Banned On Instagram, Britney Spears & Alex Jones - Danny Polishchuk

Donny Polischuk, my favorite Polischuk. Hey, how you doing, buddy? I'm good, man. How are you? I'm excellent. It's SantaCon at the moment. Mental. What is that? Uh it's this is actually the first year I've ever been here for it. Every other year I've somehow managed to avoid it, but basically the worst people you know dress up like Santa Claus and they get hammered. Like it's What time is it right now? It's like 3:00? Yeah, half past. yeah, so they get hammered in the afternoon. Like did you see the lines? Yeah. For the bars? Like bars right now are at like uh St. Patrick's Day. Kind of lines right now. what? This Like there are there are Saturdays before Christmas or something? I guess, yeah. And but it's yeah, yeah, I guess. And it's like like there's lines literally bending around the corner for just pubs. And everyone's dressed up wearing Everyone's dressed up, everybody's getting like really drunk in the afternoon. Comedy on Santa SantaCon day is like generally really bad. It's really bad cuz everybody shows up wasted. And fights like What's the demographic of people that attend SantaCon? Oh, that's a good question. You know what? It's pretty diverse. Like I was looking around. Yeah, it's like you're looking you're like it's a bit of everybody. It's pretty wild. But yeah, so cuz it took me like just a lot longer to get over here from my house and I was wondering I'm like what is going on? And then I started kind of you know, I was listening to like my my audio book and I'm looking around and I see all the Santa Claus hats. I go and then when I got out of right? Yeah, yeah, but then when I got out I go okay. It's happening. Yeah, yeah. Have you got your IG back yet? No. What's happened? Tell us the What's the story? Essentially what happened is there's like I know some people who are kind of high up fairly in the world of technology. A lot of people have a lot of opinions, but essentially on October We actually figured out last night. It might be as a result of you, actually. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, we we think that that's like my new current theory. So on on October 8th I've had an Instagram account for 12 years, never had a post taken down, nothing, no issues at all. And then on October 8th, I got uh I logged into Instagram and it says your account's permanently suspended for uh sexual solicitation. Which is essentially what they get for like OnlyFans girls, right? I'm like, what the hell? This must be a mis- I'm like, you know, oh, this must be a mistake, right? So, I appeal it. And in Instagram, they're just like a blue button that just says, "Would you like to appeal?" And I press the button and then 1 minute later, they say, "We've denied your appeal." And then uh there's but they say, "If this is a mistake, uh you can write a little like kind of blurb to them." So, I write a thing, I get it back. And I'd been posting some content, remember like the basically the thing that you showed Douglas Murray, right? yes, yes. About the Gays for Gaza. Gays for Gaza stuff, right? And I was making fun of those people. And uh and you'd have to think that a lot of people who probably work in content moderation at Meta probably side more with those people than me, than the person making fun of those people, right? So, anyways, I get it back. 2 days later, exact same thing happens. I get suspended again, same thing. And I'm going pretty hard on like, you know, posting about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Again, same thing happens. And then um lu- lu- get it back again though. And then on November 8th, which would be 1 month ago, exact same thing happens. This time though, I appeal I press that blue appeal button, lose 1 minute later, and there's no option for me to Three strikes and you're out. I guess, right? And so, and then we were talking last night uh and because we were we brought up the thing and then I went and you posted that thing on November 6th that went super viral. Now, I don't know if it's related cuz I was obviously having issues before that, but I have like a target on my back. [ __ ] splash splash zone, dude. He's got I guess, but but at Meta, like they put a target on me. And so, I have one friend who thinks either it's some content moderator there who just like doesn't like me, saw that I had a bunch of stuff like going viral. Mhm. And they're just like, "We got to get rid of this guy." Someone my for one friend thinks that maybe someone actually literally paid money because there's this whole black market like underground economy with um like Instagram and because I I think it's related to the OnlyFans stuff because OnlyFans girls they promote OnlyFans on Instagram, make tons of money then they get kicked off but then they're happy to pay $2,000. It was what I have to pay to get to maybe get my thing back. Yeah, it's just like a tax for and they're happy to pay. Wasn't there like rumors that these girls would offer into suck off the guy? Yeah, there was. Well, that that apparently kind of put a a wrench in things cuz there's that one girl who went on No Jumper and she's like, "I've been kicked off like 10 times and I just keep going and like yeah, like [ __ ] some guy at Instagram and keep getting it back." Have you considered that? Uh that'll be up next. Yeah, that's my that'll be my my Hail Mary cuz I'll tell you what Break glass in case of emergency. very difficult to be a working comedian without Instagram. I mean, it's that's where everybody kind of consumes, you know. You It's funny cuz it used to be uh probably 10 years ago maybe Twitter and then but now Instagram, TikTok those are the kind of places. see any comedians doing [ __ ] on Twitter. Yeah, I mean it's just not that kind of I post like I posted my whole special my most recent special it's on Twitter. All right, cool. And you know, whatever I have like a decent amount of views on it but it just that's not the place that drives people to maybe go see you live or consume your comedy content. It's a different type of person on Twitter. Mhm. It's just a different like I was actually on the train over here and I saw I've been noticing it more because I take the train in New York. I'll look at like what people are doing on their phones and very recently I've noticed more people are on Twitter than ever before. I never used to see people on Twitter. Interesting. They'd be on Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat or whatever and now I do actually see people on Twitter. But anyway, so I'm currently in the process of paying some guy and then hopefully I get it back. All right, if you know how to fix Instagram accounts getting taken down or crazy thing is I've had a number of people say like I have a hook like my friend works at a meta or whatever and and then they're like yeah they they tried through their internal recovery system and they're like upholding your ban. They're like you really pissed somebody off. Dude, I have a friend who was trying to get his 01 visa to come over to America. He already had his visa and was trying to flip it again again in like whatever the conservative leaning [ __ ] world. And someone somewhere did a thing like pressed a button that just delayed his entire visa by 9 months. Like you can like put a a question in Yeah, yeah, you can just say yeah, like a request for that's the same visa I have. You say like a request for more information or something. of just like hey get [ __ ] you don't get to come back in the country. Yep. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's weird cuz I'm so I'm so non-conspiratorial with like most of the [ __ ] that I think about but then even a low level like [ __ ] like that. Like that's just some guy like that's got a vendetta or isn't happy. Yeah, it's just someone saw something trending that was you know, cuz I had like when I got kicked off that's the thing. You only get kicked off once you're kind of popping off, right? And then and then there's more Nobody cares about the person. Exactly, right? So but but so anyways, I had a few things and yeah, someone just sees something go I don't like this guy. I work at meta. And go [ __ ] yourself. Yeah, and just And I guess I'm not quite at that you know, if you were massive a million followers probably a little more difficult. there's a zone in the middle. Big enough to be noticed not so big that you can't reach people to like Right. So I I mean a lot people hear about it that I know and they're like cuz here's the craziest thing about the algorithm which people do not realize is the algorithm decides what you see, right? Obviously because it's not like a chronological. But because it decides what you see, people are so programmed that like so when I got deleted, people don't know my account's deleted. I'm just they just forget you you right? They don't know you're gone. Like literal family and stuff. Like my my girl my fiance's cousin was like, "Wha- Why hasn't Danny posted anything in a month?" Like she messaged her. Like she goes, "Why hasn't Danny been posting anything?" And she's like, "Oh, he got kicked off." It's the same as someone dying. It's like the digital equivalent of being excommunicated. he's like excommunicated, but like people don't even unless they're like the die hard die hard fans and They're looking for you or They're like looking and then they look, but otherwise I mean and not even that. So some people were I was getting DMs being like, "Is this actually you?" They don't even believe it. Jeez. Like they're like they don't even, you know, and I even in my bio says like, "Yes, deleted. This is me." Blah blah blah. And then but you're not verified anymore and so it's it's mental. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. I had a I had Whitney Cummings on the show about a month ago and I was super impressed with her. Like Yeah, she's she's great. She's very very impressive. She said to me before I went on tour, "In order for art to imitate life, you have to live a life." Yeah. And it was her explanation for why comedians just talk about airports, dinner, and comedy. Yeah. Because if you're on the road, that's all you know. And this was a month ago and since then, all I've done is be on the road. For one full month, all I've done is be on the road. And I've found myself having conversations with my friends about all that I've got to talk about is like airports and check-in and luggage and shows and what I had for dinner last night. And that's it. I mean when that's your life, that's your life, right? It's so strange. Yeah. Yeah. That's I I know. Like it's sometimes you will have a joke something happens at the airport and you're like, the most comedian comedy ever. Right. And you're like, "But this is still is funny." But yeah, it is that kind of thing where you're like, "Yeah, you have" And that's why I do try to make a point of doing stuff. You know, like traveling and having a life and like traveling not for comedy. You know, cuz a lot of comics were like, "Yeah, I'll go somewhere if I'm doing a show." But Did you do Asia recently? Uh recently, no. I've been I've been to Southeast Asia though. I spent I spent like 15 years ago. I spent a lot of time there. Okay. I see. But yeah, I've been I've been thinking about that. I can kind of see I know that it's everyone hates it. It's like comedians just talking about comedy and the you know the the crowd and the venue and all the rest of the stuff. But if that's like the [ __ ] front and center of your life, Yeah. what else is there? I will say the one thing about Twitter where there's like this compulsion which I'm sure you've had and I try to avoid it at all costs is to publicly blast some company like that's wronged you because you're like I don't even know if there's any real reason to have Twitter other than the pot like able to call out a company. To call out yeah, you know be like and sometimes they're like oh, they really and you're like I could Yeah. really just make a stink right now and Yeah. feel It's like you got a dopamine rush. yeah as you do it. It's it's I don't know. There's definitely an upper bound on how many times you can get away with doing that. There used to be an account called @djscomplaining Yeah. which was just all of like Tiesto like arguing with his bags not being allowed to be carry-on and stuff like that. And the problem is sometimes it does work. So then you're kind of uh positively reinforced to argue again. Keep going. Keep going. It's the it's the internet equivalent of do you know who I am? Yeah, exactly. It's the Twitter equivalent of Yeah. And I mean if you're a big enough account some some airlines like oh, we don't need this bad publicity. Yeah. But really what's going to happen? They're going to get the guy that looks after the social media is going to find the flight that you're on and like tweet the air hostess to say hey, make sure that he's allowed to have his nuts or you should give him a second thought. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I I I I I I I I I I I The outcome is nothing. Yes. And it normally they're like weather delays, you know, where it's actual frustration where like they can't do something like you know, it's a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a uh they do lose your luggage or something. of the equivalent of like an internet Karen in a way to just be like I had [ __ ] well, the logistics I guess the ideal scenario is you tweet a thing and then their stock price drops 10% you know and you're like I just cost them four billion dollars. Who was it that was it Cristiano Ronaldo that moved a Coke can I think away from in front of him [ __ ] was it Cristiano Ronaldo? Or like replace it with like a Gatorade or something? Yeah like there was a Coke can in front of him I'm sure it was Cristiano Ronaldo maybe a couple of years ago and he like just got the can and moved it out of shot and their stock price [ __ ] plummeted. Dude. Yeah Cristiano Ronaldo [ __ ] knew it I knew it. Have you been watching the Britney Spears arc recently? Yeah I mean I was I was day one being like they should not be removing this conservatorship from from the jump so this is very much chickens coming home to roost. I mean she obviously have you ever heard the the saying with child stars where like the point that you become super famous is the point where you stop developing like as a person. Arrested development I see. Essentially so it's like that's why Michael Jackson was like a 13 year old. Interesting. So she's like a six year old. She was like super you know Disney Club whatever Mickey Mouse Club and like maybe whatever she got really famous but she's like a child. And then and you it kind of tracks not for everyone obviously but it kind of does track. But yeah she like you see I don't know if she's on medication or anything but you can just see it in the eyes. She either is or should be. Yeah but you can see it in the eyes like there's there's not a lot of activity in the eyes so it's it makes me feel uncomfortable like I don't follow her but you know you just stuff surfaces. My fiance constant My fiance loves her and constantly cuz we Loves her or is like watching it like a slow motion car crash? Honestly chicks like uh they know not like a slow motion car crash like But if you're like most girls are pretty empathetic and emotionally tuned in and can see what's going on how do you not look at Britney and go this person needs some [ __ ] help and also needs to stop posting selfies of her dancing in her hallway. Yeah yeah and she looks mental. I mean the one with the knives and then being like the meme and stuff. Spears puts aside family drama to post a racy Instagram video of her running her hands over her body while promoting Victoria's Secret bras and underwear. Yeah. It's like I watched this video and it's like her in bed. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, yeah. My my my girl sent that to me. She she What the [ __ ] is going on? But when they say promoting, like Victoria's Secret's like, "We don't have anything." Yeah, we're like, "We don't have anything to do with this." I'm just wearing it. Yeah, yeah, she's wearing it. way as like Calvin Klein. It's like Calvin Klein podcast. Yeah. I mean, she seems like she's got something mentally going on. I don't know. Like, does she tour anymore? Does she have like a residency? I don't know. I don't think that she's done a show in in a while. long time. Here's the other thing. All of her videos are filmed on what looks like a 2011 Blackberry, which doesn't give like sane. No. that like the Android tablet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Come on. I don't know, man. I I don't I Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what needs to happen with her so that people are concerned, but you know, it it sounds like she had this conservatorship for a reason. Yeah, there was a real reason for it. And but you know, when the tides turn in public perception Yeah, that's true. People want to kind of get behind the person who has an overbearing parent and Father specifically. It's like man versus woman in this as well. Yeah, it it ticks all of the boxes. Yeah, so Did you see Do you know MeatCanyon? Do you know that guy? He does those illustration videos. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's really great. Yeah, yeah. So, he's got a second channel called Papa Meat, which is pretty good. And he did a reacting to Swifties Okay. thing. Yeah. He ended up getting tons of death threats. Oh, yeah, yeah, they're crazy. So, I mean, Britney Spears I maybe has some fans and that conservatorship thing was like people were chasing after that. The at least the advantage you have if you do criticize Britney Spears is her fans aren't rabid and totally current. Like everyone's kind of just like historical fans. Yeah. Taylor Swift has very motivated, unbelievably motivated fans. So yeah, he had full-on death threats from what I saw. Well, cuz cuz uh Britney Spears doesn't have 13-year-old fans. Yeah. Right. And those are like the 13-year-old girls are maybe the meanest meanest iteration of a human that can possibly exist. like you have Hamas and then 13-year-old girls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like if you get to like get uh you know, if Taylor Swift became uh like Muslim or something like Islamic Jihad, the the West would fall. We'd be done. Yeah, I I saw a video. This was before her most recent tour kicked off and someone had taken one from inside of a stadium. You know, you're in the the gangway. And you're kind of walking around the side and maybe like kind of high up and you could hear the music and see the crowd and she's videoing the crowd like inside the stadium and they're all singing along and stuff. And then she pans to outside where there's a car park and there's 40,000 people in the car park. Yeah. Singing along with the show that they couldn't get tickets to get into inside. sure. I mean, my my friend, he has a six-year-old daughter and his daughter was like, "I want to go in Toronto to see Taylor Swift." And he went and looked and tickets were like two tickets were $5,000 to get in. Just to get in. We're not talking Like like I mean, the the Rogers Rogers Center. Well, it's all resale cuz it's like all scalpers buy them. So you it's the only way to get them really other than like this lottery, but everybody was complaining. [ __ ] Australia. This is equivalent to being like in sub-Saharan Africa and wanting an American visa. Yeah, pretty much. But it made it to like Congress was even talking about it because the scalpers were getting them all and then the markup was so insane. Like it was um we actually had a guy who on our Boys Cast Patreon uh called in or like not called, sent in a message and he uh wanted advice and he's like, "I want to go. I have tickets for Taylor Swift in Denver and I want to take this girl on a first date." And And we looked up the resale price. He's like, "Should I take this girl on a first date to Taylor Swift?" And we looked up the resale price and they were like $2,000 a ticket. I'm like, "You can't take a girl on a first date that costs five grand? Like after or whatever at four grand and then everything else? I'm like, no, you just can't do that." I'm like, "Sell Yeah, yeah, yeah. Too much. Too much. Yeah, so these these scalpers are like the Martin Shkreli of Taylor Swift concerts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They bought like [ __ ] Dextroamphetamine or whatever it is and then pump the price up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, they just I mean they're opportunists and they but they have all these crazy like programs and stuff that are able to Ed Sheeran had a thing I'm I'm pretty sure you had to submit ID for each individual ticket to kind of get around this. yeah, there's some that do that where you have to just like I I can't remember who but you have to like show ID. She's going to make a billion dollars from this tour I think. It's like the most already the highest grossing tour in history. Yeah, that's I mean good for her I guess. [ __ ] wild. I don't I don't listen to her but I'm in. I'm not the type of person to you know. Dude, there was a in that people should go watch that Papa Me video once they finish with this. It's it's pretty [ __ ] interesting. Um she did a movie that was like a Taylor Swift movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like a concert. Yeah, I think so. Maybe and it was like maybe behind the scenes tour vlog or some other stuff and they must have given out like LED batons. So it's kind of half like a party Yeah. in the cinema Uh-huh. whilst it's also the thing on the TV and there's videos from inside and the credits are rolling and the girls have got out of their seats and they're stood underneath the [ __ ] projector like dancing in a circle like all holding hands. It's like halfway between a rave a seance a [ __ ] sermon and the cinema watching. yeah. My friend Alex Byron, he's a comedian in Canada, he did a video where it was what at one of these movie showings or whatever and for Taylor Swift and then he kind of like picked his spot where it was just before it was starting and everybody they were waiting for it to start and then he came in and pretended that he was work he worked for the theater and goes sorry everybody um but we're having an issue with the with the projector. So, there's going to be uh we're not going to be showing the Taylor Swift but instead we'll be showing uh the John Mayer documentary or whatever and everybody and then his girlfriend just to get it started his girlfriend started throwing cuz she was filming she started throwing stuff at him and then like people were like boo and going insane. Pretty funny movie. We went to Were you with us when um we went to uh Cheesecake Factory and it was the night of the Barbie movie? Jesus Christ. So, I didn't know that the Barbie movie was getting released that night. Okay. And we went to Grosvenor Center what's it called? The Grove the Grove in Grove yeah in LA yeah. Dude, so we get out of the car and it's just armies of women in pink. Yeah. Like New York was like that too. [ __ ] platoons of them. Yeah. Did you see it? I didn't see it. No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. No, I don't see movies like I used to. No. Uh what Bums me out. They recently did a Cillian Murphy and Margot Robbie did a like thing together like an interview I think it was for Vanity Fair or Variety or something like that where they they like finally got those two like the Barbenheimer Yeah yeah yeah together. thing to have a conversation about each other. Uh I got a vasectomy due to climate grief. Now I felt to let right? We just talked to him on the voice cast. What do you think? I I mean the na- natural logical conclusion is if you were so worried about human impact on climate you kill yourself. Right? If you really care. Right? Like isn't that like okay? Well, you know, if you want to get a vasectomy I can do you one further. Right? It's crazy. I mean these people are mental. They're they're their brains have been so destroyed with uh this like anxiety and fear about the future. Like you know uh it's civilized humanity is not the type of thing you want to bet against. Like they're they kind of always find a way, you know? Like everybody's like, "Oh my god, we're doomed." Like this doomerism I it's probably existed forever. There's never and you know, and yet here we are. So, I don't know. What what do you think about it? For about a year and a half, I'd been offering to get a vasectomy to do more than just talk about how the world didn't need any more humans. In and around our old Nova Scotia house, I'd periodically make that horizontal scissor mime a scissor mime. To reiterate my offer, news of rising temperatures on the kitchen radio, finger snap. Atlantic Ocean looking more and more disturbed, finger snap. Even back then in 2007, the North Atlantic hurricane season was intensifying due to climate change. Snap snap. "Darryl," my then partner called out from a few rows back in a crowded flight. We'd originally been seated together but relocated so a mom could sit with her kids. When I look back over the packed seats amidst the roar of burning engines, she smiled at me and mimed a scissor cut with two fingers. "Yes," she finally said in a gesture gesture understandable only to me. My then partner called out, "This sounds like a guy who did and now is no longer with the person who Yeah, also an interesting thing here because this is the ultimate in virtue signaling, obviously, to say like I'm saving the planet by not reproducing and then they insisted on including No, but they insisted on the It's interesting they insist on including, which is unnecessary, that they were not they were sitting separately because they had to give up their seats so a mother could sit with her child. Like that's like a weird thing. You're like, "Okay, you didn't have to say that other than you just have to be the best the best human possible and everybody else who's reading this is just scum. That's part of why it was so thrilling when my now wife Giselle voluntarily mentioned not wanting kids on our first date. Three years later we got married and moved in a kind of working honeymoon to sweaty equatorial Singapore. Admittedly, our next four years of travel around Asia made us more a part of the climate crisis problem than the solution. Basically, I decided to carbon offset my destructive selfish lifestyle by not propagating my own DNA and instead traveled the world. This is like a borderline onion article. Yeah. From not that long ago. And it's I mean this is the CBC. This is this is Canadian Broadcasting. This is government-funded uh propaganda right here. Did you see I came up with this idea of toxic compassion? Did you read my little Uh no, I haven't seen that yet. All right. So, uh toxic compassion is the prioritization of short-term emotional comfort over everything else, over truth, reality, actual long-term outcomes, flourishing, everything. It optimizes for looking good rather than doing good. People would rather claim that body fat has no bearing on health and mortality outcomes to avoid making overweight individuals feel upset even if this causes them to literally die sooner or have a worse quality of life. People would rather say that children growing up in single-parent households suffer no worse outcomes than those from two-parent homes even if this misleads parents, children, and teachers about why kids behave the way they do. Campaigners would sooner shout "Defund the police" as a response to what they perceive as unfair treatment of criminals even if this results in more crimes being committed against people from those minority backgrounds due to the abandonment of police officers from those areas. So, it's people that say what they think sounds good but ultimately might net a negative outcome. And Peterson said it's the prioritization of short-term emotional comfort over long-term thriving. It's going to hurt now, but the consequences long-term are positive. Yeah, you just don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But you disregard what the actual long-term outcome is. The same as with this Yeah. bloke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean of course I'm actually just listening right now to um uh Jonathan Haidt, The Coddling of the American Mind. And And they talk about like he's he's talking about like all the safetyism stuff where essentially it has these actual uh like negative outcomes, you know, because some kid got like abducted in like the '70s and then they like essentially um were were clamping down so hard on kids that it actually made them worse off, you know, because you you just you don't let them go outside and you because like you know, obviously it's tragic that a kid got abducted or whatever. There was actually he talks about it. I can't even believe this. I had to look it up yesterday. In 2015 in Missouri, this family in order to teach their 6-year-old a lesson about not going with strangers abducted him Mhm. and like renditioned him and from like a mall and they put like a bag on his head and then they Like a mock execution. Like basically like the craziest lesson you could ever imagine. And then they is going to teach you not to let it happen again. don't go home with strangers or whatever and like I don't even think he did. Like I don't think there was an incident. They just abducted him to kind of teach him this lesson you know, kind of get ahead of it preemptively. the [ __ ] whole shoe of like helicopter parenting that it comes back around to just super extreme mistreatment of your kid. Yeah, and in the guise of you know, I'm helping them. You're like this kid is going to have this trauma forever. one on the other side that's like yeah, my kid will be fine. It's like it's the same idea. My kid will be fine. My kid will be fine with me mock [ __ ] abducting him Yeah. from this thing. But there's no shortage of those kids who who are like yeah, my parents worked and you know, I had a lot of autonomy and I was fine. I seem to be okay. fine. Maybe I got a little bit of trouble, but You see the stuff about peanut allergies, the increase in peanut that was that was another one in the Jonathan I think was because they it like tripled the amount of peanut allergies because they removed peanuts. Yeah, so if you grow up in a household that has a washing machine like a dishwasher that doubles your chances of asthma. And if you grow up in a house that has a dog, it halves your chances of asthma cuz you just get exposed to dirt. So basically you double and then you double again the chances of it Why the dishwasher? Dishwasher presumably just cleans in In sterile way that you don't get the tiny little doses of germs. And the same for dogs. Dogs coming in and out bringing dirt in like playing in the grass etc. So yeah, there's just ways where you can sterilize the environment so much that instead of it making kids and people safer, what it does is create such a protected environment that there is no way that that they never deal with any kind of discomfort. And this is culturally, ideologically, psychologically, mentally, emotionally the exact same thing we see with toxic compassion. Yeah. I I mean I'm waiting for the shoe to drop on hand sanitizer being bad for you. You think? There's so many things we were just me and Ryan were just talking about it how all the stuff that used to be bad for you is now good for you. Like remember I don't know if but like my mom was very much even still she hasn't come around to you know she's like you got to eat breakfast. You have to eat breakfast is like you you'll die. You'll have if you don't eat breakfast now everybody's like don't eat breakfast or it's like you got to eat now everybody's like fasting. Like you know, it's all the stuff. It's it's literally bro science is beat down mom science. And mom science is just kind of reeling but it just I don't know. I won't be surprised if it'll be something similar with the hand sanitizer where they go people are hand sanitizing too much and it's causing a rise in whatever. Downstream from that, yeah. Well, we we've been doing these meet and greets after the show which is really great. But you do realize that like if if anybody of these 600 people that I've just shook hands and taken a photo and like hugged or like you know like slap five with, if any of them it's like I've just got I got it all. We did get COVID all of us got COVID separately James in Australia, Luke in the UK, me in Austin. We all got COVID about two months before the show the tour began and we were like tour antibodies like [ __ ] yeah like we've done it I'm going to be immune. Immediately went on tour and just got wrecked by like other like different viruses that Yeah, yeah. I mean that's that's kind of the nature of of how it goes but yeah, I don't know. It's unavoidable. Like I was I was just on the train over here. One thing I I still find so difficult to understand is couples where one's masked and one's not. Because surely the one that's unmasked will then give you whatever you're trying to avoid, right? Like am I missing something? But I see it all the time. You're like a couple where one's masked. But like how You're going to get in the same bed tonight. Yeah, like you're going to kiss later. So I I I don't know. I don't know. I Maybe there's someone who's way smarter than me who can explain that to me. Cuz I I see it all the time. Like I saw it literally just on the train right over here. We were in Banff in uh Alberta. Yeah. And um yeah, there was people walking out and about in what looks like the cleanest air in the world. Yeah, it's the best, purest air on the planet. And yeah, people still outdoor uh masking, which I don't know I I did reflect on this a little bit like how I feel now about like someone in a car on their own or something. You know, when people wear masks in cars on their own or someone out and about in fresh air at this stage of post-pandemic like [ __ ] non-case risk. It does make me think people who were so vehement against any masking ever, like no one should ever have to do it. It's like, well, maybe just my judgment of the situation is that my sensitivity needed it to be a few years later. Yeah. Whereas they were like even now in the midst of it, even though we don't know it, that's like how do what you want, you know? Like this is America. Like that's the most ethos of this country is is it's more just like do If you want to wear a mask in a car, like that's your right. It's The problem was when they were saying you have to do it. And then people were like, okay, well, that's very much un-American, you know, to to make anybody do anything. But I mean, have you spent any time in Asia? Yeah, a little bit. Not since COVID. But so they've been, you know, like I don't I traveled in Asia 15 years ago and you know, you'd walk around and everybody's wearing masks. Yeah, that was for air quality and stuff, right? Well, air quality and I think they had had some kind of smaller pandemics and they just are generally and I look, I do think if you are very um like strict about it and you know, proper, I'm sure it does somewhat lower your uh risk of getting ill to some degree. play a pretty good game. care that much. play quite a good We we actually did play a pretty good game of Asian or COVID. Mhm. Which is like why they're wearing the mask. Is it because of like historical air quality Yeah. or is it because of COVID? Yeah, I heard in Thailand actually someone explained to me that some people cuz they wear these really big masks that go like literally here and it's because they their class system, like many other places, is the more tanned you are Yes, the lower class you are. the lower class you are. So, it's and skin whitening's huge in Thailand. Dude, I went to Thailand, I saw this. The girls that worked at the front of the restaurants, the secretaries for like offices, for massage places, all of that stuff would have like lighter skin, but you can see there's a line here and it's it just completely drove home how culturally inculcated I was in the UK for me to look at that and say, "How strange, like purposefully making your skin lighter because people who work in the fields are seen as like indigent laborers. That means that they're of lower status. The people who have white collar jobs that work in so indoors, they don't get tanned. How silly that you would try and lighten your skin." I go back to Newcastle upon Tyne, the place where the British version of Jersey Shore was filmed, Geordie Shore, to see girls make their faces [ __ ] orange Right. to like give the appearance of, you know, I spend time outside and I can go to my bae whenever I want and stuff. Right, right. And it's the exact same, but in reverse. Yeah, that's that's pretty funny. And I just didn't see it. I was like, "Ah, how strange." As I go back to Newcastle to get caked in fake tan. Right. I guess it's the quickest way to signal something, right? It's just your visually like you it's it's the equivalent of wearing like a Rolex, you know, but for Such a strange quirk. I'll never forget one of my friends who's a DJ tell me this story. We kind of the you say like cultural thermometer of what you're used to anchoring off and what you actually like you go to somewhere new and everything's upside down. The [ __ ] bar stools been turned around. He went and played a gig DJ gig in South America. He's a DJ, he parties, he wanted some cocaine. He's like I'm in like [ __ ] Ecuador or Argentina or Colombia or some [ __ ] He's like I'm [ __ ] the source is here. Like the the fountain of cocaine is here. So he goes to the promoter and he's like can you get me some cocaine? And he looked at him and was like are you sure? He's like yes, I would like some cocaine. He's like [ __ ] hell man. I mean like I can get you some but and he was thinking oh god like maybe there's going to be police maybe there's like the the prison sentences for it are really high or it's like very high you know, we're going to involve ourselves in some gang stuff. What it turned out was that people who do cocaine in these areas it's seen as super dirty. It's seen as a scummy drug. Uh-huh. But uh What is it 3 TB or something? What's that 2 CB Yes, 2 CB 3 CB the the pink stuff. 2 CB Yeah, 2 CB is seen as the high class [ __ ] because it's so hard to get a hold of down there. Yeah. So he the drug is the same. And in fact probably of way better quality than the stepped on [ __ ] that you'll buy on the street corner in [ __ ] New York or in But because the cultural position like the map of that particular terrain was like this is easy and cheap to get. So it just completely shows that the value of the thing is not intrinsic of the thing. It is the difficulty of acquisition and the price. Right. Yeah, yeah. And like 2 CB is like it's like hot. If you've ever seen it it's hot pink. Yes. Like this is weird thing you're like oh god yeah so Yeah, I don't know. It's I I this guy on my calling show Yoan Grillo if you've ever heard of him. You know him? Yeah, yeah. He I got a few weeks Yeah, he's amazing. I was talking to him and he's, uh, like a narco reporter in in Mexico, or whatever, and he was saying actually like, "Yeah, cocaine is it's like popular, but it's not the the most popular drug is actually, I think, meth right now." And and they have no issues cuz all the fentanyl comes over the border, but they have like no issues with fentanyl there. Douglas Murray went to this place in Philadelphia. Have you heard of Trank? Yeah, yeah. Trank's like fentanyl's fentanyl. Mhm. It's for people who Like like it makes your like skin peel and Just people Yeah, like bits of you drop off. It's like leprosy in a drug. Yeah. And, um, yeah, he went to this place in Philadelphia and filmed this. I'm on like a campaign to get Douglas Murray, uh, acquired by The Daily Wire. I sat down with Jeremy Boring, the CEO, and I was like, "Dude, you need to acquire, uh, Douglas Murray." So, anyway, [ __ ] Jeremy, if you're watching, go and do it. Um, but Douglas went and filmed this thing. He hasn't released it yet, uh, but yeah, he went to Philadelphia and apparently like Trank has just taken over. Yeah, taken over the city. So, like fentanyl, uh, heroin not enough, fentanyl not enough, and then there's carfentanil. Yeah, which is like even more potent. So, fentanyl's fentanyl, and then this is like carfentanil's carfentanil. Trank. Yeah, it's I mean, it's sad that people are Yeah, I don't know. To to get to the point where you kind of that's what you need like even fentanyl's not doing it for you. [ __ ] that would kill a normal man on the head of a pin Yeah. is not enough for you to Yeah, well, you you do develop a massive tolerance. Like I had a friend of mine who's a doctor in, um, Vancouver, British Columbia, and they have they have a big drug problem there, and they've decriminalized all drugs. And she was telling cuz I was asking about the fentanyl thing. She's like, "Yeah, the thing is with fentanyl is heroin users can't get heroin, or sometimes it's actually vice versa where where people go to heroin actually cuz it might be a little, uh, cheaper." I can't remember. But anyways, she says, "You know, they use so much fentanyl that they just you you develop a massive tolerance to it. Heroin's are [ __ ] passively smoking trying to get high on nicotine. Kind of but it yeah but but the you just you keep building up this tolerance. So the people who actually die from fentanyl are the ones who have never ingested it and it gets cross-contaminated and so they have no uh Have you heard of spice? Is spice a thing over here? Spice is like it's like fake weed or something. So I watch a lot of cops the show cops. It's like a guilty pleasure of mine and it's actually sad because a lot of episodes like segments in cops is they're like arresting someone for spice. I'm like why is this even illegal? And the problem is because weed's illegal. It's all in Florida. Like you always see people get arrested for spice in Florida and I guess spice was like recently criminalized but it wasn't always because I guess it's it like you know it popped up and then they take some time to make it legal. But so people are forced to take it because they can't smoke weed which is harmless essentially. Like I mean not harmless but relatively on the scale of drugs it is. You know like sure it'll it might give you some bad habits or whatever but you know relatively forcing people to smoke spice and then they're getting arrested for spice. Yeah. There's I think the way it works I may be wrong with this I mean [ __ ] spice expert but I'm pretty sure that it it is in a spray bottle and that you spray the whatever the stuff is that you smoke with this particular solution but I remember watching this thing on YouTube and this guy is wearing literally wearing like three pairs of [ __ ] surgical gloves because if even a tiny bit of it at this you know and he's like there spraying at a distance at like a [ __ ] plant sprayer and he's like if you even got a little bit of this on you at that concentrate it'd be like you know LSD it'd just completely destroy you. It's super dangerous. So yeah it's just this that's one of the things I wish I'd brought it up with Jeremy actually but that's one of the things that I would criticize the like the right for this obsession with more newsworthy like sexy stories like, stuff to do with, like, trans books in schools and all the rest of the [ __ ] It's like, the fentanyl problem seems like like a really big deal that's just killing people [ __ ] Yeah. straight away, but I'm not really hearing anyone on the left or the right really talk about that. It's just like Yeah, it's one of those things where, yeah. problem swept under the rug. Yeah, I think so. I think it's one of those things where, uh, you know, you can't like, you don't stop that problem by enforcement, right? It's like, you almost have to stop the people who want it, which is, you know, the chicken and the egg war on drugs thing. fix the [ __ ] people. Like, there's no way that you can stop every, like, you know, um, truck that comes into the United States from Mexico. It's impossible. They can they they can maybe stop like, even search 10% of them. And the problem with fentanyl is is you need like a thing this big to kill 10 million people. Yeah, because it's so concentrated. It's so concentrated, right? So Is it Is it right that it's supposed to be China that produces almost all of China, this is what Yoram Grill told me. They produce the precursor. So, there's like a precursor that you required, and then so what happens is China and and but these are like, um, above-the-water, like, above-board, you know, like, just legitimate comp- pharmaceutical companies who make this precursor. And and then, um, Mexican cartels are essentially acquiring it. So, presumably that precursor is even more concentrated. So, you need even less of that. Yeah, I don't know if that's how it works, if it's specifically a contra- reform, or it's just it's just one of the ingredients that on its own is I don't think is necessarily toxic, or maybe it is, but it's not fentanyl on its own. But, if you get that one precursor, and then you add it to a this, you know, essentially like a recipe, I guess, you know. I'm no expert on this, but that's what Yoram Grill said. Yeah, essentially, yeah. But, so and then, he I can't remember exactly what he told me, but something along the lines of like they had like, you You the DEA tried to do some things with these Chinese companies and then kind of like they're they're unable to really stop them because it's I don't know, it's it's some sort of and I think China says, you know, we'll try and crack down on these, but again, they're they're not technically illegal because fentanyl is used by hospitals and you know, like if you have some massive surgery, they will give you some of these things. Yes. As painkillers. Like they are like real painkillers, but like anything they get abused, so. Did you see Kim Jong-un wiping away tears as he asked North Korean women to have more children? Yeah. And then the funniest thing is they're all in the audience and they're all The moment I The moment one tear, they're all just like They don't want to get in trouble. Yeah, uh assessment show that the fertility rate in North Korea has been falling for a decade amid increasing concerns within families over lots of money being needed to raise children and food. North Korean leader Kim Jong-un appeared to wipe away tears as he urged women to halt the decline in the country's birth rate. Mr. Kim was seen dabbing his eyes in a rare moment of emotion as he addressed the national mothers meeting in Pyongyang. The Hyundai Institute report said that North Korea's population was expected to to shrink starting in 2034. Yeah, that's uh I don't know. I don't know what their demographic situation is like. [ __ ] Dude, South Korea I think is at 0.6 or 0.8 as a birth rate. 2.1 is replacement. 2.1 is replacement, yeah. And they for every 100 South Koreans alive right now, there will be four great-grandchildren. It's a 96% extinction rate over the next 100 years. It's [ __ ] crazy. any country that's above 2.1? Yes, um so like funnily enough, the highest on the planet, Chad. Chad, yeah, yeah. Just like the Because they're Chads. Nice. Um no, yeah, that's the highest, but even of Africa, every 15 years the number of children that each mother has is decreasing by one. So, it's a I think it's about seven now, and then in 15 years it'll be six, and then in 15 years it'll be five, and 15 years it'll be four. In sub-Saharan Africa, the average family size is seven children? moment, yeah. Wow. Um but I I don't know whether that is per woman or per mother, because that's different. There are some women who don't have kids. And if you do that, if you actually look at that number in America, the number is still the same as it's always been. It's like 2.3. Mothers have about 2.3 children or 2.5 children or something like that. It's the non-mothers that is increasing. So, the women that have zero Right. Yeah, yeah. one, you end up having like two and a half. Yeah. But if you have none, you keep having none. Yeah, you keep having none, yeah. Um so, yeah, dude, that whole birth rate thing. But that's that's one of the things that um Do you know Peter Zeihan? Have you seen that dude? No. He's like a geopolitics guy. I had him on the show a little while ago. He did Rogan, too. And um China's population's going to half, basically, over the next like That's so funny that they had their one-child policy. [ __ ] it. And it was such a disaster. But at the time it seemed like such a necessary, great idea. And then it was like maybe one of the most short-sighted things, because you can't just like undo that. You don't snap your fingers and go, "Okay, back to back to two or however many you want." You're like, "No, the damage from that policy is 100 years." Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's wild. Well, I mean, the choice between uh like famine now or like extinction later is I don't know, like I guess, yeah, yeah. But uh yeah, there cuz there are they have I mean, seems like everybody has huge demographic issues. I guess America, English-speaking Western countries though can fix that with just immigration, whereas China's probably a tougher place to immigrate Yeah, they can. But I mean, that's just kind of kicking the can down the road. If you have like a total global population like this, which is ultimately what matters, and you just start trying to [ __ ] move chess pieces around, so you don't get any more chess pieces. Right. That That is true. Yeah, I don't cuz I I had a This is total conspiracy theory based on nothing, but when Roe v. Wade got repealed, that was that my conspiracy brain was like, "They're doing that because you know, they gave America the the choice to have more Reduce their fertility. So have more kids and they go, "You're You're not having more kids, so we're just going to force it on you." And And we don't care what like how they come in or what. They just we need bodies. The additional conspiracy theory on top of that which I heard someone give me was who are the people that are the least able if you restrict access to abortion, who are the people that are least able to skirt round the rules? The poor people that become the worker drones. Exactly. So it's just we need some more [ __ ] blue-collar like widget Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And at the end of the day, the way the economy is set up is it's essentially like I don't want say like a pyramid scheme, but it kind of is. Like it just it requires more people. Like the way that, you know, having steady like 2% growth every year that they aim for and, you know, like you just you need more growth. That's all they That's That's how how the whole game is set up. It's just more people, right? They don't care like I mean, obviously to a degree you want which people, but you just need more people. I I need to learn I've watched so many different explainers about how the global like currency finance system and this embedded growth obligation and debt-based financing and like if you continue to kind of grow it, then it's almost like a Ponzi scheme within itself where no one realizes that the new money is like feeding the old debt and Well, kind of and just new new like, you know, real estate for example. Like you just they always want to be building more and putting people in those things and putting people in those new houses. They don't ever You don't ever want a scenario where they're just like those Chinese ghost towns, you know? Like and and that's how they kind of set everything up. So they're just kind of slowly just building more things and they you people to take those things and don't more of these [ __ ] things. I still kind of don't fully understand how it works. I need I should probably just bring someone on the It's just more people. It's just More people means More more people means they need somewhere to live and they consume more, they buy more stuff like, you know, that's that's you know, again some theories about why they're opening up the southern border is there's like those people are still regardless of how you feel about it and People are people. They're still people and they're still consumers. They still have to buy toilet paper and they have to eat and they have to get around and you know, most of them uh you know, some people are very uncharitable. I'm not. Most of them will try and work and they want to work. Obviously some cuz a lot of people are like, oh, they'll just, you know, live off the government tea kind of thing. I think that's a very small percentage of those people. Most of those people just want a better life. If I was in their position, I would do the exact same thing. If I lived in some Central American country with 50% unemployment rate and I I knew that I mean, it's crazy cuz they're not even all Central Southern Americans. They're coming from all Chin- China, whatever and you know, I was in their position, I probably would do the same thing. Dude, have you heard what happens if you're a Cuban and you want to like escape Cuba? Oh, crazy. Uh so, we have a mutual friend who did a film event of some kind in Canada, I think. And told me the story. So, he did this one thing and then his brother did a different thing. I'm pretty sure he filmed the whole filmed the the entirety of this like [ __ ] journey that he was on. And I was like, hang on a [ __ ] second. Like, this is like seeking asylum from a war-stricken country. I didn't realize that Cuba I sound so stupid. I didn't realize that Cuba was like a place that first off, you're kind of not allowed to leave, doesn't want you to leave Communist country. That's every communist country is you're not allowed to leave. But you've got the US has basically got this rule where if you come from presumably Venezuela as well and also maybe China although I don't know. It's just like, hey, we'll give you asylum, don't don't worry. And um yeah this guy told me so he did this thing where he snuck out at 4:00 in the morning from some event and it was literally like a game of chicken. So he was leading this team of people, maybe they were like videography team or something like that. And I think he maybe had a partner that was with him and he knew because he was the leader that if anybody else left the party that he was a part of he would be culpable. So he was like I'm just going to [ __ ] go before anyone else does. So it's a game theory kind of Yeah exactly, it's prisoner's dilemma. Him and his partner leave at 4:00 a.m. in the morning like sneakily like pack their stuff, get out, hitchhike their way, blah blah blah, do all of this [ __ ] nearly get stopped, get to the American border, hey we're from Cuba. Yeah. Give us asylum. And then his brother does the same thing but travels like by land from [ __ ] Cuba through Guatemala, through Belize, through like [ __ ] Well there's the whole thing, they all just cuz it's only like 60 miles from Miami, right? Cuba from is is only 60 Oh it's so close. That that's so like there's all these um There's all these baseball players cuz Cuba's like has some of the best baseball players in the world. And you know Is Garcia is he Cuban? Uh I think so. Yeah yeah yeah exactly, the guy on the Rangers exactly. And uh they they've had you know endless amounts of good players but they're not allowed to leave but some of them are like if I could just get 60 miles like uh El Duque who used to play for the Yankees I can't remember or I think his name is Orlando Hernandez in the 90s. But he just like you know in dead of night they hop on like a makeshift rickety raft kind of like you know and they get over and if you can just get to shore There's a $5 million baseball contract waiting for you there. 50, 100 million for some of these guys. Some of these guys are like instantly you know some of the top players in the league. But there there's and you know they do like the World Baseball Classic stuff where Cuba fields a team and there's always you know same with like Olympics and there's always like a couple guys who just defect, right? But the problem is is that there's, you know, your family's still in Cuba. And so now you like they probably have some issues. It's probably like a a thing of like shame to a degree. North Korean thing is if you break the rules, it's not just you and your family that gets persecuted. It's like eight generations of a family. They're extra damn your [ __ ] future great great great great great granddaughter to being a like a [ __ ] minor or something. my parents are from Russia and uh like when my parents left, my mom's dad was in like the Communist Party in in Russia, you know, like this is in the '70s. And when she left, he got kicked out. Like they gave him the boot and he was like a good like, you know, communist, you know, he was like he fought in the Red Army against the Nazis, all that stuff. Like he was like a war hero. And then they were just like, well, you know, you did a bad job raising your child because because punishment thing is one hell of a Yeah. like a a motivator. Yeah, it's it's it's [ __ ] wild, man. Do you see this undercover video shows Pornhub employees want porn to stay young people's sexual lives I saw I you know what? I saw I saw that trend. I didn't actually watch the video. So it's just like a kind of Project Veritas type thing. Exactly like that, yeah. Employees of Pornhub's parent company were caught on camera touting the benefits of underage kids watching pornography and even suggesting that making videos of transgender identifying people engaging in sex could help young people figure out their sexuality, according to a new video released exclusively on the Michael Knowles Show on Wednesday. Employee Dylan Rice, a senior script writer at the company, Script writer? is seen They still do that? I don't know. They're seen arguing that pornography usage could be beneficial for preteens. Let's say you're 12 years old, you're still figuring out your sexuality, maybe even your gender. Wouldn't it be helpful to see a celebration, but not just but maybe just a normalization of something that you think is what you want, Rice is seen saying. Rice went on to specifically reference a pornography site centered around transgender individuals, remarking, "Let's say I was 12 and I saw trans angels. It would help me figure out what I do like and what I don't like." Um I mean, I guess. I don't I don't I'm not sure. Like, you know, I I I haven't gone through every category of on the porn websites, but I imagine there's quite something for everybody there. know what India, the second most popular type of porn in India is? No. Breastfeeding. Ugh. Breastfeeding porn. Dude, it's so strange. So, this is from a Seth Stephens-Davidowitz's book um Everybody Lies, and he his argument was basically you tell Google things that you don't even tell yourself or your journal or your partner because it's what do you want, not what do you think about like writing and reflecting on. Yeah. And he looked at Pornhub data, and it's just breastfeeding porn isn't big any It's not even big in like surrounding countries, whatever the [ __ ] around India. Uh it's not big. Indian people, Indian men specifically just seem to [ __ ] love breastfeeding porn. Weird. Yeah. And what Is there any theory as to why? He gave me like some because cows are sacred. Oh, wow. This is like deep. Yeah. Yeah. It's like some [ __ ] religious thing. Yeah, I don't know. Um but yeah, this I I I don't know. Like I've been thinking this more and more about the um some of the expository [ __ ] that we see online. There was a a screen grab of maybe a Tinder conversation or dating conversation that went mega hyper hyper viral of a guy saying that he wanted a traditional wife and the woman saying, "That's really great cuz that's what I want, too." And then he accused her of being a gold digger because she said that she would stay at home. And it's like early days dating or whatever, but it just like reading it seemed so not the way that people text. There was unnecessary exposition about the fact that they went for dinner last night, and I knew that I shouldn't have done that and she was like, "What do you mean? I paid for the bill at dinner last night." And it was like Do you think it's fake? This just feels a little bit clunky. That seemed like a [ __ ] false flag, but the same thing with like some of the [ __ ] secret camera [ __ ] And then also the same for on street interviews. Like the on street interviews, the ones that make these compilations, like what what didn't make it? Like how many people said, "I'm just really looking for someone that kind of respects me and loves golden retrievers and cats." That's not going viral. No. Yeah, it's always it's always the worst stuff, you know? And yeah, you don't know. Like that like it could be legitimately we talked to a thousand people, two of them said the worst [ __ ] you've ever heard of. And that's the only one that's interesting, I guess. It's this weird combination of is it legit? So is is what you're seeing contrived, made up like that set of screenshots that I think was. And okay, let's say that that's not. Was this an unfair representation of what most people saw? And then what does what they said actually mean? Is what they're saying what they meant to say? Yeah. And is that actually how they're going to show up in their life? Like oh man. Like it every time I think about it, I know it's like flogging a dead horse about like, "Oh, it's so hard to work out what the facts are." And people can't even agree on what the word truth means anymore. Oh, we can't we can't agree on anything anymore. Like It's wild. It's it's insane. Every argument now is just everybody talking past each other. It everybody almost seems like when they're arguing there seems like there might be some resolution. Like everybody feels like someone be like they say a point everyone goes All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we we've we've sorted it out, but it's not. Everybody is just you're on your side and that's it. That's that's everybody's, you know, just picks a side and then they're staying on that side. It's very rare, I think right now, where people's minds are changed. When was the last time? I keep thinking about this on Twitter. No one ever actually breaks the fourth wall on Twitter and says, "Hey, that was out of order. Like, you can't say that." It's always this like clap back satirical game of tennis where you're trying to be wittier or more cutting than what the last person said. And it's all like sardonic, passive-aggressive, like quote [ __ ] subtweeting what the last person said. It's never someone like just going like, "Hey, hey, that's out of order. You don't get to say that." No one actually [ __ ] treats it like an actual conversation. No, no, no, no. I mean, you know what? The closest I've seen to some, which was like brought me so much joy. I thought it was the funniest thing to to some sort of argument that resolved, was in I posted this video about because since the It's been going on for a while. It used to be like really, you know, dark web kind of uh stuff, like white supremacist stuff, but these charts of how Jews that are representation of Jews and things, like in I don't know if you've seen it. They'll be all like It'll say like all the Jews in politics or the media or whatever. And then these giant charts. Remember Kanye? He he held up that He had his thing about the the spreadsheet. So then, once the war started, all these anti-Israel people were like, "Look at all these Jews that are" And so then I made this sketch. And it was the guy that researches how many Jews are in things. And I'm like this very just like autistic, just like I just like knowing how many Jews there are in things. And I just make these lists or whatever of Jews are in things. And it went like really viral. And then in the comments was this guy and he's like like he goes, "What What's so funny? Like, you know, why Cuz essentially the guy is like who had his list and then he goes He goes, "My list is He goes, "Here's my" And he had a drive link of a public list that he made. And then he started getting in an argument with another guy who's like, "I have a list and my list is actually better. It's It's more thorough." And then they were like in the comments going back and forth with each other about whose list of Jews contest. Circumcised dick measuring. Yeah, but it was there it was They were just like, "Who's has a more accurate list of Jews that are represented in thing?" And then they were arguing and then they finally the one guy goes, "You know what? I I looked at yours and yours is actually better than mine and and then they kind of like became friends. It was and I was like, "Oh my god." You watched a burgeoning bromance occur in your comments. yeah, in my comments. I I screenshotted it all cuz I thought it was the funniest thing and they they essentially started off as enemies. Dude, it's been a [ __ ] rough year for Jews this year. Like honestly, like between Kanye and [ __ ] Well, everybody's so surprised about the the what's going on now with the Jewish stuff, but I saw it firsthand with the Kanye stuff because when the Kanye thing, you know, I was commenting on that and, you know, like I was making sketches around that and so I would see go on YouTube on on and it was, you know, pretty much all in favor of Kanye. So then So I was not surprised now. People are like, "What the what's going on? People don't like Jews, huh?" And I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, I've seen that for That's kind of been been bubbling up. I think that's always kind of under the surface literally for the last 3,000 years." don't have my head up my ass that much. I I I notice trends and I I pay attention to [ __ ] as best I can. And I had no [ __ ] idea that there was this much latent anti-Semitism. Yeah, it's just it's kind of it's it's like herpes. It's like a cultural herpes where it just it has these outbreaks, like these flare-ups, you know? And then it kind of like goes away and then it kind of flares up again and then and Yeah, it it's really weird to see cuz I have some friends who who kind of don't realize cuz I get it cuz I comment on the stuff a lot. A lot of sketches I make are like around the stuff like the ones I personally make, not with like Ryan. And yeah, and then like some of the you just see like insane comments. But I mean, I don't know. Well, I mean, people have started to use ice The the only thing I can do is just make fun of it. There's no, you know, that's the only Even the episode I did with Peterson a couple of weeks ago, there was a bunch of comments calling him Jew and JEW AND PETERSTEIN. YEAH, I I LOVE IT. The problem is I'm like, yeah, I I I I find it so funny, you know, I think a lot of Jews are don't find it funny. They're like, this is more serious. And you know, I guess that could be determined. I sometimes joke about it where I make too much fun of this stuff and then I'm, you know, getting put on a train and I go, "Ah, I made too much fun of that. I should have taken that more seriously." Alex Jones tells Tucker Carlson that President Biden walks around the the White House naked, drugged on amphetamines and benzos. As Elon Musk says that he's considering allowing Alex Jones back on X. Yeah. Yeah, that I mean, I don't know. I I don't know about that. I mean, I suppose it's possible. Well, with everyone's been They should let him back on though. Everyone's been speculating for quite a while about what they've had to pump Biden with in order to roll him out on stage. Yeah. You know, like some like sort of punch-drunk WWE style, like Hulk Hogan coming back for another then he need like a court is all shot in the knee. Yeah. Yeah. like [ __ ] opioids for my spine and then your chiropractor's going to come in and do this thing. I I yeah, I don't know. He He seems to have his moments for sure where he's better and when it like Sometimes you'll see him talking and you go, "Oh, he seems okay right now." But then sometimes I I I mean, I kind of joke about it. He's the only 81-year-old who we treat poorly like this. Like, if he was like a civilian, like we would never Remember when he fell off his bike and everybody's like, "That [ __ ] idiot fell off his bike." You're like, he's an old man. Yeah. Well, you'd pick him up and be like, Yeah. Yeah, you're like, "Are you okay?" Yeah, "Are you okay?" Like, can we get you And now we're just like, "Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, he fell off his bike." But I guess when you're the most powerful person in the world, there's a That's so right. There's a higher standard. That's so right. Like everyone's really mean. But to old people. a sweet old man. That being said, I think sweet. Maybe not sweet, but Yeah. I think uh someone highlighted that if Trump gets in office next year, he will be older than when Biden got in office. I believe so, yeah. Yeah. Trump looks older. Does he? Yeah. seen him recently. Um Is he showing the old age on the face? Uh he Yeah, he looks I mean, again, I don't know what the kind of curve is. Like the aging curve when I I've I've seen some people say it's almost closer to a step function. Well Yeah, like you just like you age kind of like it it kind of Really hits you. Yeah, it really hits you cuz he does seem more than 4 years older than he was 4 years ago. The uh well, there's that photo that famous photo of Obama, right? Like before and after presidency. It's every president. That [ __ ] ages you. I I mean, when you have to press a button and kill a village, that has to take a toll on you. Do you know how they do the um like [ __ ] nuclear football? Do you know how that thing works? No. I found out from this guy. It's so [ __ ] fascinating. So, there's 130 missile silos, IBCM nuclear missile silos all around the states, right? At each one of those, at all times, there are two officers, and both of the officers have keys around their neck. Now, what you would think would happen is there's a nuclear football that goes with the president, and that is got a special piece of paper that they snap in like a wax seal. They snap that, they pull it apart. There's a piece of paper inside that's got a code. They enter the code. That then triggers the silo. The people get the code, enter the code, turn the keys at the same time. The reason you have two people is so that one is accountable to the other, and so that one person can't do it on their own, but also that you don't get I think it's called like willing dissenters or something. So that one It's like there's pressure, right? It's like, "No, dude, this is your job. Like we've got to do the thing." But, obviously, one of the problems that you have with doing it that way is if you're [ __ ] if you're the guy that the silo comes off, both of you can be nervous about doing it cuz I was about I'm about to [ __ ] turn the key and kill like like thousands of people or something. So, every 45 minutes or so, every single silo around the entire US has one of these things happen. Really? All of them. And then the guys get their keys, put them in, turn them, enter the key like enter the code, press the [ __ ] button. And then they go back. So, they What? Yeah. Every less than It's like around about every single hour and I think they're on 8-hour shifts and there's like whatever the bunches of people, so 24 hours a day, 365, this is happening. And they always go off. It goes off all the time and they don't know if it's real or if it's another one of the drills. Yeah, it's just a drill. And they just have to And the reason that they do that is when it does happen if it does happen when it's real, it's just you've been programmed. It's like this is part and parcel. Yeah, it's just like the But, you'll have heard the stories from Russia, it's the opposite there. So, most junior members of staff that do the Oh, it's some of the most junior intelligence officers that have the keys cuz it's kind of a bit of a droogy job. It's like put the key in, turn it, press the button, blow up whatever. But, in Russia, it's the opposite. It's the most senior members of staff. But, you'll remember like there's like three times that we've come basically super close to nuclear war and oh, it turned out to be like pieces of foil that were in the sky or like the glints of birds or something or some misreading on the There was a submarine one in where they lost contact and they they basically had some sort of order. Like, I can't remember the exact story. I think I heard it on Coast to Coast or something, but it's like a famous like a US submarine. They they lost full contact and essentially like the protocol was that they believed that they were under nuclear attack and they had to do it and then some guy willing dissent or He he overwrote. He goes, "No, we're not doing it." And then he was right and he So, had he not been, they would have just accidentally launched. Yes, crazy. So, that that happened like I think at least two or three times in Russia, but this in the US, this is the final like [ __ ] kicker that I learned from this dude. And he said that um not only is it all of them happening almost all the time 24 hours a day 365 and they don't know if it's real or if it's fake, but all of them are part of one network. So, all it takes is for one pair of people to enter the code And they all fire? And they'll fire whichever one needs cuz they're all pointing at different places. Yeah. Like I can be in [ __ ] Iowa and the Wisconsin [ __ ] thing goes off even if So, you need like one pair of people out of 130 pairs of people who also have the accountability of each other and also don't know if it's real or if it's fake. And then I guess just one day, if it ever happens, one day you're just going to [ __ ] like put the code in and then here Oh my That's insane. Yo, holy [ __ ] So [ __ ] wild. That's wild. I had no idea. I always thought it was just the president goes enters the thing and goes press the literally I There needs to be some people. open a briefcase, there's a button, you go whack whack and No. It's [ __ ] cool. But probably better though that way. What have you reflected on about this sort of Matt Rife fallout? Have you thought about this much? I thought You know, honestly, I feel like I know a guy who uh who like opens for him and you know, he has a unique situation because his audience one he got famous super fast. His audience is all women, right? It's like 90 It's the opposite of our audience. Like literally it's like all women. And uh I think when this stuff like he was a basic joke. It It wasn't anything that crazy, but I think he Matt Rife probably won't wants to be like, I just want to be a comedian for everyone. So, I I think he kind of leaned into this controversy because it allowed him to kind of just um shave off a bit of the audience. Yeah, you go I'm going to get rid of the 10% of the most annoying audience that just kind of, you know, is maybe a little fair weather and I you know, I don't want to cave to their demands. I just want to do what I want and he might have been able to replace those 10% with a new 10% of guys. So, net net it probably is a better move. So, that's kind of how I read it. He's just like, look, I'm a comic. I'm not trying to cater to a specific audience. Do you think that that playing it that way cuz he then posted like the Instagram story of the special needs Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just trying to be like, that's just comic stuff. Do you think that that's given him or will give him more legitimacy in like the comedy world? Not that he doesn't already have it, but Yeah, uh I mean, I don't think he needs like legitimacy per se like, you know, he's a he sells 5,000 tickets a night like a minute. He's already That's legitimate enough. Yeah, that's legitimate enough. I think he just wants maybe to not be pigeonholed as and nobody really does, I think as a comedian. So, I think he he just wants to say, "Hey, you know, I'm not like some just handsome dude who's not doing jokes, you know, I can be funny just like another comedian would." Which I think was probably a smart move for him. I think I told And then you get also just all the people complaining about you and it just raises your profile because, you know, he was on TMZ. Everybody's like, "Oh, this guy." So, I'm sure lots of people didn't even know who he was. Is it Yeah, yeah. Well, I think Rogan said his show has never had as many plays as when CNN was featuring him. Exactly. Yeah, so the the Streisand effect, if you use it right, it can be pretty powerful. The and there you know, it's the saying, but there is really no no negative publicity. You know, like as long as you're not doing something like criminal, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah, I told you about this last night, but Sam Harris talks about digital leprosy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is almost like um purposeful leprosy or like elected leprosy. So, Sam's point being that he gets into different funerals and and and debates or whatever on Twitter, but now he have Twitter. So, bits of his audience might be mad at him and they'll be leaving, but because he's not there, he doesn't notice it. Kind of like a leper, like the fingers fall off and the foot falls off and they're like, "Ooh, like I didn't feel it." But, I wonder whether um Matt in some regards almost was like, "Oh, this is my opportunity to cull some barnacles off the bottom of the ship that I don't want." Uh so, if I lean into this even more, I'll get rid of like a little bit of more barnacles, too. And I mean, what's he supposed to do? Apologize for a joke? Like there's that is like the number one rule of comedy, you do not apologize for your jokes. I asked uh Schulz this last year, do you think that there are is there such a thing as a joke that shouldn't be told? I mean, if it constantly bombs, I mean, that's the only thing. Is it funny? Is it funny and is it not funny? I you know, obviously, that that's like the starting point is is it funny or is it not funny? If you tell a joke and it constantly bombs and you go, "Yeah, don't tell that joke." Then you can get into you know, more like uh craft kind of stuff where you say, "Hey, is this the is this a good joke?" Cuz there's bad jokes that do well. That make people laugh and there may be cheap jokes or whatever. Then you can start getting into that, but you know, every comic has they they have to make those decisions for themselves. That's exactly what Schulz said. Yeah. Literally, he was like, I I said, "Is there a joke that shouldn't be told?" And he said, "Is it funny?" And I was like, "Yes." He said, "Tell it." Yeah. Tell it. if it's a funny joke, you're allowed to tell it. Yeah, exactly. You're allowed to tell it. And then if you want to say like, you know, some Every comic sometimes will come up with a joke and then you tell it and it kills and you go, "Feels kind of cheap, you know, for whatever reason." What's like a No, it might even be Yeah, it might be icky cuz it's just like, "Ah, it's kind of hacky." You know. what what's like an example of something like that? Just like you like what we were talking about with the you know, you're just comics are talking about their lives and then you know, you talk about your life. Like it was the airplane stuff going through the airport sometimes or whatever. You sometimes be like, "Ah." It's like that's a funny joke, but you know, maybe it's not the best take on it. falling off a bike joke or something. Kind of. Or I mean, I'll tell you what uh because comedy has shifted because of um the speed at which it used to be like a lot of comedians would put out a new special every like 4 years kind of thing. And uh now it's a little quicker because in order to tour and just the amount of amount of comedians, but a lot of comics will comment on the same stuff. Like, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer show came out and then there's 10 comedians, you know, you might be the first but then eventually Everyone's doing Jeffrey Dahmer stuff. Everybody's Everybody's doing Jeffrey Dahmer bits and then you got to be like, okay, do I have the best Jeffrey Dahmer bit or am I at least there's like it's almost like an arms race to get it out there to be like at least I'm the first one to get it out there because you definitely don't want to be the guy with the special with you know, the 10th Jeffrey Dahmer bit. Oh. Right? But everybody's watching the same stuff right now. Like and all these things are the biggest cultural things, you know? So, if you want to comment on the thing that everybody is seeing uh I mean, the classic thing would be Trump with late night, you know? It just it became so trite and it ruined these comedians. It literally like ruined their brands. You know, they were constantly just all they could talk about was Trump and it was uh and it was dishonest how they were talking about it and people kind of, you know, at first people were like, yeah, and then even people on the left were like, okay, this is this is just hack. Hack, yeah. Yeah, dude, uh well, we were talking um last night about this sort of fallout from late night show hosts trying to come and do less scripted, more just banter Yeah. stuff and you kind of get to see like who's swimming naked there as well. They're all swimming. I mean, it was for that Strike Force 5 thing that they did, the five uh late night hosts during the strike. And uh I watched it. It was terrible. It was Well, it was a literally a Zoom call between five guys. They had nothing prepared. They just and you know, they they're very classic like they told you know, Stephen Colbert was telling some story about some famous dictators pants that he had and like some famous I can't remember but who like some dictator like dated his mom or something in like the '60s. Emilio Estevez or something. Yeah, and he's like I have his pants and then they tell some story about like buying I saw Sammy Davis Jr. Jimmy Kimmel's like yeah, I saw Sammy Davis Jr. at like a store. Okay, yeah. And it's just like it's just so banal and mundane and you know, that you can tell they're like yeah, these The crazy thing is these guys have all 20 writers. And the 20 writers still are not cranking out much material. you think's the future? What's the What's the future of comedy from what you're seeing? Like one of the trends you've seen is that specials are having to be paced up more quickly. Yeah, for sure. Louie Louie was kind of the first guy who pressed the accelerator. But now, you know, yeah, you have to especially if you're talking about certain things, it just it gets stale. So you either put it out or you just can do it uh and then stop doing it, which is not a Is there a delicate balance between showing enough of what you're working on that are good jokes on Instagram or TikTok or whatever to be able to sell tickets for your shows versus not releasing your entire special in 45-second chunks in advance of the special? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I And you know what? Sometimes this is kind of a newer thing where a lot of comics will, you know, when they go on the road, they'll have a a little time devoted to just kind of stuff that's in the news. And they're not the most polished jokes, but because they're referencing something so current, they actually will hit well and then you can release those cuz those don't actually really make the act. Right, yeah. Those were like Mike Norman Sam Morril does a good job of that. Ryan does a good job of that. Um But yeah, they'll just kind of like just it's almost like how we comment on something on a podcast, you know? [ __ ] happened. Britney Spears, you see that new Exactly. And you know, you're not really it's not good enough where you're like this isn't going to make the act isn't going to be a part of the special. Yeah, it's not going to be a part of the special, but we can talk about this today in this one weekend at this show and then I'll clip this I'll film this and put it out and so you kind of What else what else is happening in in the world of like Comedy? I mean it's like it's really funny me and Ryan were talking about how a lot of comedians are now like like if like actor like the actual celebrities are now becoming podcasters essentially because that whole world is fragmenting. I don't I I you know, we're not really in it to be honest, but that whole world of comedy is is getting very fragmented like you know, our the people who are fans of us I can't imagine they you know, they don't watch late night. They don't really I don't even know what comedies are on. Like I don't know what a comedy show is on right now. Big Bang. No, it's been off so that's so so so so funny. We talked about that. It's been canceled for like 7 years or something. I never watched it. if you walk around New York right now You'd feel like it was No, no, no. They have their like the buses and taxis have all ads for it. Because that's what's going on with comedy where they're promoting a show that's been canceled for 7 years like it's a show that's on because there's no good shows that are on. I know there's always Sunny in Philadelphia is on uh which is like all the good shows comedy wise are the shows that have been on for 15 years like South Park, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but in terms of new comedies it's there there's I and I get it there's you know, you don't want to take these risks. There's a disincentive to comedic risk taking because of you know, the climate I guess. So and they don't and and you know, the comedies that come out are just the most vanilla like kind of mundane [ __ ] and no one watches it. distance because South Park's illustrated. I wonder whether the distance that the people who make it have from the like actors that make the actual front and center on the TV show. I wonder if that's giving them a little bit more longevity. I I I just think that they're such a money maker and you know, like Comedy Central, like for example, Comedy Central doesn't make anything anymore. They they just don't. Like I I couldn't tell you what they make. They just air reruns of their um properties that they have, you know, maybe Key and Peele. It used to be Comedy Central if you got a special on Comedy Central, that was cool. It's not anymore. Like nobody will say that being like, "Oh, sick, I got a a half hour on I don't even think they do half hours. They'll do maybe like these 10 minutes, but Comedy Central's YouTube channel, I've said this many times, but cuz I, you know, I do live streaming for my call-in show that I do on Tuesday nights. It's called Low Value Mail if you want to check it out, m a i l, but they have 11.6 million subscribers on their YouTube channel, Comedy Central, and they'll do these live streams of stand-up. It's like two, 300 people watching. Like they've they've absolutely killed their brand. Like killed it. It's destroyed. I don't even think it could be resurrected at this point. So, That's [ __ ] crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, think about it. Like, you know, Daily Wire has to make comedy stuff right now. And I saw a thing with Jeremy where he was saying like, you know, Joe Rogan essentially was like, "You guys have to make this." And then he's like, "Yeah, you know what? We do kind of have to make this Yeah. because nobody else will. And there's just nobody Everybody just wants to play it safe with especially with comedy. There hasn't been I mean, I've been beating this cuz this horse cuz it's just so crazy to me. There has not been a popular comedy movie, like a big box office hit in now 10 years. the last one? Ted 2. Like if you look at the top 50 comedy movies of all time by by box office, the only one like the most recent one of those was Ted 2. Wow. 10 years ago. Like there's just, you know, there any it obviously overlaps perfectly with what's going on culturally. you what, speaking of Ted 2, Family Guy is still going. I didn't realize that it's still going. Why do you watch it? I I've seen clips of it or whatever. Fox. It's on Fox, right? Yeah, Simpsons, too. Um but that seems to have really, I don't know, I remember in 10, 15 years ago, Family Guy was like [ __ ] crazy. hot. Yeah, they This is going to be This it made South Park almost look slow in some way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like more cool and more cutting in the The characters are kind of a bit more lovable and and now it I don't know. Yeah, I haven't I You know what? I can't even comment on it. I have not seen Family Guy in a long time. I'm sure it has its its moments, but again, it's just one of those things where it's probably just some big money maker. They're not going to really be able to replace it with something that is comparable. Yeah, I Jimmy Carr told me about this idea of a trajectory being more important than position. So, if you are 100th in the world at a thing, but last year you were 200th in the world, there is more allure and excitement around you than if you're number three in the world, but last year you were number two. So, basically, your sort of trajectory is more important than your absolute position. And you're right with what you say about cuz it's more up you're it's uh yeah, like there's more upside and there's more potential and there's more unknowns around it, right? Like once you're two, you go, well, you can only be one and that's it and then we're done thinking about where this could go. There's no daydreaming about what could happen here. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How how high could they rise? Maybe even higher than the highest person. Right, right, right. But yeah, that sort of slow decline. But yeah, man, I it's one of those things I can totally see it why people would sacrifice credibility or cool or whatever. And it's not like they always purposefully do this. Sometimes people just like make calls that uh tweet things or say things or do whatever that's like uh [ __ ] I thought that was kind of cool or interesting or whatever right at the time and it didn't be it's not everything is a rational purposeful decision but a good chunk of it is just not keeping your eye on the ball and you're right Comedy Central to go from where they were to where they are now. And it was just all the kind of you know, not to sound like some crazy like boomer or whatever but like it really was the diversity stuff because they were uh you know, when I I I think everything got like it was almost like a hockey stick when Trump showed up like in terms of this massive over overreaction course correction kind of thing but you know, they wrongly were overemphasizing like white guys like when people say you know, they were they they put too many of them and but the problem is is is how do you you know, like you can't just like exactly um represent everybody like it's that's like communism essentially like what we're going to have a exact representation of every person 12.5% You know what I mean? It's like it's literally impossible so they were overdid it one way and now they and then they went and they overdid it the other way but with comedy the problem was is that sometimes like you can't just I know that you want to keep your jobs right and the only way to do so at the time was to say hey we need to like really make this super diverse but like there just wasn't the people available to do that like you can't like you can't just say hey this person's checks these three boxes you're like but that person's been doing stand-up for three months they're just not good it's not nothing against them and like I don't blame those people for taking that thing but you're like that's just not how art should be It's a ruthless position almost to put the the elected person into as well because what's going to happen? That they're going to say no? They're going to put like they're not going to say no but if they say yes then they they kind of buy all of the people in the industry that actually care they feel like they've gotten an leg up. And then they're like, "Oh, right. Okay. So, I say no to this and I'm maybe never get this opportunity again." No, you never say no. You never like comedians are never rarely turning down any opportunities like that. So, yeah, you just you take the opportunity and and then but if you go look at the comments, right? Like like comedy Go look at Comedy Central Stand-Ups Instagram page, right? They've kind of I think they kind of seen the error of their ways, but in classically way too late. But it's all these people who followed them for Bill Burr and Dave Chappelle. And then they just started putting all these just kind of essentially amateur comedians on for the purpose of diversity, which is truly self-serving cuz it was for the purpose of these people keeping their jobs. Right? Because they essentially It was like the tide came out and they were like, "Man, you know, the tide's out and we're we [ __ ] up. We we put too many white people on or whatever." So, then now we have to overreact. And then all the comments are like, "What is this shit?" Like people are like, "This is Where's the You know, you got the like Where's the joke?" And I feel bad for uh the diverse people who are actually good because then when they get put up, people will think it's for the purpose of diversity, right? And you're like, "So, it it's a unwinnable position because if they wanted to say, 'Hey, we're going to put the best people on,' then there was a chance that it might not be representative enough, quote unquote. Cuz the thing is there was You know, when I started comedy, which is 15 years ago, a lot of women would fairly or or at least say like, you know, they would be the tokenized person on a show, right? They would say like, "We already have one woman on the show." Kind of like you'd hear that. Like a show with eight people. But also they were about that ratio of comedians. Like it wasn't ever 50/50. Like comedy's a guy thing or at least was. And then, you know, when this stuff started happening, they were like, "Okay, we need 50/50." And you're like, "That is not how comedy shakes out." barrel of women not how comedy shakes out. Like it's not 50/50. Like it's not if you took a master list of all comedians, it's not half women. It It's probably now a quarter. Well, I'll tell you one interesting thing that I realized was uh I come from a nightlife background. The number of female DJs, I mean cuz you can be a good DJ. You can be an all right producer and a very, very good DJ. So people go to see people that play good club sets that don't necessarily produce and make music that's absolutely banged and gone into the charts. But when you're doing DJing, there is other than the selection of the things, it's not like you don't know who's doing it. If I listen to a podcast with a guy or a podcast with a woman, like I know I hear what's coming out of them. And also they have different talking points, too. But with DJing, it's like if I press a [ __ ] Tiesto track or if a chick presses a Tiesto track, it is the exact same thing happens, right? So from a performance standpoint, it's completely egalitarian. But from a lifestyle standpoint, do you want to just pack and unpack and live in hotels and be on the road and be up until 4:00 in the morning for 150 days of the year? Like is that a lifestyle that you actually want? But if you want to try and get 50/50 representation, you're going to have to like dig into population rather than like industry demographics. Yeah, for sure. And you have to find people who are, you know, maybe I don't know if in the world of DJing not as qualified or whatever, but I mean again, this is communism. Like like when all this stuff when we were in Canada and we were making stuff and then and the tide started to turn on this stuff and like Ryan would have like a show at CBC and CBC would say like they literally send him a spreadsheet where you say you have to have all these things and it was funny cuz Ryan was the writer, director, producer. So that's all white guys. And so Ryan's just like, I have to like fire myself. Right? Cuz which is weird cuz he's like one I don't need a uh I'm like I don't need a director. I want to direct it myself. I want to want to do all this stuff myself. But then CBC's like well, you're literally three white guys in this scenario. But then I would show my mom He's 1/3 of a white guy Technically well, no. You know, that's the problem is he's not. jobs away from people of color. Literally. That's how they see it. And then and I told my mom this and my mom's like yeah, that's that's like what Russia was like. Like that's like what living in communist Russia was like. Like you and I get I get it. Look, there's always going to be someone getting the short end of the stick. It's there's no and that's why I, you know, don't get too, you know, when I'm get told like hey, we we can we're not seeing, you know, when I was doing acting in Canada, they'd be like hey, if you weren't a white guy, maybe we could help you out, but just that's how it's going and I never really got to worked up over it because there's always been someone who was told that. Yes. It's always someone's always going to get the the short end of the sticks. You just got to take it, you know, like I don't know I I don't really know. I'm not going to be like making it my identity and complaining about it. I just go okay, fine. I'll I'll figure out a way and I have. You know, so and thankfully there's YouTube and the internet and all that stuff where everybody can kind of carve out their own thing. Oh, yeah. Danny, let's bring this one home. Where should people go if they want to keep up to date? Uh you can find me on Twitter Danny Jokes, unfortunately on Instagram Danny Jokes 2.0. I'm hopefully we'll get my old Instagram regular Danny Jokes back, but if you want to find me on Instagram Danny Jokes 2.0. Boys Cast, as you see right here. My my life partner. Yeah, yeah, my pleasure. My Ryan Long who who is on the road right now, but we do new episodes every Friday on YouTube youtube.com/theboyscats. And I do a call-in show that I had when I referenced that I had Yoan Grillo on. I had Mark Dice on recently. And it's I just love kind of like talk radio. I've always been like a talk radio fan. I don't know why, but every Tuesday night at 9:00 p.m. called Low Value Mail m a i l and that's the name of the YouTube channel and you can check it out. It's a fun time. It's the only podcast where you can watch and call in and be on as you're watching even though it's even though it's just a radio show. But it's on YouTube that yeah man appreciate it buddy. Appreciate you too. Thank you. If you enjoyed that episode then press here for a selection of the best clips from the podcast over the last few weeks and don't forget to subscribe.