August-24th Steve Rhodes on The Tom O'Brien Show - 2026
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Steve Rhodes joins the show to analyze current market volatility and offers a statistical perspective on seasonal trends, specifically focusing on the S&P 500's performance in September. While historical charts suggest that September often leads into a downturn in October, Rhodes decided to dig deeper by examining data from 1970 to the present day. His analysis reveals that simply looking at whether the month closes above or below its opening price is not significantly different from a coin toss, which challenges the traditional seasonal narrative. However, he found a much stronger pattern when analyzing the months following September; statistically, there is a significant upward bias in October, November, and December, with the probability of gains increasing each month until year-end.
Rhodes further refines this outlook by breaking down September performance based on the magnitude of its gain or loss rather than just a binary positive/negative result. He demonstrates that if the S&P 500 gains more than two to three percent during September, the likelihood of finishing the year higher becomes very strong. Conversely, even if September is negative, the data indicates a high probability of recovery in November and December. The current market situation adds another layer to this analysis: because the market recently reclaimed January lows and is now trading well above those levels, the statistical probability for a positive finish to the year jumps to nearly 78%.
The discussion concludes with a practical approach to navigating these seasonal probabilities without relying on crystal balls. Rhodes advises investors to track the S&P 500's performance day-by-day throughout September, monitoring how far the index moves above its opening price. As the market breaches higher percentage thresholds within the month, the statistical outlook for the year improves significantly. This method allows traders to understand where they stand relative to long-term historical data while acknowledging that short-term volatility remains unpredictable. Ultimately, the conversation highlights that while individual days can be tough, especially on Mondays or in early September, the long-term seasonal framework suggests a strong bias toward upside potential as the year draws to a close.
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Welcome back folks. We've got the S&P
negative by 16 right now. Nasdaq tech
stocks under pressure and right now
folks to talk about this market action
want to jump over to our man Steve
Rhodes. Remember folks you can check out
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Rhodes good afternoon.
>> Hi Tommy. How are you today?
>> I'm doing great man. How's your Monday
going?
>> It's going good. Can you believe it's
August 23rd 24th?
>> It's amazing man. You know Tommy started
kindergarten
almost 2 weeks ago now Steve. So that
was like where I was like woah what is
going on man? This is now
right and now I know time is flying man
for sure. Hey.
>> Totally totally and and what we're we're
we're flying into the month of September
and that's why I brought that up because
I have shown this chart I've yeah I've
shown this chart before. Uh this is a
chart provided to us by the folks at
Seasonax. They're really great company
at being able to put together the
seasonal data just one click to be able
to pull up these charts and really
really cool tool. So this happens to be
the 98-year uh seasonal cycle uh for the
S&P 500. The red uh vertical line
is where we're at today. So you can see
that historically we're approaching the
time period which is the first week of
September when we typically see some
type of high in the market that might
move lower into October. The very bottom
right-hand portion of the screen Tommy
shows month by month over 98 years and
what their average performance has been.
So we can see just how tough the uh
month of September is. We can also see
that Mondays are typically downer
Mondays, right? You know, you take
Monday off, if you if you will. So, so
>> It's It's like we come back from the
summer, which is a big weekend, you
know, same deal or the weekend. Yeah, as
you Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, pretty cool.
>> No, no, no. So, so what do you So, we've
shown this chart here. And so, I started
to thinking about it. I I just never
want to mislead anyone. So, I decided to
look under the covers. When I looked
under the covers, I was able to My data
goes back to 1970. So, we've got 56
years worth of data. And when I take a
look at just simply the month of
September, the results,
um what percentage of Septembers do we
close above the open of September? And
what percentage of Septembers do we
close below the open of Septembers?
Because when Tommy, when I look at this
chart here,
would you have expected that these would
be the results of a coin toss?
>> Right.
>> I would not have I did not expect that.
>> Yeah.
>> So, now maybe that that could just be
me, but when I when I when I ran the
data and I said, "Wait, this is not
substantially different than a coin
toss."
It lessened It lessened It lessened in
essence the message of the the seasonal
chart. Do you know what I mean?
>> Sure.
I definitely do. That's basically, you
know, there's variance, right? There's
There's all stuff that goes in as in
that that could just be outside of the
normal variance that you're getting of a
coin flip in terms of your sample size.
Definitely. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I So, I started with
this and I said, "Okay, let's let's try
digging a little bit further." And if we
look at each month separately during the
last 56 years, when the market Once the
market gets past September, so take a
look at the bottom here. Once we get
past September, this is This is how the
each month has performed. So, since I
knew how September was performing, I
said, "Let me go see how each of the
other months are performing." And what
was really Now, we've always talked
about the Santa Claus rally I've talked
about the Santa Claus rally really
starting in October and moving through
the end of the year.
Well, when we take a look at it
statistically, look at once we get past
September, the chances of the October
closing higher are 60%, 67% November,
73% in December.
That's That's pretty wild, right? That
>> Santa Claus is real, Steve. He is real,
man. It's happening. No, that was a
question. Some numbers coming in as it
just
>> Yeah, and and and look, we we have we
have 57 years worth of data coming
through um July because we're in the
month of August. So, that's a So, if
folks are looking at the uh chart,
people should take a copy of This is
really important or this is I think this
is very helpful data. It really opened
my eyes.
If we take a look at the S&P 500 after a
positive September. So, after a positive
September, look at these percentages
here. It's amazing. It's I think it's
great. Now, what happens if the S&P has
a negative September? There's been 26
times we've had a negative September, 30
times we've had a positive. That's
basically our coin toss there. But, even
if we have a negative September, we
typically have a fairly positive
November, December. I'd say October,
Tommy, is pretty much kind of another
one of those coin tosses, you know. It's
a little bit better than a coin toss.
But, really the month of November and
December, I think this is very helpful
to all of our listener to our listener
base out there.
>> It is and you know, it's pretty cool how
it shows, too, in terms of there's quite
a market bias to the upside, which makes
sense overall, too, you know, in terms
of the market, man. These These are we
are at in in right now we get some
strong equities, the valuations, but you
know, the market just boy, you know,
when you look at those numbers over a
long-term period, there's a lot of value
creation, for sure, when you look at
them.
>> we we we had talked last week about uh I
had done the study on the uh equal
weighted uh ETF, the QQEW, and how that
was showing us
>> I have with the equal weighted and the
and the NASDAQ 100 making all-time highs
when the equal weight was leading. I
like that one. Please, go ahead.
>> Yeah. So, it just kind of feeds into to
to a lot of the stuff. I went to a
couple of steps further. I took a look
at the S&P 500. So, I wanted to really
understand September a little bit
further. And so, this was one way for me
to take a look at it just simply from a
price standpoint because there's
something each of us can do Uh here and
this is all based upon the S&P price
right now. So I don't know what it's
going to be eight next Tuesday. But but
you can you know you can change this. So
if we take a look at September just
starting off at the open, the left-hand
column here is take a look at when we
have Septembers that have a half year
a half a percent
increase or 38 point move during you
know by the end of September. Okay, so
this is this is this is by the end of
September here.
>> Okay.
>> versus a 1% would be 77 point move or
approximately 1 and 1/2 percent about
115 point move. What's interesting here
is when we take a look at a September
that only gets maybe maybe 1 and 1/2
percent. All right, that the um
the probability of of of moving higher
isn't too bad but look at how look at
how much stronger it gets Tommy we start
getting to a two or two and a half or
three or three and a half percent. So my
point is that the early percentage is 1
1 and 1/2 percent a little bit better
than a coin toss but what the real
meaning of this is so we got to track
September almost kind of like day by
day. Where are we? Are we above the
open? What percentage are we above the
open? Cuz we start breaching into the 2
and 1/2 and 3% which in today's trading
is almost one day's average range.
>> It's It's really That's what I've been
thinking about for like the last 3
minutes when you talk and these numbers
we're doing every day or two man. I mean
we got Sandisk and Micron putting
numbers up that are on me. Yeah, it's
it's pretty staggering. Yeah.
>> Yeah, so I I what I really think and and
I don't know the answer to it none of us
do cuz we don't know what's going to
happen tomorrow and the next day and the
next day but we can start taking a look
at each day in September and kind of
keep a a
you know a
running total. Where are we at?
>> Okay.
>> Are we up or are we down? Right? Because
the the more we start moving towards
this three three and a half percent
number, boy then then we start talking
about where Septembers are not negative.
They're substantially positive out there
and that's the help That that's that was
the importance for me about digging
under the covers and really trying to
understand what September what that what
the what the annual seasonal chart was
really showing us. If I take a look at
September's performance and I take a
look at the January framework, this is
where we're at right now, Tommy. You
know, just cut right to the chase. We're
in this column here where the January
low failed. What I mean is that we
closed below a January low and then we
reclaimed that low and we are well above
the January highs. This is the situation
where we're in right now. And in this
situation
the chances of of September finishing
higher were 77.8%.
Pretty wild.
>> All right.
>> We'll see we'll see how it turns out,
but let's keep track day-by-day, you
know, how how is September performing?
>> I was going to say we're going to get
some appetizers with the video setting
the stage on Wednesday, right? And maybe
we'll see where we kick off September
following those numbers. Steve, I
appreciate the breakdown. Folks, you
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webinars in there as well. Steve, great
stuff, man. Look forward to the program
tomorrow at 11. Thanks so much.
>> Thanks, Tommy. You bet. Take care.
>> Have a great one. Folks, we'll come
right back.
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