Video summary
The video examines the controversial appointment of Joshua Bonehill Payne, a former neo-Nazi activist with a history of racially aggravated offenses, as an adviser within Keir Starmer's Labour government following his selection by the Conservative Party for a council role in Somerset. Despite having been convicted multiple times for promoting anti-Semitic marches and harassing politicians, including photoshopping images of them onto rats, Payne has attempted to rebrand himself since his release from prison, claiming that reading the Bible transformed him and helped him unlearn his extremism. The narrative highlights how this story gained significant traction after he was selected by Keir Starmer's team, leading to a situation where Jewish community leaders refused to meet with him due to concerns over ongoing legal restrictions and the severity of his past crimes targeting specific individuals like Luciana Burcher.
A central argument presented in the transcript is the perceived hypocrisy within political circles regarding forgiveness and second chances when it comes to different types of bigotry. The narrator questions why there was such a strong focus on attacking Keir Starmer over minor insurance fraud convictions while simultaneously accepting an individual with a history of neo-Nazi activity into a senior advisory role focused on counter-extremism. This double standard is further illustrated by the fact that Payne's new position involves advising on ending "identity politics," yet his own rhetoric frequently relies on framing anti-Semitism as an imported problem brought by immigrants, rather than acknowledging its deep roots in European far-right history or apologizing for other forms of hate speech he has promoted against Black and Brown communities.
The discussion concludes by analyzing how this situation reflects a broader trend within the contemporary far-right to shift targets from Jewish people to Muslims while maintaining alliances with Israel under the guise of defending Judeo-Christian heritage. The narrator argues that Payne's rehabilitation is not genuine but rather a lateral move into a different genre of politics where he continues to spread division, now focusing on anti-Muslim sentiment instead of anti-Semitism. Ultimately, the video suggests that this political maneuvering serves as a distraction tactic designed to create racial hierarchies and divert attention from the real causes of social instability, such as billionaire wealth concentration, by falsely portraying Black and Brown people as threats to white safety while they themselves face systemic dispossession.
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A lot has been said of Kemmy Bnock of
late that she's settled into her role as
opposition leader well after a bumpy
start and that she has taken the
Conservative Party back to its roots.
She has the second highest approval
rating for all party leaders in England.
But it hasn't translated into much
success given the Tories lost their
deposits in Makerfield in Gen and Denton
and were beaten by Restore Britain in
the Manchester Mayoral bi-election. But
that's not to say she hasn't been
without her gaffs from campaigning in
the Tory leadership contest on her
Twitter beef with Doctor Who and trying
to get the government to end Trump's
illegal war with Iran. However, I don't
think many of us were prepared for the
story that broke this week as it turns
out that a former neo-Nazi had been
selected by Box no Tories to run as a
council candidate in the ward of Krukarn
South in Somerset. Joshua Bonehill
Payne, more famous recently for his
allegedly satirical political AI slop
account, The Krue Gazette, had
previously been convicted on multiple
occasions of racially charged offenses
from his time as a neo-Nazi activist. In
2015, as part of a group called Liberate
Stanford Hill, he promoted plans for a
march against what he described as the
Jewification of Great Britain,
describing himself in an interview with
the Hackne citizen as a proud
anti-semite. Later that year, he also
promoted his intention to attend a
similar rally in Gold's Green, claiming
he was going to burn copies of the
Talmud and posting to his website that
the event would be quote an absolute
gas. He was subsequently convicted of
inciting racial hatred against Jewish
people in relation to posters on his
website intended for use at the event.
But that wasn't his most high-profile
conviction.
In 2016, he was also found guilty of the
racially aggravated harassment of Lucana
Burgger, who was at the time an MP for
the Labour Party. This included posting
on his blog that she was an evil money
grabber and posting photos of her
photoshopped onto a rat.
He's been on somewhat of a redemption
tour since his release, saying that he
read the Bible in prison and it helped
him unlearn his antise-semitism, saying
this at a recent event that appears to
be a Conservative party function. 10
years ago, I was in Wsworth, Belm Marsh,
some of the harshest prisons in this
country. And that is because
fundamentally I fell into extremism. I
started to uptake the ideas of
anti-semitism.
The very worst the very worst beliefs in
this country hating our fellow British
citizens.
And it was a very dark time for me. A
very dark time. But I needed to go to
prison. I needed to go to prison to
learn to understand that my beliefs, my
views were wrong. The time that I spent
in solitary, the time that I spent in
the block, as they call it, was time for
reflection for me. For the first time in
my life, I was given a copy of the
Bible. And I was able to fully
understand the history of the Jewish
people, the importance of Israel, and it
was revelationary to me. It transformed
my life, the time that I spent inside.
I realized in around about 2016 that
enough was enough. I'd wasted the
earlier years of my life, but I was
going to spend the rest of my life
making a difference.
>> He also posted this to Twitter under his
pseudonym Kru Man. Reading the Bible is
one of the first things to help me come
away from this wretched way of thinking.
It showed me the truth being that God's
covenant with Israel is unbreakable and
must be respected. No, I don't know
about anybody else, but I tend to not be
racist because I believe that all people
are equal and not necessarily because a
holo book has described its covenant
with some ancient civilization. But
that's just me. Now, his past as a
neo-Nazi activist became widely
publicized this week after his
selection, but BNO was quick to defend
him gunning for a council role, saying
this. The Conservative Party believes in
second chances. This is not just someone
that we've picked up uh who's a
convicted uh criminal. This is somebody
who is actively working to help
communities, especially Jewish
communities. And this is what I want to
see. I want to see second chances for
good people, for people who've learned
their lessons, for people who are
showing that they know what they did was
wrong. And I totally agree with that.
Zach Palansky said much the same today
in terms of treating people where they
are now rather than where they've been
before, no matter their mistakes
previously in life. But if that is the
case, if that is the case, why do the
Tories spend so long attacking Lou Hag
over a spent conviction for what was a
pretty minor case in my opinion of
insurance fraud? Why was this somehow a
huge deal for Lou Hake having a cabinet
position as transport secretary and now
coming back in to government under Andy
Burnham when that's significantly less
bad than going to prison for racially
aggravated harassment and being a
neo-Nazi? Like if we're going to do this
thing where we talk about like the
sanctity of forgiveness and the
importance of turning people's lives
around, which again like it seems like
this uh Tory council candidate had done
so. Why does that not apply to somebody
who's committed a significantly less
important offense? Answer on a postcard.
Now, that wasn't her only attempt at
making a former neo-Nazi more palatable.
The Tories even reached out to several
Jewish groups asking for a meeting to
prove to them that Bonehill Payne was a
reformed character. But both the Jewish
leadership council and the board of
deputies declined to speak with him.
They also put out a public statement on
the issue saying this.
The severity of Joshua Bonehill Payne's
crimes targeting Lucana Burgger and
others mean that he still faces ongoing
legal restrictions. Whilst we do believe
in the possibility of rehabilitation,
this should not in this case entail
selection as a candidate for a major
political party and the impact of the
decision on the victims ought to be a
central consideration. We have agreed to
meet the Conservative Party to discuss
their decision-making processes and to
urge them to rescend this decision.
Shortly after, Bonehill Payne announced
on Twitter that he was no longer seeking
election as a Tory candidate. But Finn
not he will still have a future role
within the Conservative Party. He's been
asked by Kimmy Bnock to instead be part
of the Conservatives Culture and
Integration Commission advising on
counter extremism. I mean this looks to
me like this is a significantly more
senior role than just dealing with the
bins which was in Kemy's own words be
his rem as a counselor. What I will say
though is that the very first headline
on the homepage for said culture and
integration commission that he is
potentially advising quite literally
says quote end identity politics in the
state. Surely concern for victims of
identity based discrimination which is
what anti-semitism is would fall under
that banner. seems like they're fine
with identity politics for some, but
maybe not for others. Dalia, now we all
hear about the problems of quote
left-wing anti-semitism in the media, in
the discussions in the press, in terms
of what the political parties talk
about, like the problems of
anti-semitism in Britain right now. And
yet, of course, we see this as a very
clear case of an incredibly uh obvious
form of right-wing anti-semitism,
clearly a reformed characters we see
now.
has previously had also said things
about like uh like hoaxes about Asian
people and and Somalis I believe on his
website too and yet those things don't
come up.
>> Yeah. I mean it's a classic case of uh
identity politics uh for thee but not
for no for me but not for thee and
anti-semitism crisis for thee but not
for me. Um so look I mean here's the
story. Okay. So, a a man with with a
neo-Nazi past, you know, a
self-described
uh former anti-semite has declared
himself reformed of those beliefs and
the Conservative party have hired him in
quite an important advisory role on the
basis that he is reformed from his
extremist um past. And you know, I want
to be be fair here. I I can believe that
someone who has been radicalized into
far-right politics can see the error of
their ways and can move past that and
can actually play an important role in
understanding how far radicalization
happens and can be part of the efforts
to combat uh farright extremism. So, I'm
not in principle against someone with
that past who has genuinely shown a
change playing a role in in figuring out
how we combat rising far-right
extremism. Um, and I would be willing to
believe that this could be one of those
cases if he hadn't just swapped one
far-right dog whistle for another
far-right dog whistle. Because when you
actually listen to how he he talks about
it, he describes anti-semitism
as a scourge kind of washing up on our
shores. You know, he uses a very
deliberate choice of language there to
to say washing up on our shores um and
threatening our fellow British
countrymen. Uh the implication there is
this thing that we're seeing a lot which
is this idea that anti-semitism is an
imported problem that it is something
that immigrants bring with them that
it's one of the many bad things and all
of the the various ills in British
society being an imported problem um
from immigration and of course what he
kind of conveniently forgets there is
that anti-semitism is is a deeply
European um invention. It's one of the
oldest, most deeply rooted traditions of
of the European far right to be
particular. You know, it didn't wash up
on the shores. It was already here. Um,
but another problem I have with it is
that he's only apologizing for one part
of his past as far as I can see. You
know, I I looked for evidence that he
had apologized um for example for
creating a hoax missing poster uh
claiming that a six-year-old girl had
been kidnapped by an Asian grooming
gang. I looked for evidence that he had
apologized um for spreading a rumor that
a pub in Leicester had banned military
personnel from patronizing their pub for
fear that it would offend immigrants. Um
as far as I can see, he has not
apologized for it. And if he has
apologized for it, he's certainly not
apologized for it with the fortitude and
publicity um that he has apologized for
his um previous anti-semitism. Um you
know, he has kind of directly and very
emphatically apologized for that. But he
has not apologized for sewing hatred and
division and actual material threat um
against black and brown people
specifically. The implication here is is
Muslims and he's joining a party, the
Conservative Party, that in my view
holds extremist and bigoted positions on
immigration and and Muslims. So this
isn't really a rehabilitation
story. It's more like a lateral move um
within a very similar genre of politics.
Um, and it actually kind of symbolizes a
more broad um, trend that is happening
inside the European far right that I've
been sort of observing for a while now,
which is a split over who the real enemy
is. you know, you have these kind of old
school uh far-right populists or or you
know, white supremacists like Nick
Griffin who for them, you know, still
anti-semitism is very much like the core
of the project. And you know, they talk
a lot about sort of Jewish cabals and
Jewish, you know, supremacy and all of
these things. And even sometimes that
can skirt into looking like solidarity
with the Palestinians, but it is
absolutely not. it is driven by hatred
and it should be rejected from from our
movements. Um but then there's a younger
faction within the European far right
and in the American far right that has
shifted its target to Muslims entirely.
Um and in doing so they've actually
built this very strong allegiance with
Israel and this idea of of a
Judeo-Christian heritage that they are
defending um against Islam. And so I am
seeing this as kind of emblematic of a
shift within the far right um for
around you know basically what politics
of bigotry they view as their most
electable form of of of bigotry. Um so
for me the the problem here is that yes
he might have said that he is sorry for
the anti-semitism but he's not sorry for
the other forms of bigotry that he has
from my view from what I can see um
spread and that to me isn't a hier isn't
an accident it's actually indicative of
a hierarchy of what kinds of bigotry are
getting a pass um in the contemporary in
this contemporary political moment. If
you could just bring up the graphic from
earlier, Alex, the one from the
Conservative Party's Commission. Yeah.
So, I want to get your opinion on this,
Daria, because it's interesting here is
that they're talking about like ending
identity politics, but they're also
talking about like stopping
multiculturalism in schools, like
clearly caring about that stuff. That
seems like identity politics to me. And
also about tackling is extremism. That
that feels pretty identity politics
coded. and in supports of like one set
of rules for everybody which would
preclude I know a hierarchy of racism
for example and meritocracy uh and
indeed of course like protecting free
speech but of course they would in it
seems to as far as they're concerned in
the way they've responded to this
believe that some things aren't free
speech in terms of like racist speech
but I would agree with what's your I'd
not seen this before today Dalia what's
your take on this proposed kind of
discussion from the Conservative party
that this guy's going to be involved in
>> well I mean it's the kind of classic
attempt to create a raceneutral language
around things that are are deeply
racial. You know, the stuff around
mecracy. I mean, who can argue with the
idea of meritocracy that you know,
regardless of who you are or whatever
that you can you can achieve and you can
you can have opportunities um opened up
to you. But in the context in which we
currently exist, that term is being used
as a dog whistle about this idea, this
kind of DI scare which implies that or
tries to construct this narrative that
black and brown people are getting
special treatment in Britain at the
expense of of white people. that, you
know, black and brown people are being
fraudulently hired into important roles
in the government in in um in various
institutions that they are getting
unfairly and unduly promoted that
they're being treated more uh softly by
the police. Even though all of the data,
like any data that you can take
seriously, any data that is not just a
hunch that people have demonstrates that
if you are black or brown in this
country, you're more likely to be poor.
You're more likely to be overpoliced.
You're more likely to be in shitty
housing. You're more likely to to be at
risk of all these different kinds of
vulnerabilities. But it's a kind of
remixing of that Enoch pal fantasy of
the black man having the whip over the
white man. this idea that, you know, not
only have we allowed immigration, you
know, mass immigration as it were. Not
only have we allowed black and brown
people to to come into this country, but
they have taken hold of all of the
institutions of this state. And they are
using that that incredible power to
dispossess and disenfranchise
um white people. And that is a very
powerful paradigm when at the very same
time that you are making those
arguments, the material conditions and
the social fabric for everyone in this
country is being ripped apart by
billionaires. So yes, it's it's kind of
a distraction um tactic, but it's also
not just a distraction tactic. It's also
actually part of a very particular kind
of politics and a politics that has a
vision for the world that is not just
about distracting people so that they
don't fight the billionaires. That's
part of it. But it's also creating a
society that is racially hierarchized.
And the irony is that the way that it's
being done is through spreading this
moral panic or spreading this falsity
that black and brown people are being
given an easy ride by the economy, an
easy ride by the political system that
they are in control of the state,
they're in control of of the economy.
Um, and that's why white people are
experiencing dispossession when in
reality we're all experiencing
dispossession at the hands of a
different minority, which is the
billionaire class. They're the ones who
have closed our community centers.
They're the ones that have turned our
housing market into basically a casino.
They are the ones that have destroyed
our NHS that are p privatizing it
through the back door. Um, but this
politics gains a lot of traction because
it offers a simple explanation for those
things. And it offers an explanation
that rests on a long history of
portraying black and brown people as
inferior and as threats to the safety of
white people.