Video summary
Most people operate under what is described as the law of accident, allowing their lives to be dictated by random circumstances rather than conscious design. To break this cycle, individuals must treat uncertainty not as a barrier but as a muscle that can be trained and strengthened over time. This process begins with establishing strict rules for showing up during designated work hours and segments, creating accountability through self-rating systems where one evaluates their focus, flow state, and adherence to goals at the end of each session. The transcript emphasizes that desire is not an innate trait but a process; therefore, people must actively build energy into their endeavors by identifying their "why"—such as building something with a spouse or achieving freedom—and embodying those feelings through enthusiastic communication with others. This combination of clear rules, self-assessment, and emotional investment creates a self-reinforcing loop that transforms new habits from difficult tasks into second nature over two weeks to a month. A critical component of this transformation involves expanding one's perspective beyond the echo chambers formed by similar-minded peers who reinforce existing limitations. The speaker advocates for exposure to unique role models, such as monks or billionaires, noting that "I am what I think you think I am," meaning our identity is shaped by external perceptions and societal bubbles rather than internal reality. By shadowing individuals with different lifestyles—observing their routines, challenges, and successes—one can determine if a specific path aligns with personal values before committing to it fully. This approach prevents the common mistake of chasing results without understanding the necessary process; for instance, while everyone may admire an enlightened monk's aura, few are willing to accept waking up at 2:00 AM and sleeping only four hours daily. Consequently, finding a job that fits one's ideal life requires asking who is living the desired day-to-day grind rather than just focusing on titles or salary, acknowledging that current roles often do not match future aspirations. The discussion further challenges the cultural obsession with "strengths," arguing that relying solely on natural talents does not correlate strongly with long-term success in happiness, health, and relationships. High performers are rarely born fully capable; instead, they develop skills by stepping outside their zone of certainty and embracing discomfort as a sign of growth. The speaker cites advice from Dropbox founder Drew Houston regarding uncertainty: it is like lifting weights where one must start small, progress gradually, and accept that pain indicates working up to a heavier weight class while pulling a muscle signals the need for rest. This philosophy extends to writing and other creative endeavors, such as researching pentameter for two years without prior knowledge, proving that greatness comes from deliberate development rather than innate ability. Emotions like fear or overwhelm are framed not as facts but as temporary states that should never stop an individual from pursuing their goals if they can be managed through training and perspective shifts. Protecting confidence is identified as a vital strategy for making high-quality decisions, necessitating morning routines that prevent immediate engagement with negative digital stimuli like checking phones upon waking. The speaker details personal rituals such as avoiding the phone in airplane mode on the other side of the room, practicing gratitude by noticing small blessings like soft sheets or survival itself, and reviewing one win from the previous day to counteract self-criticism. These practices feed both the mind and body—often with a specific drink including apple cider vinegar and green powder—to set an offensive tone for the day rather than playing defense against low confidence. Furthermore, in a rapidly changing world where AI and robotics will render many current skills obsolete within years of graduation, the most valuable meta-skill is learning how to learn best oneself. This requires testing different methods, practicing discipline, and unlearning ingrained patterns through experiences like travel that force new ways of thinking. Ultimately, the path to a meaningful life involves job crafting, where individuals assign their own purpose and meaning to tasks rather than adhering strictly to external definitions or descriptions. The speaker illustrates this with an example of someone who changed photographs for people not because it was part of her official job description but because she saw it as how *she* chose to see her role in caring for others. This ability to imbue mundane activities with beauty and purpose builds the confidence needed to eventually pursue larger dreams outside the workplace, dispelling the notion that one must wait for a perfect break before making an impact. By aligning daily actions with true essence—whether cleaning a monastery or polishing a heart—and seeking love within current circumstances, individuals can cultivate the courage to turn small experiments into reality. The conclusion is clear: success and fulfillment are not accidental but result from designing a life built on rules, trained uncertainty, continuous learning, and the active creation of meaning in every experience.
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Most people live by the law of accident.
Don't let that be you. If you think of
uncertainty as a muscle and you train it
like a muscle, things start changing.
You've got to find a way to be excited
about what you're doing.
Where you have assigned meaning to the
experience fueling that work rather than
letting the job description be your only
definition of it. When they say, "Do I
want to make an impact?" And the answer
is yes and they own it.
They realize they're going to have to
develop.
The thing that I love is that you're
using the word build because that's
exactly what we're going to be doing
here. You're going to construct what you
want your life to be. You're going to
break it up into different hours and
segments so you know when it's go time
and then you're going to build rules
into your life that mandate that you
show up during those times. So I have a
whole host of rules in my life. Uh they
can be small, simple rules like I get
out of bed in 10 minutes or less. Uh
they can be more profound and impactful
goals or excuse me, rules. And I have a
rule in my life where Monday through
Friday, if I'm awake, I'm either working
or working out. So if I were doing
something like you in this situation, I
would say, "Okay, these two day two
hours or five hours, however much time
it is that you want to allocate to the
business, you're going to say, 'I am
working on the business during these
times.'" I'm going to tell myself, I'm
going to tell other people. That way
there's accountability. Then I'm going
to score myself at the end of that
session. Did I show up? Did I start when
I said I was going to start? Did I go
hard the whole time? And I'm just going
to give myself a rating every day
depending on where I'm going, how I did
that day. Was I distracted? Did I have
flow? Was it a great day, a bad day? And
by doing that, I'm going to hold myself
accountable so I can see over time that
I show up when I said I was going to
show up. What was the score that I gave
myself for staying focused, staying on
task, and getting things done? And then
the third thing to really make this
stick,
you've got to find a way to be excited
about what you're doing. And oftentimes
when people come and they say that
they're having trouble making a new
habit stick, the reality is they just
don't want it badly enough. And when you
realize that that's not an indictment on
you as a person, that's a simple
statement about the fact that desire is
a process. So, you don't There's very
few things in your life that you just
sort of automatically are excited about.
Most of things, if you really want to
kick ass at something, you've got to
build a ton of energy into getting
excited about that thing. Now, that
comes in a couple different forms.
Number one is your why. Why are you
doing this? So, it might be, "Hey, my
husband and I were really excited about
this. This is going to be our path to
freedom and building something with him.
Like, this means everything to me, and I
couldn't be more excited, more honored
to be working side by side with my
husband to build something, to show each
other what we're capable of, to take
care of each other, to, you know, give
ourselves what we need to build a
family." Whatever. You're going to make
that why. You're going to say it. You're
going to say it with enthusiasm. It's
what I call embodying what you want to
feel. So, if you want to be excited,
when you're telling other people, when
you're even talking to yourself, when
you're talking to your husband, you're
actually going to let yourself get hyped
up. There's a mechanism in the brain
that says, "Whoa. Hey, we're all hyped
up about this. It must actually be worth
being hyped up about." And it becomes a
self-reinforcing loop. So, we've got our
why. And then we want to make sure that
we're putting the identity into it that
we want to get out. So, if we want to be
the kind of person that shows up and
works hard, then we say, "I'm the type
of person that shows up and works hard."
And you're going to lean into that and
the why that you have your husband, you
guys are building something, you're
excited about it, you're telling other
people, you're embodying it, and now
you've got the identity statement of I'm
the type of person that does this. I see
this through. And you repeat that
cocktail over and over, over and over,
and following it up with that score, and
all of the sudden, over time, and it
will take time cuz it is a process, but
over time, you're going to stick to it
because it means something to you and
your husband. You've got the rule about
showing up. You're rating yourself on
how you did that day. You're feeling
good on the days that you killed it, and
you're reminding yourself to dig a
little deeper on the days where you
don't. And I promise, if you just work
that process over and over and over, 2
weeks, a month into this, it's just
going to be second nature. You're going
to be showing up, you're going to be
excited, you're going to see it through.
And that's it. Just work the process. I
think even one step before that is is
opening yourself up to new role models
and new experiences.
See, we live in echo chambers.
We're just surrounded by the same
thinking. How often do you bump into a
monk? You know, it just doesn't happen.
You don't have No one has a dinner party
and goes, "Oh yeah, we just invited the
monk, you know, from town, like the
local monk." Like no one ever does that.
And so,
we meet people who are just like us most
of the time.
And we talk about this in business all
the time. If you want to be a
billionaire, spend time with
billionaires. If you want to be a
millionaire, spend time with
millionaires. If you want to be a tech
startup, spend time with, you know,
that's that's the common rhetoric that
we hear all the time.
But what if you want to find purpose and
master the mind? There's no one better
than a monk who's mastered the mind. So,
so for me, the first step is just
opening yourself up to new experiences
and new role models. Because most of us
can't see ourselves
in people, so then we try and fit
ourselves into the boxes that we do see.
And and I mean, there's this beautiful
quote that I I've been saying it
everywhere, and I wish I wrote it, but I
didn't. So, it's by a philosopher and
writer named Cooley. And he said that
today I'm not what I think I am. I'm not
what you think I am.
I am what I think you think I am.
Right? And just let that blow your mind
for a moment. It's uh it's so powerful.
I'm not what I think I am. I'm not what
you think I am. I am what I think you
think I am. So, we live in this
perception of a perception of ourselves.
Hence, my identity is made by what my
parents think I should be. My identity
is made up by what my college or
university thinks I should achieve.
While you're living in that bubble in
that echo chamber,
getting to what you really want to do is
impossible.
Because maybe that just doesn't fit. And
I think so many people feel that way
today. That they don't fit into the
current education system. They don't fit
with the three or four or five careers
that you're taught exist.
So, that process of self-excavation and
actualization first requires being
exposed. You can't be what you can't
see. If I never saw a monk, I would
never have wanted to be a monk. If I
never meet a billionaire, I wouldn't
want to be one. Because I wouldn't know
what that feels like. I don't know what
it looks like. I don't know what it
takes.
And and I think that's the biggest
challenge of our society, that we're not
exposed. So, that's the first step.
Being exposed to unique experiences and
role models. Second step is finding that
experience or role model that you're
passionate about. And exactly like you
said, taking it seriously. Shadow them.
Network with them. Spend time with them.
Observe them. Even from afar. It takes
that observation, being addicted to
observing that person's lifestyle.
And then the third step is going yes or
no.
Does that work for me?
Not everyone who's going to go off and
become a monk is going to feel like the
way I did. And that's cool.
But not everyone is going to go and
follow and shadow a billionaire and go,
"That's exactly the lifestyle I want."
They may want the result, but do they
want the hard work that goes with it?
And so for me, that's the third step.
It's observing, focusing, shadowing,
getting as close to the process of that
individual, and then going yes or no. Do
I want that process? Not do I want the
result? Everyone wants to be that monk
who's fully enlightened, you know, can
walk through, has an incredible aura
that people just gravitate towards. But
when you realize he has to wake up at
2:00 a.m. every day and sleeps about 4
to 6 hours, you're like, "Ah, you know,
I don't want to do that."
Sometimes,
instead of pushing back against the way
that we are, we can lean into it. So,
finding a way to structure your life
such that you have a job that actually
lets you do that. So, if you know, "Hey,
I need to be moving around. I need to
have a high degree of physicality in my
job." All of that, find a job that lets
you do that. You've already said that
all of your past jobs sound like they
were more suited to what you're doing
now. So, that begs the question, what
does the ideal job look like for you?
I'm guessing you've taken other jobs in
your life because you were wanting to
move up, right? So, you want to make
more money, you want a better title,
whatever the case may be. And so,
recognizing that where you are right now
may not be fully suited to where you
want to be. So, what are the things that
need to change? And I think it is very
instructive for people to ask the
question, "Who's living my ideal life?"
And that doesn't mean who's making the
most money. It means what person's life
do you want to live? The real day-to-day
grind of it. And when you identify what
your dream job is, now we need to go
about figuring out how we get that job.
And so, very quickly, a question about
managing our ADHD and figuring out how
to stay focused actually becomes a
question of how do we get good at
finding the right job. And so, if you
think about
orchestrating your life, and most people
live by the law of accident.
I want to repeat that. Most people live
by the law of accident. Don't let that
be you, right? You bump into somebody,
they know there's a job offering, or
it's closer to where you live, or it's,
you know, easier for you with the kids,
whatever. And so, you bump into these
things, it's like, "Oh, yeah, cool. Oh,
I'll make that little thing." And
instead of designing your life, you end
up just responding to sort of little
bumps along the road that end up leading
you down a path that was never a
conscious choice.
The concept of building in, the concept
of and and I love this, you can't
imagine how much I agree with you on
this,
uh
that it's not just about doing what
comes naturally. Yeah. So, what is it
about? Yeah. Oh my gosh, I'm glad you
relate with me cuz I'm getting a lot of
flak on that. So, uh
the big huge finding that really
scratches the surface of a lot of like
cultural assumptions, uh
especially in high performance, is this
big cultural conversation we have about
strengths. And you know, find your
strengths, follow your strengths, the
strengths are everything, and uh you
know, take the strengths finder, figure
out your top five strengths, follow
those, don't do anything else, or, you
know, at least know what they are and
really aim your career to that. Or aim
your behavior towards that, or, you
know, use that as a guide for
recognizing pattern. And by the way, I'm
all for it. That's all great. I I'm that
guy who says, "You know what? Any
self-reflection you do, I'm cheering you
on."
Like any assessment, any tool that makes
you look at what's inside, I'm like, all
for it. It's just that
strengths are not highly correlated with
long-term success.
Right? There's not a lot of data, and
there is not a lot of research that has
shown it leads to long-term success with
the positive outcomes uh associated with
what we care about in psychology, which
is we care about happiness, we care
about health, and we care about your
positive relationships.
And this myth that uh we just follow our
strengths to, you know,
to the promised land
is just not true when you actually talk
with high performers.
Cuz my favorite question in if it was
down this just go up to anyone who's
good and say, "Were you always good at
that?"
And they'll be like,
"No." They'll be like, "Not at all."
They're like, "Well, did you always have
an inclination to do every element of do
what you're doing really well?" "No."
Like me,
man, I sucked on stage. This year I've
talked to 60,000 people live. This is
really important because
this idea that we're just our strengths
are going to give us everything just
it's just not true. I sucked speaking on
stage. Uh matter of fact, I was
terrified of it.
Terrified.
But, one reason I love your show
is because I had that intention of I
want to make an impact.
And when someone actually asks
and and kind of owns that, like when
they say, "Do I want to make an impact?"
And the answer is yes and they own it.
They realize they're going to have to
develop. They can no longer leave their
growth to
me you know, to to to randomness.
Because if they do, they'll always be
mediocre. And they realize I got to
become something entirely above both of
those.
That's what most people don't see.
They're like, it's we've made this
binary false conversation, right? It's a
it's it's not a true sort of choice
here. It's a false dichotomy we call it,
right? It's not strengths or weaknesses.
Many of you, if you have a big dream, a
huge goal, you got to become something
entirely above and beyond any strengths
you even know about, feel, or own, and
go way beyond any weaknesses you've ever
even addressed or even you know about
cuz you're going to discover so many new
strengths and so many new weaknesses on
the path
that it's almost irrelevant what they
are now. It's what's the goal and build
into that. You know, I did not know how
to write.
Um I get a lot of critics who are like
literary guys about my books because
every book is different, right? Six
books, all of them different. And the
reason they all read differently is I am
challenging myself as a writer
to develop, to get better. Every book I
write I'm going I'm going to write this
like nothing I've ever written before.
And I go to work at building a new skill
set to be able to write. Like Manifesto,
I researched for 2 and 1/2 years just
how to write it. Wow. Not what to write,
how. How do I get that pentameter? How
do I What was the rhythm in which
revolutionist rhetoric was spoken in or
written in? Just to understand that took
me 2 and 1/2 years. So, I had no
conceptual understanding of it. It
wasn't a strength. I didn't even It
wasn't even It wasn't on my radar.
Part of the reason that people don't
take the leap is cuz you're stepping
outside of your zone of certainty. But,
no one ever got No one ever made their
dreams come true in their field of
certainty. Dude, you have the best
memory. Remarkable. Dude, I was really
into to the book and just everything.
So, that makes it easy to remember that
stuff. But, like how How do you train to
do that? Like, how do you get better at
that? So, something that I've learned
from
And you know, over the course of the
journey, there's the people who I spoke
to for the book, but there's also people
I got incredible advice from along the
way. And one was Drew Houston, the
founder and CEO of Dropbox. I think I
was like 20 years old and you know, it's
a pretty cool brunch to be having. I'm
sitting there with him and I'm asking
him similar questions. And he told me
something that was amazing.
He said, "The problem people have with
dealing with uncertainty, which is
uncertainty is entrepreneurship.
That's the difference between being an
employee and being an entrepreneur is
the entrepreneur takes on the
uncertainty, right?
Drew said the key that people
misunderstand about uncertainty is that
you're not born with it. It's a muscle.
And people just assume that because they
don't have it, it's not for them.
He said, "If you think of uncertainty as
a muscle, and you train it like a
muscle,
things start changing. Let's say you
haven't worked out your biceps.
You don't go to the gym and just start
lifting the 60-lb dumbbell. No, you
start with two, and then you go five,
and you go 10, and then you take, you
know, a couple days off. You have to,
you know, have rest days. If you think
of it the way you train a muscle, all of
a sudden uncertainty becomes this
manageable thing.
Where you start small, and you work your
way up. And something that Drew said
that I love, he said,
"When you feel the pain,
that means you're working up a weight
class."
That's cool. And then he said, "When you
pull a muscle, like psychologically, if
you've taken on so much uncertainty that
you're having a panic attack,
you're way too high in your weight
class. Tone it down a little. It doesn't
mean it's not for you,
but, you know, if you're I've done it,
you know, you're lifting weights, and
you, you know, pull something,
all right, you're going to go down maybe
10 or 20 lbs the next time you go into
the gym.
And then you work your weight slowly
back up." Emotion should never stop you
from achieving your goals. So, if you
feel stuck, overwhelmed, low on
confidence, you're beating yourself up,
or you feel like you're not deserving of
the things you want in life, I have
something to tell you. Emotions are not
facts, and you should never let them
hold you back. And yet, I find that
people do this all the time. They
mistake that feeling for objective
truth, and it sends them in this
downward spiral.
Reaching greater levels of success in
life means knowing how to use your
brain. And if you're in a rut right now,
or if you've been struggling for a while
to achieve your goals, then I've pulled
a class from Impact Theory University to
help you get back on track. It's called
Six Steps to Getting Unstuck, and it's
for anyone who wants to know the exact
steps to achieving big goals when life
puts challenges in your way. If you want
to check it out, go to
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to get access. It's a free preview. All
right, guys. I'll see you on the inside.
Now, let's get back to today's episode.
You have this concept of protect your
confidence. I've never heard anybody say
it like that before. Why is that so
important? Uh because I think I mean, in
all the big decisions you've had to make
along your way.
Have you ever made a good decision when
your confidence was down? No. Once, like
can you say I walked in, my head was
down, your your physiology's changed,
you're like a little nervous. Like you
just don't make good decisions when your
confidence is down. And And I don't
think it's like we're either confident
or not confident. I think it's like if
if confidence is 100%, if our confidence
is 95%, we play smaller. I know with me,
like big opportunities come. If I'm not
in that like space, I'm like, you know
what, guys? Let's just
let's hold, let's not. Like I won't make
smart decisions. So, I think I think we
have to do everything in our power to
protect our confidence. So, that that
theory of protecting your confidence has
been has been a a major thing in my head
always. In fact, I have a you know, we
all have our own morning routines. Not
maybe not everybody, but I have a
morning routine that I have to do to get
me to play it The way I look at it is
play offense for the day, not play
defense with lower confidence. What does
that look like? Um
I've tried a lot of variations. And
for me, it's if I
immediately when I wake up, I can't
check my phone. In fact, I
put it on airplane mode and I move it. I
got that from Arianna Huffington, who's
amazing. And she's like, "Is your phone
still by your bed?" She goes, "Airplane
mode on the other side of the room, you
know?" Um
So, that and then I just know so many
people roll over and grab their phone.
And to me, that's like Russian roulette.
You put a bullet in the gun and you spin
it. It's like, "What if the email says
the deal didn't happen, numbers are
down, life's not working out?" Like
And immediately for me it's like you
open up and and this little box is going
to dictate the first couple hours or
maybe the whole day by what you see. So,
I've just I just won't look at my phone
when I first wake up. Um so, but when I
first open my eyes, this is all and I
like doing things quick for me cuz I
want to get to the gym cuz it's the only
time of day I'll go. If I try to wait
till the afternoon, it doesn't work for
me. So, as soon as I wake up, I
immediately try to think of something
I'm grateful for, which everybody knows
that and thinks about it. But, I've I
play this game myself on how far I can
lower the bar.
Meaning, I I tried to do a gratitude
journal about 3 years ago. And after
about 5 weeks, I ran out of stuff to
say. I'm like, I already wrote my kids
and this and life. Like, what do I put
in here? Like, I I I don't And then I
was like, wow, 150,000 people die every
single day. You can Google it. That's
the number. It's like, some days I wake
up and I'm just like, I'm here. Awesome.
And I let I feel that silly little thing
like I'm here. Or I'll be like, "Oh my
god, the sheets feel softer than they've
ever felt." And I'll literally think to
myself, "These sheets are really good."
Like, what? A third of the world sleeps
on the on a dirt floor? And I have
sheets and an amazing bed and look at
the view I have. And that's enough. Just
because the way I do it is I'm just just
tweaking my brain enough to be in a
grateful place. It doesn't have to be
this For me, and you guys might have
better practices. I'm not talking about
a half-hour gratitude meditation. I just
need one little thing. Or I pick up a
book if I'm reading one of the books
that you have on the shelf, I'll pick
and I'll just pick three sentences and
read something empowering. And I'll get
that state of mind for my brain. And
then, I think about one win I had the
day before. Because I know as
entrepreneurs, as somebody searching for
success, we never give ourselves credit.
We never treat a friend the way we treat
ourselves. It's like, I know I've had
days I've gone till 10:00 at night and
go, "Man, I got nothing done today."
It's the biggest lie. Like, we beat
ourselves up. We just we're we're like
these racehorses. We wouldn't even treat
a racehorse that we owned as bad as we
treat ourselves, right? So,
I wake up and I'll I'll do a quick
little gratitude and I'll say, "What was
one win yesterday that I accomplished?"
And I'm like, "Wow, you did do that
yesterday." And then I'll think of one
win I want to do that day. Like, what
I'm going to do a million things done
today, but what's a must today that
would be a great win?
And then for me, then I immediately go
downstairs in my house and I drink I
feel like I fed my my mind and then I
want to feed my body. So, for me I've
been doing the same drink forever. I do
apple cider vinegar, lemon, MCT oil, a
scoop of green powder and uh mix that up
and I down that and then I immediately
got to go to the gym.
Millennials these days kind of rub their
hands, "Oh, we're digital natives." It's
like, yes, this year.
But in 10 years from now, you're going
to be a newbie like everybody else and
have to relearn everything and unlearn
what you already knew. And so there is a
sense in which constant lifelong
learning is the main node that you have
to be in.
Um and that uh
part of learning that that people who
study it understand is that a lot of it
is is unlearning what you already knew,
kind of forgetting or trying to overcome
ingrained patterns of thought
previously. So, you have to sort of like
you have to think differently about
things.
And by the way, that's one of the
reasons why I travel a lot because I
find that there's almost nothing that
forces me to unlearn and think in a
different pattern than traveling in a
real sense of kind of being on the
ground and and confronting things that I
don't understand
that everybody else understands. You
talked about the the shifting um peaks
and unlearning, but you've also talked
about, okay, in a world where all this
stuff is moving, um the thing you have
to get good at is learning to learn and
that really learning a specific skill
may not be as useful as it once was. So,
what can people that are in the thick of
the job market now that are going to get
slapped around by robotics and AI? Like,
how should they be thinking? So, so,
um you know, a very common question
related that a lot of parents ask me is,
"Oh, yeah, I hear all this stuff is
coming, AI and the VR, what should my
kid be studying in school?" And I think
really
there's no language that's going to
survive very long. There's very few
even skills that aren't going to be
obsolete by the time you graduate. So,
most of the jobs that you will have, I'm
talking to somebody maybe who's in the
high school right now, are probably jobs
that don't exist right now. And so, then
this idea of, well,
the only really skill you want to learn
in, say, school is the meta skill of how
to learn. And what's really interesting
to me is that
um that's almost taught nowhere. And um
it turns out that um
almost nobody, including me, really
knows how we learn ourselves. So, it's
not just how to learn how to learn,
but how you learn best how to learn.
That's a high bar. And to do that is not
going to be something you're just trying
to learn. You need to be You need to
have teachers. You need to be tested.
You need to be scored. You need to
practice. There are lots of different
ways to learn, so each variety you have
to
test yourself and become better in that.
And so, so, to actually learn how to
learn would require a
would require years of discipline
improvement. And we don't have that. So,
that means that neither I nor you
really have have learned how to optimize
our own learning. But, that should be
the general common thing that you're
going to be taught in school and that
when you graduate
you have a meta skill of knowing how you
learn and whatever kind of
problem comes up, you at least know your
best method for learning that.
Then the whole notion of Dharma to me
hit home really hard in that story in
the book and you talk about one of the
people in particular who was changing
like the photographs out for people so
that they had something new to see and
somebody asked her like, is that part of
your job? And what was her response? I
thought this This summed up Dharma for
me in a really visceral way. Yeah, it
was it's not part of my job, it's how I
see my job, right? It's how I perceive
what I do and the term is job crafting.
Where you have assigned meaning
to the task, you've assigned meaning to
the experience that you're now fueling
that work rather than letting the job
description be your only definition of
it. Yeah, when she was stepping into
that and saying like, okay, I knowing
who I am and knowing how I feel and what
it means to me to take care of this
person and to look at a small detail
like that and to imbue this thing which
somebody else might think of as, you
know, sort of a gross job or whatever,
but to bring the beauty that I want to
bring to it,
um
it it's me recognizing She didn't use
the word Dharma, but it's me recognizing
my purpose. It's me like not asking,
what's the definition of the job, but
instead, how do I bring my truest
purpose, the unique way that I would do
this job and bring that to this
situation. Now, this is where your book
got really interesting for me is this
interesting interplay between there's a
uh
a sense of your essence, who you are and
then there is
bringing that into the things that you
do. And so, you could take something you
talk about like cleaning the um the
monastery, like in the tiny tiny little
ways, but how what you would do is you
would think about cleaning this I
imagine myself cleaning my my own heart.
And so now it becomes not actually
polishing a monastery, it becomes like
this spiritual pursuit of recognizing
one that even as you get to the end of
cleaning it's dirty again and so it it's
this continual thing. But that was that
that being able to begin to tease those
things out that some things will seem
really boring and dull, but you can
imbue them with meaning. And then
there's this thing inside of you that
when you align to the things that you
like and that you enjoy
is like the the sort of raw responses
there, but you can also create a
response. Yeah. And how do you help
people like bring those together? You
talked a little bit about it with job
crafting, but how do you get people out
of a woe is me mentality into, you know,
finding ways to to make their life
beautiful? I really believe that you
have to seek the love and the beauty
that you want in what you have now.
Because that way you're training
yourself to extract meaning right now,
which means in the short term if you can
like those hospital workers were doing,
if you can fill that role with meaning
and your true passion and what's coming
from you, then that's going to lead you
to discovering the power of it. And I
saw that in my own life when I came back
from being a monk and I worked in the
corporate world, I was teaching
meditation and mindfulness and the
things that I talked today
in the corporate world. And I remember
in 2014 I was invited by one of our
executives to teach mindfulness to a
thousand of my peers at Twickenham Rugby
Stadium.
And I was speaking in between the CEO
and Will Greenwood who won the Rugby
World Cup with England.
And and I'm sitting in the audience as a
complete nobody
and completely around people who are my
same age, we all make the same money, no
one knows who I am.
And there I'm sitting there going, how
am I going to share mindfulness? But
after doing that experience, I realized
that even though my job was digital
strategy and social media innovation,
and I was a consultant, I was bringing
my passion to the workplace,
which actually gave me confidence that I
could do this outside of the workplace.
And that's how the two ideas connect,
that when you find how you can apply it
to your your small world, you then get
the confidence and the courage to take
it out and make something real of it.
Whereas I think a lot of us are waiting
for that break to get into doing it in
reality, but we actually haven't even
tested it or experimented on it in in a
small space where we can develop our
our own confidence and courage around
it.