Arts in Public Places Commission - September 17, 2026

And says it's six. I'm gonna call the >> I'm calling two two out of three. >> So um at six >> six p.m. So do roll call. Bruce Baxter >> here. Bra >> here. Jaggers >> here. Michelle Jones >> here. Lacy I'm here. Uh Randy Long, please. >> Uh Jennifer Miller here, >> Jenny Rosalino, >> Scott Tilligan >> here. >> And Iris, that's correct. And then Eric Mason and Jen from Mississippi and Rick's over there. And I know that's >> creepy. Thank you. >> So, are there any corrections to the minutes from audio? >> Is Sean on his way? Sean >> Sean is on his way. Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. So, minute corrections. Anybody can get a motion to approve the minutes. >> I motion to approve the minutes from August. >> Is there a second? >> A second. >> Thank you. >> So, Michelle made the motion. Teresa is a second. >> Um, additions have to vote. Oh, sorry. >> It's okay. >> And there is Randy at 602. >> Um, so all in favor of approving the minutes and then do we want >> There's Randy. >> Okay. >> And she's in. >> Yep. >> Any opposed? That passes unanimous. Thank you. uh additional corrections uh to the agenda. We're going to add a new business item as number 11 and move the other stuff down. The new business item is just a discussion of the museum roundabout sculpture. So >> that's on the amended, not on the Okay. And let's see. So public invited to be heard, I guess, is where we are. You're you're an agenda item >> unless you want to be public invited to be heard first. >> Don't make the rules. >> Yep. >> Okay. So then number six. >> Number six >> is thank you Brett. >> Thank you. Thank you all. >> And somewhere somewhere >> card. Yeah. >> You can come up and it doesn't >> Yeah. >> Do you have anything to say? >> Where are you going? What are you doing? >> Um cuz you know it's volunteer appreciation day. >> I appreciate you guys. >> It's been awesome working with you. I wanted to say a proper goodbye or see you later. Yeah. So, yeah, that's all I got for you. >> Yeah. >> BR said something that meant a lot to me. She said that this is the only job that she's been sad to leave. >> So, yeah. >> Thank you, Brit, for everything. >> It's true though, guys. I cried. I'm not going to lie. So, >> yeah. But like I said in my email too, Britt is an accomplished artist and so Brit did some work in Fort Collins >> which was awesome and did a piano. So >> we'll see applications right there. We're going to be looking for him. >> Yes. >> And also serves on the creative district board. >> I will. So there will be a lot of overall. >> All right. We'll see you there. >> I'll be around. You guys can't get rid of me that easily. >> Yes. >> No, I just wanted to say thank you. >> It's been awesome to see you guys. >> Thank you. >> All right. And there's a b and there is a basket. >> You're very sweet. Thank you all. >> Right. >> Okay. So, uh the next item is the first and main transit station. Janet, who's the assistant city manager, is going to tell us about it. >> I am. I'm just going to come and see if I can't get the I'll do it. Randy, can you hear us okay before I can't see you so much? >> Thank you for keeping track of me. >> I would not be the best view. >> No. Here you go. you you as long as you're >> there. Yep. >> And then we just want to make sure that >> we're sharing so that >> Oh, yeah. See this? I can't be Justin. >> There we go. >> Will you advance one just to make sure that Randy can see it? >> I can see it. >> If we go one more to ahead, will you Will you see it change? I've had this problem like twice. It's down here. There we go. And did you see a change? >> Yep. Okay. >> Amazing. >> I'm just going to take this really good. Yeah. >> And if you guys are okay, I'll come back to my seat if that's all right. Presentation. Um I haven't met all of you. I'm Jen Uten. I'm one of the assistant city managers here for external services. So um work closely with Angela and and with Eric and others. So, um, it's great to be here and I think it's my first time getting to be here. I did meet a few of you in the hall, I think, before a meeting one time. So, nice to be here. Um, wanted to talk a little bit about Let's see if I can make this move up. Go get that. Perfect. Uh, to talk a little bit about the first and main transit center that we've been working on. that you probably have heard about it or if not um I'm glad to be able to answer any questions related to the project overall. So the project itself is um a public private partnership that we have been working on with um there's a a whole transit oriented development program that we're working on related to this area that's um south of 1 Avenue and north of Boston and um both on the the east and west sides of Maine. Um, and this this building that we're working on, this is the latest rendering that we have of the transit center. It's a fivestory building that has about 700 parking stalls in it and will serve RTD. Some of the dollars for this project came from RTD. So, $16.4 million came from RTD and the FastTracks dollars for this effort. And it will really serve bus rapid transit primarily which will start in 2028. And it also is being built so 200 parking stalls would serve the RTD itself. And the remainder of those stalls is going to serve other purposes. So there's a mixeduse building that will wrap around the garage that will front onto Main Street and will front on to First Avenue. And I think I've got a picture of that here in a second. So I'll be able to share a little bit more about that. Uh and then there uh also this road that you're looking at is Kaufman. So this part of Kaufman doesn't yet exist. So it's actually under construction now. The sewer project just started. And um so you've seen the Kaufman the the beautifification and the multimodal improvements that have happened on Kaufman. that's being extended south. Um, including the extension of this roadway that doesn't yet exist. >> How far will Kaufman go? >> How far the unified meal will go? >> It'll go to Boston >> to to Boston and there's a a kind of a trail connection that then will go to the greenway and then from there the greenway goes, you know, end to end. So, uh, here's the coffin extension that you can see. It's under construction. This is a a picture I think from earlier this week. And then um starting now with the sewer line that's in the Kaufman piece itself. And then site clearance will start next week or maybe the week after. We'll have a groundbreaking ceremony that happens in October. And foundation work is going to start later this fall on the transit center itself. So here overall is the kind of everything that's happening. This is a Front Range passenger rail rendering that they gave to us earlier this year that we've been using a lot just because it kind of shows the whole area. The transit set hub is right here that is just uh west of Main Street. And uh here's the the rail line and then Kaufman will um extend right here. Uh you can see that it goes just like here's answering your question that it goes to Boston and then will connect into this um this area. This is a detention pond area that also will be under construction soon. And here's what that Kaufman uh extension looks like. So you kind of get that sense. And again you can kind of see that trail um that's going to the greenway. So there's another look at the transit center and more information about that that that same that same stuff that we just went over and I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. So, one of the components of this project is that we this um and I'll give you another view of this here in a second is the southern wall of the the parking garage structure. And it is going to be a very large wall. And the this piece that's right here, actually, I've lost my cursor, so I don't know. There we go. This right here is a kind of a a metal treatment that will be on the building itself. This is on the lot line. So, buildings that are on the lot line can't have any openings. And so, it's going to be this massive wall of something. And um this is kind of a CMU and concrete mix. So, there it's not open. And I think that it kind of is a little bit unclear because it looks like it might have those open floors. It's not. It's a full wall. And one of the things that we talked about was that this is a great opportunity for there to be art on this facade. And so that's why I'm here this evening to chat with you all a little bit about that project. We'll be going to city council probably October 6th um maybe later in October to talk more about how that looks, but I wanted to kind of introduce the concept here first. And I'll just walk through a couple of the other slides here really quickly. So, here's that mixeduse wrap that's going to go around this. Um, essentially the the transit center is behind here. This is that hard corner at first. And here's a different look of what that that looks like. This is that same wall we were just looking at. That's the southern wall. And this is where the that mixeduse building will be on the that fronts to Main Street. So this is the the wall that we're talking about and the building that's immediately adjacent is a a restaurant diner that's there that at this point is not intended to or you know um there aren't current plans to see that building redevelop and so we thought that it was a because it's a fivetory uh structure that's kind of the gateway to downtown that it it would be nice to have art on the wall. >> Yeah. so low profile that that's the first time I've seen that image and I think that that's really helpful >> because of that gateway concept coming into downtown and you'll recall that uh downtown DBA tend to call that area the slope >> and so visually as you know this isn't quite at that area where it starts sloping up but that wall is I mean that's massive doesn't even touch it right >> yeah that's it okay I was going to say I might have some more slides and I'm happy to talk about what what's happening in the overall project area as well. I can go back to that slide. Um, essentially we have been uh working on this project is it's kind of we have a center of excellence which is kind of this cross collaboration that's happening across the city that's happening with redevelopment and housing and planning and finance and urban renewal and city council and art and public places. We have lots of folks who are part of this project and have been kind of standing it up over the last year and the construction starting this fall. So, it's really exciting. And um let me just check my notes here for what else I wanted to say. We have talked about this being a public art process and having this be a little bit outside of your normal process because what we're looking to do is set aside some dollars from the ex from this project to fund the art on this project which I know is a little bit different from your um usual and customary way that you work and that's one of the things that we're going to talk to city council about in October. And then because there's a number of funding elements that are happening to you, the capital stack for this project is complex and it includes dollars that as I mentioned came from RTD that are specific for the design and build of of the the project itself. There's $4 million that is uh coming from the uh TOSI but I can't remember what it stands for but from the Department of Local Affairs. is really transit transit oriented um investment that's happening at the state level. So there's $4 million coming from that. And then the lion share of this is coming from uh uh coopertificates of participation that um are happening that city council's seen that um information recently and approved that to move forward as well. So some of the dollars that are coming for the construction are um are from coming from the public improvement fund and as I mentioned there's also other partners. So the urban renewal authority is um one of the partners in this. So the urban renewal authority is primarily made up of city council. There are other seats that represent special districts. The school district I'm gonna forget somebody. um >> left hand water >> left the special district I think is for all those seats there's a an appointment by the u the mayor and then one for the county and so that board um has recently also been going through the process to develop an urban renewal plan for this area and to get um taxing agreements or tax increment financing agreements with all of the taxing entities. So, it's not new taxes, it's dollars that come from the new development and it's the property taxes associated with that new development that's reinvested into the project. And so, those dollars um some of the agreements that we have wouldn't allow probably for the the public art to be funded from those dollars. So, as I mentioned, it's a complex capital stack and we're going to talk to city council about how we do this. We just um are planning to have a a 1% essentially. it might be actually a little more. We have to do that math um that would be set aside as part of the project but would go to public art. And so I'm going to stop talking and answer any questions that you have about kind of what we're doing or what the next steps are. And some of that I might not know the answer to, but I'm happy to try to answer the question. And >> I could plug in just a couple of things about maybe how this falls outside of our typical process. Usually with CIP projects, they come to us and sta staff will let us know. Sandstone Ranch is a really good example, right? We have a park, it's going through a renewal process. It's a fairly standard and so it comes to us in advance and then typically the executive team meets in the fall. We look at all the series of projects that could be coming up and they're prioritized. This is backwards in a lot of ways, but is also very similar to public art in a lot of ways. And I think that that's why when we were talking about um coming in advance even though this could fall in line with prioritizing projects because of necess the necessity of figuring out that this is going to be a public art project. It's important for you to know in advance. It's a massive wall and gateways when we read our um guidelines like gateways are some of those that kind of automatically go to the top. So, Jen explains it a lot better than I could because it it is complex, but it also is really it's a really important opportunity. >> Would you specify um what you mean by gateways exactly? >> Good point. So, um we have in the collection presently two gateway pieces. One is Spirit of Long along 1119 and one so they're both in 1119 and then Florida Lano which is coming from the east into um and so it's usually a place where someone is entering into town. Uh there had been talk many years ago, actually when I first got here, about uh the desire to have something on the north side, but because 66 really is kind of that entrance place, there's not there hasn't been development over there. So, um but that entrance in from 119 into downtown, >> this is going to be an entrance piece whether you like it or not. >> We can never predict the future down the road. whomever owns that uh piece on the other side of the property line may go up into the air with some building and it you know changes the line of sight of this but that's so much out of our control where this is an opportunity and it will be for some time and even if there was vertical development it'll always be vis visible >> right from Main Street and going up so yeah >> I think a concrete wall is good we should made of two different kinds of concrete. Awesome. >> I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. >> Super cool opportunity. I had to make a joke about it cuz do we think the whole vertical face is proposed art? Is it just the magenta that's proposed public art and then that kind of fencing or this might be beyond what is known yet? But >> this is a a architectural treatment that's intended to provide some visual relief on the the wall. >> And I think it could, you know, the art could extend down into it doesn't have to be squared off essentially. Um this piece is open and this there's solar >> that um canopies that would be on the the rooftop. So this is the piece that you know I think this little uh dip is related to the the actual piece of how the the building will function. Let me go back to this guy. So you can kind of see that it's >> so right now they're just kind of drawing it with that dark >> curving part down below. Right. that that would be like a metal or some other kind of treatment that would be >> either pin mounted or some other kind of I don't um have the details offhand and we can certainly get them if you're interested about how that would happen. Um and I think there were let me go back to the front facade really quickly. Um, you know, we had lots of conversations about what are these other kind of treatments that would be on the front and there were iterations of that wall that had more metal everywhere on that wall. And um one of the things we thought would be interesting and and certainly in line with the work that's been happening lately is to have this be a a nice mural that could um tell a story about about whatever that story is that ultimately is selected to to be told. But I think the the idea is that it's this this opportunity that could just be um architectural treatment and and opportunity for it to be art. What's the size of the mural area? I saw 4,000 something, but is that the whole wall? >> Do you have that number off the top of your head? I don't think I have it. >> 4863 4886 what? 43 48 something around there. It's nearly 5,000 square feet >> like >> so when we're looking at project in comparison to some of the things that we've done, I think it would fall in line with that. The other piece of this is because it will become a piece of public art, the maintenance piece is perpetual maintenance. It fall it will fall to us. And so making sure I always call it the sandwich, right? The mural sandwich is appropriate. So because this is new concrete, the um cleaning of the release agents and making sure that we're starting with a fresh pallet is really important. making sure that we have the right primer is really important and the opportunity to potentially build that into this construction actually creates efficiencies for dollar sake. Um so getting some some if not most of that done and then having because it's so large this is our chance right like what is the community asking of us when it comes to uh working with local people but also it's 5,000 square feet is a it's a it's a big piece. So, uh, you know, we've talked a little bit about what that look could look like, but we're really feeling like we're okay to go and mural sounds good. Um, I think with a budget that is being um as an option, it's a it's appropriate and it would stand the test of time. Uh, you know, we're talking about 5,000 square feet, but we're also talking about bucket lists and certificate of insurance. We're talking about some a very professional artist and where is that opportunity to weave in local? Is this an opportunity for mentor mentee like we've been talking about? Uh but the with efficiencies with construction, it's a gateway piece and it'll be a pride piece for the community. It's a real opportunity. So um yeah and and also of and of course all of its function like related to transit like we talk about all the art stuff but its function is important. So >> so it sounds like u we're um it sounds like we're already thinking y'all are already thinking uh a mural. Have you also possibly considered something more uh sculptural like flat sculptural um or even something that might have some different lighting features? Um, you know, just something. I know expense is also in there, but murals are pretty expensive as well, but I'm just, you know, just curious if this could be a different opportunity for a different type of art installation on such a big piece and being that it is gateway. >> Yeah. Does it have to be a mural? I'm just throwing that out. >> Yeah, I think we were thinking mural. Um we did briefly talk about having solar panels be on this wall and having the art be on the solar panels. Um so we it's that we have been looking at other kinds of uh contemplating other ways in which art could be in this space but we are also working to try to um maximize the time efficiency also with this project given that um it's something that the city is um required to deliver on a certain timeline. And so we're we're looking at that. But um and you know we're in the midst of the the design finalizing the design to move forward. Obviously the the foundation permit is is moving forward right now and um so essentially all the the design the the engineering of this building has been completed. I think it's not that we wouldn't want something else. just that there probably are engineering choices that you would have to make if there were something else that's being uh fixed in the wall. >> That's a good question. I do know that that was one of the considerations that we had talked about certainly with the museum and we'll be going forward with something sculptural on the side of the museum. Um that's a $150,000 project and far less square footage than we're talking about here. I think that the dollars that are being allocated for this makes sense financially for a mural, but I I don't know what I'm regarding the engineering portion of it. >> Yeah, might be outside of the might be outside of that. >> What remind me what is the square footage of the mural in the hotel parking garage? just about 5,000 about >> but it's a wrap around >> and did not require the li the lifts. I mean this is a significantly different situation because >> stories up in the air. >> Yeah. >> But we've seen artists submit that have done >> oh huge vertical >> Oh yeah. >> work you know in that capacity but no >> they're always local. One of the other considerations is the um we have a constru I mentioned it was on the lot line. We have a construction easement that we will be finalizing for the adjacent properties. There's also a time component of that as well. >> But I think you know when we've talked about the development and this certainly uh the local mural community is looking for local mural community. the local artist community that participates in murals um are looking for opportunities and as the city we don't have a lot of buildings that have flat spaces for murals. >> Um there's a lot of privately owned um you know buildings around town but I don't think that something like this is going to come around every day. Um, sculpture is, you know, certainly different. But, uh, the mentor mentee, it's just in the back of my head. It's like, is there a way that we can provide a really serious opportunity for someone to start getting some someone local, regional, local to have um to put a big project on their resume that we create for them? And I mean this could this could be it. And also the treatment of that facade. Um it's not cheap like with the hotel. We were lucky that you know that was built into that project. Um and that we didn't have to do the surface washing treatment or the priming. And hopefully the same would hold true with this that that's baked in is is is certainly a bonus. >> What is the expectation for when this art should be applied finished? >> Oh, timeline. Yeah. So the project itself will be um under construction as I mentioned very shortly and then we are the project is intended and and needs to be delivered by the end of 2027. So we have been on a kind of a a very very fast timeline to get through design entitlement funding all those kinds of components to make this happen. And I recognize that that is not the best time to be putting paint on a wall at the end of the year. So we do need to talk through what that looks like in terms of that um construction easement. And it's a question that we haven't yet talked about. So that's a great question. >> Just thinking of all our priorities and projects that are already in the queue and how make it all fit in. Yeah, >> I'm speaking out of turn a little bit and I'm thinking out loud, but it luckily with mural work rather than installation pieces, it can be something that happens after construction, but I don't know about easement agreements and all of that kind of stuff. >> So, we'll we'll have to add that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's true. It would need to be an easement agreement for sure. Yeah. >> Um, and then the other piece about murals that it might be worth mentioning is when it comes to public art timeline, there is zero fabrication time time. Um, so it's selection and then execution without fabrication. >> So is there a separate bus station and train station? Are there two different buildings here? >> It is. This building is will be able to serve both because the dollars here came again from FastTracks, the RT dollars or Fastracks dollars. And >> we um intend for these parking stalls to also serve the the rail station. >> The the station platform itself is is here. It's right, you know, in that area where the tracks are for First Avenue and it's essentially just where Terry Street cuts through today. It's essentially right there where the the platform is. So, it's it's um and I don't have it >> okay >> off the top of my head, but it's a few hundred feet away essentially. And I do anticipate that other um redevelopment will happen in this area too. So that >> this is not the only project that won't be happening or the only projects that will be happening. The other project that's that you probably have heard about in the news is that the Front Range Community College campus is in design and working through entitlements to take this this property that's right across the street. And there would be some midlock crosswalk or something for there to be a a way for to get across Main Street there for the folks who would be using the parking garage and going to the Front Range campus as well. >> What's the road kind of on the bottom that goes across? >> This is Boston. >> That's okay. >> And this is kind of the Dickens Farm nature area. So it goes right into that trail system and away. So there's a trail connection that will happen on this side. There's a trail connection that will happen on this side as well. >> And >> there will be a road I don't I I thought I might have one I but I took it out. There is a a roadway that will come into the site here. Front range way I think is what they're tenatively calling it. that would come into the so off of Main Street and come into the Front Range site. >> Okay, >> cool. >> I think the scale of this is so much bigger than the community >> realizes so far. You hear Transit Hub and you're like, "Oh, parking structure." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and there's a number of other components that are happening. this uh right here there's a an office building that is also part of this project that would be um the future home of next light and then other other uses that can be in there as well. There's a commercial component that is part of the that mixeduse wrap that goes around and we're already hearing from others of folks who are interested in kind of how could they be part of this. So, we'll see what else. Um, private investment follows public investment and so I anticipate that there'll be other future redevelopment that happens in >> just a this a little off topic, but across the across from Kaufman, >> is their apartment or their housing going in >> to the to the west? >> Just right here. There's a little remainder parcel that's right here and it isn't the use hasn't been identified yet and it there's these um I think it's essentially where these buildings are right here. This is the remainder parcel for the the rideway parcel that there's a number of um properties that were purchased by the city to to make this happen. And there are some remainer parcels and there could be development that happens on those remainer parcels but it hasn't yet been identified. >> Thank you >> Jen. What's driving the decision to do this now? >> Well, I think 20 years of work. Yeah. >> Um I think we have been planning for this to be a transit center for a long long time and uh I Harold says I should tell this story and I haven't told it to anyone else so I will tell it to you. I I used to work at the newspaper and I wrote an editorial a long time ago about how the community should participate in the planning for this transit center and um and so it's kind of interesting to be on the other side of it and help making it happen um all these years later. So >> essentially there's been work for this to happen for a long time. the there was a visioning process that happened the steam uh visioning process that happened I think it ended in maybe in 2019 >> and there was a lot of public input that happened about what what wants to be in this space and it was really that science technology innovation art maker space and higher education is one of those things that rose to the top so I think it is the convergence of that community vision. It's also that there's um somebody at the leadership at the college that's excited about >> about that vision and is, you know, listening to the call of what folks want downtown and um wanting to have this potentially be the that innovative campus for the future for them. Um, and the the transit hub itself is is something where we have a so I started at the the city about a year ago and before I got here there was an IGA with RTD to make this transit center happen and for them the BRT that is going to Boulder that will come um that will start in 2028 is one of the driving forces for them. >> Hopefully that answers the question. >> Yeah, I don't have to drive to Boulder anymore. This is great. Great. >> Thank you. >> Awesome. >> All right. >> Next is uh to off to city council. Yeah. >> Off to city council. That's our plan. Um if I can get out of this without the keyboard. I don't think I can. >> Oh, there you go. >> I I'll bring this back to you. >> Thank you. So, more to come. >> Cool. Cool. Thank you, Jen. >> Thanks for having me. Thank you. Thank you for coming. >> All right. All right. >> I have enough paper. >> Okay. Flag project gift. >> Uh we have the three finalists that uh selection panel voted on. Thank you very much. um designs. The designers are getting to mid design that goes off to NAVA. NAVA will be doing those reviews. We will not be having a Zoom meeting with them, which is slightly unfortunate. I was hoping that they were uh going to be able to have a kind of a either a Zoom meeting with the artist and then we could promote that or publicize that. but instead it's just going to be email review which is completely fine. Uh so those three designs will go to Nava. NAVA will review them. That review will go back to the artist and then you will have designs in hand by the 30th of September and then the community preference poll will open October 1. Uh it will go for a month till November 1 and then hopefully, knock on wood, we will be at council November 3. Uh postcards are being created in bilingual and sent to every resident in uh Longmont. And so that will be directing folks to the community preference poll. And the community preference poll will have three questions. Uh, one, are you a resident of Longmont? Yes or no? Uh, two, here are three designs. Which one do you prefer? And then a subsequent I prefer the flag as is. Uh, that community preference will be given back to uh, council on the third and we will go from there. I didn't have it pulled up, but I intended to show you. Sorry. Hold the phone. Here we go. So, this is the community packet that was given to each of the designers. I took uh all of the online um bits that we got and all of the uh inerson and turned it into a wordcloud. Happy to share this with everyone. And then also uh you know how did we reach the community? Well, we went to the oh I forgot the name of it. the create creations with the community uh summer camp at the Long Law Museum and then of course we introduced kiddos to the principles of flag design and then they each took that and created their own so to share that with the with the designers and then here we are at the 4th of July and we gathered information uh via the QR code so they could submit it online. We also grabbed a lot of the um like sentiment that folks just wrote down and shared all of this with uh each of the designers. Lots to look at and think about there. And then all of the sentiment verbatim went straight to the designers. And so it will be very interesting to see how they distill this all down uh into their into their designs. So uh as soon as I get all of those uh those three finalists, you'll be seeing them licky split right before it goes up for community preference poll. But I think all in all uh oh again NAVA has asked us to uh present this project uh to their membership October the Saturday the second 3rd 6th >> third 3rd. Uh so that will be also very interesting to see what they have to say but uh I would say success is looking good. So >> I just have to know how do prairie dogs get so big? Yeah, >> right. And in two forms. >> This one's going for your kids that cute. >> Yeah. There's like some some really good stuff here. >> For the little You don't want a prairie dog on the plate. Is that what you're saying? >> We're just the essence of like, "Thank you. We love you. Love us. years of prairie dogs entering my life. Triggering out there. >> Yeah. So, that's Flag Project. It's It's looking good. Um, >> it's super interesting looking at it when you put all the kid feedback in it because I'm looking through the lens of, you know, what we heard from the community and from all the people. Yeah. And and it was very different. >> Very different. Well, and to be fair with these kiddos, at the time that we were doing this exercise, it was the World Cup. And if I would have thought about that, I would have brought a lot of World Cup flags rather than specifically here's Longmont, here's Colorado, >> you know, kind of thing because I think then they >> gravitate to what, >> you know, um but >> you know, going back to mountains and nature and like this kiddo would could tell you exactly like the green meant the parks and then these meant the bike trails >> and then like came out But these anyway um but I mean it shows up right like the mountains what what was expressed um in the online versus even some of the the visual it shows up so >> it all tracks >> well thank you for persevering through that process uh like I said you you hear it for me and also press releases scheduled with the names of everyone with the images community poll is open. Press will re receive that all on October one and comms has been super helpful and just getting all of these dominoes lined up so we can keep it moving. >> Yeah. >> So, have they all signed their contract yet or >> I have one naughty child who >> has a deadline and is following up with me, but um I think we're very close. what's holding them up is completely it's just semantics >> um related to our lovely accounting system but >> I have all confidence so I'd be like 99% 1% >> Yep. Were you comfortable or were you planning on sharing who the finalists are now or you want to wait? I'm totally cool if you like would rather. >> Yeah. No, I can tell you the who's who. Um, >> uh, Tara, David's Orlando. >> I can't. We we of course only know >> there was people who >> Oh, I could show you their applications. Okay, hold on. Let me think for just a second. I would have that in Uhhuh. Uh, >> can you share your screen? >> Oh, yes. >> Thank you. >> Maybe I can. Maybe I can. Oh, it's on. It's on. It's easier to do it this way because then I don't have to flip. >> It's working. >> Is it okay? >> Yeah. >> You don't love this, but it is what it is. I suppose where on earth is my mouse? There we go. So, this is not working. Hold on. Remember this is their portfolio, >> not their flag cuz it's in it would have been in we looked at it in the portal, didn't we? >> Uh that's city council like what's CC. >> Okay. Well, yeah. Okay. This person. Oh, yeah. You stinker. Sorry. not liked it. >> I'm just going to have to do the pictures, I think. >> We're so close. >> I know. I know. >> Dog's not Sean, where did this all start? It's so funny because you know you'll be like um some big things happening and then someone will bring something about prayer like >> did you not see that that we were like dealing with this like major situation here? >> There we go. >> It's like what? >> So this is artist number not one but you know one of three >> right >> is this person. >> Yeah I remember. Is this number two? That was >> This is number one. Person number one. This is person number two. >> Didn't do a flag. And then this is person number three. >> Yep. >> So those are the three. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> And one of course No, good question. Um and so again, one of them is outstanding, but I anticipate by Monday we should be all sort Um, >> now I don't know what I've done. >> I just How do I get back? >> Oh, here you are. Okay. Stop sharing. >> Stop. Am I stop sharing? I can't even tell. Am I still sharing? >> Yeah. Oh, >> there. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um, yeah. Any other questions related to flag? Okay. So, um, a little art on the move discussion. Um, we have brochures. >> Oh, yeah. Did everybody get one? >> I like them. >> And the online tour is out there if you want to. >> On the back of this, it talks about that. So, I think this is very, very cool. >> Um, I have one. Good. Thank you. So, one of the things we thought we should talk about was considering that we might switch. I think we've talked about this before. >> Seen one of those >> switch so we have the loans for two years. Yeah. >> As opposed to every year having I mean it's a lot of a lot of work. >> Yes. >> So, one thing would be to try to extend um the loans on the the uh pieces that we have now. And then the other would be to decide whether we want to starting like starting in 2028 if we just want to make them for two years >> and just have that be our standard going forward >> or we could return these get a new one and then talk about two years beyond this. There's always that too, right? >> Well, and we don't we don't know for sure if the ones that we have those could go for another year. >> Correct. Right. I mean the artist might not want to fix it. >> That's true. So uh this is the time around now getting well we're a little on the early side which is good. Um at the end of the year is when a lot of the regional loan uh calls for participation will open. And so lots of the artists that of course we have loans with now through the spring will start applying to other programs. So if we wanted to extend their loan, we should ask them soon. >> And even some of them may say yes, some of them may say no, >> which has happened before. >> Angela, question for you. Um at one point we had just kicked around the idea of having some uh so they were rotating a year but half of them >> and but does that increase your cost and your headache from installation perspective doing annually? >> Installation is a heavy lift. >> Yeah. >> So we have been lucky enough to have a contractor who will pad time for us like over a couple of days. So, I'm able to give artists a week and we move out and then we move in and we try to overlap specifically with Lafayette because some of them I don't know if you've been over there but they have some of ours from last year. >> Swiffy swappy. >> Yeah. So, it's a little swoopy swap, right? And so, if it's fantastic when we're able to move art out and then move art in kind of the same week. Um, if we did half and half, it's it's an as it's still the a similar amount of lift um, one way or the other. I think the bigger thing that came up uh, when we deinstalled this last time around and they had been here for 2 years, somebody had commented, "Oh my gosh, I just noticed that we had those here." and like didn't even recognize that they had been here for two years. So it does beg the question like is one year >> a short amount of time. Um >> the other thing we had talked about too is uh the ability and opening up the two-dimensional art on the move. So now because of our >> changes that were made in the code, we do have an opening for more funds to go towards temporary art or So, there's that. Um, and when you do decide whether this upcoming season or if you extend these loans and then the next time around, you can increase the stipend. And by increasing the stipen, you'll notice that your number of applications goes up because our applications, I can't remember, I should have looked into it how many we had for this, but it's in the last couple of years, it's dropped off. And I would say the reason it's dropped off is there's more programs regionally. And then there's some big ones that are paying more and some big ones, Carbondale being specifically one that they're buying every year, but they also are buying and they're installing them like along the river. So they have like a sculpture walk. So they're filling that out. That makes sense. Um, so there's a number of factors that I think are lending themselves to the artists are putting their artwork, the same sculpture in like five different options and then whichever the best one or first comes around, they take that. So >> yeah, >> what is the statement that we're paying now? >> $1,000 for one year, >> which is better than most, but not the best. And they have to pay to bring it here to Longma. >> They do. >> Right. So there's also that factor. >> But we install. >> We install. Yes. >> Which means we lift. >> Yeah. We lift. They just have to get it here and take it away one time. >> Yeah. >> And the lift is a big deal. The fact that we lift means that some artists who might not be applicable towards a number of regional programs will come to us because they can do heavier stuff >> because in their shops, this is going a little in the weeds, but like they have the um when they're fabricating and stuff, they have one of those fancy roller lifts that they pull their truck underneath and the roller lift can pick and put, but it's stuck in the shop, right? So they can't take it anywhere else. >> So like we for instance that probably was needed a pretty heavy see we the sculpture we >> Yeah seems like that's that one's a that's a pretty heavy one. >> That one actually is hollow and it's not so bad. Okay. >> But the um the piece that is in St. Stevens in the center right now is limestone. Uh it's not here. Oh, it's not one grip. Grip grip. And then we have moved a we we moved a um a marble piece >> that was heavy heavy heavy and beautiful. We purchased that. It's in storage, >> right? >> So, um yeah, it does open up. >> Yeah. >> A a lot. >> So, by doing this, does this allow us to do more stipend? We could we could yeah you if you want to extend and increase the stipen absolutely >> but we can do those things independently or >> I'm good. >> Yeah. >> Do the artists tend to have a preference >> to more money? They say yes >> to the length there. I already save so many money. >> Oh yeah. the length. I would never speak on behalf of any of them, but there's one in here who I know very well who would say absolutely because that lessens the amount of application that they have to do. It's already in place. It's good for another year. This is going to be beneficial to them or online tour already they're excited about because not everybody does that. The map I've heard lots of good things. A number of artists were even like, "When can I come record?" >> So, I was like, "Okay, good to know that." Um, I think that because we're so early, I wouldn't I would be surprised if any of these artists said no. I think all of them would say yes. >> Yeah. >> One of the things that I think if we're considering this, I think this is a really strong group. >> I I think >> I agree. We've got a really strong group and it would be a good thing to extend. Um we're not I don't think we're as strong as we are this year. >> I would like the idea of once we I would like to extend this year, but also then changing it so that it's always two years. Um it gives us more ability than on the off years when you're not having to install or pick to work on another project. It also gets more shelf life out of the recordings as well as any kind of paper brochures. >> Um, that would be my idea. And then it would give us the ability to to focus on something else on those off years. >> Yeah, >> maybe the off years too could in include and not necessarily that this is the best timing, but that there might be more space for like let's make sure we've promoted this well in the community or driven home that this exists. And >> I agree. It gives us more opportunity. I mean, instead of three art walks, it gives us six art walks basically to to talk to the community about this particular project. >> We haven't done inerson tours for art downtown in a while, right? >> And that's certainly one thing, you know. >> Yeah. So there's I mean there's lots of things but that's something I think the what it I feel like what we're getting at is um it's worth asking is there anything we're giving up by changing to two years or are there anything is there anything we're losing or trading off yes of course less variety right because we're not going to circulate it as frequently but >> um so because of Because of the way that workflow worked out this year, one of the priorities was the newspaper boxes that are still in the shed and turning those into mini gallery or the next, you know, idea for that and that got shelfd. So, no art on the move. Maybe that's one of the things that rises. We had t of course talked about the two-dimensional art on the move. Senior center is really excited to have pieces with a new library director. Maybe there's opportunity there. So then then certainly I mean Brit's time and the audio pieces of it, it lends itself to opening up more things. So >> anybody else have comments or concerns or >> I kind of like the two-year idea, too. >> And I would like to see us increase this diaper. Most definitely. Just it puts us right where we need to be. We want to be at the first. So if we want proceed, do we need to have several votes obviously, but do we need a separate vote for stipen and a separate vote for extending our existing for another year? >> Correct. So you would >> and then a third one if we want to make it always two years. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. >> If you are making all three of those decisions today. Yes. >> Right. So I mean how do you feel? Do you guys want to at least make some of these decisions? It seems like >> it would be a good idea to get a move on if we want to extend the existing ones so that we don't lose them. >> Right. >> Just one question about that before we do. Um do if we move on the stipen, do we have to say a dollar amount >> right now? >> Yes. >> And do we know what that is? >> Well, you're at $1,000 right now. >> Per year. Per year. >> Yep. I think 1,500 would be good. There are some places that do two, but I think that two's probably a lot. So, >> I could do the research and come back to you with the dollar amount, >> but if we need to move on getting the people that we currently have, we really need to get get going. Do we So would we potentially consider asking them to loop a loan to us for another year and maybe we say for 1500 and then separately for the next time when we do the two years do we go to 3,000 is that >> 1500 >> for the two years >> is that in the ballpark do we think >> I think that's perfect >> for additional 1500 we're saying >> yeah so it's a year Y >> so we would be actually increasing >> our stipend currently to >> for them to do nothing and leave it there. >> Yeah, >> pretty good. >> So that's actually a pretty good math for that. >> All right. So we need a motion >> for to extend >> extend um to extend the current our on the move >> contracts for one year. Yep. And then we need a motion to increase the stipen to 1,500 >> per year. >> And then we need a motion to change our policy regarding our on the move to every two years. >> And then also then do we have to vote on the cycle being 3,000? >> You could just include that >> because it's 1,500 a year already. Right. >> Right. So you do two years. would just yeah on that second motion you would just say going forward >> period if that's yeah >> okay >> and we've been at 1,000 for a while right Angel >> oh no no no no that's not true when I got here it was 750 and we increased it to a th000 so that was 2019 >> it's been a while >> so it's been six years yeah >> it seems >> but at that time they were responsible to assist with installation and we took that over. So there was >> a balance out of the cost too. >> Yeah. >> Just we might want to ask a question. >> You know what is what is the maximum >> $15,000 of temporary artwork per year. So the this stipen would then go into next year's temporary budget. >> We could do up to 10 pieces of art on the move. >> Yeah. >> So we're okay. >> Go. >> And that so maybe so we have to remember that raising the stipen for art in a move on the move reduces our capacity to offer temporary artwork to others. >> Yeah. >> Because we can't go over that cap on an annual basis. >> Correct. And then that would have an except maybe on our 2D >> our 2D art, right? >> Which talk about >> but we we should consider you know ensuring that that is a viable like program we could pursue with money that remains >> right. I mean if that's one of the reasons we're going to two years is so that we can do some other things. Would it be good if we had money? >> We bankrupt did ourselves. So, we have eight, right? >> And Uptown is a permanent piece >> which is in here, right? >> No. >> I was just counting. >> Oh, yeah. You did. >> We didn't in here. >> I didn't even notice that until right now. >> Yes. >> So, $12,000. So we'd have 3,000 left if we That's if we paid all of the current or on the moves >> to remain for 2027. We would have >> 3,000 remaining. >> That's >> for TUMD. >> Yeah, >> or whatever lighting fund. >> Yeah. >> Etc. That's still enough squishy money. >> I don't I don't know. I'm not sure. But >> these days >> we've that could be changed, but we have to go to council to change it. So >> we just did. Oh yeah, because >> but okay. So >> yeah, >> we got to work within these private right now >> which is for temporary artwork >> and >> we have raised it from 12 I think right >> doubled or seven >> sorry no chiming in. >> Yeah back community. Do you feel like 3,000 is enough for us to potentially pursue again some 2B, some fun poppy ups? Because I don't think that you I mean completely speculating right now, right? But uh I don't think that you would spend $1,500 on, you know, when you're loading a painting. >> Yeah. >> And delivering a painting like stipend is different than hauling >> and stalling. Yeah, >> sculpture. Th those values I think are different and even newspaper installation like that installation value of doing that work versus hauling a sculpture. >> So, yeah. >> What are your thoughts, Eric? I see. >> Oh, sorry. I was thinking h loaning artwork, >> but uh no, can't do that. >> I just saw your So I just wonder >> question. >> All right. >> All right. So I make the first motion to um extend our contracts with our current art on the move artists for an additional year. >> I'll second you. Okay. All >> in favor? Make n >> I make a motion to increase the yearly stipen to $1,500 per year. >> Second, >> Scott. >> Oh, sorry. >> Scott, second motion. >> And would somebody like to make a motion to if Hold on. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I got it right now. Sorry, >> I'm out of practice. >> You want us to wait for you? >> Scott, you were second. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And it was unanimous. >> Okay. And it was you. >> Yeah. We'll just Yes. Okay. Proceed. Thank you. >> Sure. >> Um would we like to make a motion to in the future go two-year time periods? Somebody want to make >> and specify art of move three dimensional not two dimensional. >> Yeah. And the stipen of three thou of of 1500 a year for to those two years. >> Someone want to make that. >> All right. I don't know if I got made anything sin. Did you get >> No, I got it. I got it. >> Okay. Excellent. >> Thank you. I'll make a motion that from now on, Arch in the Moon be a 2-year contract paying each artist for 3D work $1,500 a year. >> I'll second that. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. >> Susan, you want to muted? >> Are we good? >> All in favor? We're all so excited ourselves. >> Sweet. Dishes are done. >> Oh my. >> Oh yes. >> Okay. So that'll be good. >> Okay. >> That's that's great. >> Next um 2027 AIPB location and meeting times. So we need to >> vote on this. um the museum did all that >> back in order if we wanted to go there. >> So my vote >> could be that we go back to Kaiser SC classroom like we used to be. >> I'd second that. I was out of >> Well, it wasn't really emotional. >> Okay, >> you can if you want. You absolutely can. your thoughts. >> But let me also just say I was thinking that unless somebody has a big problem with it, keeping the same >> meeting day of the month and time. >> Yes, >> probably makes sense just because >> of scheduling in that classroom and >> if that sounds if anybody has issues though, anybody have an issue with doing that? >> No. >> No. Okay. So now I would like to move that we move back to the museum and Kaiser C starting in January. >> I second that. >> Rhonda seconds. >> Good. I think. >> Yep. Do we have to specify for the year? >> It doesn't hurt probably. You could always change it if you need to move later >> because I think that come November technically we're supposed to say for the year of X Y and Z this is the location place and this is the location time. So by saying for 2027 starting in January that covers it. >> Okay. It's posting it partially >> po for posting. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I've got it written down. >> Is there a second? I'll say >> Jennifer second. >> All in favor? It looks pretty unanimous. >> Y >> thanks city council. >> Yes. >> Appreciate it. >> And then the next thing kind of related to this is uh what about the December meeting? We often cancel that. Uh, and I know sometimes we've had a social kind of a thing. Um, either December or January, and it seems like December is fairly busy for most people. Maybe January, but anybody have thoughts about >> that? Do we have any business that would be outstanding December? >> Courtney know things were moving along >> the flag, etc. Yeah, I would want to hear from Angela about just I feel like the flag project derailed a lot of this or of the maybe pre-planned thoughts for this year. So, if there's space needed or >> I think >> how you're feeling, Angela, about >> I think November >> I think we can take care of all of the flag business in November and then there's just projects that are rolling over into 27. Yeah, that's just how that it's going to be. >> It says December 17th, right? >> That's what I was looking at. What is the date? >> It's the 17th. I was just looking. >> So, it's just a little too close to think >> in January. That's it's the wet date. Is that 17th? >> Oh, if like relative to the, you know, big holidays. It's >> pretty close. That's too close. >> 21st. Did you I recall that that January our January meeting of this year was pretty packed. Um I guess that's just the way it's going to be if we don't meet in December. Um but I mean it seemed like it that was a pretty hefty meeting that January the January this >> what what date is that? January 21st. >> The day uh Sundance begins. >> Fun times. >> I didn't think about that. >> Wow. >> So, I could go anywhere. I'm just I could go either way. Where do we go in December? >> We don't really know what the impact is going to be. It's going to be mostly traffic, you think? >> No. It just, you know, there's going to be a lot of people that maybe rent homes here. >> Yeah. I think I definitely think we'll have more people around. >> Yeah. They say 85,000 >> in Longmont. >> No, around >> around attending the festival. >> That's over 10 days. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We can always move it to Zoom. >> Yeah, that's true. >> In January, it's problematic. >> I mean, we'll come back here. I don't think so, but I can't I don't know what the museum's commitment is for to sound dancing. >> I mean, we we don't have anything right now booked. We've kind of tried to leave things open, but my understanding is that first weekend is when everything is happening in Boulder and, you know, it's when all of the stars are there. So, our suspicion is there's probably not going to be as much happening further out on that first weekend. It'll spread out after that as things, >> you know, other meetings and things >> from the being on the tax taxing board for the hotels. Um, we're primarily the hub for uh people that are volunteering and are working. >> That makes sense. is going to be a little longer period, you should say. >> Yeah, >> makes sense. >> Cool. >> All right. Well, thoughts on December. >> I like Rhonda could go either way. December. It might be even if we just had the meeting be shorter. It might be a good idea to just touch base just just to I mean we don't have to necessarily have a full length meeting like and even if it were Zoom you know if like we're crazy even if the December meeting were Zoom >> it might make sense. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then we're we're where we need to be for January. We don't have that gap especially with everything coming in. It just seems to make sense. Okay. >> Do you guys want to move it to Zoom now or do you want to just see You don't have to decide now. >> What are your thoughts? Anybody? >> Zoom. Maybe would that be? >> Go ahead and decide on Zoom now. >> Sure. >> I think as well we need to make a motion for that. >> Good. >> Yeah. You're changing the location of the meeting. I got to tell I got to tell our public. Okay. I'm sorry. >> Everything has to be posted. Of course. Yeah. All right. >> I move that our December meeting be a Zoom only meeting. Okay. I think all in favor >> I don't really have a presence >> and then don't hate me but since you guys did made the official move for 2027 to January since you made the official move from here to the museum starting January for 2027 do you also want to just take care of business and confirm third Thursday of every month from 6:00 to 8:00. >> Oh, yeah. I kind of thought we did that because >> Do we have to reconfirm it >> every single year? You have to say >> what the date and time is and what the location is. >> Okay, can we just vote? >> We can we can just tack it in to the location and date. >> Everyone in favor of leaving it on the third Thursday. >> Yes. 6 to 8. >> 6 to 8. I was just is it working well for everyone? I just want to make sure something where it's like >> so we don't necessarily need is that are we making a motion? Do I need to second that or >> we should just for the sake of it? Let's do let's make a motion and >> Okay. So, I'm making a motion to keep our meeting in this meeting Thursday of the month from 6 to 8 p.m. >> Thank you. >> And I second. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> Oh, boy. >> Need a minute. >> Okay. Huzzah. >> Okay. Okay. Moving right along. >> Oh, we are moving right along. Um, so the next thing is the new business. Um, and just a question about whether or not we might be interested in moving the sculpture that's currently in the roundabout at the museum. Moving it out. I don't know where it would go, but putting something else in there and perhaps something taller. And >> I was over there the other day. It's just like you can hardly notice. It's >> true. >> New moon. And some of it's because the landscaping is kind of >> grown up already, >> not as trimmed as the new stuff that's around. Um, but anyway, I thought we could at least talk about whether um, and my personal idea was maybe protector, that piece of marble or uptown. Um, or like what about, of course, we've just changed our art on the move process, but maybe, you know, we could put art on the move in there and we could until we found something we really wanted to put there. >> I don't know. Anybody have thoughts? >> I like putting something that we own there >> rather than art. I I just I think it holds longer for brochures and there's just a sense of ownership with it. But I do like the idea of occasionally switching it out. I think whatever piece doesn't necessarily have to stay at that location forever. Maybe that's something we look at moving every five years. There you go. And in conjunction with our years of art on the move, we one of the pieces we own there to give it a little bit of a faceelift. >> Um just a little bit of something. And then it features a different artist that is part of our collection in museum space. No different than the displays changing in the museum, >> right? What are you looking for? >> Storage right now. >> Yeah, the marble. Yeah, they're just >> Oh, they're both marble. >> The marble piece is tall, but it would also need a fairly bigger pedestal, I think. >> Um, it's not that well 66 in. So, it's not super tall, >> but it's much lighter. >> Oh, that's so that nice. >> I know. I love that. >> That was protector. Okay. And I thought the >> it's that color marble. So gorgeous. >> And I like Uptown. You would think it would need some lighting. >> Uptown is tall. It's like 100 inches tall. So it's bigger. >> A little taller. >> Okay. So this is Uptown. >> It came from SNJ and then is in front of the firehouse at present. Um Oh. What? >> Eric, are there any lights on >> in that roundabout thing right now? Is there anything on there? >> There's nothing that shines on the artwork. There's uh lights that shine on the drive >> around it. Um >> wonder if we could put something solar even just to shine on the artwork without having any infrastructure there. >> I can investigate. Yeah, I think that would be kind of a neat thing to do. >> That's Protector that's in storage. That's a Longmont Born artist and that's the only piece in the collection of that artist. >> That's just so >> And it's Colorado marble and granite. kind of like the idea of doing it too with like the you know the expansion of freshen a little bit and so it's kind of it's yeah it's consistent with that >> and then that's new of course that's new moon but it's obviously very close right so that's what three three feet maybe >> that's the current >> that's the current piece >> so we would just store a place to put her >> we would we would be find home a new home >> that's a beautiful piece Can we put permanent pieces in St. Stevens? I know we have plent there, but I mean, could we eventually like place something that we own in there and keep it for a bit? >> So, grip we do own and has been there for some time. Uh, I think it certainly uh warrants a conversation with our our folks at the LDDA because they pro have been programming that space so much more >> since they took that fountain out. They've been doing a holiday bits in there, but that it's really been where that fountain was, not so much like traveling through. >> Uh we do have uh Mrs. Poppins favorite umbrella and it's kind of a it's kind of a seek and find situation in there. >> Um >> are there plints planned for the sixth and main on the north side >> for six? for what DDA is doing >> in town square. >> Yeah, >> I was just thinking about that too >> in the inside there >> or on the sidewalk. >> Just Yeah, anywhere in what they're doing. I just just thought of it. It's like >> Yeah, I don't know. There is a location on third on the north west very corner of SNJ out near the sidewalk near the alley. That is this like question mark spot that was asked about potentially putting a plinth there. And then the other bit is we have not uh put temporary artwork on tree grates for some time, but that's not to say that we can't. And a number of trees have come out >> downtown recently. >> So there's that. Uh the other places that we have not recently put temporary artwork is in the breezeways, >> but sometimes they'll put u they DDA will put a bench, >> but that's not to say we can't remove set bench and put artwork for a couple of years and then so it's just working with them. So the answer the question of St. Stevens is I think yes, but we would obviously need to work with those partners to just make sure everybody's cop. It just would be nice not to have art in storage is what my person have it go someplace rather than go closet. >> Well, and and uh the re this thing weighs >> a lot. So when the day comes to place it, we need to get a crane. H. >> Um, and when we do, we'll do this and we'll pour the plinth for the butterfly at Kensington and we'll do all of that in the same day. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. >> So, any opinions? Do we want to think about it till next month to >> Can you put them to the side? >> Oh, yeah. Please. >> Yes. Can we summarize what we're trying to decide? I know. >> Sorry. Sometimes it's like you have to worry too. >> So I think what we're talking about is removing new moon >> which is this one on the left. >> So we would have to maybe come up with maybe where we might want it to go if we don't want it to be in storage and then replacing it with something else. >> Yeah. >> Pull up grip too. >> And these were the two that >> tall >> were taller. I mean, depending on how tall the plinth is for the marble, >> you know, it's it's it's not as tall. >> You have a bigger >> I I think if if and when we remove this piece, we the rock goes with it. >> Yes. >> Right. >> So, we pour new plinth here. Right. >> But do we know I know you were talking earlier about how New Moon is shorter. Um do we know the total height with the rock? >> No, I don't have that. No, but I can give it to you. >> I was just wondering how much >> I think this is about three feet and that's probably is about the same. So >> I think it's slightly taller than I am and I'm not quite 6 foot. >> Okay. >> And then the um sorry >> protector I think >> protector is 66 in short is >> not really much taller. >> No, >> depending on how high the plant is. >> Right. Exactly. >> And how high of a plant would we pour? >> Um, we could do as high as we want, but typically I do about um 18 in because if somebody stands on it and falls off. >> Makes sense. >> Um, but if somebody stands on it, >> that never happens. Rhonda, have you been downtown? >> No, I never does that. >> Bugling. >> Oh, right. What's this? >> There was climbing on bugling elk. >> Oh, okay. >> You can put the signs, the dog climb signs in the elf's mouth. Oh, >> climb up on the one in park, too. The kids like >> you know, whatever it is, risk management passed on the kids up in there. >> Yeah. >> All right, we're losing, >> you know. So, is this something that we should >> like what kind of would help with our decision process with this? >> What does the roundabout look like now? >> The same. >> The same. It looks the same, but the landscaping is taller. >> Do we have any new pictures of the front of the museum? >> Let's see if I can pull one. >> Maintain a little. Well, is that the >> I should have Oh, actually that's >> I know where they are. >> Maybe that's a thing that needs to happen is but it could be maybe we could get with >> Courtney will be coming. >> I do like the idea that have photos. >> I just I just think it would just be fun. >> Is it parks that deals with plant stuff that's at the museum? Yeah. Parks and forestry and depending on if it's a bush or a tree. >> Yeah. Okay. Of course. >> They're like that's big. >> I love the idea of changing the piece. >> I do too. And and changing it. >> Yeah. >> So maybe what we do is at the next meeting we have pictures of what it looks like now >> and measurements. >> Measurements so that we can >> and then the idea of the height. >> Okay. So hold that I need to take I need to take down. So, I need to get some pics of the roundabout. >> I need to get measurements of some options. >> Yeah. >> And I could even do some um like quick and dirty Photoshop of what it would look like. So, a photo and Yeah. Okay. >> Oh, I like that. >> Okay. Some like >> then maybe measurements on new so we >> Yep. So you can compare all three in situ. Yep, I can do that. >> I don't mean to give you more. >> No, no, no, no. This is No, this is great. This is good. Yeah, this will be good. >> Okay. Um, pick the roundabout. Yeah, >> is is one that we want? Yeah, we do like the idea. >> Are those three the candidates to replace? >> I mean, they're just uh these are the two that um uh Eve had mentioned. And then this is a terrible photo of this. Of course, this limestone is supple and beautiful, >> but I think it'll be important to with the rendering next to the building. This color, this buff color is very similar to the color of the building. >> Um, versus this contrast and this contrast. >> Although I I kind of like the >> connection between that and the building. >> Well, and because there's all the green Well, depending on the time of year in that roundabout, right? Yeah. >> Isn't like it's in a sand pile where >> it's all right. >> I I'd throw that third one in to >> evaluate. >> Okay. >> Okay. Cool. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Um so we're going to do a quick timeout. >> Yes. >> For Courtney. >> Hello everybody. >> Um so uh I think most of Is this anyone's first fall on the urban public places board? I don't think so. Right. >> No. >> All right. Um, so this is another year where we are doing our wonderful uh harvest baskets to do all of the appreciation. Appreciate you for all that you've done. Um, do the flowers. Oh, I didn't even see that. >> Ran out. We ran out of space. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so everyone will get a basket and a beautiful bouquet of flowers. We also have cards for all of you. Um, so please help yourself at any point. um n uh grab them on the way out. Is that correct? >> That's the plan. >> And then there's extra parsley. We weren't quite sure what to do with that. I don't know. >> I will be taking the parsley. >> I we have a few people who are picking up tomorrow and I need to make sure they have parsley. So cool. >> All right. Um >> and sorry, I totally pllopped the on top so that trust me underneath the sad looking parsley. It'll pop back up and there's a lot of goodies in there. So, it's >> onions and >> potatoes and >> peppers. They're always so good. Such a great idea. >> Yeah. >> We appreciate everything. Thank you so much. So, >> um pretty consistently the um this commission donates around 900 hours of your time on average every year. Um that comes out to about 100 hours per per person. Um, so thank you so so much for all of the work you do >> to bring art and culture to Longmont. It's um the work you do is significant. So thank you so much. >> If it weren't for those teen volunteers, I say it every time. If it weren't for those teen volunteers, >> they unfortunately bring in about 2,000 hours. >> It's been You guys always are like neck and neck with the archives and collections though, right? They're they're the second. Well, they also have a significant team. So, yes, >> we have less members now, though. So, we might >> Yeah. Right. So, we're just going to do more as well. >> Hey, as long as you record or report the hours you you volunteer, you work, that adds to the total. >> Yep. >> There's always second place. >> Unicorns are >> always have first unless you guys rack up like 22, $2,500. All right. So, I need to hand out cards real quick. Michelle, this is for you, Rhonda. >> And this is for Jennifer as well. Eve, you got yours earlier. >> Randy is not here. Jenny, >> thank you. >> So, we're we're going to go about this. >> Iris, the old fashioned one. >> Okay. Randy is not here. Susan, >> thank you. >> We're coming to Randy, you're coming by the museum tomorrow. >> Thank you. >> Okay. I think we I think last month, Angela, we had recorded some preliminary. Remember, Rhonda, because we hadn't done we hadn't finished our flag judging yet. So, we were like, "Oh, >> all you have to do is round." And even if you don't know exactly, >> it's fine. So, here, name, hours, month. >> All right. >> Problem solved. Just guess. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um, thank you, Courtney. Thank you. >> All right. Well, while we pass that around, I'm just going to hop into administrative >> verb work. >> Uh we talked about flags, we talked about postcards, uh exhibitions. So, uh the exhibitions team is cranking on the museum getting ready for our October 17th opening. If you do not have it on your calendar, Annie will be in town. Please, please, please, please, please come by the museum on October 17th. It there is so much to be proud of and I think that every single person within the museum has done their part and so much more. And so um our team uh we have been uh helping do some vinyl reinstallation on mill walls. Sometimes like checking out and just doing that work is it's kind of fun actually. Um, I we moved some artwork from collections, which I hadn't done in a really long time. I personally installed the baseboards on the Miller walls in uh one of the exhibition spaces and it looks really good. Like I was getting excited about doing some home work home. >> Don't admire it when you comment. >> Right. We have a new uh uh vinyl cutter and so I installed the driver on that and have printed out a lot of really bad vinyl. So I'm going to like get that but so we're all working really hard and so that a lot of that is happening. Um also the sunset sore was quite the event and it was beautiful and the sunset was fantastic. The wind came up and like flowers were flying and at the end of the day like it was just this beautiful event. So um they raised more money than had been in previous years. >> Our target was hit 125. We raised about 160,000. So >> this is amazing. >> Super successful evening. So Brit and I worked on all the historic photo displays for that and helped uh our history curator see her vision which was very cool. Um we were at ArtWalk on this on the 12th. Uh the weather was fantastic. We parked the van right there which was the best thing that we could have ever done ever. Put things up. People were super excited to see the van. We didn't have a creative interactive so much this year and we're really just info booth and it was enough artwork. Well, Artwalk has grown so much that there's so much to do that I kind of wonder if you know we have to bring some absolutely massive undertaking of a creative enterprise every year. So, uh, for this year info booth, it was it was fantastic. And at the end of the night, we were able just to swoop our things into our van and on we went and it worked out great. Uh, we talked to 303 people. like we talked not just 303 people came by and like waved. We talked to 303 people. It was a lot. Um thank you because it was our last day and then at the end we were like oh my god but it was it was great. Um >> and then yeah I I put in here just for this moving on to marketing and comms in the region and then um Sunb Belt I have a big bad meeting with engineers tomorrow. So, um, very excited about that engineer speak. Um, I think that's pretty much all I have for administrative report. >> Two things. Administrative cool stuff. Anything happening? >> That's a I'm sorry. Sunbell. >> That's sunb belt. Okay. >> So, engineers and I are meeting tomorrow. Oh. >> Oh. >> Um, this is a little in the weeds, but that's okay. So because the work is in the right of way previous building um supervisor I don't know what his role is anyway um has exempted some of those right-of-way bus shelter projects through certain pieces of the city and I'm just going through and asking hey do we need to cross those off so I'm going to learn more tomorrow. Um, that was the one that's sun I sunbelled. Cool stop. I use those interchangeably. I'm sorry. >> I just didn't recognize that. >> Yeah. >> And then museum. Are we start again? Yeah. >> So, yes. So, you I know you are on my um who's my other task force person. Thank you, Teresa. Um, I need to and I have built a little bit of a schedule, but I just need to contact you and see what your schedule is going to be looking like. But we need to get that's the next the next thing to get it rolling. Project budget will roll over into next year likely because I don't think we'll have an artist under contract this year. But yeah, I'm forgetting something about that but I can't remember. >> For October 17th for the grand opening, is there a specific time? >> Oh, we should all >> ribbon. So there's a ribbon cutting at 9. We will have events throughout the day. There will be like history lectures, um, talks, there will be, uh, art and sip samplers, um, pretty much rolling throughout the day. >> Cool. Yeah. >> Okay. So, all day. >> Yep. >> Cool. >> And it's free. >> Yeah, it's free. >> Yeah. >> Other refreshments? Um, we will have concession snacks, but no freezes. >> Send that out. >> You're going to send that notification out. >> Sure. >> Yes. Yes. I will make sure of it as well. >> Great. >> That's all. That's what I have. But I know something else. Is there other questions? >> Are there any Oh, I remembered the other thing I forgot to say. Sorry. Uh the van is also going to the printmaking festival that's going to be on third in Martin. So an independent um not independent person a a person who purchased some a building at third and Martin is hosting their own printmaking festival. And the artist who was featured Evan Colbert on the side of our van contacted us and asked very very very nicely, "What will it take?" And I was like, "I can't do another Saturday festival." He was like, "Just the van. Just the van." So I sent it up through the chain, asked our museum people like, "Is it okay?" And so the van is going to be parked there >> for their festival, >> which is cool. >> Oh, that's good. That's really great. >> Really cool. So, >> if if you're into print making, I I think >> for again kind of a grassroots kind of festival thing, like go check it out. >> Sounds like fun. >> It does. >> And what day is that going to be? You're >> Saturday. This upcoming Saturday the 19th. >> Saturday. >> So much. >> I know, right? >> It's still hard week, isn't it? >> Yes. >> All right. Okay. >> That is all I have for real. >> I answer all your questions. You did. Oh, thank you. >> Any commercial commissioner's comments? >> Are we having social time coming up? >> Oh, boogers. >> Yes. I >> I took I took a poll of either Monday or Wednesday this upcoming week for for Bri if she's available. Um, and everyone who responded said they're available both Monday and Wednesday. Does this body have is anybody not available on Monday or Wednesday? >> Sorry, which day is >> 21 or 23? >> Thursday? >> I'm not Wednesday. >> So, Monday >> 21. >> Yep. >> At the hotel. Not business. >> What time? >> I can be there at 6. >> Perfect. >> Okay. >> Do we need to call and try to >> or else we get started without you? Right. Yeah, warm warming up. >> The one time I've been there, we were up on the rooftop kind of patio and just kind of meandered and like when people got up, we just took their seats and it worked out great. >> It is really I thought of a large group >> going to the bathroom. >> We'll let them know that we're coming, but I don't think we're asking for permission. >> Like predators off the >> Maybe they would let us. Yeah. >> Okay. Monday, >> September 21st. >> Yep. Monday. Thanks guys. >> Thank you. >> It would have ended up let's get there at 5:30 and warm up. >> Okay. >> Hey boss, I'm off at 5. >> She said I'm in the email and I was like I'll just go straight from work. Sorry, that's me being selfish, but >> it's fine. I can myself as long as I can do that. Okay, great. I can do >> Monday. >> Okay. >> Just started at 5:30. >> We'll be warm by warmed up by the time Brick gets. That's right. Okay. Anything else? >> Um, I I think Jen's visit, the assistant city manager, it was really cool. I I feel like I kind of um wasn't 100% on what she wanted from us >> or if this was just a presentation of possibilities of the possibility of >> So, usually when a a presentation would come from a a city person to like introduce you, let's say sand sandstone because it's just at the top of my head, right? um usually the public art projects that are possibilities all come in and then I share with the executive team and then if it's something you're moving forward with then that's where we're like hey city person come and give us a presentation rather than flooding you with a the world of possibilities that we don't move forward with x y and z this one is so different >> is so unusual they're asking for variance on the 1% public art because the funding structures are coming for all over the place. The timing is different because it's expedited and there's still a number of unknowns. Um when we were talking like this is all in front of city council anyway and she was very gracious and said would it be okay if I just came and talked to art and public places so you didn't hear like another from another avenue and you had the opportunity to ask questions. So, it's just a little out of the ordinary um when it comes to the project and what it looks like and how we're going about it from a mural and if it is a all of that still needs to go through the public art process. A task force needs to be put together X Y and Z. >> But I do think >> from a construction standpoint like they're full speed ahead. And so that's maybe why like sculpture on the side of the building. It's like well I think that they're already >> they're already >> Yeah. they've already moved forward with >> a mural. I felt like it was just I mean tell me if this is right. I felt like it was just kind of courtesy and also asking us like you know we really would like you to do a mural >> and here's the place where we are right now. So we would like for you all to buy in. >> But I have a bunch of kind of speaking of weeds. So, I have a bunch of kind of questions like what what's happening with crossing over the railroad tracks? Is there going to be some kind of stoplight there or is it going? And also, I still think it's kind of far from the train where the train will go through. >> It sounded like it, didn't it? But she said not Mary the way she said. >> Well, I'm sure that's the best place they could get. Well, what did you think, Scott? I was like dying to ask Scott like what do you think about this? far. >> Yeah. I was trying to figure out where the two >> we should go to >> joined. Um but they're across the street from each other, I think. >> Right. >> And and that's where like my public art brain and urban planning like >> I think I took that class and I was a freshman, right? Like I think a lot of those questions will be answered as the development and all of the stakeholders who were in all of that are working on answering in this forum. I think it was kind of a you know 10,000 foot view of this is the mass transit. It's been in the works for a really long time. And for this body, like this southern facing wall, we know it's going to be solid. Like it is a wall. It is not like it's going to be a giant, you know, and so treating it as an opportunity, but also if we don't then then what? and with even that architectural, >> you know, bits that they're doing, >> um, would they have to treat it with architectural things? If not public art, then what? And so there's I think it's super complicated, but it was certainly a courtesy to this folks. Yeah. >> Unless for you to hear, hey, there's going to be public art or, hey, there's going to be a mural from some other >> Yeah. Right. So it's like a heads up type of situation that in a couple of years this is probably going to be >> presented to us. >> No, less than a year. >> Agenda 27. >> Oh my gosh, you're right. >> Done but in one year. Yeah, you're right. >> Scott, is it your opinion that this is the best as they say parcel to put this thing on? Is that should I not >> but it's another project that is urgent and that we >> I mean my opinion I'll just make sure to say I don't want to speak for you but we got to do like >> I agree I think it's an opportunity we don't want to waste the top >> so yeah you're right >> shows how important >> the end of this year >> 20 it does just said it shows how important we are >> it really is >> yeah I feel fond over a little bit >> a I said meeting >> Yeah, I think it's good. >> We're meeting this stuff. >> And do you need to like is there any action she wants you to take to ensure that yes, it's going to be a mural and they're going to make sure they, you know, construct the wall in the way that again builds in cost savings. >> So that's a really good question. So I've been charged over the last what two weeks of providing doing materials research >> and giving them all of the use this order of operations. So, I don't want to uh belabor it too long, but um I Osiris and I actually he he showed me a lot of what release agent looks like on the hotel. And so he went through and um it beads differently, but what inevitably h can happen is that your primer doesn't make a solid connection to your new concrete specifically and then there's delamination that happens. So that release agent needs to be cleaned. >> And so I'm in a learning curve too of like when and how does that happen on a fivestory building versus >> Yeah. >> you know. Um, so I've sent over the requests and the requirements for the public art standpoint and then they're working on what's integrated into contract, the construction bit bits of it and then what would be ancillary and those kinds of things. So, um, the center of excellence model really is trying to bring the the folks from all the different parts of the city who have these specialized knowledge. So, they're making the most cohesive project that they can with the most efficiency of dollars and but it's happening like right >> right now. It's crazy. No, >> I just Yeah, but so for to answer your question, I don't need anything right now, but certainly when the day does come and it's we have to launch this and get it going, the task force and all of those things, but museum's next. >> Okay, we are important and busy. Sean said, >> you did. >> Yeah. >> Um, I don't want to open and canforms, but does anybody know what's going on with the sugar? >> Is that still is that still a thing? It's a thing. >> It's a big thing. >> Yes. >> And it's it's tied to this in the sense of >> Yeah. >> First things, second things. We're still >> in dealing with some some uh uh you know, negotiations with the owners and stuff like that. >> It's not something I can talk. >> No, that's fine. I that was the high level answer was so thank you. >> Still a thing. I figured that would be a thing that would come to us at some point. >> Friends with all of this stuff. >> I'm sure it does. >> Okay. >> Long change a lot in the next 10 years. >> It's going to be a totally different place. >> You just can't believe some of the stuff that that place will have. I mean, you you look at that that uh uh Spanish dancer on the on the and down in Rhino district on the on the um silos >> and things like that. Uh you know, I don't think know if that will happen, but I mean these silos we're talking about being observation decks >> and stuff >> for like things like weddings. >> Cool. >> So, it's going to be something else. >> Yeah. That's amazing. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> All right. Very cool. >> Anybody else? >> No. >> I think I need to have you direct 300 people over to my booth in the Callahan Garden for ArtWalk. >> Was it quiet there? >> It was quiet. >> I like that you're so far away. >> Yeah. I They have a band there, so that was fun. No, I got I made some sales and talked to people. Yeah, it was fun. >> Are you on this weekend, too? >> No. No, it was just the one week. >> Yeah. And this they're doing the the film on the ETH. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> the outfit. >> Oh, wow. >> Going. Good. >> Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> I think a motion to adjurnn. Accept. Second. Teresa, you're just looking at >> you are like the motion. >> Yeah, but think of all the business you've got and you don't have to take care of in subsequent months. >> Make a lot of decision. >> Oh. >> Another motion. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. Okay, >> don't forget a bouquet of flowers and your basket. >> I might have to make two out of this. >> Baskets are heavy. >> And the baskets are heavy. >> Very heavy dish. >> The farmers market has an online market. If people don't know that, that's where the food probably came from. I used to work for them. So,