Ask Aleš: What Would You Like To Know About WikiTree Plus? w/host Greg Clark (Sep 2026)

Welcome to our September As session. >> Yay, there's Allesh. And we're here on Zoom. Um, which is exciting because we can see more people's faces. Um, and we can see them move about. We know they're live people who are with us. Um, yeah. Now, if you're shy and you don't want to share your camera or your microphone, that's totally fine, of course. Um, we don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. Um, and the recording will have basically the screen sharing mostly. Um, but if you're shy about having your face on camera, then just turn off your video. Uh, and you can always turn on your audio and ask questions that way or just type in the chat, whatever you prefer. So if you are here um and you do have a question please do use the chat um to let us know put a Q in front and then the question um and then we will switch to you and then you um and you could re repeat the question or elaborate after I uh mention it but um uh yeah so it's uh the whole thing is to be able to ask a le uh anything you want to know about wiki tree plus and uh so um Now uh is anyone no one's sharing their screen at the moment? Right. >> Right. >> Nope. >> No. Okay. Um well I I will start sharing my screen now. Can do you see the zoom panels on my screen or not? >> No just the >> just the >> GTG post. >> Okay. Oopsie. That's not what I wanted to do. Let me zoom in a bit there. Is that legible? One more I think. >> One more. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay then. Um so there uh from Ask Allesh. Uh okay. So the first question Patty we did answer already in >> last >> on during the month I believe right? >> Yeah. The one here that you had said is uh the when we talked about uh high king Brian Buu from Ireland uh and how many descendants he has uh he thought that kind of information about the wiki treers with the most descendants would be an interesting thing to put in the treetops page. That's obviously not something that would be calculated on the fly. It would be something that you'd have to pull from the data, right? Um, but is that so your question I think is is that something that's relatively easy to calculate and then add to treetops. Am I summarizing that right, Patty? >> Yeah, I presume it would be done once a week or once a month or something because >> we've already decided it's too computer intensive to do it on the fly. Mhm. >> Well, um I mean that's a generic question because finding the person with most uh descendencies, you would actually need to calculate uh descendants from all profiles to see which one has the most. So >> I don't think that's something uh worth that is worth doing. I of course that could be optimized a lot such an algorithm but uh still um it would be quite complex. So >> you would only need to do it for every profile without ancestors. >> Uh no for every profile with ancestors. Oh yeah without dependence. Okay, but we have millions of we can I think we have a uh keyword for that. So, uh let's search for missing parents. No, but it is something like that. >> It's close. >> No parents. Is it just no parents? >> Maybe. I don't know. I'm searching for it now. >> No father >> relation. No, that's different. Something else. It is something parent because that's what we have on the w on the wiki tree challenge space page for >> no parent, right? >> No parents. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, you see it each month on the kickoff. We talked about >> very a little something has sunk in. >> It only takes me how many years. >> So, we have uh 13 million such profiles. So, it's >> okay. It's just one quarter of profiles, but still a lot. >> That's still a lot. Yeah. Yeah. M >> and you know well I don't know how how you would program it allesh but what I would do is I I would probably start I would I was thinking the same as you like every profile would have a field that says number of descendants and then you go and then when you're at the top you just have to add some the number of descendants for each of your offspring your immediate offspring and then you'd have the final total. So you know after all those calculations then calculating the number of descendants of Brian Boru is just a matter of summing the number of his you know all his children up. So that's a simple you know >> yes but we have >> but that but that calculation like that just that's >> we have we have profiles with millions of descendants and >> those would need to be summarized and it's uh >> kind of hard to do on the fly. I mean it could be algorithm for it could be written and it could be optimized quite a lot but the question is do we really need that >> because probably there is one person which most likely we already identified >> um that has the most ancestors. M well what about like so there are so Brian Boru is obviously identified as one who has lots already right and you know people talk about Charlemagne and Genghaskhan and you know there's some key people in history where you know the mythology out there is that you know lots of the world half the world is descended from them. Um, what about, you know, picking some of those sort of high-profile people and just and figuring out th those stats? Is that something that could be done offline, you know, >> because it wouldn't change much after, >> right? >> Yeah. After you would get the number, it would stay uh constant. >> The numbers will change, but the individuals will stay the same. >> Yeah. Most likely. And >> they'll all be very early individuals. So you probably could say it, let's only look at people before 1500 or before that. >> This is from uh Brian M Kenetic. And uh we have here what in 18 generations not that 12,000? No, this is not this is the example you showed. >> Yeah. And it has only 1,200 uh 12,000 descendants. That's not really a lot. >> But don't you have to click that show all? >> Uh no after 10. >> Uh yeah, but I think that's just for the table. Well, I can try if it will see more. >> I know from when we discussed this before, it's in the millions, I think, if you let it run. >> Mhm. I think it took something like four minutes to run, I think. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> So, yeah. >> So, in 26 generations, we came to uh 15 140 on that one. And so, 400,000. >> And what year range are we talking there? We're still only in 1500. >> Still at uh Yeah. 1500 30 something generations to get to the present. >> Yes. But the real amount of profiles is in 178 1900 thousand 19. >> So that's where it'll really explode. Right. >> Yeah. >> That's also the reason I stop because otherwise it just hangs there. >> Right. I can try it again because now some data is cached and it might might do more but uh not much >> no the same >> interestant >> I can run offline the full descendant list but uh >> it will still uh be um too slow. >> Mhm. >> And there are no uh son. But we have ancestors here. We I mean even starting with his ancestors. >> Yeah. He has another 30 generations of ancestors. >> So Oh, a lot of them. back to the year zero is all there almost >> and even more >> over here. Wow. So if we start with this one uh copy v3 ID and so we are at 11,000 in 40 generations and we are in 11 to500. So, >> wow. >> Here >> that's wild. Look at that. 400 years different span between like the fourth generation from the >> but that's due to errors I'm certain. >> Oh, it's Oh, it's not the difference between a pure male line and a the >> um could be a diff I mean there is a distance some distance between generations but not that much. M >> um uh because uh I mean it could be correct but from what I was uh looking uh I I I did uh research a few of such trees and uh there are gaps in the trees or jumps 300 years forward or backward and so on. So um those are all noted in suggestions that this person can't be a father of this person but uh >> when they're born 300 years later yeah they are not corrected. So >> um that's the reason for a huge difference. >> Oh okay. >> There's not enough pre500 qualified people to correct them all. >> Yeah. We can try descendants for this person. But I have to enter this in a general search. Uh this will find um descendants from this person as a search result. So we will get uh them in a table. So we what it was 130,000 descendants >> was found and we can now uh check the suggestions for them. Ah, interesting. For >> Oh, look at that. Queen Elizabeth was the first Elizabeth the first was the first suggestion >> even it wasn't even uh so only 100,000 were analyzed >> and 50,000 suggestions were found and we are interested >> father's too old. So yeah, so these four are definitely >> uh screwing up the table. >> Yeah. >> Uh uhhuh. Okay. Uh oh. Okay. This is just No, this is not really the problem the problematic suggestions. It should be uh >> there's one down there. 205. >> Father too old or father too young. Usually too old is the >> really problematic one. >> Mother was dead before birth. 250 profiles. >> So these are the So this one was uh we have 150 years gap here between father and child. >> Oh look at that. Ah >> so these are the reasons for such a wide spread of uh ears. Yeah. >> Oh, look at that. 1604 to 1900. >> We have even a private profile here. >> Okay. >> Jumped out. So, this is the problem for such a widespread. So if you're doing that for your own uh family for 10 20 10 15 generations back uh you should first clear the date errors if you want that uh column to be correct >> that makes sense too. Yeah. >> So I don't think I will create a report for all of them. Um I I mean if there is really an interest I could uh do it for a few selected profiles to calculate and monitor the all descendants but >> I don't really uh >> want to I mean I don't see real point in having that number. It will be big and >> it will grow a bit each month each week but uh >> I think of importance here I think >> I mean >> it was a good idea though Patty for for marketing I mean for >> okay >> but I can just I mean that's that's something we could do you know just like >> yeah it might be kind of fun to >> like for St. Patty's Day. Um yeah, >> you know, do if we calculated it the for you know, King Brian Boru or on St. Patty's Day, that would be an interesting stat and topical. >> Um >> I don't think we have a Genghaskhan Day or a William the Conqueror Day or whatever. >> I don't think Jesus Khan has a lot of descendants on Wiki Tree. >> Is it? >> No. >> But isn't he one of the ones that they talk? But maybe a right wiki tree doesn't have necessarily his branches. Um, >> it's mythology, Greg. But it's it's mathematics. >> Anybody who was alive a thousand years ago and has any descendants alive today has millions, if not billions of descendants alive. >> That's right. Yeah. Yeah. >> Either they die out or they keep increasing. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh, >> so what is Genghaskhan's profile? Is that Oh, yeah. There's only 17 profiles connected within seven degrees. >> It's unc Huh? >> So, am I am I wrong? Is he not one of the >> Yeah, he's he's unconnected. >> He's unconnected. Okay. >> Okay. So, >> yeah. >> Charlemagne, I think, is there with a huge number of descendants, >> right? Charlemagne. That's Well, am I wrong in in in thinking that Genghask Kong is rumored to have lots of descendants? >> Yeah, there. No, that's right. >> It is. Okay. I didn't misremember it. It's just that it's not the part of the world where Wiki Tree is big and strong and has a huge presence, >> which would be nice to change if anyone's listening. >> Um, >> yeah, there's actually a post out for can you help improve uh or get him connected to the tree, >> you know, back from 2022. stuff. >> So, we could actually with no parents we got uh 13 million but we could remove the uh unconnected because unconnected profiles surely want to make it make an impressive number, right? >> Yeah. >> But uh so it's 10 million to check. Oh, >> 1500 that will get it down a lot more. >> Mhm. >> Oh, I don't think it will. Uhhuh. Pre-15. You mean just >> Yeah. Pre 1500. Yeah. >> But I have to put it in front of not >> like this. So we are at uh 40,000 profiles h well that's >> and even pre 15 is too I think the winner will most certainly be from first century so >> yeah um >> the winner for sure Yes. Did I click it? I think you did. I don't see anything though. >> It's happening. Observers are busy. Okay, it's 10,000 then. As sure, you you gave me the wiki tree ID, I guess, for this one. >> Yeah, that's 12 descendants. So, not really in the top list. >> That's Genghaskhan. >> Yeah, I I was just sharing Genghaskhan and Charlemagne's IDs if anybody was curious about them. Whoa. >> Yeah, but it's unconnected as you can see here on the >> console. >> This is >> so get to work people. >> And the other one. >> 17. Oh, >> where where are even records back that far? >> Wow. >> Okay, this one has a few more. Yeah, >> this is Charles Carolingian Carolian. >> Carolingian >> and it has ancestors. >> Oh, surely they >> are there the >> He does have ancestors apparently. Yeah, >> actually we can check ancestors here. So >> we have 14. >> How come they all have AD as their initials? >> Yeah. Ancestors and descendants. >> Yes, of course. I know. I just had to think about it. I thought, you know, lots of families have a very strict naming pattern that they always follow. >> But that's this is Wikry Plus naming pattern. >> It's not the same. Yeah. And this icon are for maps and so on, >> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. Further on it. >> Yeah, it is very cool how you how with the consistent icons you can pack so much in such little space. I do love that. >> Okay, just one descendant. Oh yeah, sure. That's the last one. End of the line, >> right? Yes. >> Yes. >> Actually, we should check ancestors. That's bit more. 31. There we go. Oh. So these are the ancestors of that Italian princess Bertha, right? >> Obviously. >> Specifically. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> It's mostly France and German, but >> yeah. >> Okay. The location matching in that in those at those dates is not really correct. >> Oh, okay. Next question. >> Okay. Okay. Uh, so Patty did have a question if um, and maybe you've already answered this. His qu his his last question in August was more about suggestions than we Well, I guess that's part of Wikry Plus. So that's >> it was a suggestion about suggestions. >> Suggestion about suggestions. It was very very meta. Yes, it was about uh, he had an unclean profile after merge suggestion which really should have been unclean profile after auto bio. and he was wondering if the suggestion should have been expanded to unclean profile after emerge or autobio. And he suggested that it was it'd be easy to tell if it if the what was happened was after an autobio because you'd have two copies of biography and two copies of sources. >> No, but the other the second copy is within the comment. >> Okay. So you don't get a new suggestion. No, it it's it's all on the same. It's all in the bio. >> Yes, but it's uh commented out by wiki comment. >> Yes, but it should still >> So, you'll see it only in edit mode, I think. >> Oh, the second copy of the bio sources. >> Mhm. Actually, the original bio I think is in commented out. It's not instantly deleted. Right. >> It is suggested that you delete it after validating, but >> um as far as I know. Okay. K is missing. But um >> Mhm. >> I think um that's the intent of it. >> You want to do one, Greg? Show it. >> You want me to You want me to do one? >> Yeah, go for it. >> He's got a profile ID there for you on the question. >> Oh, he does. The question is, did I clean that up myself or did I leave it there as an example? >> Uh, well, let's go to Keen and let's just see how keen you were. >> Uh, okay. It doesn't look like there's two things, but if we go into edit mode, >> let's have a look. See, there is biography sources. >> But if you run, >> if you run it, go ahead and run auto bio so we can see what it looks like when you do that. Uh, where's >> it's under biography. There we go. >> Autobio. >> Oh, there we go. >> And uh, >> so it tells you it it tells you to >> But it's not commented out. >> Yeah, >> there's a comment for the duplicate. >> Ah, there's the comment you were talking about. >> Mhm. >> Uhhuh. I thought it was for the >> You thought it would You thought this would go to the end. >> Yeah. >> So, if you just save it stays in, but Okay. >> Well, and and before you save, there is a reminder. There it is. >> Don't forget to delete the old bio. >> But I'm going to save it anyways and just say uh uh ask Allesh demo will change back honest. Now, let's see what it looks like. Biography sources. Biography sources. Yeah, that's ugly. Okay. So, if I if I understand what you're suggesting, Patty, is that the next time that suggestions gets run, this should generate a suggestion that says specifically something about auto bio. >> Yes. >> For this from the suggestion. So if I click suggestion now these suggestions get run once a week, right? >> Mhm. >> So it's not going to pop up right away. >> Well, for the uh unmmerge unclaned profile after merge merge, I check only if there are two uh sources headings. So that's the condition I use. So >> um >> I avoided biography because uh that's not completely true in case of multilingual biographies but sources is usually >> sources definitely in the only right >> no they can translate sources into German and so but that's rare >> but wouldn't there would still only be one sources section wouldn't there? M yeah most likely >> like >> no actually it would be missed uh if um if sources would be merged with the German version of sources then it wouldn't report it as an error but um it's okay I don't think those there's many such profiles so >> yeah it's it's totally acceptable to have multiple biographies if they're different language biographies >> um and I really like that when we have those multilingual profiles. I think that's very cool. >> Um, have we had >> Can you can you go and check uh this profile with biocheck now after you made the >> Ah, good qu good point. Okay, let's move this window >> because we now have uh all the bio uh bioche uh validations also on wik3 plus, >> right? Okay. Uh, so the quickest way to do that would be to go to can can I get bio >> copy copy wik tree ID and Uhhuh. Okay. >> I was going to say is there a direct link from here to biocheck >> from here? No, but you can go to wik tree plus find this profile and go to bioche. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Plus w tree. Okay. not suggestions but the second uh search >> lubana switch to here >> and analyze results in bioche client log >> y that's how I come to bioche >> you always go through there yeah there we go >> okay uh sourced six lines between sources and references multiple biographies multiple sources heading biography heading biography heading before. >> Okay. But even uh biotech doesn't recognize this as autobio. >> No, it doesn't >> problem. Well, we'll have to ask Kate to resolve that. >> Mhm. Um if she I mean if she would recognize such profiles uh then because now those are available all bio checks are available on wik3 plus >> and uh I will be possible to make suggestion based of on those and so on but >> um I don't think there is an explicit >> right >> uh keyword for this case Right. So if K can determine that a profile has both the multiple bio and the multiple sources. >> No actually I think that text in between uh giving instruction to do after um what to do after merch should be the key >> after the auto bio. Sorry >> check the comment where wiki tree plus can't. Is that it? per week. I can see the comment but uh uh I don't uh I don't base suggestions on comments because that's something that people live in for in for uh edit mode to see if you are editing a profile something and it's pointless to check for those error those are not visible on the profile. So I decided to complete the bioche >> when K in K's bioche app she go she could she could look for this >> right? >> Yeah I mean me too because I'm now running bioche on on all profiles each week. So this could be an easy check just to find this >> uh autobio text in a comment and uh report for that. Um okay what do I >> you will have to I mean this is not what we want to find. I mean, um, I would need because if you go back to the Victory Plus, >> uh, okay. >> Yeah. And click the help icon in text search. >> Okay. >> And scroll down to the bioche section a few pages. This one. >> There we go. >> So, these are all the uh bioche errors that are reported for wikry plus. Mhm. >> So we can add another one that has auto bio duplicate or something like that. >> Right. Right. Excellent. >> Okay. Well, K will be happy we've just made work for her. >> If K will watch this, she can do it. Otherwise, you'll have to ask her to. >> Am I correct? Okay. >> Am I correct in saying that when you complete a merge, you don't end up with two sources headings because >> no process picks up the two bios and sticks them under one bio heading and picks up the two sources. >> Oh, really? >> Uhhuh. That that's no longer the case. Really? Uhhuh. It's possible because the merge was uh improved over the years, but we have plenty of old unclean profiles. >> Well, what I'm going to say uh I'm going to change the sources here and I pause it that we're going and actually I'll put I'll make those say new >> and then just do preview and you'll see. >> Oh, right. All right. I don't even have to save it again. >> But you're not you're not doing a merge. You're doing an auto bio. >> Well, this this was what this is the tech. I didn't change the text after the auto buy at all. But I think that when you do the preview, you will only see one set of >> No, you will see both >> because you have it. They're completely separate. >> If one was before the other. >> No, P was talking about the merch. I think merge process now cleans up by both biographies and sticks sources together. I think in the for the in the last few years. >> Okay, well that's good. >> I don't do many merges. >> But the autobio doesn't. >> Oh, the merge cleans up the sources into one, but the autobio does not. Yeah, Greg, if that biography was above that other sources >> with that ref tag, >> then you'd have, >> you know what I mean? It's because the placement, right? >> Yeah. But such profile if it's not cleaned after autobio would uh raise several uh suggestions. So >> no I know I think he was just testing the >> it will be included in the suggestion report. I >> I think he was just testing about what would show up in the sources based on >> because I thought for sure that I had a scenario like it's been a while. I was working on it showing it separately. Look, it is showing it separately and old >> but I had I had I was working on a profile once and I can't remember the exact specifics but I thought there was two sources section and I could not find the other set of sources. I thought why are they not showing up? Um, >> oh, it might have been. >> The key is the references line and since you have two, the references line uh shows only the sources from previous uh from previous references line, let's say. >> Oh, okay. >> It's because they're not in line. It's because they're those ones aren't in line. Those ones you put the new and the old. >> Yes, >> you put new and old on James Franc. The inline citation there. >> The biography. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. That's what There we go. >> That's what you're trying to test. >> That's what I'm trying to test. Okay. >> So, that's the >> Let's go new in objecting that there were two refs with the same name. >> I'm most likely it does. Uh go to suggestions for this profile. >> Okay. >> Old email. >> Okay. Now check. >> And now check to see. But you're right. There's the same name, too. So that's going to be interesting. >> So many things wrong with you. Don't clean up your >> I hope you know how to get that. >> Look at that. There's no old inline doesn't show up. >> Yeah. But now because it's named the same biography. But now take the old biography and put it below the first sources header. >> Okay. >> Like you had it before. >> Like I had it before. Okay. >> Yeah. So take that second one. >> Grab that. >> Okay. Wow. What a rabbit hole, Patty. >> Now check. Now I'll do a preview. >> Yeah, but what why are you doing all of that? All you got to >> We're just checking. We're just checking. It still says >> yes because you didn't rename the inline citation. Both are death one. >> Just do delete old bio. >> Exactly. >> I know, but we're just checking. >> We're playing. >> Just curious. >> Oh, see. >> Look at this. New inline for the first one and then new inline and old inline. >> We're just seeing how it works. >> Yeah. >> Functionality. How that how that all works. We're We're just We're making additional Warren underneath the rabbit hole. >> Yeah, you are. >> Curious. >> It's too early. >> You need your tartis of coffee there, Denise. >> Yes, I do. >> Only I don't do coffee. >> How did you turn Wifred M Casey into Wifred MK Casey? MK Casey. >> How did that happen? That's two more that >> that second biography is what was there originally. >> Really funny. >> So it was it was incorrect in the original one. >> Oh. >> So when you did the auto bio, it cleaned that up. And so that second one that you guys are playing around with Yes. >> is the one that was messed up to begin with. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we should leave the top part, you're saying? >> Yes. >> And so, delete all the bio. >> Yeah. When you delete the old bio, it's going to take away all that other stuff that was down there at the bottom. It takes away the second one. >> Okay. >> And then everything is correct. >> You were never here. No, don't do that. >> The ask group. We're not here. >> Okay. >> No, >> that's funny. >> You still need to do delete old bio or undo old bio before you get that message. >> See, I've got the regular bio. Casey just once. James died. And there's the sources. >> Okay. And and still click still click your delete old bio button. >> Yeah. So I get rid of the >> up at the top. See that little button up at the top? >> Oh, delete all bio. >> Yes. >> Yay. >> But I did delete the old bio. That was not really necessary because >> you don't need to do it automatically if you've done it manually. >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But anyways, okay. I'm saving it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Now check change history. >> Uh ask demo. We'll change back on all fix. Nothing to see here. >> Okay. >> Okay. Go to edit the biography so we can see what we changed. >> Oh. >> Mhm. Okay. I think we're okay. I think. Are we okay? >> I think we're okay here. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And previous was the other way around. >> Okay. So, let's go back to James. >> Next rabbit hole. >> Next rabbit hole. September. Let's get to September. Uh Pamela. Pamela, if you've been watching and thinking, why is it taking 44 minutes to get to my question? I apologize. You can blame me. I'm the king of rabbit holes. So, I have problem with errors that have been corrected but are continuing to show up as suggestions. Uh, and then she has a good suggestion. I have glass build as my example. Uh, find a grave different date. Researching this person, I determined the birth date on wiki tree was correct. And so on fandrave I suggested an edit to the profile of the manager correct the date on findrave. And then I edited and changed the status of the air to correct it. However, it still shows up. I suggest I searched on Wik Plus and I still see that it shows the original incorrect birth date from find a grave. Can you please explain why this is? So, >> okay. So, >> so do you want to take over the screen from here? >> I did. >> You did? Okay. Then I will stop my screen sharing. Um so uh this is the suggestion in question. >> Mhm. >> And as we can see here um so these are the dates from Wikitry >> and these are dates from find the grave. So it's still and uh now if you check this find the grave site it's probably corrected. So 1950 uh >> which is the same as wik. >> Yes. And this is 51. So here it's obvious that um my data for find the grave uh is not updated. Now um this falls into the updating section of find the grave, >> right? >> So I we have 10 12 million links to uh find the grave. So it's impossible to check all of them each week or even each year. M >> um so I'm using um a few uh ways to determine that uh the profile needs updating. So I I I am updating the oldest the the ones that were not updated for the longest time and then I'm also updating some where the um child rel the profile relation on uh doesn't match with the other uh find the grave uh pro memorials. Uh so I here these 200 memorials are not are needing update at the moment. So I am I will run this later today. Um and I do uh so a few years ago, two or three years ago, uh I made the updates uh uh I update request bas based on their site map. Uh but um in uh but they stopped updating the site map in let me check. Uh so let's go here. >> Whoa. >> Uh look at that. >> So these are uh in the grave memorials and as we can see they stopped updating it in July. So in June. So since June I don't have any updates uh of find a grave site unfortunately. Um this happened a few times before but then after a few months they uh resumed the operation. So um I'm waiting that they will at the moment we don't have uh changes from find the grave available to us and site maps those are that's something that is made for um search engines to know what to check which pages to check on the site and it seems that the process that should create that fails and no changes are recorded there. It's bad for them and uh search engines, but it's also bad for us because I don't know what to update with this uh operational uh update on find a grave was seen was visible on suggestions within a month or two. Usually it took two months but now it's not working for four months already and I don't know where when it will start to work. I'm sure when it will we will catch up. I had before this was available I had some other methods to um uh validate profiles more reg with suggestions more regularly. But um after this was available I stopped that maybe I should res uh start doing that because the profess with with suggestions they were like in this case correct it on find the grave. So it would be uh good to know that as soon as possible, >> right? >> Updated, undated all the updated missing. Yeah, I even removed for it from the menu, but I'm sure I still have a code somewhere to check for those, >> right? >> Yeah, maybe I should reactivate that. >> Mhm. So, basically, they're not giving you the list of the updates. >> Yeah, it's it's failing for them. it they're showing still >> uh like no changes on find the grave for last four months. >> Mhm. >> And any other method is problematic because they have 350 million memorials and >> um it's just impossible to scan all or whatever >> all of them all the time. Yeah, >> I will uh I will look into reintroducing the old update method which was a bit better than we what we have now >> since this is not working >> right. Okay, thanks Alash. So in the short term just marking it as correct is what all we can do but then once >> uh well actually uh this as I remember marking making a comment on a suggestion prioritize those so they were checked as soon as possible. >> Okay. >> So like if you would click correct it I would check it next week. >> Excellent. Okay. uh because it's it is possible that also find the grave was corrected. Okay, good. Uh let me refresh that page and there are no more questions on the GGD post. Um, did any I don't see any questions in the Zoom chat live, but do does anyone here um want to ask a question that we haven't answered or find a rabbit hole we haven't yet gone down? >> I just found an approved merge and confirmed that there's only one sources section, one biography section, but two research notes sections and the merged biography. >> Oh, that's interesting. Sounds good. Oh, something I wanted to mention is that if somebody has a question, they could also ask on the space page for Ascalles in between cuz sometimes a G2G post for Ask doesn't go up until a few days before. So, that's another place somebody >> could ask a question if they have one come up. >> Oh, Pam is with us. Oh, excellent. Fantastic. >> Okay. I was wondering since Allesia is on the first Friday and October I mean the source is on the first o in October right this will not be on right >> Friday is 2nd October so >> oh >> but it's Friday it's a long weekend >> yeah source is the 2nd through the 5th >> so okay then it will be 9th >> okay >> I think that's >> October 9th work for you Greg in the lift >> well I mean it could be during during the source. It doesn't have to >> be rescheduled just because >> just think of all the will not be sourced due to escalation. Come on, we can do this. >> I know. I know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying it's not like, you know, we don't have a role in place. >> What could possibly go wrong? Uh >> there are weekly Zooms for October Fest in October anyway. >> Yeah. >> Yes, that's true. >> But those are usually on Thursdays, right? >> They have Yeah. And I have to confirm with you that um I think I'm free. Uh yeah, it doesn't look like I've got anything else scheduled for that Friday the 9th. So yeah, we can move Asklesh to Friday the 9th of October. >> Okay. Well, we can check the uh my flowchart of things to do on wik3 plus. >> There we go. There's lots of rabbits there. >> Okay. Yes. Okay. So, October, we're locked and loaded. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Good. And >> so, here is how I see if something doesn't work uh on the week database. I'm processing. H. >> Oh, it's just threats. >> Wow. >> Templates big. >> Yeah, the report for big template it didn't uh finish. So, let's put them to the queue again. And it's being processed. Now, it's blue and green when it's done. But it takes 350 minutes to do it. >> Wow. >> That is so cool how you've got it arranged that from a flow a simple flowchart you can just start and stop. >> It's very easy. I just start the dump and first is I download the profiles, marriages, links and so on. And then after they are downloaded they are imported. Then some things are exported for other tools and so on. >> And then here FTC are indexes being built for the searching on wik3 plus. So it's a lot of them >> and it is very cool. uh >> then and then after the all the indexes are built this is kind of first phase of the uh data processing then I start the suggestions calculation suggestion calculations so this is usually uh Sunday night or Monday morning for me um so after 30 24 hours of for up until here it takes 24 hours to complete. Then all these are uh suggestion calculations and then uh when that that's done uh also report creations all the reports that you can see each week and here in at this point I uh publish on uh G2G emails and everything switch the data in the uh on the uh web page and so here is actual act actual release of the suggestions and then after the release I repair all the uh suggestions by uh location and uh unconnect unconnected reports uns unsourced reports some statistics and update find the grave site and a few more things. So these are done after the uh uh after the u release of the suggestions. >> Mhm. >> Now do you have a schedule for your data doctor challenges or do you just uh >> uh well AI organizes that? Um we have a group of um we have a group of 10 challenges approximately >> that we are cycling at the moment. So this is um these are all the uh challenges. Um, okay. So, here, um, >> so you're not just making those up willy-nilly. A spelling. >> No. Yeah, kind of something like that. So we have here from so missing location was the first instance of uh >> challenge this week uh >> and before uh this 10 or 11 now 11 challenges cycle >> uh each week sometimes we swap to if it happens I mean >> right >> usually unintentionals then gender is used just for the uh uh woman uh just once a year I think um >> uh or twice once for a male once for females I think something like that so this is kind of the set of um repeatable challenges then we have connect ones >> and source they came as needed >> how many um unsourced profiles are there currently going into the source >> it all uh it all depends Uh if you are asking by uh uh category or bioche bioche says more >> does it >> right? Yeah, I think it does. Uh, let's see. >> I was just curious and then I was curious about how >> Mhm. >> the percentage of unsourced over the years. Has it gradually been going down overall? >> But it was uh until now it was really not complete picture because only the profiles that got the category were >> counted. But now with uh 4 million 4 million unsourced profiles, this is a great number to track uh over time. >> Mhm. Yeah, it'll be nice. >> Mhm. >> Out of how many sort profiles altogether? >> We have 40 million 46 I don't know something like that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Oh, actually I know how many. >> So it is less than 10%. Yeah. >> 46,184,000. >> Yes. But but but the ones with private biography are excluded from this check. So >> Oh, right. >> It's not really really that >> um actually the only place would be to check the statistics, >> right? >> And by uh unsourced profiles, I don't think I have the new one. No, I mean uh I just need the privacy something. This would be um so we have currently we have 42 million profiles that is uh excluding unlisted ones. So are unlisted or not not here >> seen here. So um and uh 300,000 uh I think 20 and 30 are private biography. So half a million uh of those uh are not even validated. So we are at 42 million profiles were just checked for u for the biography. >> Yep. Huh. >> And 4 million are unsourced. So 10% >> is a good estimate. >> Mhm. >> And it should go down over time. We hope. >> Yeah. Good. >> Okay. So only four billion to do for the source, right? >> Yeah. Just for me. >> We can do that. >> No problem. >> Oh, Asia, you are such a dreamer. We just need like 10 times more people to take part, right? >> No, I think we should go for a new record. Let's let's let's do 4 million this time. >> Let's do 4 million. >> And we can we can discontin the phone then. >> Yeah. There we go. >> You need to increase the amount of people taking part, right? Because we usually have about 600 to 700 people and we do about what 55,000. Sourceons. Yeah. >> Yeah. Cool. Uh, wow. It's 10:05 already. >> Oh my god. >> Um, so >> implies on your bed. >> It does. >> It does. Yeah. Um, any other things you want to share from your updates? >> Not really. I just What's new? >> Yeah. This section we did, I think this in August. Mhm. >> So we are from here on. >> Yeah. >> So bioche and sourced was already uh in included in the uh rank calculations uh content rank one and um the research status was also included into uh rank uh into the rank. >> Nice. So those two things are changed. Then I noticed that uh we don't it was not possible to search by this uh keywords on wikry plus. So I fixed that. So you can uh we can see all uh gold uh status profiles now. Um, >> oh, so we can see how many profiles have the different >> Mhm. >> So, research gold will get us 177 >> profiles with research gold status. >> Is that going to be a group by field? The research status. >> Well, there still is a group by, but if you that's the search keyword. Yeah, then really do much. >> If you did a search for your pro all of your profiles, then you could group by research status and see how many different >> ones. So, we can check Ljubljana. >> There we go. Easier for you to spell. >> I'd have to refresh the status. >> Nice. That's cool. >> You get the statuses. So I set it on six to silver, one unfinish, one one one finished, and one that I need to review. I think >> something was not okay with sources on this profile, so I just mark them like this. >> Very good. >> Nice. >> Very cool. >> Um, okay. What's new? >> Escales. N. Oh, >> you need to change the >> uh I removed the this suggestion because it was a copy of the 600 one. Um, and since 600 is now done for all profiles, there's no no longer a need to have it as profile completeness. So, >> right, >> I just removed those two suggestions and now we are working on surnames with Chris quite a bit. >> So, um, this is something that you will see as part of the changes. So these are uh this is a page where you will you see uh all imper imperfections on written profiles that needs to be done. So you have uh for the for this surname there are 190 unsourced unconnected unmerged profiles then with low content rank and with suggestions not all suggestions just errors. So >> that's awesome. >> Those are kind of um priority to correct >> also a part this will be also a part of uh the new um >> collaboration score. >> Collaboration score. Yeah. And here you get the start of the table. Uh and then you can if you are interested for unsourced you can continue to page through it. But just this page then and then just this part is shown. >> Wow. >> That's cool. >> Yeah, >> that is. >> So surname is a is a word you're checking against. I mean it's like a magic word or whatever you call. >> Yeah. I mean this is a surname. So now query. Oh, this is here actually is not uh uh this is uh this is a special page done just for this but otherwise um it is uh there is a new index surname equals and you can use the last name that uh finds only open profile with this last name as at birth. So because we excluded all not opened profiles from the all these reports and um uh only last name at birth is uh checked not the other last name other or last name could or current those are skipped >> and it has to be spelled exactly that right? Yeah. Well, not completely. O'Reilly has a few variations that come to the same uh >> page because we actually ignore uh all the separators. So, that's on >> I'm checking for one name studies. Is it checking the other variations when >> that's what I was asking about? Yeah, because I was thinking Douglas. >> So, Peasley >> could be a S or double S at the end. Yeah. >> Um not in concerning collaboration score it will be just uh last name. So these are the last name that are uh >> okay so that so for instance if you go to in to see one there so all the Dutch variations are represented like this one B. So um all the spacing spacing is completely ignored and also all special characters are ignored and >> um so these are just one and O'Reillies are the other group with a lot of >> so these are Odell O'Donnell >> yeah Odonald So this is the name that is used for all of those profiles. Uh >> look look at unknown and see what that looks like. >> Uh so this is the report for um for surname collaboration scor that will be >> yeah so unknown as the surname. There's a lot of them out there. >> Yeah. You can browse them by letter starting letter or you can actually use all of them and then sort by each column. So we can check the ones that have the best content rank average content rank. >> Okay. So you just make it unknown. Huh? >> When the when the page is the full page, it takes a while to change. >> Yeah. It has a whole page has to load its ID. Oh, it did already. >> Okay. >> Whoa. >> Yeah, there's a lot of surnames. >> Wow. >> Yeah, I think. Is there a number? No, it's not. >> No. Um >> what's the one name studies when you when you click on that >> that's rolling up those variations. >> No well one name study is done based on the categories and category info box. So uh multiple last name are joined into a single report. So for instance, AMS also includes these last names >> right. >> Um so here um the ones with one name study and properly defined they consolidate a few last names into a single uh value into a single report. >> Very good. We didn't completely decide how this will look but um the data is mostly uh the processing part of the data is done. So so >> where and how we will display this is still to be seen. >> And the second column there that you have I guess it's the third one the wiki tree plus errors. >> Yes. >> Do you want the number to be 100% or 0%. >> Uh 100. >> Okay. So it's actually errorree measuring and here you are going for unconnected and unsourced. >> Uh actually I don't know no sourced are sourced are uh well I don't know maybe it's the other way around. I really can't say >> well cuz I'm looking like a lot of the majority are have high numbers like I'm looking at the Douglas which was my >> Okay. So here I know the answer. So the there is one suggestion one error for this last name and that's 99.86 86%. >> Okay. >> And seven. >> Okay. So that's the number of suggestions in parentheses there. Okay. >> So number of profiles without uh so the percentages for the number of profiles without errors. >> Error free. So it's really more errorree than errors. Percentage of error. >> Okay. >> So you want 100%. Yes, >> you want you want you want 100% in all of those these columns. >> Okay. >> And this one would be the hardest because that would need to mean that all profiles are in rank ranking rank rank 10 >> to have 100% here. >> That would be hard. Yeah, >> that's >> I thought there was a limit of three variants for a one name study, but there's quite a few in that first column of one. >> Uh there is no limit, I think. It's just a comma delimited uh comma separated values, I think, and you can write as many of them as you want. >> Yeah, this the project has a limit. Huh? Okay. Project maybe >> is allowed for because there's only so many that can be allowed for redirects >> that that that's part of that. >> Okay. >> Um >> but I think this this information is taken from the category page and there in category information you can just uh stack them as many as you wish. >> Good to know. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So I can roll up my peas and paisley's together. Okay. >> And paisley's. >> Very cool. >> Yeah. >> So this is something that will come in the >> may within a month. I'm not sure but >> it's getting uh close. Yeah, there was a lot of excitement when the surname I gave a presentation about it to the surname society and a lot of excitement about it. >> Fantastic. >> I mean Chris is already preparing the reports and page and I finished up all the links to wik3 plus so that the parts that are covered by wik3 plus will be accessible directly from there from the page. So this is already uh up synchronized or um it's it were it's working basically. Um uh uh this is about this new surname index that I mentioned where O'Brien is found uh regardless of the apostro after the O letter O. So that's uh because I I implemented surname index for uh surname collaboration score and why don't you can all use it. >> Why not use it? Yeah, perfect. >> And the same is done on suggestions. So you can also for on suggest suggestions you can also use the surname index. Um and I added and another index that I added was rank. This is this does not use the magic words but it works just like this like rank equals one. So if you go to plus >> um you search for rank equals one and you will get all rank one profiles >> where rank 10 is the best and rank one is the worst >> in this case that's the so that's uh >> three million of them >> oh my So here we don't have until now we used it something like this should be done but now I decided that maybe this will be better >> right >> or I will maybe make both possibilities. >> Mhm. >> Um okay that's this news and we will have zoom meeting today. We have it. Excellent. >> What do you do? >> Hooray. Fantastic. Great. Well, I think the the Zoom I I really like the interactivity of the Zoom. I think this is works out uh better for us for the Ask Allesh. >> And correct me if I'm wrong because now I've got, you know, I have a big large screen monitor right next to me. So, I can see I've always been able to see Allesa's screen pretty well. But uh for you folks who are normally just watching on YouTube, is it is it clear for you? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Giving a thumbs up. Denise is nodding her head. >> Looks good. >> Although in on YouTube it was also quite good, but you had to maximize the videos window. But then you didn't see the mass the chat. Yeah. >> Right now. If you can see his if you can see his little his uh flowchart there. >> If you can see this then your vision is perfect because I can't. >> Okay, now here I can see it. >> Yeah, that's better. Yeah, >> that's good. Excellent. Well, thank you very much. Um and thank you Azure for joining us as and uh enabling all of this. Um we couldn't do We couldn't do almost well I wouldn't say we can't do anything on week three without you but we couldn't do a much a a great deal of stuff without you Azure. So thank you so much for everything >> and everyone who's joined us and asked questions and put up with us as we dived in and out of the various rabbit holes. Thank you for that. >> That's my brother walking behind your brother. He's al co-author of the software that we use. >> Hello, Alish. Alles's brother. >> Hello. Hello. >> What's his name? Allesh. >> Jiannis. >> Jiannis. And is he younger or older? >> Uh he's four years older. >> Ah. >> And now his son, my nephew, is also uh working in our company. So >> in the future he will run Wik 3 Plus once I >> decided to retire. >> Okay. Well, hopefully that won't be for many years still. >> Yeah. Excellent. Well, that's great. Very cool little dive into the family. Um so, uh our next Ask will be October the 9th. So, not the first Friday, but the second Friday because the first Friday we'll all be doing sourceing and we'll be trying to get rid of those 4 million unsourced profiles. >> Registration is now open. >> Yeah, challenge put down. But before then, there's a few other things that'll be happening. So, um, the Wikked Tree Challenge for this month, hope you might be interested because our Wikked Tree Challenge guest is Justin York who was the very first Wiki Tree app developer. So, come and help him out uh expand his tree. Um, and yes, do sign up for the source thunk because that GG post is already up, right? >> Yes, it is. >> Yes. Yes, it is. >> Into the top of GTG. >> Okay, fantastic. Uh and of course as always there's the genealogy collaboration hour which happens sun uh Saturday afternoons um 5:00 pm Eastern time. Uh tech talk Tuesday tech talk Monday will be the last Monday of September followed immediately by the month of Htoberfest which happens the eve of the source I believe. I think our um well October 1st happened the year before >> and we are going to do have u weekly >> uh chats on Thursday and um I have to confirm but I think uh 1:00 on Thursdays is that is that the time we had last time? >> I think so. Yeah. >> Yeah. 1:00 works great because my grandson is in bed by then or at least he has been. Hopefully he still naps for us. Um so yeah. So, Thursdays at 1:00 uh you'll be uh join us for those. And um yeah, uh any anything else upcoming Azure or Alashsh that I should we should promote? >> I I think Aen and I are going to be doing a source howto. >> Excellent. >> Uh YouTube video. Uh don't have the date yet, but we did it for the connectathon. We're going to do it again for the source. So, >> that's excellent. That's a great great >> And also Greg remember tomorrow f is your Saturday roundup. >> Oh well of course. Yes that's right. The regular round up. Yes. >> Yes. If you haven't had enough of me yet. Fantastic. Thanks again everyone and uh have a great day. Bye >> bye >> bye.