forced and I think it's great that he's accepting his trans daughter that's great and it's I'm all for the love and everything I want everybody to get along fake Indian man is accepting his fake Indian Indian trans daughter exactly to then go and shamelessly shill a multi-billion dollar yes Enterprise exactly and my my joke was he's I think he's really mad because his brother did the operation you know the the Indian doctor but yeah I I just think it it just feels forced and again why can't it be a funny ad like if it's cool with trans person person transitioning but like make it fun why does it have to be so somber and and educational dude the millerite the budlight thing they're releasing I saw this earlier on budlight is set to launch a line of camouflage aluminium bottles that promote the folds of Honor program which provides educational scholarships for families of fallen and disabled am American military service members and First Responders the New York Post respond reported so basically there is just this permanent flip-flop between the two now the budlight thing relatively very unpopular opinion for me to say I feel bad for budlight because that was evidently a small influencer campaign mhm that some portion some advertising exec somewhere that's not in no position but isn't the [ __ ] owner right and isn't the shareholders and isn't all of the people that do most of their things some small portion that didn't have sufficient oversight decided that they were just going to Chuck this set of cans to Dill mulany not realizing how badly it was going to go down M and now two huge big dick marketing execs have been fired this has been halted and now they're trying to do all of this backtracking stuff so even within that and I don't think that Dylan mulany is going to tap into the core demographic of Bud Light drers even within that what you see is the desire for people on both sides of the fence to become offended like immediately you want to have this knee-jerk reaction to be able to go see see this [ __ ] woke washing these cooked [ __ ] leftist organiz they' they took our beer like they took everything and I don't deny that it's a [ __ ] shitty idea it's a shitty advertising campaign that doesn't Target get the right people and I don't think that Dylan Mia should have been used but I do also think that going does this represent how long's budlight been around prob [ __ ] forever right is this really oh finally here's the mask off that shows that they were the America hating leftist cook CCP sympathizing bastards that we thought of all along well you say that if somebody says one accidentally slightly UNT racist thing that that doesn't color their entire history H but you're not necessarily prepared to give the same that's good that's good great of freedom to the other side great call Great call so you're saying to the to the people angry about the the new Trans guy or trans lady being the sponsor you can't just judge it all on one commercial yeah yeah I I completely agree and if you like Bud Light just keep drinking it Bud light's a good beer it's a good beer and it's very popular reason what was it they had uh the budlight has reportedly told saers that it will buy back unsold cases of beer that have pass their expiration date uh 23% down year on your sales last week wow and they're doing um camouflage print in an effort to boost sales they're doing all sorts of stuff so there I mean [ __ ] dude can you imagine being I don't know who the CEO or the chief MD or whatever of budl light and waking up one morning and going uh like looking at your phone and being like sir we're trending oh brilliant brilliant what for it's not brilliant sir right right but what about the whole any press is good press is that just is that a myth cuz this is the most press you can get it's all we're talking about it's all any I mean any Comedy Club if someone's drinking a Bud Light it's boom right to you joke joke joke Y how can this not be good does budlight know something we don't know and then every other beer company and Starbucks and all these other Dove are doing it so is there something where missing or or is this just a huge [ __ ] up I think it's a [ __ ] up so I have a friend who has spent a lot of time doing e-commerce and they've split tested bigger girls and they've split tested girls that are fit and he told me we have all of the data bigger girls don't sell clothes yeah so when you look at Victoria Secret someone that's trying to undo their CIS heteronormative patriarchal misogynistic presuppositions of what a woman's body shape is supposed to be like they are paying a price with their Top Line and their bottom line and eventually some shareholder somewhere that owns [ __ ] 15% of the company is going to look at a report and say what's going on here what's this and you go ah no so it's this you see it's this really cool social movement that we're a part of at the moment it's like it's real it's it's super Progressive it's very good you know for the the Gen Zed uh 15 to 18 sort of leftly and he's going to say get [ __ ] where's put the girls that sell clothes back on the website so there is some critic like get work go broke uh I have a friend that's done a [ __ ] ton of analysis on this and the Gillette ad from a few years ago didn't didn't impact long-term didn't impact their positioning and a couple of others I'd love him to run the stats back on these and see what happens longer term I think really huge Brands like a budlight or a Nike Nike with uh Colin Kaepernick tons of people took offense to that campaign MH Nik I I I wear them every single day yeah first off when it's a product if the product's good you kind of don't care I don't care and secondly if it's a big enough brand over a long enough period of time people forget true you know but like it may take them it may take them five years probably won't but it may take them five years to get themselves back and we realize that we made some mistakes with this thing and and they they'll be back selling B un soon enough of course of course it's a it's a fun blip in the whole thing and we get to trash it and make fun of it but I do appreciate the swing they took a swing they seemed like they were the first one to try it and it was a big swing and it [ __ ] up but sometimes you got to try a a crazy idea and sometimes it [ __ ] up like like got milk got milk was huge what's got milk got milk was this ad milk was just going down in America everybody hated milk it just people turned on it got milk was this one ad where a guy's eating a peanut butter sandwich and it's all close up and he's watching a movie and he's like and the phone rings and and he's like ho ho and it's like you've won the million-dollar prize just got to answer this one question and that whatever the question was was about dinosaurs and they show his wall and it's full of dinosaur posters he knows everything about D got diaramas and all this [ __ ] and he's like and they're like we can't understand you you lost and then it goes got milk like a milk glass of milk would have gotten the food down right huge ad campaign people had t-shirts got milk just billboard said got milk milk skyrocketed it went through the roof and it changed everything milk stocks had never been higher huge milk stocks so I think Bud Light was like it's so crazy it might just work so I think you take a shot every now and then that's kind of fun yeah I I don't know man again with the delivery let's say that they and this would be an interesting question to ask you know the most Ardent like Matt Walsh I'd love to ask Matt Walsh hey Matt had it have been funny or entertaining yeah what would you have thought like would it have been cuz we said is there a joke that's so offensive that it should never be told if it's funny no I agree right so if an advert is entertaining and good should it have not been put out you go well there's probably some limits because it kind of creates uh role model you know talking about kids and positioning and [ __ ] like that but it's what 21 plus in this country pretty much every state in order to be able to drink uh so I don't know it had it have been had it been entertaining but it just yeah I wondered I wanted to find this out um can you imagine how much you could sell a Dylan mulany can of Bud Light for cuz there was only six pack of them that was ever created if she started oh huge money crazy that's like that monkey nft you know that's going to be billions B ape yeah B ape B Dylan yeah but I do think there is they were tapping into something the right way I think there's controversy can lead to huge numbers and huge sales not trans controversy when you're a beer brand I guess not but like Lil nasx you know that guy blood yeah he's not gay I heard so not gay he's not gay it's just all uh uh adding on to his his brand Google this is Lil NZ X and A lot of people hate him because he's gay he's a devil guy he's against conservative values Christian values Lil Nar X came out as gay being the only artist to do so whilst having a number one record but you're saying I'm saying that was a a branding move very smart marketing very smart Lil Naz X came out his G on the last day of pride month whilst he was number one that seems feels very calculated L NAX says music industry wants lgbtq plus artists to be gay without being gay this is pretty good now this is just what I heard I'm not saying want to be more gay prove it blow me get yourself in here yeah I saw him uh I saw him perform at Austin City Limits oh wow last year like that's one of those things you know when you see you've been to see a ton of bands and they're the shows are between a th and 2,000 and it's like a b it's like a normal band right and then you go and see a performance like a little nasx thing and the guy is sprinting off stage to do [ __ ] costume changes and [ __ ] in between songs and it's all choreographed and there's dance numbers and then he comes out and he's on a harness and he's flying through the air and there's a helicopter and like all sorts of stuff you go oh okay this is different this is like this is something else this is no longer a musical rendition this is a [ __ ] like this performance art EX right right and I think I think what's genius about him is Bud Light you have to go Bud byy Bud Light and people see you drink out a bar and everybody makes fun of you this you can put in your iPod and your your earphones and you still sell the song but you don't have to be seen with it no public branding yeah did you see when Harry Potter first came out and it was super popular and people hadn't read it but adults didn't want to be seen in public reading a children's book oh they released adult covers of Harry Potter so that it looked less children need genius uh so I wonder whether people are going to get koozies that they can slot over their Bud Light yeah it says Corona yeah yeah well they should do this for Kitty porn just put a an adult woman on the cover and then there you go all right that's my last Kitty porn pedophile joke cuz it's getting a little weird I asked uh an ethicist a porn ethicist whether or not uh Illustrated like anime or Manga child porn is unethical manga you like you like anime okay Manga and Anime like hentai right Goa got I guess it would be called uh whether that's unethical uh because let's say that you're able to reduce real world harm by having illustrations nobody's been hurt with the illustrations apart from perhaps the illustrator interesting and you're getting it out a little bit now you don't have to touch a kid cuz you're getting it out at home real world's uh concerns have been real world damage is being reduced I thought that was it's pedophile methodone well here's another is a is a child sex robot unethical yeah yeah that is tough well I think this you could say this for Woody Allen like aside from the uh touching his daughter's accusations he married his adopted kid right sun and obviously that's weird but they're still married they love each other is it wrong [ __ ] crazy man so I learned about um why we have incest diversion Ryan long was going to try and do he texted me about like he listened to the episod where I spoke about he's like I'm going to try and work this into a into a set I like dude if you manage to get this concept into a set I'll be very [ __ ] impressed yeah so the reason that do you have brothers or sisters older brother Okay cool so the reason that you don't want to [ __ ] your brother is something called the Wester Mark effect so between the ages of about 2 and I think it's 12 there is is a window of time and if you are around another young child who you see interacting with your parents in particular kinds of ways there is a a bucket in your mind that that individual goes into that means that you're going to be sexually repulsed by them now the reason that this is interesting is you can imagine a scenario in which twins maybe or brother and sister are separated at Birth or separated perhaps in early childhood and then come together later on and they can find that they've got loads in common well of course you do you share maybe 50% or 25% of your genetics together um so they go apart and then they come back and you go you know how disgusting is it how terrible is it for brother and sister to have sex like it's pretty bad like they're going to procreate it's pretty bad but the reason that you have an aversion to it has got nothing to do with your genetics it's everything to do with this Western Mark window and the same thing happens interesting with fathers so if you have an absentee father you know a lot of single mother households and stuff where kids grow up in Father leaves comes back into the daughter's life perhaps at 16 for whatever reason and maybe some daddy issues might contribute to it but generally you there is a a lack of incest aversion that goes on there from sleeping so you got this father that comes back in you got the abandonment finally being accepted by a man a man that I have a lot in common with course you do you know he's literally 50% of your jeans yeah pretty [ __ ] crazy so this West Mark window is is a a key period and you can also have another way um adopted siblings who are not genetically related can find massive incest aversion to each other even though yeah because they just went through that window together yeah wow how cool that's super cool and I'm lucky cuz my family is not attractive so that helps but wow that is thank God for that that that's a good uh advertisement for for the nuclear family together to make sure that you keep your brothers and sisters apart yes clip it [ __ ] yeah that's a great commercial uh Target partners with a Satanist brand for Pride collection uh Liv laugh lesbian a new Pride collection introduced by Target includes clothing made by a uk-based brand whose designer has expressed Satanist views a london-based company created t-shirts and tote bags that include messages like live laugh lesbian cure transphobia not trans people too queer me and we belong everywhere uh they made kids uh what do to do a devil liking the devil they also made some like Satanist stuff in the past apparently also sells apparel that includes satanic imagery including pentagrams horn skulls and references to the devil so here's here's a thing did you see was it Sam Smith he performed as like a a big black blob kind of thing yeah white guy but like big black blob oh yeah he was wearing a black inflatable kind of he came out and he was like there was horns and whatever whatever uh and a bunch of people especially sort of Christian commentators were like you see it's this Satanist thing and I get it but it does seem like the more conspiratorial elements of of America I don't think that it's great to have a devil up on stage but I don't know I to me there's no more existential difference between that and it being Mickey Mouse or it being you know like for anything else it's just good point it's all fake yeah yeah I don't believe in the devil either no but like if had Santa Claus up on stage it's what you represent it's like well but the difference is the devil's equated with evil yeah okay evil Santa Claus like [ __ ] know like if you had Thanos if someone went up and they would right right Darth Vader yeah yeah I don't know it's just it's the moral Panic to some regard over like satanic imagery I don't know my position on it yet I might come back come around to it in a couple of years time and say actually yeah no [ __ ] you we can't have this it's turning all of the kids into satanists right well it's funny what imagery you're allowed have like uh somebody I can't remember who some comunity had a great bit about how as a kid you could dress up as a pirate and Pirates are rapists and thieves and pieces of [ __ ] like drunkards and they would steal your boat and take take your money and your women Jing yeah but like if you dress up was a Nazi you're a piece of [ __ ] but like they're both evil Pirates are one of the few fancy dress categories that as of yet the canellation H hasn't come yeah that's true I think cuz there's nothing to take from them except I don't know an eye patch or I don't know it's all these like uh like Captain Phillips did you ever see that movie yes yeah those are pirate those are the modern day Pirates yeah if you dressed your son up as a Somali yeah yeah exactly but it's just weird how like like Tony Soprano is like this praised guy he's a cool guy but he's a [ __ ] sociopathic murderer yes you know but we we pick and choose like well he had a family and he was funny and likable but he was a murderer but that's the thing if you're able to be charming and funny and and entertaining with it people will allow so much oh yeah like Barack Obama I look I don't know anything about politics but all I hear is he killed millions of people and all these innocent families and he bombed them uh but he's cool as [ __ ] and good looking good speaker fun recently narrated a series on Netflix about nature I think did some nature [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] that he uh did all those things I mean it's horrible I guess but I you know out of sight out of mind well wasn't that the same Bill Clinton's widely regarded as one of the most Charming people that's this earth right anybody that's ever met him in person felt like they were the only one in the room there's all of these stories millions of stories right I've heard about this and you go yeah can see can see why he managed to get through all of the different scandals and all the rest of it so yeah there's um charm I guess goes a long way it's like Samuel Jackson said it's one Charming [ __ ] Pig uh Pulp Fiction but yeah like he's like I don't dig on swine because it's the same reason we don't eat dogs they're Charming but we eat pigs cuz they're gross and ugly didn't you once say that charm is makeup for men yes wow good memory well done what do you mean well I mean like like you know when you have like a one night stand most guys typically want the lady to get out of there because we don't want to be Charming again it's a lot of work being Charming is exhausting so like you just want to be done with it and I think women feel the same way where you're like hey you want to come over and they're like ah I'm not wearing makeup but I don't want to put it on and put on an outfit I'm in my pajamas here so that's our our makeup Charming confidence I'm not confident but I gotta fake it on a date you've got to put the effort in you got to ramp it up beforehand exactly so when guys are like I need this girl out of my apartment uh it's just cuz we're I need a minute I need a break to be myself yes to fought and pick my feet and yeah my wife L her to death but when we started dating I would go on the road and I would come back and you know be a six- hour flight and she's like come over and I'm like I would lie and say my flight was later just to buy me a couple hours at the house where I could just fart and sh be a [ __ ] and take a dump and watch you a couple minutes of YouTube and all that wow yeah and she's like you don't like me she took it person I'm like no it's not even about you it's just me I got to be a piece of [ __ ] such a decrepit awful hate hateful creature I you need you don't want to see me like when I'm like this like girls like uh they got the kiwis on their eyes or whatever yeah don't look at me don't look at me I haven't got my makeup on yet exactly that's our version yes very [ __ ] good Mark Norman ladies and gentlemen what have you got coming up next people in Australia can they buy tickets buy tickets we're adding shows like crazy I go I don't know when this comes out it'll be out in a week okay great so I'll be there now tickets are still on sale going to New Zealand Perth Brisbane Adelaide uh Sydney you name it and then you don't say new tour announcement coming out in August the tickets are on sale now they're on my website and a new special in July [ __ ] yeah it's all happening things are cooking it's all downhill from here appreciate you man thank you this was fun what's happening people thank you very much for tuning in if you enjoyed that episode then press 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