Arts in Public Places Commission - August 20, 2026

doing that. >> Call the meeting to order at 6:00. >> Okay. Sorry. >> And we'll do some roll call if that's okay. Teresa >> here. >> Rhonda >> here. >> Iris is excused. Susan here. Michelle >> here. I'm here. Um Randy is here. physically sort of. >> Jennifer >> here. >> Jenny >> here >> and Scott >> here. >> And then Sean is with us. >> And Angela. >> Hey. >> And Eric. >> And Eric. I'm sorry. Eric, he's the first one. >> Sean. >> First one to >> security and oversight. >> All right. Um, are there any corrections to the minutes from last month? Oh, perfect. Um, someone want to move that we approve those minutes? >> Randy moves to approve amenities. >> Thank you, Randy. Is there a second? >> A second. Rhonda. And um, all in favor? See, >> eight. >> I got eight. >> Opposed? >> And I'm going to I'm staying here. Okay. Um, do we have any additions or corrections? >> I have not >> agenda. No. Okay. And public invited to be heard. I see no public. >> Um, so the next thing is the Kbar mural celebration. Do you want to talk about it at all first, Angela, or should we just have >> I mean, I I can just say holistically, uh, aside from, you know, all of the little bumps in the road, the project start to finish and working with that artist was fantastic. I appreciated very much the professionalism that when there were issues that the artist tried to problem solve themselves before having to come to me with anything. Uh they took care of, you know, permitting. They were conscientious about working with their neighbors. Uh even on some of the parking things, uh cleanliness was fantastic. There were issues where, you know, lift went off of the road and into a bed and had to talk with the neighbors and work itself out. And thus far, everything has worked out really well. So, um, I'm extremely pleased and if ever asked if I would work with that person again, I would highly recommend. So, it was a good decision and I personally think it looks fantastic. of >> we received all the information, materials, maintenance reports, everything on time in an expedient manner and it's just >> that's really great. So >> those of you that were there that came to the um opening, do any of you want to talk about >> popsicles? >> Oh, okay. >> That was a good idea. I can't remember who that was. That was good. sandwiches. I think too >> it was really fun and um the mayor came and she had spoke a few words and it was really nice. >> There were all kinds of people there. Not a huge crowd but all kinds of people. >> It was cool to hear from Osiris R from the artist director. >> Right. Right. >> Scott and I walked walked it. >> Yeah. >> Takes at least five minutes to see it all. >> I know. >> Yeah. It's really nice. Well, anybody else? Cool. Feedback also has been fantastic. So, you know, if you just come and walk upon it and you're going out to dinner, everybody loves it. Or I have I have only heard positive things. >> Yeah. >> I think the test is going to be unity in the community in there. >> Yeah. >> That's next Friday, the 28th from 4 to 8 on Kimbark. >> Oh, >> like right in front of Yeah. that whole >> oh >> um Kimbark and forth Glock area. >> Okay. >> Yeah, there's going to be thousands of people there getting to see it. >> So I think we need a motion. >> We do >> to um accept the project. >> So someone like Scott >> and is there a second Jenny? Thank you. All in favor? >> Yep. Nine. >> I don't know if there are any more people. >> All right. >> Well, it's yours. >> Too late. Too late to return it. >> Oh, darn. We changed our mind. Just kidding. Um, so on to fun with flags. >> Fun with flags. All right, buckle up. >> Uh, thank you first and foremost. Thank you so much for persevering through another uh selection panel. This I'm just going to say I estimated 60. You had 89. 89 was a lot. I went through everyone myself and did the exercise. It took me five and a half and I think it took someone seven. And I I just I know that this was likely far more difficult than any request for qualifications just because of the nature of the project. So, >> thank you for persevering and and and taking special care and attention to this. Um, also thank you Susan for pointing out the balance of the rubric. I think that that is a was a very very uh wise decision and the right thing to do. And uh so from your 89 uh applications you we whittleled it down now to a short list of eight. >> One has withdrawn. >> So on Saturday you will be reviewing seven submissions. >> Okay. Wow. >> Uh the plan of attack is because of the amount of time and this is all you know it's time based to give every every application the same amount of time. Um wait let me back up back back. Um some folks were not able to accomplish uh reviewing all of them. And so thank you very much for just stepping back and the folks who have and were able to go through all of the applications will be sitting on the panel. and folks that were not able or are unable to attend the meeting um will be helping and coming and volunteering. So everybody is given a piece to the you know given given it in. So thank you very much. Um so the way we're going to go about this uh based on our time I have some volunteers who are going to be showing up uh to help set up food at 7:45. Anybody who can come and volunteer, you know, 8 we're going to open the doors at 8:15. um cough at least by 8:15. Um if we can open it a little bit earlier, we absolutely will. Um there will be coffee, tea, juice, yogurt, parfait, um fruit, >> pastries, >> pastries, and past. Angela, I like >> and chocolate, right? And chocolate and chocolate. And some chocolate. Uh I I'm instead of doing individual portions because we just simply do not know how many people are coming, we're just going to have kind of that buffet styleish situation. Um but if anybody really needs breakfast burritos, I'll do it. Uh but that's a plan of attack. Uh >> so uh doors will open at 8:15. I will start promptly at 9 uh with an introduction to the public. We the Rotary has said that they will have members present uh from council Chris Prietto and the mayor are all going to be in attendance and I won't be surprised if we have uh you know decent attendance. So um that is all very exciting as well. >> Which room is it in? >> It's going to be in Kaiser the meeting room down >> downstairs next to the auditorium. Just got it directly. It's the room we usually meet in, >> okay, >> that we will be meeting in in next year. Um, and we tested sound today. We will be passing a microphone. Uh, so there will be there will be that. Um, it gets a little chilly in there, so you may want to bring um like Cardi or something. Uh, so we'll get started uh at 9:00. I'll give a brief introduction to let public know about our process. Uh they will have access to every document you have access to asterisk with the exception of your personal notes that you yourself if you made them. I printed them out for you for you alone. That's yours. Other than that, the public will have access to every piece of paper document. Um and they can look at it and whatever. Uh so then after going through that just introduction piece of it um if there's any clarifying questions I'll take them but other than that we're just going to jump right in. Uh we will go through all seven applications. Uh each selection panel uh we'll have I'm going to say like is like two minutes to address the application. We'll do round robin like we usually do. So I'll start with you and then next time I'll start with you and we'll kind of go that way. uh we're talking about strengths, we're talking about weaknesses per the rubric. Um if there's a comment that needs to happen, um you know, I I would say with discretion, but really sticking to the rubric and sticking to that time. Uh we only have 20 minutes per submission as a panel to discuss. Uh so we'll re review four of them, then we'll take a 10-minute break, breathe. Uh then we'll jump back in, do another three. We'll take a 10-minute break. Breathe. Public invited to be heard has got to be signed up by the end of that break. Um, I would really like it to be done by that first 10-minute break, but we'll see how many public we have. >> Um, and then after that second break, we'll jump into public invited to be heard. Leadership has said that public invited to be heard gets three minutes. Uh, because that's I guess a bit of a standard. So volunteer-wise, I'll have someone with a timer with a computer that has a, you know, large time. We have a bell. It's kind of aggressive, but you know, it's going to be a thing. Um, >> so yeah, we're we're Robert's ruling it, people. Like, we're going to break out of our AIP shell, and we're >> doing it the way. Um, so in the event that uh we have more public invited to be heard than time because we have a hard stop at 1 and a I would say soft soft leading into the hard stop at like 12:45 to kind of close things up. Should we have more public invited to be heard than time, we will formally table the meeting. We'll take the public invited to be heard that are left and I will figure out some way of reconvening on Zoom or recording the rest of public invited to be heard. So the panel has access to that because we are not making any decisions at this meeting. >> This is simply for the expression of the public and for you to discuss amongst yourselves considering that rubric. After all public invited to be heard and you have all of that information, selection panel will go will get access back into the portal and you will go and you will score those seven again and then that'll whittle down to the final three. Does that all make sense? >> Okay. So that's that's the meeting. The next >> Are you anticipating a lot of >> Yeah. Angela, sorry. >> Yeah. No, go ahead. Are you anticipating a lot of >> you know the mural project I was >> surprised >> how many public we had and then uh we weren't ready for like uh the public invited to be heard section to handle it formally. So we did it a little bit more informally wherein we discussed a submission and then immediately after discussing that submission is that right then we went around and said public do you have anything to say about this submission >> and that was not the right way to handle that at all. >> So we're going to go back to the formal way of going about this. Um, so Angela is absolutely anticipating lots of people. We're set up for what, 40. We're prepared for 60. >> If it's more than that, well, we're just going to snuggle up, Buttercup. >> Yeah. >> Are the artists going to be there? The seven artists, >> they have been uh every single applicant has been alerted that they will be receiving the status of their application tomorrow. >> Okay. and they they have been alerted of this meeting. Uh the paper times call will be there. Um and we have uh mentioned it on social media. We do have an RSVP link. We have not been wholly successful of getting people to actually RSVP to our meetings. So we have no way of knowing. Mhm. >> Remind us how it's publicized like beyond the reach that you just spoke to like the artist >> the comm's team was given a press release and then um disseminated information that way. >> Got >> uh because the meeting is a discussion and isn't uh a decision isn't being formally made or motion. It's still a public meeting. Mhm. >> Um but you know we didn't make posters or put them out that way. >> Yeah. >> So it is an AIP meeting. >> It is >> okay. >> An agenda is posted. We will have minutes. We will need to bring the meeting to order. We will need to call roll >> all of those pieces and all of those parts. Um and then so that's the meeting piece of it. Uh next steps after that will be uh once we get all of the public invited to be heard and you have all of that information selection panel will go back into the portal. The portal will utilize rubric to come up with those three. We'll have three plus backup. Those three then will receive the scope of work. will be either in agre agreeable to the scope of work and then we'll move forward with the design timeline um and then after that design timeline it will go to public for public opinion and somewhere in there I think I said it last time the North American Vexalological Association would like to have a forum with our candidates to either either assess their design midstream or inform them of good design before they go into it. And so um I think our our community might be really interested in that. I doubt that we will have anyone from the association uh travel here, but it sure could be something fun that we could do online and have hi smiley face in the Steuart auditorium and have it on the screen. But I have not spoken to Justin about that and we don't have the timeline for that. >> Also in the flag bits before we move on to the next section is the Vexalological Association would like to feature our project because we have done this in a more correct manner rather than just going out and saying, "Hey, make a design and throw it at us and we'll pick one." because we're going about it uh a qualification and finding a qualified applicant and then having a community informed design. They would like to feature us at their October meeting on Saturday, October 3rd at 1 1:00. I'm pointing at you like I didn't write it down, Eric. Uh and so if there are a couple of folks Sean certainly of course uh would like to join us in that meeting. >> How fun. >> Where this is wonderful >> online zoom. >> Where are they located then? >> Uh it's for their membership. So the membership is all over but I don't know where exactly. That's a good question. Where is the association located? Not sure >> but it'll be >> the whole meeting is their whole meeting is online. Oh that's so great. I'm so excited for us. >> Does anybody want to if you're interested in attending that meeting on October the 3rd at >> 1. >> Okay. >> You want to raise your hand? >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> It's a Saturday. >> And it is a Saturday. >> Jenny and Britt and Jennifer. Did I get everybody? Eric's going. Yep. >> Randy. Cool. All right. Awesome. Yeah, it should be fun. I don't know if we'll um get a like recording or whatnot, but I'll request it. Um but it's it's great that the Vexological Association would like to counsel our designers or at least help them in a redesign. >> Angela, this is high praise for you for the pro for your design and process. It really is. >> It's this body. This body made that decision. This this body decided about how to go about this process. >> You did load leg work at least. Let's say thank you. >> And your your idea for it. We just looked at it and went, "Okay, that sounds good." >> I think >> it's the it's the public art process and it's it's a good one. >> It is a good one. Okay. So, I have a question which is who else is on the selection panel besides us? you uh you Sean and then our city brand manager uh uh Rachel Henderson is coming in as a subject matter expert. She is a total flag design nerd >> and oh self admitted which is great. Uh and she has she works for the comm's team which is wonderful as well. uh she has excuse me uh smart decisions, smart ideas uh because she watches other flag designs in other communities >> about what what system to use for the community poll. So, she's Johnny on the spot with that. >> Okay, good. >> Uh but she's the brand manager, so she knows >> lots of things uh the differences between symbolism and like logo design. >> Okay, great. She's a good person. >> So the Rotary is not having a Are they having a selection panel member? >> Good question. The Rotary was uh invited to go through this process and review 89 applications and politely declined. >> So they will be in attendance uh at the meeting as participating as as public. >> I can't believe they don't like process. These are people that join an organization. >> I'm telling you, 89's a lot. Yeah, >> maybe. So, >> that was a lot. I don't think anybody saw that go. I didn't see that go. >> And I'm still getting emails of people who are like throwing their hat in the ring. >> And it wasn't It was open for less than >> No, it was a full month. >> A month. I was But even that is, >> you know, like a lot of people don't hear about the thing and then they're like, "Oh my god." Like that's impressive. >> Yeah. >> It's pretty good. So, all right. So any other questions about meeting bits and next steps? Yes. >> Um so I had a question regarding the public feedback and how are we going to >> Good question. >> So the recording piece of it uh we are going to have the meeting as a Zoom meeting and I'm going to record the Zoom meeting. We tested the microphone today. It's as good as it can be. You each are going to have a packet that I can't share with you quite yet because I need you to make decisions before I share your packets. >> I know. Uh but you will be able to take all the notes that you want about the public feedback. I would advise as related to the rubric. Right. >> Right. So uh the rubric is the next step and uh I think we can go about it one of two ways. We can use the existing rubric with the double category number one and the others but all of the fields exactly the same. Or we can use my updated rubric that I had some smarty pants in my office look at and she and I agreed that it's pretty good which basically does is structured the same way but acknowledges the fact that we're talking about the strongest of the group and how is it that we're going to distill and pull out which applications are actually stronger than others. This is going to be available to the public and we're going to encourage them when it comes to their comments to make comments that are related to the rubric because then in that discussion you'll be able to dis think about those comments when you yourself are voting. >> Okay. So that's how we integrate public comment. >> So all the public comments have been made. No, we have don't we have another step after the meeting? >> So So we do have the comments, the feedback, the sentiment that the community has given us to give to the designers. Oh, I was going to make you a word cloud. I'll make you a word cloud for Saturday. Uh we do have all of the sentiment >> that they're giving to the designers. >> Yes. >> But that's not for you for jurying. Jur judging. How is this one different? Is it's still weighted in the >> It's weighted exactly the same. >> It's just worded different. >> It's worded differently and it's instead of where the bottom score is inadequate emerging, right? None of those made it to your top. Right? >> So, I'm going to pass this out. >> This is just a work in progress. If we feel we this body needs to change this rubric now. Now now is the time to change rubric for round two. >> Does that make sense? I took my best stab at it. So we have somewhere to start. >> Yeah. >> Um the public has not gone through the process. They have not spent five and a half hours. They have this will be their first introduction to our metric. Um, so I think that the public invited to be heard section, the pieces that are pertinent are related to the metric that you'll be judging. Does there need to be a well the public said I can't stand that artist's design aesthetic because it's violent looking to me and that is, you know, or something like that, right? Because they're not judging the actual flag design. They're judging the quality of the applicant. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Which is the crux of this whole thing. >> Which is the >> Because what 60 70% had flag design. >> Yeah. >> If I had to guess. Yeah. >> But the majority of them one way or the other are presenting to you a graphic design package. Whether or not it is a flag design doesn't matter. >> Yeah. It's how well are they for graphic artists and how well do they answer the question how are you designer going to incorporate this community feedback into your design because if they did a a design of a flag doesn't matter because that is an uninformed design. Now all of a sudden they're going to get all this community feedback and every single person said I want the long monster and they're like oh dude I was not going to put a long monster on there but now I have to. I'm making that up obviously but you know >> 50% >> only 50% said that um >> you know so so the the visual design piece then how are you going to incorporate that community feedback and also how how have you spent time considering this project looking through the lens of flag design principles. I know this is so hard. Well, hey, 2026 is the year of Angela's education. >> Miseducation of Angela Bro, >> right? >> No. So, again, this is just this is the place where I started. >> I'll put it up on the >> That's fine. >> I did my best to make the font size big enough even though it's not big enough for me. That's great. >> There in the dark, not lit side. >> Thank you. >> They like uh if anybody wants the old rubric, I can also hand it to you if you need to compare and contrast. And I'll throw it up here too in case it's tricky to see. >> So we're just dealing with five to 10 now. You said correct? >> Yes. The scoring is the same. But you'll see and this is where it just it just gets tricky. So is made I made a I made a range and I didn't break it down into bullets of what every individual would need. So on your um on the left hand most one >> left hand it says high of 10, low five, but in the column below it goes all the way down to one. >> Right. Good. Just seeing if you know there's >> 10 more tests in there. >> Okay. Okay. So, just to be clear, >> yes, >> this is what we're using when we >> when we are looking at the seven >> a after. So, this is what you're going to be having in front of you during the discussion >> and once we have heard all the public invited to be heard and the portal opens back up, >> you'll be utilizing this rubric. >> Okay. >> Okay. the public will also receive. Now, and when I say this, I mean the version of this that y'all agree on today. If you have edits, if you want to start over, now's the time for having that. And just to clarify, the rubric will also inform our discussion like our little two to three minute blurb. >> Yep. >> Okay. So when you when I give you your packet and you'll be review, you know, you'll have some time, not a lot of time, but you'll have a day >> to uh to just look at those. You'll see the comments that you made if if you made comments and you'll be looking then through the lens of this rubric for what are the strengths of these seven applications, what are the weaknesses as applied to this. You may see ch the way that these selection panels often work is you know you've gone through 89 your brain is like mushy at this point right and here we are we have this small the small group and Eve will say something about application number one of the strength of the narrative that I just didn't see and it makes so much sense to me >> and that informs then >> me for next time around and so I write in my packet and I you know didn't you something that I just didn't notice before. But >> same thing, >> unlikely that it'll be me, but >> okay. Yeah, good questions. >> I like a couple of the clarifications that you've made that I struggled with in the first. Like I like that it's pretty clear that now we're looking at the whole body >> and not just well I really liked this one or you know. So that's good. And I really like the adjustment in the middle one. Okay. >> Um, the top score because something that was hanging me up on the first time around is there was one final piece that was like and they include what they're going to do if people don't agree and almost nobody answered, >> right? And so I'm glad you removed that because that >> it didn't make sense. >> Complicated. >> Yep. In hindsight because it's so 2020 especially in this one and even as we go forward and looking at adjustments we can make with the public art process. I think having the rubric in the call for entry could be really helpful for somebody. >> Yeah, >> true. >> I agree. >> Because, you know, if you're an applicant and let's face it, in this one, you know, it's not public artists, >> it's it's Johnny Q public who's applying and they are so focused on the visual component that they that they didn't really think about what they were putting in the narrative so much. Um, >> we didn't probably realize that this was how we were going to evaluate it. >> But if they would have, would it have changed their mind? Needless to say, we asked the question. >> I was just going to say that >> the question applies for a job and then they show up. I'm like, well, I'm here, >> right? Well, it's also like applying for a grant, too. Yeah. It's like you have to answer all of the questions. It's like the syllabus that you read the syllabus and it tells you your assignment and then you get to the end and it says don't worry you don't have to do the assignment and everybody comes in with their book report the next day and >> so no you didn't read the the syllabus right >> so we we asked the question answer the question >> and there's maybe an argument to giving like a more straightforward declarative statement of applications will be scored based on xxx and those are kind of the rubric categories >> sure Yes, you know, like and that would be not really giving away our hand, if you will. >> Especially with AI now, we don't really want someone to be able to just like play to >> our our measurements in a way, right? We want to feel like they're the right fit, not that they're fitting themselves. >> Such all very good points. Speaking of call for participation, here it is. >> This was the original. This is I I cut down trees today. >> You killed a lot of them. >> I did. >> Short one. >> It's okay. We don't have a lip cut. >> I apologize. It's over. Okay. >> Oh, I mean I'll go ahead and say I don't think the first rubric is relevant to this round because it has like you said those bottom out kind of scorings where >> it it's like a pretty negative connotation to I mean well and these kind of like establishing that okay basic basic strong but not recommended not the right fit or not fully developed without um putting it forward as like a um emerging you know. Yeah, >> that that's at least my take on it. >> Yeah. >> I mean, to choose the strongest of seven out of 89 that all scored on average, right? About the same. Got to start looking for the depth. >> Yeah. >> Good. Where is the depth of the ability? Where is the where is this person going to be able to take that community feedback, especially if they don't agree with it, >> and produce something? And then also, and I don't know if this is a good time to bring in the the AI component of this, in our original call for entry, it does say no AI generated. No AI generated. And so we reached out to our colleagues uh in in museums and public art of how they're approaching that. Really the I think the consensus was we need to ask how is it that you used AI? do we do a do and dos and don'ts like you know please use AI uh in your research but when it comes to the designing piece of it it cannot be an AI generated image >> and we'll use industry standard tools to assess set image um because in our in our call for participation it says AI generated images will be disqualified >> we didn't say that for what their applications that AI imagery and their qualified entry wasn't allowed. We set it for the final. So, there's that. >> All right. So, rubric. Fun times, huh? >> I like this one. Yeah. We go forward with the second one. >> It's structured well and it there's clear definition difference between the top, middle, and bottom. So that's clear to understand. I think so. The framework is is good. The concept's good. I think it's >> it's not too far off of what you've been working with. So I didn't completely change the rules of the road on you. >> Right. Okay. >> Should we use submission across all of the references in the criterion? Like the only one we see is strength of the application. >> Okay. Yes. submission instead of Yep. >> because it is a lot of words. The criterion I wish we could pare it down a little more. I just can't. I don't have the magic >> answer for that. >> Okay. >> But really important that people comprehend what that means. Well, and that might be an opportunity um maybe during the break that if anybody is agreeable or even volunteers to be at the check-in desk and have a do you have questions? >> Oh yeah. >> So during the break before they go into public invited to be heard say if you have questions please come and talk to us. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, um, city council is going to choose out of the three which one to adopt. >> Yes. So, we are after the poll happen or the I'm sorry rather after your round two and you get those three final because they've scored the highest. Those three and the existing flag are going to go out for a public opinion poll. Okay. >> The public is going to say their opinion >> and then we're going to take that opinion and bring it back to city council and say >> here are the this is the put them through the process. >> No, I will tell you what I will tell you one other thing. We have this thing called mayhem at our school for for homecoming. And guess who's on the banner and flag committee for the freshmen? So I showed all the Coopers uh fun with flags and then I showed them the design thing about what good design for flag is. >> I have my um >> but I have been living this thing. >> We can all get tattoos. >> Temporary tattoos. >> Okay. Tempor Oh, temporary tattoos is actually great. Unless it's the old one and it's like AIP failed. >> No. >> No. Okay. So, okay. So, then public opinion poll to city council and city council can choose to adopt add another layer like no AIP. You have to decide >> conversation for two hours. >> Yeah. easily >> end up about where you started. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, there are people who have a lot of questions. >> Yeah. >> Have all the PMS numbers for all the flag colors ready. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> On the um communication. >> Uhhuh. The samples provided can be the applicant's initial concepts for flag designs. Please note, if the applicant is selected to continue through the process as a semi- finalist, the initial flag designs will not be considered >> the applicant's final submission. So, they they'll resubmit. >> They have to because they have to use that community information that we've gathered to inform their design >> because that's what council told us to do. >> Y Angela, um I'm looking for just a little clarification. The very last box, the um >> where it the last sentence is or they failed to provide a usable framework for future design >> for for >> impact. >> It's impact level description one. >> No, I know. How should that read? It should I know what I'm trying to say. >> Not totally sure what it means. Um, so they either, so when we're asking about the good flag design, >> if they did incorporate or did not incorporate at all the how it is that they're going to utilize the flag design and so they failed to provide >> any sort of explanation of how they will >> be utilizing Okay. >> So, I just need to reward that. >> Take the word future out. Just put flag design. >> Exactly. >> Proposed design >> for the usable framework for a flag design. >> The the proposed design that >> for just take out the future flag. >> Okay. >> Okay. That helps a lot. >> Does that make sense? >> Yes, it does. >> I thought I was like, well, if we can't just take this and design any flag anytime, >> right? No, no, no, no. That makes sense. I see. >> Do this exercise every two years. This isn't being >> It is. It's very complicated. >> I can't wait till we pick one and then we can make patches just like Chicago has cuz my friend's from Chicago and she's like, "Oh yeah, we have an amazing flag." >> And like you could put water bottles. That's going to be awesome. Chicago this weekend and I didn't see a flag anywhere. >> Really? Yeah. I was in the city. Well, approximately 60% of our um submissions have the Chicago Star. >> So, your chances are >> pretty good. >> Hoping >> nobody got the lawn monster memo except for me. >> Okay. So, how do we feel about moving forward with this with amendments as suggested? Definitely >> we just vote or let's vote just for the for the >> everybody with >> that. Do we need a formal do rubric? >> Yeah, let's do a formal. >> Yep. Someone likes anybody asks. >> The the only question I have for the for each thing you know the first one the top box 8 to 10. >> Yep. >> I know I didn't do it into bullets. >> What differentiates an eight a nine or a 10? I don't know. I think it would be like a it's like a scale, right? You feel like it belongs in this category, but where does it fall on the scale? Is it >> super crushing it in the category or is it barely kind of making it in? >> Okay, does that make sense? >> Like it's a gradation if you pick too many choices. >> That's good, Michelle. Good. >> Yeah. >> And the problem is because I played out the math and if I take this scale down to a seven, we're never going to get to three, >> right? Envy, I don't want to add another. >> No, I would I would just go one >> 3 2 1 3 2 1 3 I don't know. >> If we end up having to do the yes, no, maybe I I'll force your hand, but I prefer not to. It's better when there's just nice good clean math. Granted, somebody's going to fail by a tenth of a point, >> right? It's really So that's why this needs to be >> We're all nuanced. >> A lot of numbers. >> It is a lot of >> It's a higher quantity so you get more detail. >> That's right. Data. >> Yep. >> Fun times. >> I went to art school, so math. Excuse me. >> Okay. Math is >> I think we still need a motion. >> We do need a motion if we're moving forward. >> It's not Thursday. Anybody have other questions or comments before we take a motion? >> I don't know. Anybody is anybody unsure or not confident? >> I just >> I I don't know. I just don't feel >> All right. I guess I just have to meditate on this. I don't I don't I don't know the difference between I I'm not clear on what the difference is going to be between >> the clear structured methodology and the uh broad or generic methodology just right this minute that's how I'm I am looking at this going like >> now there's a math problem here two to three on the >> oh that's just going to be three So sorry. Okay, >> good call. >> Oh, good catch. >> Good catch. >> Yeah, good catch. >> See, I told you there's number two. >> Where? >> You can't do two and three and then one and two, >> right? >> You could, but it would be confusing. >> That's right. There you go. >> That's right. >> Oh, yeah. That's a problem. >> Does that So, good. That does bring up a good question, though. See, that's an art. Uh, does the top on the on the category 2 and category 3 does the top need to be five and does the middle need to be 43 and the bottom be 21? Well, what about >> total score of six in those horizontal >> one and then two three four five >> fine >> because basic is >> basic I so the bottom one >> although it's going to be a little different over on the other with the >> with the uh one that we do up to 10. Yeah, >> but that's a double that's a double situation. And now we're not now it's not just 2 4 6 8 10. Now it is quite literally 1 to 10. Right. >> They they're >> they're booked. >> Um Okay. So we're waiting the we're waiting the all the the work samples >> the >> more heavily >> the bal it's balanced now between narrative and visual. >> Okay, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. >> Because there's 10 points for narrative, >> right? >> And 10 points for visual. >> Okay. Y >> I don't I don't know if this is appropriate, but thinking of Jennifer's your feedback about not knowing where a narrative response would fall in this scale, is it worth or appropriate? Is it worth our time andor appropriate for us to um like discuss in a general sense without any individual application in mind? like what does it look like to really paint a detailed picture of incorporating community feedback like basically give a >> an example >> um example of each >> type y >> of at least from the narrative perspective >> I don't know I don't know if that's too much >> um group discussion over things that are going to be made you know decisions that are going to be made individually >> well it's we we can we can try to we could try doing that and see if it gives us any clarity and structure or we can just go on like okay I'll know it when I see it you know that kind of which is not really quantifiable >> my hope is that this will iron out when we are having the actual discussion of the act so submission number one comes up >> I'm going to flip through the images and I'm going to read out loud the narrative y'all going to be looking at it and thinking and all stuff and then we're going to do the roundroin and we're going to start and we're going to go and there will be seven people who are commenting on that and the submission will happen over the submission review will be over 20 minutes. My question is is that sufficient to know what success looks like? >> I don't know the answer. >> Well, I'm thinking it through. As long as each of us is consistent in our own understanding, I don't think it matters. I don't think you and I have to have exactly the same as long as I'm exactly the same with all of the candidates. I think that should work. So, I think >> the question is not do we all agree and know what it looks like. It's >> can you come up in your mind with something and and keep it consistent. I think that's it. >> And I agree with that. Like we want to have our own unique perspectives and opinions maybe. >> But we all can maybe revisit the questions and ask ourselves what it looks like. >> Yes. >> Before we're blindsided with it on Saturday or something in front of you. >> Because one of the things we saw a lot is um in the part about the flag um vex >> vexalological. >> Yeah. That thing um a lot of people would just regurgitate exactly. They googled what what it is and they would just regurgitate. So I think you have to determine where on your rubric. >> Okay. >> Does regurgitation fall? Is it a five? As long as it's always that. >> Yeah, that sounds good. >> Anybody else? >> So you're going to go with four and five at the top, two and three at the middle, and one at the bottom. >> That's what I have. Yes. And then we're we're changing future to >> to flag >> flag >> and sub anywhere that there's application or applicant is going to be submission. >> Right. So just we have >> All right. So I move to accept this current the second uh rubric with the discussed changes. >> Thank you. >> Second Susan. >> Let's vote. All in favor? Eight. Nine. >> Sorry. Any Beatles fans in here every time. >> Number nine. >> You love You do love evangel. >> Okay. So, now >> comes the more trees. >> Come on. More trees. More trees. Did anybody not get a a original call for participants? Okay. Uh the only difference between your packets again is that uh is that if you made comments, I included them for you. the comments in the cafe >> that you yourself did and that is >> the money that's going to be given to the three finalist for them to make design the make actually produce the flag or is that >> to f to actually fabricate the flag we will do that okay so this is just here you go you want money yeah which is good Yeah. >> All right. Um, this is public information as of present. Couple things that you will notice. I did not include names on the top of these. I didn't do it. I I left them with the two numbers, the call ID number and the artist ID number. Um those of you that will be going back into round two in the portal um on the left side, you know, you'll you'll see the call number and their numbers and things like that. If you hit the top tab, it will reorder um so they are uh numerically smallest to largest. >> So we should reorder them. >> Yep. We'll be reviewing it smallest to largest and on Saturday. I mean, I could log in, but it's really I'll show you exactly where that happens. >> You said smallest to largest. By artist ID or call ID? >> Uhhuh. >> Sorry. >> By artist ID? No, I'm sorry. By call ID. Call ID. So, yeah, it's a real pain in the the 2D because it's 40 469,000. No, whatever that is. Art uh >> 4 million. 4 million >> 600 million. >> I wish there was I I don't think there is a way to filter by artist ID. It was either that or alphabetical. So, I chose artist ID number. Um, but it does it itself. So, you don't have to worry when it comes to putting them in order. It's just a it's a click of the mouse. Uh, so we will start with the smallest number. I also will uh recreate uh your Google sheet and your Excel spreadsheet for your numbering. Uh but I also did make this little guy in the back that is in order. So if you wanted to make some notes here or of course for public invited to be heard, they have will have access to this too. Just write all over this. this is a record, a public record. So, I love Johnny or you know those kinds of things. If there's a records request and I have to hand it over like just know that all your notes could end up in the hands of whatever. Um, anybody have any questions about packet? I will send this to you digitally as well as the score sheets so you'll have I'll send it to you tonight so you have it and you can look at it um and actually blow some of these finishes up will be more helpful >> and the updated rubric >> and the updated rubric. >> So I'll go when I go home I'll do all of that. >> Okay. I feel really good about this. >> You should. >> Yeah. Um, I think we've addressed even the my one little concern and Eric came to my office and I laid down on the couch and got a cold glass of water and walk through all of that. No, I think it's going to be great. Uh, you know, if we end up with 250 people, we're just going to all snuggle up inside Kaiser Seat. Uh there is there is a uh a rental in the museum afterwards and because of the tech stuff we just committed to Kaiser C because it's best for these kinds of meetings. It's just >> the auditorium is not conducive for these kinds of meetings just not >> what about but we really can't how many will the fire marshall that be in that room? We can't >> it's a it's a number >> 80 I think. >> Okay. So having two arts learn how to recognize those. >> I actually do love fractions. That's why I do such a good job hanging hanging. >> No. So um as for then fun with flags. >> Okay, here we go. >> That's it. >> Question. >> Yes. because I probably won't be able to be there at the beginning. So, I'm going to volunteer to help facilitate. But >> so, who's if I was able to be there at the beginning, I would be on the panel. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Y got you. How many panelists? >> Seven. >> We have eight. >> Seven panelists and seven entries. >> I got eight. >> Eight. I was seeing if you could count. >> Eight. >> Eight panelists. Seven. >> Do you want me to read them? >> Sorry. It's Yeah, you can. Go ahead. I've got Rachel, Sean, Teresa, Rhonda, Susan, Michelle, Scott, and me. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is that right? That's right. >> So, you and I are volunteering or what? >> And Jenny. >> And I Iris completed um scoring but is unable to make it. You completed scoring. It's up to you if you can if you can make it. But you got to be that's part of the thing. You got you all >> have all But let me know. >> Okay. Okay. No pressure. >> I mean and and also I think it's important to note that after this meeting on Saturday, the vast bulk of your responsibility in this project will be complete. So >> yeah, >> you know, there will not be that next which usually is part of selection. There's another meeting, >> right? But it's just the one. >> So we'll just be reviewing on the on the portal. And then and then that recommendation will go to city council. >> Yeah. Well, I mean Sean gets the whole piece of history. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Either way. >> Either way. >> Good. >> And we are still including the old one though like along with the three >> with public opinion. Yes. >> The public opinion part is the part I like the best. I'm kidding. Hey, >> we're like we're all like >> it's it's the repetitiveness of it that just really makes you feel so good. >> I really wish I had that word cloud for you. >> I like make a word cloud but leave out these words. >> It's all good. >> Okay. >> Okay. moving right along. >> Okay. Well, time for your administrative report. >> Oh my gosh. Right. I'm sorry, y'all. I'm just talking. Uh I'm just going to give you the updates of the updates. Um the museum is having its large fundraiser on Friday the 11th of September. I am here to gauge interest and folks who would like to attend and possibly have an art and public places table. We had one last year. Um if we have enough people to fill an eight, we can do an eight or a 10. Um then, uh the fundraiser folks can accommodate the table benefits. So I think there's like fancy drinks and champagne and things like that. So um it's going to be a good time. It's back to history. Back to the history. >> Back to the future. To the future history. >> The future of history is back to the future. We have a Delorean. Really? >> And you get to sit in it. >> Wow. I know. So, uh, yeah. So, I'm here to gauge. Is there interest? Just people want to let me know if they're interested in attending the fundraiser. Um, look at your calendars and let me know. >> We're going to be out of time. Just I know it's for sure. >> I know. I'm going to be out of town. >> A blast last year, but it is really fun. Okay. >> I'm sorry to miss it this year because I'm going to be >> good. Okay. So, if if there is, just let me know. And if not and you're attending, um we'll make sure that we put you with some very fun people. All right. Uh art walk then is Saturday the 12th of September. So, the very next morning uh or very next day, uh we will be having two tents. Uh we are not doing a giant community um created piece of artwork this year because we've been kind of busy. Uh the plan is to display shock art boxes and of course flag information. Uh and then we have just a curriculum where kiddos can cut out a piece of paper and design their own shock art box and then glue it and be sent home with their own little shock art box. So, a setup is usually at 300 p.m. Uh, Brit and I will be there. Justin Beach will be there. Um, and it usually goes from 4 to 8. And then, uh, breakdown is from 8 until 9. Is there anybody who's interested in coming and chilling or at least stop by? That's the other thing. Um, and if you don't like the idea for making your own little shock art, um, we could do button making again, too, which is always popular. >> Any big thoughts about art walk? >> It's really fun. I'm going to give it an up vote. It was fun last year. >> That was fun last year. >> Even through like thunderstorms and fairies. >> Oh, that's right. >> It was next level. >> See, so it wasn't boring. A lot something to do the whole time. time. I mean, we were obviously handing out paint brushes and paints and stuff. >> It was super fun. >> It was very Yeah, the whole um I'm glad we brought weights so we're not like holding down metal tents in a thunderstorm. >> Weights important. Um Okay. Well, so put that on your calendar, too. And I will be sending all of these >> out to you. Um, I have had a number of artists, one in particular, who is really would really like you to consider their piece of art on the move for purchase. So, I promised that I would bring it up nice and early while the weather is beautiful uh to go and just explore and enjoy and investigate your art on the move and see if there's something that is really exciting to you. Um, I know that Brit passed it around, but we can pass it around again. Uh, we did complete the map and tour uh brochure. It is going, it's in print and so we'll have it, of course, for Sundance. Also has the QR code which lends uh leads to the online map and the online tour and the audio pieces are coming into play. We have both Spanish and English. So, um it's a really nice resource and we're visit Longmont. Super excited about uh they love having maps. Um also, they just came out with their new visitors guide. I don't know if you have seen this. It just came out. And oddly enough, when you go to the art and culture page, who is the poster child of art and culture in Longmont? But but art and public places, of course. So, like front and center. um which is very nice and I was very pleased with the QR code that it lent it sent it back to visit but then it broke out park and culture into sending you to the various places that you're actually looking to reach. So great resource. I think it looks very nice. on the visit Longmont site, there's a spot for you to take a kind of a a little um thing to get certified and you get a a a you get a long monster >> pen >> and doing that >> with people going to >> with some coming you're you become kind of a an ambassador to >> that which I mean that would be the logical thing for you folks. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, that's real nice. >> Uh, so anyway, so please do go enjoy your art on the move and >> right here. >> It's I know the name. What's the name of it? Visit >> Longmont. Inside >> I don't think that's it. Inst, but I can't remember. Um, >> that's as bad as me saying there's a number. It starts with a letter. >> There's definitely a number. >> There's a letter. It's a word. >> Bing, you are the worst. >> That's not it. That's visible. Oh, no. It's >> there's visit.org >> confidence. >> Confidence. Stellar. >> I can find it in a sec. We don't need to pause the whole meeting for this, but I can find it because I have to do. >> Okay. Well, there is spiritual inspiration. >> Yeah, it wasn't nearly as intuitive as I'd have liked it to. >> No, I can't find it. >> The Longmont Learning Lab. >> Yes, I knew it started out >> where >> they're promoting it like in their newsletters. I don't think they're giving it like spotlight attention on the um it's not really >> but it's basically like you do it and you learn about Longmont's history and you basically become a more like informed >> awesome >> you know resident it's like a mini course my coworker did it from through the tourism office tourism >> start the course and then you did >> okay >> Oh wow >> all right >> did you consult on this Eric >> um I I think they tapped my book. I don't know. >> But did you get your credit? >> Cool. Um and then the last but not least with the uh flag project finally kind of coming to a place where yes, >> the schedule is more predictable. I will be revisiting project timeline. Some of you who have been patiently, patiently, patiently waiting for your project to come up, I will be tapping you about your schedules. I recognize people get busy in the fall and we will just we'll get back to we'll get back to that. But um yeah, I hope we can jump on lots of things that have been waiting in the wings. Um donation, location, all kinds of stuff. Museum. The museum. >> Yeah, the museum. Yeah. >> Okay. Um, and with that, that's really that's really all I got. I did take a slight hiatus in August, so there was a little bit I could do some stuff. >> Uh, we have some, uh, pieces that are on our maintenance list to address that. I need to get bids and quotes. >> Yep. >> Are we going to get our little ant taken care of? bronze needs to be waxed. Even though it's too hot right now, but I'll be interested to see. Usually happens in September, but I don't think >> it's too hot. >> Yeah, it is. >> It might end up being one of those things that turns into a springtime thing rather than a fall thing. It's always It's always been fall, but um springing mess with moisture. >> Yeah. All right. And that's what I got. Unless anybody has questions. Anybody have comments? >> Well, we had some work done on our house and we had to be out of the house for over 24 hours, including all animals. So, we checked into the new hotel. >> We did. And um it was very nice. It's I don't know if anybody had stayed in the room we were in. There's some things they're still working on. not working on so much, but little details that need attention. But really, it's worth it. There's art everywhere in every hall, every elevator, every room. It is really spectacular. >> And just as Sean said, the upstairs is really beautiful. We did not eat dinner up there or breakfast, but we did go up there and walk around. And it was on a really, really smoky day, so we could not see such a great view, but it was still really fun. Awesome. >> So, I think it's really worth taking friends or going up there for a special occasion or whatever you want to do. Just go in there and look around and see it. Very nice. >> Nice. >> And it was not real expensive. And there's only one dog feed. So, we you can have two dogs for $50 >> no matter how long you stay. >> Oh, >> a miracle. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> They're having their grand opening on the 27th. Yes, I Yes, I've got that in my >> at like 4ish. >> That's it. That's it. Thursday. >> A week from today, right? Yeah. >> And then there's unity in the community. >> You're a busy man. >> Yeah. >> This time of year, >> this is a season. >> All right. There's unity in the community 27th through 28th. 28th Friday. >> Yeah. So that might be, you know, a good time for people if you wanted to go and try look at the, you know, get a order and a drink to get a feel for. >> Yeah. >> Cool. Anybody else comments, concerns? >> Feed you Saturday. >> All right. We need a motion to adjourn. Unless you want to spend the night. >> Thank you. Well, >> should we all vote? All in favor? I guess we should.