Beast Games Winner Breaks Silence on $10,000,000 Prize, MrBeast, and Getting Fired

so let me get this straight you won the largest cash prize in entertainment history this is about to be the most important decision of all of your lives I looked at my phone and all of a sudden there's $10 million wired in one in 10 chance what's it like winning $10 million Beast games Beast games Beast games what prompted you to sign up the whole purpose of me getting on the show was to have a platform for my son to talk about his rare disease did you have a strategy going in it's a very social game where you need to make friends you need to earn trust what challenge was the most difficult here's what we're going to do we're going to stick them in a cube for 5 hours and they can ask for anything could you actually get anything so there was a horse ready there were puppies there was a fortune teller pizzas this is what the Beast team Riders probably do when I looked out the window and saw the horse I'm like going what world am I in one of the most memorable moments for me was the coin flip yeah Mr Beast literally lost $5 million of his own money because of a coin flip what was your first impression of Mr Beast I never shared this before but when Jeffrey winner of the largest cash prize in entertainment history $10 million from Beast games thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour oh my pleasure so everyone's dying to know how much is your tax payment great question I'm working on it so I think it all depends on um what I do with the money this year I think the crazy thing about Mr Beast you know he doesn't withhold taxes when he kind of gives it distribution so I literally got $10 million wired to me so it's up to me to do state taxes other withholdings federal taxes and it just depends on kind of how I invest the money when it comes to my son's research and nonprofits so it's uh TBD um we'll tune in about a year what percent do you think you're going to end up paying cuz you're in California and people online have been saying that you're going to have to give half like a $5 million tax bill if you didn't do anything with the dollars and obviously you can correct me if I'm wrong um I would guess that my taxes will be over $5 million if I didn't donate to charity or if I didn't tithe or if I didn't give um anything into a A daf or a CRT now why not move out of California because I would be thinking okay I know I have $5 million come in let's go and move to Las Vegas let's get out of California I thought about it um and I I thought about it before so I've worked in startups my whole life and you know you have these pipe dreams like oh my gosh this is going to be the next Uber or and what happens if you have a distribution of 5 million or 10 million and my wife and I have talked about it but we just have a great support system for our son and for our family um we live directly um close to my wife's sister and their two kids Lucas has a caretaker who's amazing and you know to take them out of their schools and move them away it was just like ah yes it'd be great to save 1.3 or 1.4 million dollar but it's like is it worth it to disrupt our our kids lives and what about your job do you quit your job job after winning that amount of money if I did have a job at the time I would have but uh you know fortunately I got laid off last April so I was leading a sales team for a kind of startup Healthcare company and they went through some restructuring I lost my job which started doing some more entrepreneurial stuff small business stuff um which included kind of applying to Beast games so put it this way I I don't think I'll be going back to a W2 anytime soon how did you find out about the show in the first place like what prompted you to sign up early 2024 um I wanted to do more creative stuff and you know I've done musical theater you know once every 5 years or so and I'm like okay what else is out there so I looked at some casting Billboards and I saw Mr Beast beast games I'm like Oh my oldest son jack has introduced me to Mr Beast we've watched a bunch of videos I see that he's kind of philanthropic I'm like I like this guy and I go if I can apply for this and get on I can be like the cool dad for Jack my nine-year-old but also I could have a platform to talk about my son Lucas's rare disease he's got a rare disease called creatine transport deficiency it's super rare and if I can get on there I can spread awareness to the world about it so where was it posted exactly because I didn't see anything of like hey guys you know apply for Beast games so I I saw it on like a casting billboard you know a website it's called a a casting billboard that kind of says you know we're looking for an extra on this movie or we're looking for a um an actor for this commercial so I saw it there but I have friends who literally applied by seeing an ad on LinkedIn um he also posted it on on X so it wasn't widely advertised and I think that's probably part of it he probably wants people who are looking for it who are trying to um who are really into it so on the casting websites is that like a normal place that you go peruse me no no so it's uh again I in the beginning of 2024 I was kind of like this midlife crisis for me and I was like I want to do more creative stuff so I cold emailed like this modeling agency in San Francisco I'm like I'm trying I want to get into commercials or like I want to just do something where I can express more do do more artistic stuff and so after I signed up for that I signed up for this website to just to see if I can self- Source any gigs and literally within weeks I saw Mr BEP games it's kind of funny you look exactly like the type of guy I would see in a commercial and I mean that in a very complimentary way it's like I could see you in a teeth whitening commercial that was like my number one thing it's a skincare teeth whitening like staying looking youthful even though you're not yeah like like a Just For Men commercial you could be a fake 55y old and everyone's just like how's this guy look 35 hey any Brands out there who are listening please listen to this again and and reach out to me so what is the vetting process like to get on Beast games the application was you have to complete a video that's like 60 seconds or less that says you know why do you want to be on Beast games and what would you do if you won a million dollars and I wrote it on my whiteboard and I put an alarm on my phone like the deadline date I think it was May 31st and guess what May 31st came I haven't done it yet and I'm going oh my gosh how am I going to do this it's Mr Beast it's got to be edited well it's got to be fun and exciting and I just used my webcam and recorded the background in my office was kind of messy but my son was in there Lucas it was just a super simple uh message or super simple video and I'm like I press send I'm like there's no way they're going to choose me like this is so boring and um two weeks later I got I got a call um from a g named Danielle and she said hey we watched your video we liked it we have some more questions but okay I made it past the first step then I do like a social media background check a kind of Health and Wellness background check had to do another video and then another phone call and I'd say you know fast forward a month I finally got the call that says you're in Beast games so they check your social media to make sure that you haven't post any like reprehensible content that's my guess uh and the the other check the health and wellness check is to make sure that you wouldn't like fall down and like yeah I think it's a little bit of how is your you know cardiovascular health like if you you know go through some challenging things how are you going to respond and I think it's also probably a little bit more psychological too is like um there's some questions in there to really see how you would respond to stressful emotional and psychological situations what do some of the questions they ask you I don't know I can't remember but remember offand but they ask the same question many different ways many different times try to get you like slip up I that yeah so I think that's part of it they're trying to make sure people are being honest and not g me the system did they do like a criminal background check or anything do you know I think they did um cuz I remember like you can request a copy of your background check um you know fortunately there's nothing on mine but I would I'd imagine that Amazon and Mr Beast would 100% do that yeah I watched your video I thought it was really it was memorable because you were with your son and your son goes as you're in the middle of a sentence to play the piano behind and you pull him back and be like oh that was great I thought that was really sweet to include your son in that what did your wife think at the time she didn't know I was applying so I didn't tell her I applied until I got in why my wife is like the most amazing wife around she's like the best planner and I know that once I tell her I'm going to do something in her mind she's going to she's going to think about all the logistics that have to take place in order for it to go well so it's okay how long you going to be gone okay what do we need to do what days are you taking the kids to school what who's going to do this for practice okay um who's going to go to the grocery store what like she just will start thinking about solutions to all the challenges this brings um and I just didn't want to do that to her until I for sure knew I was in um but she loved the video once she saw it um but yeah it was like a month later yeah I was curious what people do when they go on a show like this do they quit their jobs do they do they have jobs they could be like hey guys I'm going to be gone you know the contestants in Beast games were awesome and it's just such a wide variety of people but there was you know I met at least a couple dozen people people who quit their jobs and I'm sure there was dozens more there's other people who were kind of either small business owners or um more kind of in the industry you know in the Arts or you know actors um or influencers or content creators so people had a little bit more flexibility but I think most people are kind of go I can go take two weeks off if I go further than that I'm going to have to get created with my job yeah so yeah I was always wondered what people did in those situations or like for money to like not have income for potentially a month I I remember one um a friend of mine kind of took two weeks off and she's like if it goes past this date I have to call my boss and she works for an airline and I have to get super creative on how I'm going to stay and she went super far so like I I I still don't know what her conversation went but I know she's still employed but it's uh I think a lot of people took the leap of faith and took the risk so when you're in there in the city just competing in Beast games do you have access to technology a phone no so the you kind of check in they you you check in your your laptop and your phone and they kind of they seal it so it's only in like a bag that's assigned to you then they put it in kind of a locked room and I didn't have my phone from early August until the middle of September so it was like five weeks where I went without my phone without any internet how do people contact you if if there's an emergency is there a person that someone could reach yeah so uh the Beast team did an awesome job of kind of letting your emergency contact know what's the status in the game so after every challenge you my wife will get a text and go hey by the way Jeffrey made it to the top 500 Jeffrey made it to the top 250 and then it was like Jeffrey made it and is traveling to Panama for the island so it's like it's like kind of cool that she can take this and show my son jack like hey guess what here's what Dad's doing so they keep them in the loop and yeah there's obviously emergency contacts that the Beast team can reach out to and vice versa I would if if I were your wife I'd get so excited to be like oh my gosh top 250 oh my gosh top 100 and like receive those texts it was like a you know I don't know I I I heard it was like a last minute thing that they were going to do to the contestants and I'm like that is like brilliant it's like just a great way to keep the families engaged but yeah it was when I when I first chatted with my wife and son jack they're like it was awesome because it's just like hey any updates how's he doing what's going on yeah it's uh it's just a brilliant way I think that Beast could keep people involved to me it's shocking that it was like 5 weeks for Beast games because as a viewer of Beast games I thought it was like maybe like a week or 10 days felt 5 weeks is like way longer how was it being disconnected from society like reality for that long oh I mean the the first three days are hard first three days like oh my God like you're just like everybody's Phantom reaching for their phone and then you know I'd say probably day four day five you kind of go oh my gosh this is awesome like I feel like I'm in the '90s again I'm a I'm a child of the '90s I I think I had the best time to grow up I was born in 80 so I got to live like sixth seventh grade ride my bikes no one knew where I was and then I get the internet in high school like it was perfect um so it was it was awesome to be disconnected and it just forced people to chat with others and get to know others it's funny you mentioned uh when you were born because we were doing research on you and Wikipedia said 1980 or 1981 oh they think so now they could put us as the source for 1980 we got it guys exactly you pulled it out aside from your family and friends what did you miss most about being aware of what's going on I love to take in information and you know it's just nice to know kind of what's going on or you know I think one thing that like really stuck out to me was like hey what's the price of Bitcoin like um so it was it was just an interesting time to to not have constant information coming in um but I I kind of got my fix you know I I was able to get it like by asking questions to people and getting to know people um I got weirdly obsessed with numbers while I was there like memorizing people's numbers cuz we were we were known by our jersey numbers but you know family and friends the most um you know I talk to my even my mom and dad often and it's just like not having those connections is uh is tough what are your first impressions uh during the Las Vegas round this was the first round where 2,000 people competed down to a thousand yeah I I questioned signing up up at the time I was like what am I doing here like I am a fish out of water silver-haired I don't know a single soul I treat it like a networking event I was going around sitting at different tables you know some people like why are you sitting here other people like oh hey you know and and I think I got over kind of being an introvert I'm like okay I feel good but I look around I'm like there's so many people here like what are we doing in the legion stadium in my mind I thought we were going to the Mirage 100% I don't know if you remember being in Vegas The Mirage just closed down in mid July and so I was like oh what a perfect place for Mr Beast to have it you have 3,000 rooms like so I was looking at the Mirage map and memorizing where stairwells are like I was so geeked out you know on this stuff and even in my hotel I was like memorizing serial numbers underneath the lamps like I thought the games had already started again I've never done any of this before so um I was just totally in my head but once I kind of met other friends in the stadium um Patrick 930 stopped me in the hallway and started ask me a question just like you said he was like he's like who do you model for he goes you water from Willa or do you know Patricia Milan I'm like I have no clue what you're talking about like I have zero clue what you're talking about and just him and I hit it off like that and once I felt like I had friends I'm like okay I don't know what I'm doing but at least I'm doing it with people who I could be friends with and that's um that's how it all started in Vegas and Vegas was a trip why do you think there's so much controversy around the whole Vegas thing cuz I've seen like right after that happened there was a whole bunch of just people talking about the poor conditions or that they were being mistreated yeah I I think when anytime you're doing something for the first time it's hard then you factor in it's 2,000 people in the middle of the night um so I think the logistics were were challenging uh but I also think there's you know for me my experience was if I'm going to go compete for $5 million I don't expect it to be the Ritz Carlton I don't expect uh it to be kind of the most Lush bedding um I thought I like I thought we were going to rough it a little bit and so yeah we all got sleeping bags we slept on the floor U we got three meals a day like I ate every single bit of my meals some people didn't like the the the meals so I think it was a little bit of you know some people might have been disgruntled but my experience was exactly what I signed up for so at that time what were the meals chicken a starch rice or quinoa some vegetables um you know we had oatmeal we had hardboiled eggs you know he had three meals a day but it was kind of weird because most of the filming was at night so we would kind of eat breakfast at night so we'd have breakfast and then we'd have lunch while we're filming and then like dinner after we're done filming and sometimes we' have dinner um you know like 5:00 in the morning so it just it was it was a ton of fun I mean it was it was one of those things where it was only 4 days but it felt like I was there for weeks but it was one of these things where anytime there was an issue especially in Vegas um they were attentive to it I mean they kind of got after it and then once we got to the Beast games on Prime oh my gosh like it was like the best accommodations best food um the betting like uh in the city was fantastic so I have no complaints for Vegas or Toronto but I can definitely see where some people U might go gosh you know I wasn't used to the conditions but for me it was exactly what I expected they push you every single way emotionally psychologically um even physically but like you kind of leave there smiling like that was great I wouldn't change thing what was your first impression of Mr Beast very first impression I remember in Vegas and he walked out I'm like oh my gosh there he is he's in like this is in person I was kind of like fanboying out over him um and but he was pretty honest with everybody he sent a video before Vegas and go hey I'm so glad you guys are here um there's 2,000 you just letting you know I'm not going to be able to talk to most of you guys I probably won't be able to talk to most of you guys until we get down to kind of the top 20 but I really want to spend time with you then but he always talked to people be between challenges but you don't really get to know them but once I got to know him it was it was great was there anything that surprised you about him you know being the number one YouTuber in the world at his age and you know watching his content you can just tell he is committed to his craft he's a perfectionist I didn't realize outside of that how competitive he was so like when we got to the top 10 we um we were in a you kind of had a night with him and his fiance and some other people from the team and there's some people playing Katan and he was so competitive like there was no chance he was going to let anybody beat him and I'm like oh my gosh how is he this competitive with just contestants so it's just like he never turns it off um but he's super compassionate really thoughtful like I has some really thoughtful questions to me um he's uh just he just seems like a a standup guy what were some of the questions he asked well once he once he kind of found out because the whole purpose of me getting on the show was to have a platform for my son to talk about his rare disease and so there's a couple times where he interviewed me and I would talk about it so off camera he take you know what is what's the condition oh I'm sorry like like what does it mean like what does the future look like and again he's got he's getting pulled in a thousand different directions you know he could easily give me lip service but he didn't and it was like man this guy this guy cares too which I I think is just I don't want to say it's hard to find in the space but it's like I just didn't expect him to be that thought full this young and what about on set did he seem present or was he distracted because like you said I imagine he's getting pulled in a thousand different directions at once so it would be kind of hard for him to be present and just having a good time it surprised me that he allocated time to like play Katon I mean onset when we are filming he is you you won't find anybody more committed to what they're doing I mean he is dialed in um like even in the final episode the final episode we filmed for 10 hours and you can just tell he was he was tired in between shoots and then once the camera's on it's a different person so like he just is so committed to his craft that he's always kind of stepping up when when the when the cameras are on and when the cameras are not on he loved going around and talking to the contestants he likes to get a feel for what they're thinking what they're interested in what strategies do they have like he loves the game so people who are strategist he would kind of take a shine to and want to hear what they're saying or what they're thinking yeah I saw Colin and Samir they were doing a behind the scenes of I believe it was Vegas and he went to talk to everybody in groups of 20 yeah and what was remarkable is that you think okay that's that can't take that long he's like okay well if I talk to 20 people at a time for 10 minutes each it's going to take me like the whole day like get through everybody and he just did it he T yeah I think I think he talked to over half of the people uh and then after Vegas he and his team personally called people to hear about their experience cuz it's not like hey it's you know you kind of mentioned the Vegas challenge it's like it's one thing to kind of have people kind of you know Grimace or you know kind of complain and the Beast team doesn't do anything about it no they said we want to hear what you're thinking um because obviously this is season one they you better believe they're going to do a season two and three and four they want to learn to get better so it was just I I thought they were very kind of thoughtful how responsive they were do they 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go and sit down with the psychologist it was a great conversation what do you got can you share like what you guys talk about of course I mean so for me it's different because I didn't get eliminated yeah and remember like he's patting you on the back like good job fist bumping well it was I mean it was just it was interesting and I'm sure it was interesting for her too it's like how often you get to debrief with someone 30 minutes after they just won $10 million and you know it was I told my wife and my son like hey I'll be right back I got to go in here and I she's like so how do you feel I'm like awesome like I feel great but then she had to go through like well I'm sure there were times that were psychologically challenging or emotionally kind of pressing like how do you feel about that you feel like you processed it um obviously I felt great but like there was a they gave me access to a psychologist like by the way even though you won $10 million here's probably what's going to happen you're going to go home you're going to be elated you realize you're not going to be able to talk to anybody for some weird reason you're probably going to get depressed then you're going to forget about it for a little bit and then the show's going to air and you're going to start feeling all these feelings again and they were spot on and they're like please call us so the Beast team made available a psychologist to anybody um to chat with who are struggling with this and this psychologist is like he his thing is reality competition shows wow how long until the like depression set in and why do you think that happened I don't I don't know you're asking the wrong guy why it happened but I I would say probably three weeks you know and depression was just like it just it's like you you planted a seed but you can't tell anybody about it it hasn't kind of bloomed yet um and it's like you want to start making changes in your life but like like it's like but I don't I didn't get paid yet I didn't um it hasn't got announced yet it's just a weird feeling so you didn't get paid until until when yeah so the the finale aired um February 13th of 25 and I got paid the very next day so that was just recently that you got paid just recently that you just saw like a $10 million Wire yeah no big deal just 10 Milli milon does Chase ever call you and be like hey Jee we noticed you your your normal account balance $100 and now it's 10 million what what happened and this was a checking account that I I literally opened up uh for Beast games because that's not suspicious at all well no but no but I opened up after Vegas because after Vegas everybody who went to Vegas got $2,000 so I had I just said hey I want to open up another checking account I put that in and so it's like I have this one checking account that was specifically for that and I see it pop up but yeah to to your question nobody from my bank called me um which was like seems like a major oversight maybe this like $10 million wire comes especially considering it's a brokerage house too it's like hey let us help you put that to work I'm sure they um you know who you are if you're listening um they could put some make them put some alerts in there because it would have been a great thing to have you know private Banker call you and go hey here's happened what what just happened how can we help you put this to use what are you thinking about um but yeah no call no nothing you would think that just any wire over five million should deserve a phone call if not even just like hey congratulations on this this nice job yeah how you do this well done granted I live in Silicon Valley and this is the startup capital of the world and distributions like this even though I've never experienced anything close to it happen um often so I don't know if it's just part for the course Silicon Valley to have $10 million wires but certainly not for me so how much did you actually win in Beast games so the the total sum including the 2,000 from Vegas the 10 million uh from the grand prize plus 4242 4,242 from the phone bribe or the the million bribe so at 10, 6,000 something 242 now going back winning that amount of money and speaking with a a psychologist was there ever an amount of guilt that you felt getting this money knowing that someone else had to lose yeah I mean of of course and um you know I also think about all the friends and people who help me get there and it's like ah like how do I how do I pay them back how do I pay it forward why was it me and not them you know I don't know if they call it survivors guilt or um but yeah I I I felt that and it's it's not fun could you split any money at all were you allowed to be like hey you really helped me out here's like 20 grand it it was in our contract that we weren't allowed to and then you know in certain challenges they'd kind of reiterate that it's like by the way like you can't make any deals you can't say hey if I you help me get to this I will give you 10% if I win see that's what I was thinking when it was down to the three of you with a $10 million prize like you could have each walked away with you know 3333 million which is nearly $5 million just getting up there and everyone could have left happy but you're saying you couldn't have negotiated out some sort of split yeah there was no negotiation and I I think I mean if we could have we probably would have you know with with those three people um I don't think there's anybody there who's like no no no I have to get this but yeah it's uh there was no ability to negotiate a split and I think there's some pretty severe clawbacks too in the kind of the agreement we signed if they find that someone is splitting after the fact so for Beast games did you have a strategy going in if someone's competing in Beast Game season 2 what do you think of the things that they should be practicing yeah I think you got to figure out what kind of game you want to play you know do you want to say true to your values or do you want to play to win um I think you can do both I think I did both um but like I would just get crystal clear on how you want to play two you got to step up your social game it's a very social game where you need to make friends you need to earn trust people need to be able to trust you and um the more genuine obviously the better and uh have a number in mind like if there's a number like cuz you're going to get opportunities to bribe and you think about this like so many people turned down $100,000 in that first episode and you see four people turn down a million dollar so there's going to be opportunities where you can take money to either eliminate people or not eliminate people I'd figure out what that number is and how important it is to you what was your number my number was 1.5 million how did you come to that number my wife and I were talking about it and to be honest I think it was number that we figured would never get presented to us so it's kind of like this thing that yeah we have a number but we're never going to have to worry about it cuz like we just I I wanted to go all the way and you know when when I signed up and I told my wife hey I'm I want to be in Beast games like it's going to be an awesome platform to talk about Lucas's disease and she looks at me she goes if you're going to be gone for a handful of weeks you better win this damn thing and like that totally shifted my mindset like oh my gosh like I can talk about Lucas and win this thing but winning winning having the thought of winning when there's a thousand people was just so hard it's just for me it was like okay I just got to survive I'm on the platforms I need to get the city I'm in the city I need to get to the to the island I'm in the island I need to get to the top 10 and once you kind of got there it's like okay I got a shot so it was at the top 10 when you first realized okay like I can actually win Beast games it was probably right before the top 10 on the elimination train when it was the top 21 and once I learned the rule set of the elimination train I kind of go I feel pretty safe like I feel like there's an 80% chance I'm going to get through and so I was able to see myself in the top 10 where I kind of go man if I get to the top 10 I have a one in 10 chance of winning and I think I've built very good social capital and good relationships and I think I I could do a great job like I can win this thing do you think it's more effective to be a leader or a follower great question I I think you need to be able to be both um I think there's times where you need to step up and Lead um I did that more in kind of private settings so you know on our you know episode 6 on the physical challenge you know I was would step up as a leader um a vocal leader for a small group um there's other times where I think blending in is better um like on the elimination train like to be a leader there was like the last thing I wanted to do I just thought there was no upside I I feel like I'd have to eliminate myself or like my buddy Patrick I didn't want to do that so I I think it's kind of circumstantial it seems like the people that all rejected $1 million they ended up making it pretty far in the games and they were looked pretty favorably amongst the other competitors the only thing that was weird is that as soon as it went 5149 as though it was advantageous for them to flip on them like sharks like piranhas They would just be like oh yeah and then you did this and that was a jerk move would we can't believe this and everyone's like showing that they're better than the other person it's weird um I in the games there's really fresh memories like people remember what happened yesterday in the last challenge um and there's also like like this unspoken reciprocity so think about the million-dollar bribes you know three out of the four of them made it out of the cubes Dino toana and Jeremy then the next thing is the helicopter rides toana gets selected for the first helicopter Dino gets selected for the second helicopter so there's one Captain left and now we have the 110 coins Jeremy gets 103 of the 110 coins like so like people are always wanting to give back to these people who step up but then again in the helicopter you see that uh that reciprocity didn't last long where people were stabbing Jeremy in the back in a matter of minutes because he didn't do what they they wanted him to do I felt so bad for him in that moment because he was one of my favorite players same with Dino just turning down a million dollars like that in front of all these people takes so much control and then to see people now look at that negatively is like oh but yeah he he did that but this I was shocked I was I was shocked too it it was it was one of those things where I during that episode I was going around and trying to tell people the math like hey we have to give the coins to somebody because if we don't our odds of getting on a helicopter decrease because this helicopter is going to go away empty so that was my mindset I wasn't trying to go around and say Hey give these coins to Jeremy because obviously I knew that would Al also put a Target on my back so like I didn't hear all these kind of talk about you got to bring a woman on or this that and the other until we got into the helicopter and I kind of like I'm like happy and like Jeremy looks at me he's like no this is not good like this did not end well and he kind of sat there and he kind of let a prayer and it was like one of these things where I'm like oh I I didn't realize how badly people were coming at you so it was um the first couple days on the island were interesting because um there was there was some bad blood especially to Jeremy but also to me because I was involved with it um and that's because Jeremy would not select a woman to join him on the helicopter yeah and he did he mean he selected uh Daphne 976 but it was one of these things where um he chose two people first he chose Gage 974 and myself and then he asked us to choose people um and I didn't choose a woman um why didn't you choose a woman I don't know I well I chose my I chose my best friend of the time Patrick 930 and he's the guy who brought me in he's the guy who stopped me in the hallway in Vegas I was like Hey like he chose me it's my time to choose him um yeah and in retrospect you know I would have taken a lot off of Jeremy if I would have um I I would have chosen Maddie 852 a dear friend of mine um but at least you know I made that episode exciting I guess and what's this little bottle oh my God these are so good so this is called Magic mind and they started sending us this a few months ago absolutely love it and uh we actually reached out to see if they would sponsor our podcast because we like it that much and they've agreed to sponsor our podcast which is so cool but basically it's it's an energy Focus shot like for a little bit more 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eliminate your row there was three rows that did not have anybody self- eliminate it was the first row the second row and the fourth row and these were the numbers kind of one through like let's call it one through 170 like these were all these type A aggressive people to go go-getters um where the rows the that kind of got up to the the 800s 900s and thousands were the helpers who help people get their Flags and the more kind of altruistic people who needed support which you'd think those are the people who would eventually self-sacrifice so I think I think there's a little bit more Nuance to the chance um but yeah when you really think about I I think through all the things that had to happen for me to get to episode 10 oh my gosh so much so much luck what challenge was the most difficult like physically and then emotionally yeah um physically hands down was the monster truck pole I mean we had eight people pulling a 12,000lb monster truck um I did not expect that you know um in in B City we have this giant billboard that would kind of give us like Clues to what these challenges would be and there was a like a it was like 19 I felt like it was 1950s kind of art art themed and it had a big monster truck and it said you know our red light is your green light and we're like oh my gosh so we get out there and I see this monster truck and I'm like oh they're going to put on the brakes which is a red light that means that's when we're going to walk green light that means so we're practicing doing Red Light Green Light like how to stop and then they kind of turn us on and go nope you're going to pull this monster truck and we we pulled it for like 25 minutes I literally when I got done like they almost called a medic for me like I was in like tunnel vision I just I had never done anything that strenuous in years and it was uh it was wild see it didn't look that bad I'm not going to lie as AER it didn't look laying in bed watching a chips easy I'm just saying when I was watching it I was like okay these guys you know they're falling over a little bit like they're stumbling they look fit and so it was surprising to me because it also didn't seem like it was going on for 25 minutes and so and like if you push a car in neutral it's not that hard but I can understand I didn't know it was 12,000 pounds of a monster truck so yes that does sound very challenging but as a viewer you know I'm sure some people they know what I'm thinking right now an armchair critic but I didn't think it was going to be that hard either to your point Jack you know it's like but once they said go and we started pulling it's like this thing is hardly moving and then you see the other team who's like 20t ahead of us and they're like they're huge these are all like you have a ex- college uh division one college football player you have an ex College rugby player like you have some Just Hoses over there and I'm like how are we going to do this unfortunately we had a lot of good teamwork we never gave up we had a lot of brains so like we like it was physics that actually helped us win is getting over that hump with both Wheels um but that was like like that was so fun that whole episode was air were filmed in one night so we did that we waited an hour we filmed kind of the flags we waited an hour and then we did the dead hang and it was like it was one of my favorite nights how late did that go I think we probably wrapped around you know 5: a.m. wow so the guy's hanging on the thing at 5:00 in the morning oh yeah and uh you know and once you get into the games like we film a lot at night so you're sleeping in um you know we're always getting eight hours of sleep if you want it but um it is so fun to film at night because like just knowing and I think about like everybody's sleeping and here we are doing things that you can never imagine a grown man doing it was like it was so fun so what was the most mentally challenging I I would say episode three uh the cubes was super challenging and part of it is like it was kind of early on and you know starting to miss my kids a lot and and and we kind of got a little rug pole here like the night before we had this awesome steak dinner like the best meal we've had we had a dance party around the money like they played music and everybody was having fun and then the next morning like hey we're just going to have a game day you know we're going to do a potato sack race and people were like oh my gosh like this is going to be fun and then they handcuff us to each other they take us into a cube they tell us that we're going to be here in 5 hours and that at least one of you will get eliminated out of your group of three and my group of three was me 808 and 204 and 204 Chris a great friend of mine um we're like oh my gosh how's this going to work what are we going to do and so we get into the cube and like At first none of us wanted to play a game like hey let's just see how this goes and maybe somebody will get something of value that will make them want to cuff and just just to kind of tell the viewers is there's a red phone in there and it said ask for anything and we could ask for anything that would help us make a decision on who would cff themselves and you could ask for anything but you couldn't take it out of the room so yes could ask for a million dollarss they might bring it in but you can't take it out you can't take it with you and so for me I was kind of going gosh what could I ask for that would help me make a decision to handcuff myself and I asked for a phone call with Elon Musk why Elon Musk well in my mind I got to go Elon you know obviously Our Generation Thomas Edison Albert Einstein just brilliant but between Tesla which is like what really made Tesla go as the energy side of it and then neuralink brain I go um my Sun's condition is creatine transport deficiency creatine is the energy that kind of supports ATP in the brain if there's one person who can kind of spend some Cycles to try to figure out how to get creatin into the brain it's Elon so I said gosh if I can get a phone call with him for a minute if I can ask him to dinner I'll fly anywhere in the world to take him to dinner and bend his ear for an hour like maybe just maybe we can make some progress on this condition and so like I was like I was just super naive I was so hopeful I'm like oh yeah Jimmy gives away Teslas all the time him and him and Elon are on like text basis like they're friends and then a couple hours later like a producer looks at me like through the window like hey Jeff like you might want to ask for something different um I'm like what do you mean he goes like it's Elon Musk like you're not going to get a hold of him so I was then I was like just dejected and I was like oh my gosh like I'm going to go home I'm not going to get a chance to like make an impact for my son and it was just it was the room was Tiny and it was like so steril white Bright Lights it was just I did not want to be there any longer and there was like I felt like there was no end Insight so you almost just kind of wanted to self- eliminate I wouldn't say that um I kind of was felt like I was going to get eliminated I just I felt like I just had lost this hope um because no one else was asking for anything of value that would force them to handcuff themselves so I realized oh I'm playing a different game I'm thinking of this differently and my friend Chris asked for a tattoo artist so he had a tattoo artist come in he got a Mr Beast tattoo on his bicep this guy's I mean this is my friend Chris he's jacked and he's like in his 50s and he has this huge bicep and now has this big Mr Beast logo on it um it's sweet how would that help him win the game though so what helped him is it helped him pass the time he could he could calculate the time how much time we had left because we only had five hours to do this and we had no guarantee that we would know how much time was left we didn't have clocks so he's like if I can get attach tattoo artist in here I know how long this stuff takes he'll have a phone that he has to like take pictures of we'll be able to see what time it is so he was strategically thinking of why he had a tattoo artist come in the other person asked for Stak and lobster um did they get it they got it did it not did you not want any steak and lobster like why yeah why didn't you ask for a timer In-N-Out at least yeah I don't know if they have In-N-Out in Toronto um but yeah no I I just I was at this point where I'm like I I I wanted something that would help and I just didn't think like a pizza or steak and lobster would but um we we just then we finally realized that hey there there's no chance that anybody's going to eliminate themselves on their own we need to play a game like a game of chance like flip a coin pick cards whatever it may be but one of the one of the one of the out of the group did not want to play a game and said even if we did play a game like I'm not going to eliminate myself so I go oh my gosh like how are we going to do this so I picked up the phone and I asked for a clinical psychologist to come into our room and um so I'm like we're we're part of an alliance like we're friends like can we get past this impath so the clinical psychologist sat down with us I mean it was so bizarre she's sitting in a chair all of us are sitting Indian style on the floor and after 25 minutes she kind of looks at us and go hey you know I I try to help you guys I don't think there's anything further I can do I think you guys need to figure it out because we couldn't get past the impass of not all of us choosing in to play a game so long story short my friend Chris 204 and I looked at each other who we we were super close and said hey one of us is GNA have to go home let's just flip a coin and um we get the coin I call Tails we flip it I don't look at it he looks at the ground at it and gives me a hug and says best of luck and then he went over to the wall he cuffed himself and I walked out was that not frustrating to have someone in that room because I feel like to me I would have felt like like we're alling sacrifices here and yet you won all of the upside and none of the downside and therefore pushing the burden on us at the time 100% that's how I felt I mean like I literally walked out of the room saw one of the production assistants and I looked at her and said I can I have a hug like I was like so like I just felt sick but watching the episode I realized it's good gameplay you know she knew she knew that Chris and I were super super close she also knew that we aren't stubborn enough to kind of go oh screw that all of us because if someone doesn't handcuff themselves they all get eliminated so I think she you know in retrospect I think it was good gameplay not the way I would want to play but um did that ever come back to bite her though because I feel like if someone does something so bad like the Habibi brothers when they were when they were in the box like how they got that girl who was like crying and they like faked the game so they could each win which yes it was awful but it was also strategic that stuff gets out and then they got eliminated because of what they did how did that get out I'm I'm pretty sure so early in the games when you get eliminated you have like this like little tote in in your bunks with all your kind of personal items and you have to go in there and pack it up and carry it out and I think in that process you know she spoke to people in her bunk like hey here's what happened and then it just gets around like the telephone game but then does that come back to bite them though if you do something like that in the boxes did you go and you share that information like hey this person they just withdrew and they didn't want to yeah I mean I it it didn't I don't think it helped her you know but it was like you know people always ask cuz like this was the first psychologically like really challenging game people like hey what happened in your Cube and for me I was just like yeah you know one person didn't want to play you know and kind of kind of left it at that um she elim she eventually took a bribe um on kind of episode four and so she got money from it and you know I I think it worked out well for her and and for me it's like I look back at every single thing and I have to thank it CU if I don't I'm not grateful for the ultimate outcome yeah now that episode for me was quite memorable because on that phone like you said you could ask for anything you want what are some other requests that people were asking for and could you actually get anything cuz I saw someone bringing a horse yeah how do they have a horse how do they have a clinical psychologist that they could just call be like you got to get here right now well I mean I I think for you guys is like if you sat here for hours and kind of like said okay what are the craziest things that people might do with their finances or people might want to buy um from insurance perspective you could have the craziest things listed and this is what the Beast team writers probably do is they sit around okay go here's what we're going to do we're going to stick them in a cube for 5 hours and they can ask for anything what are the craziest things that people might ask for that we can deliver so there was a horse ready there were puppies ready there was a fortune teller a psychic a clinical psychologist I mean pizzas uh people got their haircuts people got massages like it was like like when I looked out the window and saw the horse and again after I just told you like I was in a really bad spot I was like thinking of my kids and I look out and I see a horse I'm like going what world am I in but you couldn't ask for a vape or Elon Musk you can ask for it you can ask for anything but you might not get it what yeah was there anything that they said no to or was there besides like the phone call with Elon Musk did you hear any stories of like oh I asked for this I I I didn't get that well I I I feel like I mean if you look at the episode it's like Nolan Mack Tariq Chandler answering the phone um I think there was like a little delay on some like so some people ask for stuff but just they asked too late so they didn't get it delivered um but a lot of people like ask for kind of pizza or sushi U because most people decided hey we're going to play a game and we're going to play at the end in the meantime let's have some fun but then there was cubes like ours where it was more of hey like we got to figure out how we're going to get out of this thing it'd be interesting to see what all they had on standby like what was in that big room you know that's why I clown bet I was about to say a see look if we just sat down for a couple hours we could come up with that but I would never guess a horse never me neither they probably had every animal oh and they had multiple dogs like many people asked for puppies um one one um Landry asked for she she said hey I'm going to eliminate but I just want to have a princess party and like they brought all the princess and prince gear like how did you have that so it's a I would love to see the BTS on that room my guess is they have to have someone at like a Walmart and a Target nearby and they call in yo we we need five Monopoly sets I think it's got to be that there's no way they have all already ready to go in a room and they just return it massively I mean Amazon I'm going to have to ask Jimmy and see because their sizes too like you know do you have like a princess outfit in every size like would you have it in Graham size right or or Jack size the plus size but it was so quick like that's the thing that is like like I think a lot of it was there because they got this stuff so quickly so seeing so many people behave in so many different ways you have Landry who's willing to self- eliminate as long as she has her princess party you have other people that are unwilling to play the game and by any means necessary continue advancing other people take bribes other people don't take bribes what did you learn about human nature participating in Beast games I'd say overall very optimistic about the future of humanity I mean I think I did not expect to connect with that many people and I did not expect like four people to turn down a million dollars because 60 people chose them to represent them I did not expect people to kind of play hard but play with integrity and um I just didn't expect to to forge these friendships it's one thing to like you're in the games you forge these friendships and it's like oh my gosh this is great this this works for now but after the games I'm still friends with these people we still keep in contact um so it's kind of like you know you think back to some of your jobs you kind of go oh yeah that was really good friends with this person while I worked with them and then you guys go to separate jobs and now you hardly talk it's interesting cuz I feel like through talking with you and as well as watching you on Beast games one thing that I feel like helped you out a lot is that your actions are very divorced from your emotions in fact as a viewer it was even hard to tell your emotions at times like sometimes you know there was a little sympathy sometimes a little bit of this sometimes a little bit of that but it was never too far deviated from just like a cool and collected state of being do you think that that is like that was one of the main contributors to your success I noticed that too do you play poker I do not don't play poker you had a good Poker Face yeah I mean I think um you know don't ride the highs too high or the lows too low kind of like you know R your Kipling's if like and also I think being a father of a rare disease special needs kid definitely teaches me how to listen better because I me I really need to figure out what he's telling me and what he's feeling um and also try to feel with him um so like you know being a being a datal Lucas you kind of go gosh do I try to fix them or do I try to connect with them and the more I connect with people um I think it really benefited me in the games was there ever a moment where you lost your cool or you fought with other competitors oh yeah um you know I mean it didn't get too heated but in in episode 8 when we uh there was a million dollars we each had an opportunity to kind of go to the pyramid and take as much money as we could my friend uh JC 566 took 650,000 and it was just from my experience of him he was a friend I just I didn't expect it from him and so you know I kind of you know called him out or at least shared my experience with him you know that night and the next day and you know it was two grown men having a heated conversation again like I I I TR I I believe that maximum growth comes between the Pinnacle between support and Challenge and this was kind of a poke in the chest to a friend um and it was a good dialogue but it wasn't like you know no fists were going to be thrown at the time I was heated once you watch you realize again it's a game he had an opportunity to not eliminate anybody and to take the money and again whether he pays down his entire mortgage or he pays down some of it or he gets rid of all of his debt and now he can put money into kind of a a 529 plan for his kids like good on him good on him and and then afterward he kind of threw the alliance under the bus I think that's what kind of was like man come on what are you doing you just got your money and now now you're taking out on us like what's this about it was interesting to see a little bit of a switch though in his behavior like you said before and after he got his rewards yeah so but I have to look back at it it's a game and I think in season two you'll see a lot more play like that but see it's interesting you say here it's it's a game but then also I see Jeremy not taking and Dino the million dollars to which your point it is a game taking a million dollars at that point turning it down in episode 2 I saw Ben Shapiro's reaction to it he got very heated did you see his video he got very upset that no one took the million dollars because he says at that point it's a positive expected value when you look at your chance of winning across all these people and you're offered oneth of the prize pool it would be dumb not to take that money it was the expected value was like a million dollars for anyone rejecting a million dollars in that moment but then if you did the math in terms of the amount of contestants left over and the prize pool at the end if you evenly distribute that it was like $5,000 so it's $5,000 per chance or a million doll in your pocket and everyone rejected that which is insane yeah it's I look at that it's like hey it's a game you're on a game show and you have a chance Graham would have like taking the first bribe opportunity like he's he's standing on be over Grand no it would have been it would have been you know the first round eliminate everybody in your row and take like 10 bucks he's like well it's a couple coffees you I mean I I think it all depends on your intention in going to the games like I think like there's one reason to do anything and it's as a sign to the universe of who you are you know and like so like it's like if you went into the game so with people you love if you told your wife hey here's what I'm going to do here's my number and guess what if it means I'm going to have to sacrifice people to do it I'm going to do it if you haven't had those conversations and you want to show the world or you want to do you want to show the world through your actions who you are whether people are looking or people aren't I think that's what we experienced with Dino toana Harrison and Jeremy is this is who they are like if they got chosen to represent them they kind to go I'm not going to let you down granted that cost them a million dollars but I truly don't think any of those people regret it I've talked to them all which is just wild to think about I think more of a testimony of who they are as a person versus kind of what they wanted to do in that situation do you think a lot of players weaponize sympathy in the game for example they kind of acted as though they were feeling sympathetic towards other people's plights but in actuality they their mind was set on the $10 million or the $5 million goal I I didn't think so at the time like I just I like I maybe I'm naive or maybe I'm too trusting but I didn't think people had ulterior motives with sympathy but like after the show it's it was so fun like have friends call me like hey asking me different questions about every episode and I have a a neighbor who's a psychologist who I'm good friends with and she would ask me these questions and she goes you know crying definitely is a tactic for narcissist or so and so to induce sympathy like um especially in situations where you're trying to get something um maybe that's not yours or you want to get something from someone else and so like I like it made me kind of like look back at the episod kind of go wow wait did this person deliberately do this in order to get sympathy to keep moving on I'm not sure see that's the thing it's like when a lot of people got eliminated a lot of people would cry that they got eliminated but at the same point that's the objective of the game is to continue on so I was wondering it's like okay if I was in a game with other people and it's like sure we had a little bit of an alliance and everything like that when you get out like I'm like oh no no no so everyone feels sad for me and they're like okay well this guy's been through a lot let's you know keep him around we'll talk to him get to know him but in actuality I'm just making it farther in the game yeah it's um you know and then even in my alliance you know in the top 10 we had four people in our alliance it was me Patrick 930 Gage 974 and JC 566 and the ultimate aim is we all want to win but it would be awesome for all four of us to get there and then battle it out so it's like um we understand that people are going to get eliminated and it's going to suck and like for example Patrick 930 my closest friend of the games he gets eliminated and we're like I'm like Bittersweet like I'm sorry to see you go but like okay I'm in the top six I got to keep moving on and how was the experience different as a competitor versus as a viewer were there certain things that maybe you didn't notice when you were competing and then you got you know some secret drama or something maybe or people were in cahoots that you didn't know about until you actually watched the the video I'm curious too did you see any of the episodes before they air so episode one and two we got to see in a Premiere um so we got to see a day before they aired um but all the other episodes we saw it just when you did you know when it when it when it drops at kind of midnight on Thursday was when I would watch it are you watching it right when it drops moment it drops sometimes yeah so sometimes my like my wife and I would like either try to stay awake or or like I'd wake up middle night like hey do you want to watch it um but yeah there was times I'd watch it at midnight sometimes I'd watch it in the morning sometimes I'd watch it during the day what was the most surprising thing watching it um just to see other people's perspectives you know for me it's I experienced the game Through My Lens and through kind of my values but to see other people's experiences was awesome and um I I I think the biggest takeaway again was seeing it as a game and kind of going I respected uh or I understood the hibi Brothers moves much differently watching it than I did kind of living it I understood Akira's moves much different than I did living it but it it was 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more that were than were shown I thought it was really interesting when they introduced your secret Alliance I thought that was something that they could have leaned in a little bit more because that introduced a whole different dynamic as a viewer to to pay attention to to be mindful of and uh it just gave a lot better perspective it was a lot more enjoyable I liked it a lot oh yeah no and I I think and I think when I think forward to season two and again I'm no writer but I think I think you'll see those those alliances with those characters get developed earlier because yeah it is it was so juicy like that was like that was my favorite one of my favorite episodes to watch is you had the family reunion which was like literally one of the top five moments of my life and then you have this money grab and this like the first kind of tension of the game and I think seeing more of that will allow people to understand characters much better what I find interesting is I feel like you have to like if you were an employer you could look at Beast games and take the final 20 competitors and put them on some sort of a curve of personalities skills intelligence and they would be outliers in terms of a positive way I feel like you have to be in terms of social skills intelligence everything and I'm curious because of the amount of self-elimination games that they had if that could somehow throw a rock in that distribution If instead they had more competitions like I loved the intelligence one the chance one was interesting as well as the uh the physical skills one if more of the stuff were like that more of the competitions were like that by the end if you'd have an even more refined group of people that you know one could argue would be good to an employer or just overall like an exceptional being your spot on like like um one of the guys who got eliminated in episode one John 312 brilliant guy great social game really strong leadership got eliminated because nobody in his row self eliminated he would have been kind of formidable at the end um some other great competitors who were like very loyal always helping each other a friend Justin 66 didn't get got eliminated in the first episode too so yeah it's I Envision a world and this is some of the feedback I've seen online too was like I want to see more skill-based Social Development as well like that's why I liked the alliances like a little bit of drama who can you be in cahoots with who could you be in secret Cahoots with the the thing I think it was Patrick or the the person that took the fifth or the sixth slot in the tower like that for me was one of the most exciting things how he was able to outsmart everyone else and get voted in and it surprised everybody I'm like that was such a low percentage chance for him to continue to for him to advance but he was able to pull it off yeah Patrick was the one he's Puppet Master Patrick who took zero dollars so he took a big risk and going I think there's gonna be upside to zero he took a big risk and it didn't work out for him Gage 974 is the one who did this kind of miraculous move on the towers where he's like I'm going to tell this person that I'm going to vote for them I'm G to ask for their vote and vice versa then he then he had this beautiful throwaway vote for Mikey 453 because he knew no one would vote for him and when I was sitting there I'm like oh my gosh this is like brilliant yeah and and Gage like it was neat to see someone like Gage Step Up yesie had brilliant moves in the nth and 10th episode so it's neat to see these these characters kind of seiz the moment they're in and crush it one of the most memorable moments for me was the coin flip when you know the prize is going to be $5 million and then he brings out another $5 million if you flip the coin and guessed correctly I hope you know like that's those are real us this isn't fake money like like so he wheeled in another literally $10 million and cash sitting there and kind of when he opened the coin um you know there was zero chance I was going to do it like I'm like it's just not worth it to get this far and lose over coin flip um I was never the best kind of in Vegas you know betting playing blackjack or roulette and I'm like I'm not going to come out of retirement and flip a coin but I look over Gage and Gage became a good friend of mine he's got these kind of beautiful blue eyes and like you see them sparkling you see this grin that I've never seen I'm like Gage wants to do this like Gage really wants to do this and Gage is so talented and kind of stepping into his own I'm like if he wants to do this I want to make sure he does it so I go over there and kind of chat with him and I feel it he wants to do it and after kind of a little back and forth with him toana you know he reaches out puts his hand on it and what Jimmy said is the first person to touch this has to flip it so there's no takebackspace flipped to stay in the game tails and so he holds it up and goes I'm feeling Tails again and one of my favorite edits of the whole entire show is the coin flip you know and you see the kind of the the sand going through it and then they they pan back and they show Emma's face then toan's face and they are like in total game mode like focused and then I'm sitting here with my eyes half open with a little smirk cuz I'm just feeling so good for gauge and he flips it and you hear the coin rattling and my eyes are still closed and I hear Jimmy kind of like sounding devastated like H and I'm going oh no we didn't get it and then it hits me this is Jimmy's money he is pissed because he just lost $5 million I look at it I'm like I got goosebumps thinking about it it was Tales like we literally in a split second went from 5 million to 10 million and my buddy flipped a coin for this I was like I mean it was like the most surreal moment like one of my favorite moments of the entire games so Jimmy was actually upset that he had to Fork over 5 million bucks oh my gosh like 100% but also like he gets over it quickly CU he realizes this is going to be awesome content but he can't use it in the title yeah I got so upset when he said that because I'm like that's true imagine putting that in the title winning $10 million oh yeah like how more intense the game would have been with that from the begin they'll do that for Beast Game season to no I think that was a oneand done I mean maybe hey well it's one of these things where John EA was interviewing uh Jimmy on the BTS and it's like you how do you top this and Jimmy's like oh we'll do it for sure like so like this is the thing about Jimmy is he's always going to up it one way or the other I mean it might not be the dollar amount it might be something unique but I uh I have no doubt that season two will be better than season one yeah I was surprised that this is his money this isn't like he's getting you know a sponsor to come in and say hey T-Mobile's putting up an extra 5 million for this is out of his own pocket and so to put $5 million on a coin flip to me is just like that's insane T-Mobile logo on the coin there needed to be like something on that coin is like a sponsor to help but no this is like his own money putting up it's how committed to his craft he is like I want to create the biggest spectacle ever with the simplest thing a coin flip I mean people have been flipping coins for thousands of years and he and he makes it amazing did he think that someone was actually going to flip the coin I've heard that he did not I assumed that no one would that's what I thought there's no way but this but this is what's beautiful is like you look back to the million-dollar bribe he and Mac were beside themselves they they could not believe that no one took the million dollar bribe and nobody he did and the flip side they thought that no one flipped the coin and we did so it's like I I love the fact that when we can surprise someone like Jimmy man you know we're making great content so I'm curious how did $10 million change the game for me um I just in my mind I kind of go you know I thought about this like okay I need to put money aside for my family and I need to have money to kind of invest into research for my son's condition and $5 million don't get me wrong certainly helps $10 million is totally different because it's like okay I can put money aside to make sure that my son Lucas is taken care of I can make sure that Jack doesn't have to take care of Lucas and our parents as we get age like there's just a lot of things we can do but we can really make a dent in research like we can really invest in some research that can really hopefully speed up this kind of quest for a cure quest for a treatment by years and what about in terms of gamepl did people all of a sudden take it like way more seriously I I know I did um you know going into the top six I kind of felt like I was going into you know a big football game like I was I was nervous going into it like we take the bus over from the city and I remember like sitting out in front of our van and like the production teams are now like looking at us like they're starting to treat us differently you know I have my thermals on I go to the bathroom I take my thermals off I come out I'm like oh it's cold let me put my thermals back on I have this nervous energy but once I got in there I'm like okay this is it like I can play the game fair and I can also play the game hard and so like that was my mindset as like be calm kind of be focused but play to win when did you realize that you were going to win or when did you have that feeling that's like I got this um I felt really good after I made the first shot in the in the first Challenge and we had the red balls um I knew that if I made the first shot people would think twice about shooting at me because they kind of go oh gosh he he's good you know if I shoot at him he can shoot me and get me out so after that I felt like okay I I made the shot I'm going to get to the top four and I look around the top four it's yesi Gage myself and toana I felt pretty darn good too I didn't feel I was going to win until like once we got into the top two and we had a little break they had to strike the set and build it and I'm off kind of in this Warehouse you know in the middle by pallets it's dark I'm kind of trying to eat a snack it's 5:00 in the morning and I go I think I got this you know and it was just more of like it wasn't kind of arrogance it was more of like hey I think I'm in a great spot to win this yeah even the top three you had the opportunity to pick a million dollars guaranteed and you didn't take it was there a part of you that thought man maybe I should just take the guaranteed million dollars right now and self- eliminate based on the game no the the game was kind of everybody in the top 50 voted kind of who they thought was most deserving to win or least deserving to win and I felt like I made great relationships and great inroads um but I'll be honest I didn't think it was Tana's number in that I thought it was Gage's you know Jimmy probably hates Gage because Gage is singlehandedly it's his fault Jimmy's lost six million I mean it's crazy $5 million from the coin flip a million dollars from taking the bribe it's I mean or he loves him and most expensive you know employee or person that Jimmy's ever had it's unbelievable yeah and I love when like Jimmy was interviewing Gage like hey what are you gonna do with $10 million he goes I'm probably GNA get a conversion van and play music he's like well what are you gonna do with the other 9,900 thousand 90,000 bucks hysterical just a Lambo I know that that that was a good I mean that threw some people off in the last week they people definitely took the hook and thought he won interesting so what I'm most curious about the final episode you're supposed to pick the winning briefcase and you picked it on the first try yeah and Jimmy said wow we've done tests like this in the past it takes like 18 times on average to to pick that briefcase you did it your first try how did you do that I I was remarkably calm and I don't know how I mean it was 6:00 in the morning I had like five cups of coffee all throughout the night um but the number six kept appearing to me in the days ahead so you think back to the million dooll kind of money grab you know Patrick got number five and he gave me key number six which put me into bunk number six and then the next day I get into top six and we're spending a lot of time by ourselves so I'm I'm in my room you know I have kind of a prayer book and I'm saying a prayer that has six words in it um what was the prayer the prayer is called the shma um and just the number six was actually the um that day before the night was the sixth day of the sixth Hebrew month um so the number six just kept popping up to me and so when I got up to the top of the pillars and we look down at the kind of the Lazy Susan with the briefcases and they're numbered it just came to me and said it's six six is it and so I just kind of felt remarkably calm going down there and then Jimmy's teen up the game they kind of come out and kind of give us the rules Jimmy spends it twice and uh or actually three times one of the times he spends it he puts his hand down on it it's on the number six another time he spends it it lets it Go and right in front of me is the number six and I'm like like I mean do I like so you went in thinking six I went in thinking six and when the game started you know if I saw a briefcase on number six that was my starting point and the only way I'd get off it is if she shared something that would dissuade me from picking that so I was calm and I wanted to kind of pressure test you know is there anything that she could tell me to make me choose otherwise and ultimately there wasn't how did she pick six I want to know that I wish I would have asked her um I wish she would get on a podcast you maybe is she is she not speaking about it yeah no one's no one's asked her but I I I would love to know like I know in my mind I thought there's no chance she's going to choose one she loves that number and um three she has three daughters five she has five people in her family like I just think these would be unique numbers to choose um like part of me thought like one of the reasons why six could be it for her is because it wasn't special to her you know um but it was special to me so I'm like you know I it was just one of these weird weird moments where my certainty levels were nearly 100 if not 100 see I would think to myself if you have a number one through 10 what would most people pick and I think a lot of people would just pick one seven eight I was thinking two is a perfect like no one thinks yeah I know I would never think two or four yeah four is good and I just place it in that just knowing statistically people are more likely to pick certain numbers if if I were in her shoes if I had to hide it I think I would do it in a way where I would lose track of where I put it cuz you don't want to Signal yeah cuz I mean or I mean she could have turned around she could have not answered any questions but like for me it's kind of like can I mix up the briefcases enough where I don't know where it's at um cuz uh you know you can either make it a total chance game but like the way we played it was a chance and bluffing game she knew where it was did the briefcases have numbers only on one side or both sides so the briefcase the the numbers were just on the Lazy Susan so you could have taken all the briefcases and stacked them up 10 high right in the middle and I would have to choose like point to one that I wanted so you could you could have put the briefcases anywhere she could have stacked multiple ones on number six which would have really thrown me off um but yeah it was um the the rules weren't fully explained during the show but you could have put the briefcases anywhere as long as they were on that kind of lazy Susan how long did it take for her to create that assortment I want to say it was like three minutes or so it's not that long yeah I mean um and I I was just I was eyes closed calm you know not really trying to listen to anything cuz like I'm like I don't want to like what am I really going to here um some people like online are like oh you saw the fingerprints um I didn't see anything kind of out of the ordinary but yeah it was it was three minutes and I took it off and I kind of go gosh if it's if there's something on six that's where I'm starting what was your first impression winning $10 million and you opened it it was like shock I mean um I I I was like I was staring at her when I opened it and I saw because we we did a test run before cuz they they wanted us to know what it looked like or felt like when we opened it so each of us opened it before before the episode or before the the challenge started so we knew that a light opens up so for me I was going if I see a light I know I won and so I open it up the light shines and I like I paused for a second like is this real and then you hear Jimmy oh like and then you hear the Cannons go off I'm like oh my gosh like I just won $10 million and so I just took off and I uh subconsciously did this like Elvis move I'm a big Elvis fan and then I jump and run up to the pyramid and I'm sure the kind of stunt and safety is going oh my gosh please do not hurt yourself like I could have ran over the other side good content yeah and then I fell and I kind of just slid down kind of like the Joker and it was just it was just this surreal moment I just wanted to hug people and thank them and uh I just picked up Carl and Chandler and it was just it was so fun what was her reaction uh I saw it on the show and um I did get a chance to talk to her so it's it's kind of like this Out of Body Experience so where you kind of like you know you get in the zone and you kind of black out a little bit it's like when I got home I remember kind of talk to my wife kind of going I can't believe I didn't say and go you know thank toana or shake her hand um and she just goes I I think you might have you know I'm like no I don't think I did because I forgot I did you know but I'm so glad I got to go over and talk to her because I just respect her so much she was like she literally was who I wanted to compete against at the end and she was kind of gracious and defeat and she said she was happy for me but I I could only imagine how hard it must be especially for a competitor like her not to even be able to play like she really didn't even get a chance at bat she was only in the field that's where I feel like the uh psychologist would really come in to help because if I if I put myself in that position that would be really tough I mean I bet over time you could work through it but just thinking I was like that close and having a regret of I should picked five I should have picked 10 I I could have done all these other things that in that moment I can't change anymore and and at the at the moment like I I told a joke earlier in that episode I don't know if it was before it started or during that I like oh yeah when I was used to be a professional poker player so she the joke fell flat and apparently she thought I was telling the truth so she thought I was a professional poker player so in her mind after that she's going this guy read me I gave him some type of tell and so like even more so I think gosh going home and thinking I shouldn't have answered that I should have turned around I should have said something different um but there was nothing nothing in her that I kind of go gosh I was going to choose five but she said this on six so I was going to choose six because of it but yeah I could only imagine what have must have been like to have that on the first try after winning who was the first person that you called because you hear a lot of lottery winners that go broke and blow through all the money how did you make sure you weren't going to do that what do you call um so the the the first person you know I I called the beast team and said hey can I get some NDA signed for some people and they're like of course so got a few NDA signed and you know talk to um an estate planner because we just wanted to talk about the Special Needs Trust and making sure that that was set up correctly um talk to some tax people and then also talk to um just kind of some investment advisers you know because you know this is something that like we need to make the money work for us not only for our family but also for other families like ours who have kids with ctd yeah what was it like not being able to tell anybody like who who could you tell like your wife obviously super blessed that my wife and my oldest son were there so they got to experience it and feel it um but I signed an NDA so I couldn't S I couldn't tell anybody that I that didn't sign an NDA so I never told my mom I never told my dad I have four sisters and my oldest sister Stacy is like was became the biggest Beast games fan ever like asked me a thousand questions I know you won I know you won did you win uh would you win if you if you told me you won would you tell me like she she'd ask all this stuff and then like I would just lead them on kind of Rabbid trails to them thinking I did not win and but once we got closer to the end like they thought I was going to get eliminated every episode but I made sure that they all watched it together at the end because like their reaction videos oh my gosh absolutely Priceless and how was that first talking to them once they realized you had won oh they they were so proud and so happy you know and again they know they know how much genen and I and we live far away they live in Ohio we live in California and they know how much that Jen and I care about Lucas and trying to find a cure and um so they were just so happy that we actually had resources to kind of put our money where our mouth was and they were just I can't believe you didn't tell me I you know like just all these little things that um so much banter back and forth and even today we're two weeks out they still love asking questions wait wait when I talk you about this did you mean this how did you not tell me so it's a just a ton of fun it's interesting that none of the other contestants knew that you had won as well because I was messaging other contestants to try to get some information for this podcast and they were like yeah I mean I was talking to Jeffrey all the way up until the finale I had no idea that he had won yeah so um one of my best friends from the game Patrick 9:30 like I literally talk to him probably every day and he is the ultimate sleuther one to give him credit he never asked me where I finished he goes I don't want to know I want to watch it but I I led him on some kind of rabbit trails to think somebody else might have won U but other people like other people the top six you know kind of or not top six but other people thought I had won but it was like it was all hearsay no one was 100% certain as long as people aren't 100% certain it was awesome but it was so neat seeing cuz I watched the finale in LA with my family in the top 10 and Patrick was right in front of me and this is so great I I get goosebumps thinking about it and when he saw it at the end he looked at me and just was like us so and um he loved it he loved the fact that I did not rob that from him cuz that's one thing in the games we get down there yes we have an NDA we can't tell people but we get down to the top six and I remember Kitz uh who's one of the show producers who's awesome and is like hey think about all all the things you've experienced so far how fun has it been how great has it been how life-changing it's been we're like oh my God yes yes yes and he's like believe it or not people who watch this at home will feel the same feelings kind will have the same thoughts if you tell them when you got eliminated how you got eliminated if you won you're going to rob that from them please don't do that that combined with the NDA was enough for me to kind of go yes they're like and our lawyers by the way would love to speak with you about this exactly but it but it is like like for me like I I am a big fan of allowing people to have their own experience and just because I want to tell somebody like I wanted to tell my mom so bad like because she would have been so proud it would have been fun for to watch but like to see how she responded after was so worth it did anyone ask you for money after you won yeah um fortunately nobody who I know personally so it's a lot of just people dming me or on comments on YouTube or Instagram but yeah anybody who knows me personally understands kind of my cause my mission and so they're um they probably know better than to ask for anything is anyone treating you differently no um you know I I was actually in Costco here in Vegas a couple days ago and like four or five people stopped me or just said hi to me like hey congrats great game I'm happy for you but no one is like doing anything kind of out of the ordinary yeah are you getting recognized just like left and right I feel like you'd be a celebrity I think people lot there's a lot of double takes um who are like like they kind of point at me like uh it was neat I had a pilot at the airport kind of come me goes Jeff I'm like yeah he goes oh I love the show so I mean I've definitely been stopped and it's interesting because I've this has never happened before um but everybody's been friendly you know I think it helps that you know the way I played the game and the way the games what the games kind of represent that everybody who's watching this is pretty excited for me you should just say you're Ryan sirant I I'm I think I'm gonna start doing that 100% yeah you want me to list your home terrific it was it was so funny as soon as we watched the first episode and you came on screen immediately I'm like yo it's Ryan suran yeah I've gotten that so many times it's crazy when did you start to go gray probably my 20s um my dad ever since I've known him um has had salt and pepper his dad had like kind of bright white hair so I started going gray in my 20s I tried to kind of camouflage a little bit I wasn't ready to to fully grow up and then once I got married I said let's Let It Go and um every year just gets silver and whiter I think it's a good look yeah no it's it helps that like this has like been in the last five years like people will dyee their hair this color um so yeah it's I think I'm riding the wave at the right time so when are you going to meet Ryan surand feel like this has to happen there's got to be a collab I got to figure out how to make it happen you know and um you know fortunately someone on his on his team is a big fan of Beast game so I've been messaging him so hopefully I can get out to New York and yeah you know what I'm gonna shoot him a text I'm gonna send I'm gonna send him a photo right now awesome let's see there you go the collab has got to be coming soon so in terms of the money I'm curious what's it like paying or potentially paying $5 million in taxes yeah it sucks it's not fun um well especially like in today's day and age where you kind of see where some of our tax dollars are being spent it's like G man I can put it to better use but I it's the nature of the Beast you know and I think for me it's kind of going how can I minimize my tax burden um you know whether it's through kind of charitable um deductions or um setting up a donor ADV advice fund to be able to continue to fund research in the years ahead but I'm sure there's better ways for me to figure it out so it so funny I was thinking about this because there was a post that went super viral on X and the title was winner of Beast games is going to pay $5 million in taxes to the state of California and the IRS and my response I was like right on it I responded back and I'm like well actually if your wife becomes a real estate professional you're able to deduct real estate paper losses against your or active income so hypothetically because it's early enough in the year she could be a real estate professional spend 750 hours on that this year you go and use some of that money as a down payment on a commercial property you then do What's called the cost segregation analysis to be able to take paper losses against that property to your income so let's say as an example you put $2 million down on a $10 million building you're able to depreciate $8 million of that building now all of a sudden you've just saved D two $25 million in taxes that you could then have working for you and not pay you know it's funny because I've been on um real estate Twitter real estate X for like five years and so like cost segregation analysis has gotten super hot and I feel like I've never had a reason to do it and um my wife has like always been interested in real estate so like you might you might have planted a seed I'll I'll have to let you know this would be so easy for you to do now especially because you're getting a lot of eyeballs on you just say hey is anyone looking to buy or sell a house my wife would would love to help you out she just got her license she's giving it 100% she's working with another agent who's been doing this for 20 years we'd love to help you by the way she'd be awesome at it like I think like my wife like anything I see I'm like oh gosh Jen you'd be an awesome figure skater you'd be a great chef like she anything she touches she's gold at So like um Jen I think we need to get your license soon yeah the the other option see I don't know if you could do this uh because California might want to call this like California sourced income I I really don't know they can't be strict about this but potentially looking into setting up a corporation uh in another state with no state income tax uh Delaware I think is pretty pretty popular Nevada is pretty popular too setting up a corporation so that the money goes to the corporation the corporation pays I think it's a flat like 20% income tax on that but then the corporation could then disperse the money as needed and that way you're not taking the money personally it belongs to the corporation but perhaps that could be used to fund research or certain things so now you're only paying 20% $2 million in tax which is a lot versus five Graham you're hired no I mean no no my fee is by the way only a million dollars exactly yes great deal for you y it's just 25% of all the savings no um the the these are awesome ideas and and one thing that's just happened recently is once this got out and I've I've been introduced to some more people through some great connections so connection I trust I've had some awesome conversations with tax attorneys that like totally open my eyes to you know obviously legal structures to be able to kind of preserve and grow your wealth and it's like these are things I would never have had access to like these tools of the uber wealthy um man it is crazy how much I didn't know did you get any bad advice like someone someone's telling you like yo I got this new like uh roller skating rank it's going to be like the next big thing or this new meme coin no one's pushing no no no one's been pushing too hard at things but like I definitely have felt some people planting seeds like oh yeah yeah like um you know I might have this opportunity coming up you know let me know if you're interested it it hasn't come to fruition but I i' imagine I'll be getting a lot of phone calls people say money doesn't buy happiness but how did it feel to win $10 million um winning $10 million was awesome um did it bring me happiness I'd say at the time it kind of brought me like stress um but ultimately after it kind of fizzled out like I I think peace of mind is The Ultimate Gift of the $10 million everything my wife and I ever dreamed about has kind of uh we have line of sight to it because of because of winning Beast Game season one now besides buying the Lamborghini was there anything that you spent money on I'm joking by the way I mean I'm it's so funny because like so many people have said that to me I picture myself in a Lamborghini and I just feel so out of place a top down oh my gosh I always think you won $10 million but what about 20 if you just put it on black cuz I think black is a lock today that's what I think I mean just on a coin flip tails that's what I'm saying I would love to do that I mean I mean how fun would that be but we'd have to get Jimmy here because it's good content we need we need to get this thing filmed the first thing we spent it on and we spent this actually before we got the money um was we just went on a a nice really nice family vacation to Maui um my kids have never been on a beach vacation even though we live in California and we brought um the in-laws so my sister-in-law her husband and their kids and we just had an awesome trip but other than that you know you'll still see me cruising around town in my Honda Odyssey Minivan maybe I'll upgrade it to a Tesla Model y someday um Elon at dinner maybe you can get me a nice deal on that too are you getting any other opportunities because of the show like appearances like people pay you to show up at the club I mean what that's the one thing you choose out of all the other opportunities to say cool people reaching out like who who's reached out to you who's slid in your DMs yeah no um what was really interesting was like a couple days like might have been a day after like Logan Paul slides in my DMs and he's like yo bro like dude that was awesome I love you I love how you played I'm so proud of you I'm happy for your family I'm like and in Logan I'm actually we're both from Ohio and we actually went to the same College I'm just way older than he is but it's just like Logan Paul just dm' me like how cool is this yeah and I've had some opportunities I mean to be here on your podcast is like crazy like like I mean I've seen thank you it's a blessing you're showing up here I know and I got to be on Good Morning America and my wife's like what are you gonna do next Dancing with the Stars I'm like maybe like I got rhythm um but it's just yeah it's the doors have opened and I get to tell Lucas's story and I get to share my story and um it's been awesome I mean I I I hope more doors open up and I'll definitely let you know and do you miss competing in Beast games like was there a part of you afterwards where you're like really sad it's over oh like that is that's one of the things one of the reasons why people don't take bribes is playing the games is so fun like you the fear of missing out and not playing anymore is real and so the challenges are fun thinking about the challenges are fun strategizing on what you think it's going to be and how you're going to respond so when it's over it's kind of like now what so um I I wish I had something to fill that kind of competitive strategic uh void so you received the $10 million wire only recently M could you show us that screenshot no way so that's what it looks like isn't that crazy that is nuts there's a lot of zeros there wow how many people have seen that like do you just show it to people everywhere he walks know I mean obviously I don't want to do that I know it puts puts a Target on my back but I I posted it so Jimmy posted it on Twitter like I you know just wired $10 million to the winner and I like post my receiving side of it and say like no take backs and uh it's just surreal like to see again to win $500,000 is amazing a million $2 million $5 million are you kidding me $10 million is ridiculous I mean it really is absolutely ridiculous because I signed up on a little webcam video with my son you should have messed with Mr Beast and just said D I never received it I don't know what happen never hit my account where did it go I mean I'll again I'll do that after I win season two that's perect do you think you're going to be able to compete in season two um I think if I did I would be a Target like like you think about how how people want to take Mia out after she won the island oh I I would be Target number one walk us through the first day after receiving $10 million what did you do so I received it Friday the Friday after um the next day I actually I was in LA and I drove back to S Francisco uh area by myself and um I just called family and hung out I mean it was U it was nothing changed it was really odd you know it was like okay like this one in my bank account I get this ultimate kind of sense of peace of mind but I'm like what what do I do now like like what what what am I supposed to do with this like and then like and and then my mind kind of goes like gosh I need to figure out how to make it work like I've had five months to prepare for this but now it's go time was there like a test payment did you get like a dollar sent to you first and then Jimmy's like okay yeah you got the dollar okay cool let me send the 10 no it was it was just1 Million sent the 10 million $10 million I mean it's it was just I didn't like I remember the Beast team kind of said hey by the way the wire is going to get sent out today like it might take a couple days within an hour or two like I like I think my wife said like hey check and see if it's there and I opened up my account I'm like oh my gosh this $10 million is sitting like a $10 million input into my checking account I'm like this is ridiculous if I'm sending like $150 to a contractor like I'm sending a dollar to make sure that they received it for 100% And so say he like so part of my like raw dogged a $10 million payment to you just sent it totally raw dog insane insane yeah no and and like and there was no like hey did you get it because me did you get it I'm the same way like hey if I wire someone money or send a like hey did you get it like did are you sure you got it but there was nothing I was like just sent that's horri that's crazy I would at least follow up like yeah you got this right yeah it I mean it was hysterical I mean obviously um we verified my you know Bank routing number and account numbers like three or four times I had to sign a paper and all that stuff so like I feel like they kind of go oh it's on you we put the numbers in on you yeah but but but here's the crazy thing about the Beast team is like just because just as I couldn't tell my parents about this inside Mr Beast not everybody knew that it was actually 10 million and not five wow most people didn't know who the winner was so it's like kind of like when they had to tell accounting hey by the way we need to wire the winner the money and it's 10 million like like they had to like say by the way you can't tell anybody cuz like they want they they were so committed to their content that they even in the last challenge they kind of struck the set it was like barebones staff and crew because they wanted to reduce any any kind of um opportunity for leaks so saying Jimmy didn't even check with accounting to see if he could spend $5 more million do oh no I mean he he knew he could but accounting did not know that the winner was 10 million oh what my God yeah so it's like mean like this is one of the things that I love so much about them and I I'm a big fan of kind of discernment and sharing you know being knowing who to share what with and I just love how they kept the secret I love how no one knew how the game ended until it aired and you're saying that there wasn't anything that maybe you've want it for a couple years but it's like ah you know these headphones are like $400 I have like a pair of $20 cheapos that I can continue using it's fine there wasn't anything like that that you like splurged the first day you got the 10 million bucks um I think I bought a pair of shoes like running shoes like like Dad are they pricey I me cheese no no Louis Vuitton yes totally um I mean there's always been a like a watch I've wanted but like I mean I literally have not had a watch since I was 19 it was a Fossil watch um and I got I can tell the time on my phone so like there's nothing kind of crazy out of the ordinary that I want um you kind of for me still my focus is my family and trying to fund research so it's like I'm sure I will splurge and get something and I think I have to I think like anytime you have whether you have an exit from you know a company or you have an awesome year or big bonus like I think it's worth celebrating cuz if not like why the heck you doing it it's just numbers and zeros on a screen do you still keep in touch with Jimmy um yeah I mean it's not like him and I were like buddies on the show like we knew each other we would talk to each other but since like him and I have dm'd a handful of times and like literally I'll message him and he'll respond like it's like oh my how does he have the time to do it but he um you know since he's gotten engaged to Thea who's I got to meet on the show and she is just brilliant and smart and beautiful like I just am super excited to see what those two do together like like so young like power couple like I'm like man I can't wait to be your biggest fans going for your reason why uh throughout the entire show you're talking about your son what is his condition how does how does that how how does that even come to be like how how are you diagnosed with it yeah what causes it so my son Lucas has a rare disease called creatine transporter deficiency or ctd do you guys take creatine mhm yeah um you know creatine is great for kind of bodybuilders performance athletes but it's also just great for normal brain health so his body makes it naturally it gets into the blood and the travels through the blood to the Final Destination which is like your your muscles and your brain but there's a transporter that takes it there and his transporter is defective so his brain doesn't get the creatine the energy it needs to function develop and Thrive and U it presented when he was super young like about 8 months old he start we notice he starts missling M Milestones he's not able to kind of sit up he's not able to crawl um he's not very verbal like doesn't cry a ton and we hooked them up to every machine did every test saw every specialist for like 18 to 24 months and um there was no answer until finally we called in one favor and like hey yeah like maybe you should try to get an mrss in addition to an MRI and that showed that the creatine was stopping at the blood brain barrier and he got diagnosed with ctd and you know Jen and I are kind of like and I was The Optimist like maybe he's development delayed and Jen's like more pragmatic like we need to take the steps to make sure it's not any unique condition and once we get the diagnosis we realize okay great he we know what he has but then we soon realize there was no therapy like there's no treatment there's zero cure for what he has and so now we're kind of in this no man's land where we know what we have but there's nothing we can do about it so I join this U nonprofit called the association for creating deficiencies become a board member and realize hey I need to get out there and spread awareness so I started doing funky things to try to raise awareness I walked 68 miles for the gene SLC 688 I wrote a Christmas song to try to raise money uh my son jack and I did this kind of rendition on Home Alone 2 to try to raise money and we're just trying to do all we can to kind of raise more awareness and raise money to try to ultimately find a treatment but um Lucas is a sweet boy he's a happy boy how difficult is it to raise money it's hard you know it it's it's more difficult than you think you know the these people who are super philanthropic who have big Pockets um they also want to change the world and for creating transport deficiency there's less than 400 kids diagnosed so there's certainly bigger ends that you can impact so and then also Academia you know it's tough to get them interested in something so small big Pharma obviously it's you know and I I don't blame them you know they're in a for-profit business they want to make money it's hard for them to invest into stuff that is really hard to recoup your investment so a lot of the fundraising depends on parent Advocates and there's a lot of people who are kind of repeat doners who are awesome um but to fund and cure a rare disease cost upwards like $50 million what do you think is the best solution to finding a cure for something like that cure and treatment are kind of synonymous I mean technically a cure is like something that like hey it's never going to happen again sure but kids will be born with this and the ultimate goal is to have a kid diagnosed at Birth and receive a treatment within um a week that will ultimately allow them to have a normal life and that's the kind of the summum bonum that's where we want to get that's like the highest good um but to get there like there's different kind of ways you can get there it could be Gene editing gene therapy it could be drug repurposing like finding drugs that are already proven safe and effect by the FDA repurposing them and realizing they can get creates in the brain or like Stanford's working on small molecule like how can we make something so small that it can get through the bloodb brain barrier to help either induce creatine creation of the brain or bring cency to the brain so like we we have researchers at Stanford and Italy and British Columbia and Toronto who are doing awesome stuff um and I think eventually we'll Crack the Code but boosting this with uh injection of money is you know fingers crossed going to help it get there quicker how can viewers help if they want to yeah they can go to um you know actually right in hell um me and my friend Jeremy from the show are rcking across California so we're carrying the weight of Lucas between us and we're rucking 365 miles across California to raise awareness and raise funds for the 365 days a year that Lucas suffers with this condition um so you can go to Ruck for rare.com right now and see ways to contribute U but you can also go to my website Legacy 8 31.com there's a ton of information on ctd and other ways you can get involved but spreading the word and even contributing um just even a little bit really helps us go a long way yeah I've been watching your videos I really enjoy it good yeah so I'll link to your uh Channel Down Below in the description I will that stuff will be link down highly recommend you guys go and subscribe and support because the videos are really interesting and like sharing some of the behind the scenes from your perspective is really cool awesome no I'm glad you enjoy him how did his condition change your life um in a ton of ways it changed my life um you know it it immediately kind of forces you to change your priorities and change your perspective so Lucas brought Faith back into my life um and he also allowed me to kind of see the Beauties and the bumps um like that this is a challenge that is lifelong like Lucas as of today will live with mom and dad forever and eventually there will be a time where Mom and Dad are gone and where does Lucas live like will people take care of him will he be treated well and so for me it just forced me to look at things differently and see the things that are important like Lucas has given me so many blessings in life like my Outlook how I treat others how I value my family is so different because of what he gave to me so um you know like one of the reasons why I'm out rocking across California one of the reasons why I set up for Beast games is going if I can ever repay all the blessings he he's given me man I will be a happy man I'll be a happy Dad so until uh you know I don't think that's ever going to end cuz he keeps giving me blessings and so does his older brother Jack so um he's changed my life he's changed my perspective and allowed me to have a ton more empathy for families like ours it's um it's a different journey and it can be hard but it doesn't have to suck you know if you if you really search hard I think you'll find the blessings in these in these bumps so winning 10 million bucks you can stretch that pretty far how are you planning on investing it yeah and I I think that's the ultimate goal is how do I make it work for my family and how do I make it work so I can continue to invest into research um kind of first things first like just as you like Jimmy wired me 10 million I wired a great chunk of that over to a financial institution to kind of get it to work and right now it's kind of sitting in kind of some treasury ETFs um as I figure out kind of where I'm going to put it but it's like this opens up a whole new world for me because I'm now a qualified purchaser it's like structured product products um different um different private Investments that I would never have had access to so there's different things I want to do to make sure my family's taking care of over the long term we got to look at kind of uh ppli we have to look at long-term care insurance like making sure we do things so my our kids don't have to care for us um but also like how do I make sure that we're funding the research we need to how do we stretch those dollars um so making donations this year setting up a donor advise fund to continue to invest um over the years and hopefully into great Investments so those dollars grow uh it's a great problem to have but it's a little overwhelming so I I have a great team of people who uh I know and trust who are helping me um and the ultimate goal is to stretch these dollars to continue to make an impact on my family and and other families like ours yeah it seems like all the fancy stuff like if people try to pitch you like oh I got this great fund and this and that like it's just distractions it usually is it's usually the really simple approach of like hey 70 % us equities 20% International 10% treasuries slash tends to be the safest and and like long-term does really well yeah and and my wife is more conservative you know I'm more when it comes to investing you know I'll specialize like you know when I look at my my IRAs it's like my Roth and my traditional I own three stocks in it and that's it you probably would what stocks Tesla I own micro strategy and I own coinbase very risky how long have you own those a while so I I've had a good run those are those are insane stocks to own recently yeah so I've had a good run on those and for me um especially being in my IRA it's like I can be a little more risky at least how I do it and then so this other stuff I'll be a little bit more conservative and take my wife's approach and kind of your approach and just make sure these dollars stretch wow don't tell Jack whatever you're investing in because as soon as he buys it it's going to go down no way every single time it's bad recently too cuz oh cuz I do you remember how I was like I have way too big of a cash position right now like I need to buy stocks so I created a whole new I use M1 Finance at least right now I won't forever uh I created this new account within my M1 account and it was called my vug account it's my growth stock it's like an index fund basically put a bunch in there I was averaging into that I've been doing that now for like probably about a year and then I realized my cash position is too big so I started really putting money remember you telling me about the end of the year when the market was at a at the end of the year and I really and I'm overall down so much in that account and it's an index fund because I just bought it the wrong time it's and I've been I've had it for over a year I just like and I I did small Investments while like you know it was obviously just skyrocketing and then right at the peak is when I just like unloaded into it and I'm down so much isn't it crazy how it works out I mean like but it's consist it's not working out it's not working I it's crazy how it all works out well hey but but doing the exact opposite but you got to hold it oh well yeah I mean that's I don't let it keep me up at night and every day that the Market's down I'm like well you know like you know my averaging in because I don't even have enough money now to like continue bulk investing like I was so that's the worst has been going on for years I mean this has been like since 2020 or 2021 everything you know it's crazy are you your generation's Jim Kramer I think I am because also I built up this Robin Hood account and I've talked about it in this podcast before and I built it from like I think it was like 22 Grand all the way to 75 the best investment that I made was Dogecoin and I turned $100 into justy of $177,000 and then I parlayed that into basically everything was call options on Robin Hood and paler and then that was when they started plummeting and so I got margin called and I was forced to sell my call options on these so I couldn't hold on to them anymore and that's like leveraged positions and guess what's happened to Robin Hood and Palante here recently crushing it they're crushing it but guess what happened to me I had to give away my shares because I got margin called on that account so it's short-term calls uh it was long so I was like I was like as I maxed it out in terms of the time so I think it was like a year and a half margin and so I I don't know what it is but especially with the recent purchases of the index funds it's crazy as soon as I start loading in because I've had it for over a year but I'm still down so you're a big Tesla fan are you going are you getting long options on Tesla yeah but the thing is it's like the heavier I go into something usually the worse it performs and I haven't gone incredibly heavy into Tesla it's one of my smaller position it's still okay I was pissed on Robin Hood because I was investing in Robin Hood and Jack saw me buy Robin Hood stock and he's like oh I'm going to buy some of that too immediately the next day hundreds of thousands of dollarss right now in my Robin Hood account because of Robin Hood stock and paler because they've just been going like hundreds of thousands of here but here's how bad it is there was a day where Robin Hood just kept going down it was down like 80% and I go to Jack I'm like I'll pay you to sell your stock and he's really stubborn he's no like come on there's got to be a price I could pay you guess what we come up with a price he sells his Robin Hood stock the next day it's up 10% so so when I when you read those financial question to kind of figure out your risk profile it's like if you lost more than x% do you buy more do you hold do you sell you're the one who sells no no like like I do the right thing now at least after that whole you know paler and Robin Hood Fiasco I now do the right thing I'm dollar cost averaging into index funds that's everything that's all I've ever done now since that incident um but still it doesn't matter there was another one that was really funny uh a buddy was talking about what he was invested in Jack's like we we're not I'm going to go into that too he buys into it and this person is always didn't know that I bought into it about but but he's always right on the money like very smart and he's got into like certain things before they've taken off like his track record is fantastic so Jack knows this is like well if his track record's like basically 100% I'm gonna I'm pretty safe buying into this how is that doing uh I had to sell because it I bought calls on it so I you know just leverage positions and uh basically lost everything but it wasn't I mean I love how so you are a dollar cost average into index funds but you're doing leverage calls well the thing is like I did that with like an account with $2,000 in it but I do have like my daily Auto invest which is more like not more than but it's it's a substantial amount that I'm investing every day into I love that you DCA every day that's great yeah a lot of people do it every week I prefer to do it every day Graham's a weirdo and he likes to manually do it every day but I recommend it to a lot of my we also we have a few friends who we know when they buy into something it's the peak and so with Bitcoin we have one friend in particular that's like no I'm not going near that and we know okay when that person Buys in we sell we have to because that's the peak yeah like I was always a little bit skeptical Graham is very what do you call that word that thing that word when optimistic no it's not optimistic it's uh when you don't want to walk under a ladder superstitious yeah gr's very superstitious so he starts connecting the dots with a lot of things and I am exactly the opposite and he brought this to me this whole Jack trading You Know Jack inverse trading thing and I'm like like I don't believe it I don't recently it's it's it's really hard to ignore with the index fun thing well it it's so funny I forget who uh who you had on the show but he talks about like knowledge parody where it's oh uh Chris Camilo which I loved it was like it's like like to be able to spot these Trends but yeah once you it's like your friend like once you start talks about it okay it's time to get out like yeah if he's getting in we get out so we got a good group of friends diverse enough where I know if this person buys this sell if this person sells that buy I love it just between them I think we got the markets covered but Jack is like the ultimate Belle weather yeah of like buy or sell like the greed fear index I I think it's the Jack of the past I think 2025 and Beyond is going to be I think I seen to make more Dogecoin Investments some super Super H you could make a lot of money just uh people pay you just to know how much you're investing in the market and what you're buying so they could do the opposite that yeah but if they're paying me for it then like like the universe would want to minimize the amount of gain that I possibly have so if they're paying me for it then like the first couple trades I would do would be successful but to a very small degree to where everyone's like refunding their to me and then I would start yeah that's what I think but no no index funds they've been overall I'm positive but way less that probably should be well and especially at your age your timeline is so you got you got a long timeline yeah so good to know that you have some plans to mitigate your tax implications and that's going to be pretty brutal when you end up paying that yeah and um we'll have to report back whether you know we have this amazing new real realtor in Northern California who's got we got a great commercial property so have to see if that yeah keep posting videos I think that would be really important and uh do more appearances I think the more awareness you raise especially now because you have I think a few months right now where you could really maximize everything before people are like oh I've seen already I don't need to watch it again old news season 2's coming out exactly I think you got three months where you could really make the most of it so I would do you have any regrets from the show um no um you know obviously you look at the ultimate outcome you know I won season one of Beast games I won $10 million like for me to have regrets I think is like super selfish um so no you know regrets per se but there are times where I wish I could have maybe helped a friend more like uh like one is on the telephone voting game like could I have done something different to have help Patrick get to the final six um granted he could have beat me in the top six he thinks he could have but he wouldn't have um but like those are the types of things like could I have done something different to help a friend get further well speaking of a friend I would love to have Jeremy on here who turned down a million dollars all right Jeremy how did it feel to reject a million dollar for the sake of your team team and then it seems like shortly afterwards everyone forgot about that and it seems like there was an uprising against you man I feel like that's uh more of the editing you know you look back at episode 4 and there was definitely a lot of drama for sure but uh I was able to receive the the majority of the coins and still make it to the city and to be able to bring really good people through so it's interesting how loud a few people can make a room why did you turn down a million dollars though Ben Shapiro got very upset at you for got to watch that I haven't seen it yet you should yeah he gets very frustrated all right Ben I'll I'll take not that frustrated but he was not thrilled yeah well and I get it if you're if you're looking at it from just a financial point of view if you're looking at it from a game um as well again it is a game where they're to to win money but it's also this experience and it's this massive social experiment of that that line of who you are in the real world and who you are in this this game well this game is still the real world how are you perceived what does your word mean and in this situation you know we I've been voted in as a leader with 60 amazing people that every battle you go into is this $5 million battle and we lost and got resurrected and it was incredible and then they put their trust in me so I wasn't going to break that and I look down I've got really good friends there we we've got Jordan we've got uh Jeff is down there we've got Daphne we've got D there's Tim just so many incredible people that have these dreams and these visions and these things that they would like to receive from this and these people have all turned down bribes to be here episode one they could have hit a buzzard and could have taken anything from $10,000 all the way to $100,000 you know again looking down Jeff is a dear friend of mine I I care for his family and want to help his his son and their condition to see if we can spread this awareness and everyone's like well then if you really cared you should have hit the button and just given him some money but it's like well no there's so much more to the journey than that and to turn down $100,000 and then to have it be ripped away from you literally almost the next day that's that's brutal was it easy an easy decision to not take the million yeah yeah for sure so you knew from the start yep and again I've got four kids at home and I I want to set an example for them of you know if we're going to get ahead in life it's not because we're lying to people it's not because we're being deceitful you know if there was a opportunity to take that million dollars and eliminate myself oh man I would have taken it and I would have been home in a minute but again I want my kids to have that that level of integrity and understanding that the decisions that we make have massive impact hypothetically let's just say it didn't stop at a million it kept going is there a point where you would have hit it it gets a 5 million box $10 million $15 million I don't know we're going to have to find out you know play back um talk to Jimmy talk to your dad Elon and let's just let's just see um you know because right now I'd like to say that you know I still wouldn't hit it for the record he he mentioned my dad Elon because we had previously discussed that like there's a rumor going around apparently that my dad's Elon Musk or that like my wealth and my dad's alleged wealth is directly tied to Elon musk's and some like mineral mind it had a lot of likes Minal yeah so someone commented that's that's what we've heard all through Death Valley on this Ru hearing the rumors of this the the idea is apparently somehow that I'm like I have a trust fund and these people are commenting and they get hundreds of likes on these comments of people like saying I have all of this wealth and then other people are commenting back they're like really I've been watching the show for years I had no idea that Jack's Jack's dad was Elon mother Jack's dad's wealth is directly tiedy and Jack has this trust fun he's like oh yeah you didn't know about that well there's clear evidence and I'm like just reading through this comment there of this one guy and they're getting so many likes so it's show me some evidence I would love to know where my trust fund is don't know where it is but I think it's because I I figured it out because there was the PayPal Mafia which is like all of these super super intelligent investors they're all incredibly wealthy Elon Musk was one of them one of yes yeah one of the mafia members names is Jack Selby not me you know unfortunately it's not me but we share the same name so that's pretty cool I remember okay so at least it can be rooted in some grain of like find one picture of me next to him please like see if we're even following each other on Instagram at least before you say oh yeah like this guy's there's there's no evidence people don't do research when they read a comment like that they just take it at face value like oh wow yeah that must be true because this guy said it had 200 likes so 200 other people agreed with yeah and if Jack Selby if anyone knows that Jack Selby tell him to reach out I'd love to have a conversation with him I think having him on the podcast would actually like we could have the best title of all time Jack Jack Selby is now worth $100 million not clickbait it'd be amazing see there you go so prove to the world once in for all but what about rumors for you that you're a cult leader oh man that was so funny because I'm definitely not a cult leader I'm just sitting there praying because literally every situation is a five million $5 million choice and the pressure and the stress from the coins you know I'm dropping to my knees praying because I don't want to hear from anybody else it's like Lord just help lead and guide me through this I need your opinion I need to calm down I need to think through this and instead of taking what everyone else is throwing my way I know who I am I'm very confident who I am and the the amazing life that I've been blessed with and uh I'm not going to let other people's opinion change that find it funny the main criticism is that you weren't going to give away a ticket to join the island to a girl is that like how did that rumor get started yeah that was one of the rumors and it uh it wasn't a rumor that was something that I said I I had a lady come up and say well if you win please take me and I said well to be honest with you I I probably won't I'm going to respect my wife and I I don't want her to watch the show and see me you know filling a helicopter full of women and flying off to a tropical vacation that's what Jack would do like that would be a jack move would your wife question that though if it's like 5050 like you know two women should know you well enough to men she does but what did we just talk about we just talked about the internet and how one comment of some person that has no understanding or research can change the things you became wealthy and your dad is Elon Musk it got 200 comments just takes one comment on the internet to say oh Jeremy has this behind the scenes relation and it's just foolishness and how would how would that impact your life if someone were to say yeah he picked her because they were having romance behind be so disrespectful to my home and my personal life and my wife so I'd much rather be called a cult leader than an adulterer yeah because you're friends with Jeff and you technically gave up a million dollars so he could win 10 how does it work if you guys are out at a restaurant like who who pays the bill you know if I had enough money to to pay the bill maybe maybe i' I'd take it but most days as much as I eat when we go out he he has to take care of it do you do you Bill you pick expensive spots oh not expensive I just like a lot like the first time I think we went out to eat even before the winning of the game I ordered 20 chicken wings he's like no we all got food already I was like no those are those are from me he's like oh oh there's nothing like it that is a great feeling I just realized we have Ryan Saran and Brandon turner oh my gosh that is hilarious that is hilarious the real estate gurus are here yes so Brandon Turner What's the best way to invest in multif family real estate now listen a lot of people are still into the real estate game but we're actually going more into agricultural but mostly into chickens the price of eggs is going to be what's going to deter the market so everything that I've put into real estate is done chicken farm in everything we've got how much does that cost I think we're taking out a $35 million loan uh 18% interest growth rate of the chicken chicken eggs is pretty good huh sorry this all can I can I throw you some money are you raising Jack Buy in raising our own sounds like a good deal thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour seriously it means a lot that you took the time out of your day I'm sure you're a very busy man congratulations and I can confidently say I feel like the right person won Beast games watching you on the show and also meeting you in person you're like the nicest really it's so enjoyable to spend time with you thanks for coming on the show yeah we're also going to be making a donation and anyone else who wants to follow along do that as well the link is down below in the description oh amazing thanks so much hope to see you guys soon shout out Jeremy Brandon Turner shout out shout out Ryan yeah thank you guys for watching till next time