"Are We Stumbling Into Civil War? The Truth Behind Tulsi, Obama & Hunter Biden"
Watch on YouTubeVideo summary
The podcast opens with a heated discussion regarding former National Intelligence Director Tulsi Gabbard's allegations against Barack Obama, accusing him of treason for allegedly orchestrating a years-long coup to undermine Donald Trump through Russian collusion hoaxes. The host argues that while prosecuting the case is necessary to prove or disprove these claims publicly, imprisoning President Obama could dangerously spike the odds of civil war in America. This tension highlights a broader fear that hyper-polarization and the "red team vs. blue team" mentality are driving citizens toward existential conflict over issues like economic inequality and debt, where people feel they have no choice but to find someone to blame rather than addressing systemic failures or feeling secure about their children's futures. The conversation shifts to international affairs, focusing on President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine facing massive domestic protests due to his refusal to seek an end to the war and attacks on anti-corruption bodies linked to Hunter Biden. The host draws a controversial historical parallel between Zelensky and Winston Churchill during World War II, suggesting that just as Churchill allegedly manipulated events like the sinking of the Lusitania to bring America into the conflict, Zelensky may be willing to make extreme moral compromises or "kidnap his own people" to secure funding and maintain control. This comparison extends to a critique of far-right figures on *Jubilee*, who were described as emotionally unhinged and lacking logical arguments in their debates about fascism and the Israel-Palestine conflict, often relying solely on emotion rather than reasoned discourse. A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to dystopian policies emerging globally, particularly in the UK's trial for individual carbon credits which ration daily allowances for food, travel, and heating based on CO2 emissions. The host expresses deep concern that such measures will disproportionately harm poor populations by forcing them onto cheap, unhealthy diets high in carbohydrates while penalizing red meat, potentially leading to long-term epigenetic damage and health crises exacerbated by Big Pharma's reliance on treating chronic illnesses caused by these dietary restrictions. This selective prosecution of climate solutions is contrasted with the lack of action against fast fashion or other major pollution sources, illustrating a system where elites believe they know best and are willing to impose totalitarian control under the guise of saving the planet. Finally, the discussion covers technological advancements in artificial intelligence, specifically Elon Musk's announcement that xAI aims to build a supercluster containing 50 million H100-equivalent units within five years. The host marvels at this scale, noting that current AI growth rates are doubling or tripling every year and predicting that robots will soon be ubiquitous enough to replace many white-collar jobs, rendering warnings from figures like Mike Rowe obsolete by the mid-2020s. Despite Musk's immense business achievements and maniacal drive to push boundaries—such as moving servers without proper tools—the host notes his polarizing political stance, while also addressing Hunter Biden's recent interview where he defended crack cocaine over other drugs and attacked establishment Democrats like George Clooney in an attempt to rehabilitate his legacy for a potential future run.
Read the full video transcript
DNI Tulsi Gabbard is calling Obama out
for treason. Zelensky is facing large
protests in Ukraine. The UK is doing a
nightmarish test of individual carbon
credits. Hunter Biden goes completely
rogue on Channel 5. France declares X an
organized gang and starts wiretapping
their employees. The far right looked
completely unhinged on a recent episode
of Jubilee debate. And Elon plans to
build a 50 million unit supercluster AI
of course in the next 5 years.
That would be insane. But the thing that
is on absolutely everybody's lips, Drew,
is is Obama going to go to prison?
Prison might be a stretch, but Tulsi
Gabbard went on the Fox News Channel
circuit. She released some damning
evidence that directly puts it at
Obama's feet that he started the Russian
collusion hoax. This is
>> as a way to undermine the Trump
presidency. The fact that we had in
President Obama
and his leadership team,
people who did not want to accept the
will of the American people in electing
Donald Trump in 2016
and therefore cooked up this treasonous
conspiracy to again try to effectively,
and they did effectively launch a
years-long coup against the sitting
president of the United States. There
are no guarantees in life, but if you
put Obama in prison, guilty or not, you
are going to spike your odds of a civil
war so dramatically. Prosecute the case,
you prove to the American people that
this either really did happen or they
get a chance to clear their name.
But let's say that it is a conviction.
Like obviously he did it, everybody's
convinced.
You don't put him in prison. At that
point, for the love of your country,
you've got to
destroy his legacy for sure. You've got
to make it known what he did, for sure.
But, dude,
you've got to find some way where this
man does not end up in a cell. Like,
that is so wild. And if people cannot
see, one, that the odds that the people
of America just start fighting with each
other, they're already blind. But, two,
that is going to be used against you
when you lose power, and you will lose
power at some point. And they are going
to come after you so hard. And then, it
goes from seeming existential to
literally being existential.
And And it's like
every time I turn around, there's just
another thing, whether it's passing the
big beautiful bill and continuing to
rack up the debt, or now this, or the
fact, if they really did do it, uh if
the Obama administration really is
guilty of trying to sabotage President
Trump's um presidency, like, this is so
out of pocket.
This does not end well. I understand
maintaining the integrity of, you know,
democracy and not jailing a president,
but I have a supercut here of how much
they perpetuated this statement. So, it
seems like some consequences have to
follow. This is from 2016 and 2019 when
Trump was running. Russia hacking the
election to elect Trump. Vote is the end
of our democracy.
>> votes were definitely affected. Russia
hacked the election to tilt it to Mr.
Trump.
>> The Russians definitely
hacked the election. Russia did hack the
election, no doubt.
>> The Russians hacked the election.
>> Yes, Russia hacked the election.
>> In fact, Russia hacked the election.
President-elect Donald Trump still not
sounding convinced that Russia hacked
the election.
>> The president does not want to come to
terms with the fact that the Russians
hacked the election.
>> President Trump says he still wonders if
if
the Russians hacked the election.
>> can get him to accept that Russia hacked
the election, see if you can get him to
accept who won the Civil War.
>> If he admits it, it casts a shadow on
his victory over Hillary Clinton. Russia
hacked the election. Russia hacked the
election.
>> Russia hacked the election.
>> Russia hacked the election. Th- This is
literally like the Jews and the
Palestinians. They're They're never
going to agree on who fired the first
shot. It's just back and forth as far as
the eye can see. Everybody's going to
have a claim on something going back
back back back back. Eventually,
somebody has to say I mean I'm cannot
believe I'm going to quote Jesus again,
but at some point somebody has to turn
the other cheek. At some point, somebody
has to say, "All right, listen. Clearly,
there has to be a line. We can never
allow this again." But you're going to
perpetuate this cycle, which I am so
desperate to get America out of, and I
realize with every deep dive I write,
with everything I go down the path,
dude, there is something pulling me
towards getting America to back away
from the hyperpolarization, trying to
mechanistically unwind that to get
people to understand what you do to
bring back a thriving middle class. If
we can't get everybody protected at the
level of policy to act like there's
policy at the level of the individual,
so at least people that are paying
attention can do something about it.
This, and I know I'm going to get drug
because people are going to say that
he if
if he did it, he should go to jail. It
was just as absurd when they were doing
it to Trump. It's just as absurd now. We
have to
pull the facts out, have total
transparency on this, have total
transparency on
um
Epstein. Like it all needs to be out and
let the chips fall where they may, but
leveraging all of this stuff to jail
your opponent is how a nation commits
suicide. This is so reckless. Us being
in this pressure cooker of populism
right now, is there a way to de-escalize
it, to decompress it? How do we step off
the gas without letting
corruption run amok, without like
letting it be? Like what How do we get
out of this moment?
People have to look forward and see
positive economics. If you do that, the
amount of tension that goes away is
extreme because you need to people need
to feel better about the
>> People need to feel that the pie is
getting bigger because right now a big
thing that we're fighting over is the
pie feels very small. There are people
getting iced out which they are right
about. They're wrong about why they're
getting iced out, but they are right
that they are getting iced out. That
that scares people, man. They've got
kids to take care of. They are freaked
They are legitimately freaked out that
they are not going to be able to take
care of their kids.
With as much money as I have, when I
project out having a kid, I can feel how
different that makes everything. Like
all of a sudden it's like, "Oh my god, I
don't mind if I go homeless. I don't
mind if I go hungry, but there's no
universe in which I'm letting my kid go
hungry." So now you've got everybody on
both sides legitimately scared about
that. They've racked up as much debt as
they're going to be able to rack up.
Groceries are getting more expensive.
They can't afford the house they're in
or they can't afford the house that they
want to get. I mean, it's It actually is
dire. And so then you're given this
ready-made drama of red team, blue team,
left and right and you're like, "Cool. I
now feel like I belong. I have somebody
to hate. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm
not the bad guy. They're the bad guy.
They did this to me. I'm in my feels and
it feels good."
Righteous indignation is a power
emotion. We need that level of morality
to find its way into the political
system. President Zelenskyy is going to
have to use some of that advice cuz
there has been an uprising in Kyiv where
they have been mass protests that
erupted. So a new policy was signed into
law that targeted the independence of
Ukraine's anti-corruption bodies
including the National Anti-Corruption
Bureau that was made infamous with Joe
Biden's threat against the prosecutor
investigating Hunter Biden's corrupt
activity at Burisma.
Um the Ukrainian government is also
becoming increasingly unpopular due to
Zelenskyy's refusal to seek an end to
the war. Um as you can see in this video
down here, there's been mass protests,
the largest
organized protests since Russia first
invaded Ukraine when they initially
protested the border intrusion. Um, if
you have to drag people out of their
homes, snatch them off the streets,
load them into vans to have enough
soldiers to um fight, you are in trouble
and you're going to have to find an exit
to the war. If you're going to keep
fighting long after your people have
lost the will to fight and Zelenskyy
wants to be the lion of Ukraine in the
way that Churchill was the lion of
Europe and literally single-handedly
stopped the um
Germans from just taking over
everything. Mhm. The right way to view
Churchill is a man who did whatever it
took to beat the Nazis and I mean
whatever it took. And as
modern-day people, we have a very hard
time looking at the demands that history
makes of people.
And Churchill is this utterly
fascinating character who was wildly
amoral in service of the right value
system. And so, he got voted out of
office immediately following the war.
So, his thank you for saving Europe was
to get booted out and to basically say F
off and that's that. I mean, really,
really wild.
>> Yeah. But never did he try to um stop
the democratic process in the UK. Was
like, yep, this is the process. He uh
once made a really catastrophic mistake
when he when he was in the Admiralty and
the during World War I and he said, no
BS, send me to the front line of World
War I so I can earn my way back. Mhm.
Dude, that imagine a politician like
sending people in to die and then being
like, "Okay, this was my mistake 100% I
want to be sent to the most deadly place
on earth right now and I'm going to
lead. I'm going to lead well and I'm
going to show you that I am physically
courageous,
that I will earn my spot back in this
government." And he does. And the
soldiers on the front line become
terrified of going on patrol with him
because he was so fearless.
He didn't care. He would talk. He would
walk like the perimeter. He got shot at
multiple times and other people would
dive cuz they would hear the bullets
whizzing past and he was like, "If it's
my time, it's my time. But like I'm not
going to be afraid. I'm not going to
live my life like that." Dude, he's so
singular. But he also ends up going,
"Huh, the US, I'm not making any
progress getting them into the war. I'm
losing the backing. Europe is just
falling one country after another. I'm
obviously going to lose the homeland if
I can't get America in. Even like
everybody in the homeland, obviously
this isn't going to be a sell that I can
make forever."
And he ends up
allowing, probably, probably, allegedly,
like enough
enough
like top secret information has come out
that I certainly believe the following
statement to be true, but I do want to
confess to the audience that this is
um contested. Not every historian agrees
with what I'm about to say.
But I believe that he allowed the
Lusitania to be sunk, which had British
and American civilians on it because he
knew if he could get the Germans to sink
a boat with US citizens on it that
America would turn on the war. And
that's exactly what happened. And they
do like I could go into all the details
about the Lusitania, but it was a
passenger ship that they put a like 6
million rounds of ammunition on. They
changed the motor structure and
everything on the boat so that uh
presumably so it could haul the weaponry
but that also changed its sonic
signature in the water and they knew
that it would to a U-boat that it would
sound like a military vessel. So the US
does all of these things.
The Germans try to run an ad in the
newspaper saying like hey some of these
ships like they are intentionally trying
to put you in harm's way and these ships
cannon will be sunk because many of them
are carrying munitions.
One of those ads ran next to the times
for the Lusitania. So they tried but the
US I think it was State Department ended
up stopping them from running all but
one of the papers from running the ad.
So it was like Germany's trying to stop
them because they know what's going on.
The US State Department won't let them
run the ads. It's like absolutely wild.
They end up pulling the Lusitania's
um
chaperone so there was supposed to be a
ship to meet it. They pulled that even
though they had knowledge that there
were U-boats in the vicinity. They told
the Lusitania to slow down. So they pull
its chaperone. They know that there are
U-boats and they tell it to slow down
after changing the
the motor style so that it would sound
like a military vehicle and denied like
crazy that it had the munitions on it
but however many decades later divers go
down. There it is 6 million rounds of
ammunition. So
the odds that that was Churchill going I
got to get me some Americans killed from
where I'm sitting borders on 100%. Now
when you look at
history through that lens when you look
at Churchill through that lens
now look at what Zelensky's going
through.
Russia's invading.
He's the lion of Ukraine.
He's not a bad guy.
He's trying to protect his people. He
could have gotten out. He didn't.
Instead of asking for a ride he asked
for
ammunition. Like it's gangster.
But he's also willing
to kidnap his own people to put them on
the front line.
God knows how much spin, lies, whatever,
whatever to try to continue to get
funding for the war. Also refusing to do
elections.
Um and so
how are we going to look at Churchill?
Some people are saying he's a bad guy.
And we should have just let Germany do
what Germany does. And I hope we show
the clip later from Jubilee where the
kids like Nazis weren't so bad. I mean I
was really distressed by that.
So if you believe, as your Uncle Billy
does, that Churchill was the good guy
and the Nazis were the [ __ ] bad guys,
then it's like when I look at what
Zelensky's doing, I'm like, I get it.
To defend your country against
an invader,
I mean, how far would you go? I'd go
pretty far, Drew. Does Zelensky have
like a Lusitania moment? Like what can
he do to rally the troops, get support?
Cuz to your point, I feel like he's
grasping for straws at this point.
>> honestly, Russia is doing that for us
now. Trump is getting so frustrated with
his inability to get Putin to be
reasonable that he's just going to fund
them. He'll fund them out of spite. As
long as he doesn't lose his base in the
US, he will fund them out of spite. And
I really think the more I pay attention
to Trump, I really think the way to like
look at him is A through the lens of
realpolitik, so he's going to do
whatever he can get away with, but once
he can't get away with it, he'll stop.
And then he is somebody who um
if he can
negotiate a deal that through his very
American, very entrepreneurial eyes is
reasonable, then great. He'll forgive
anything. He'd do a deal with North
Korea. He'd do a deal with Russia the
second the bomb stop. He'd do a deal
with Hamas. I'm not kidding. Like he
would do a deal with anybody if he likes
the terms and feels like everybody's
going to make out well on this.
Uh and I think that he will drop
gigantic
bombs on you if you don't agree to a
deal that he considers reasonable. And
so Russia's going to FAFA. He's going to
secondary sanction the life out of them,
which means that you're sanctioning any
country that does things. So now if
you're China and you do something, you
buy Russian oil that you're not supposed
to, well, sanctions on China.
So that if you can get enough like if
you got the whole G7 to do that,
>> Yeah.
you can do some real damage to Russia.
And then I think if he still doesn't
back down, he will drop he'll give
weapons right now. He'll give weapons to
the EU. The EU will give them to
Ukraine, but I'm who we fooling? The UK
has just completed a test for carbon
credits and this Instagram influencer
breaks it down. Check this out. The UK
recently completed a carbon credit
system trial that sets a daily allowance
for each person. A little cap on your
ability to travel, purchase food,
clothing, and even heat your home. All
rationed under the guise of saving the
planet. Your daily carbon limit is
capped at 40 kg of CO2 with food
restricted to just 4 kg.
>> All right, pause it for a second.
Okay, so
uh
America's in a fight for its soul for
reasons we've discussed many times. The
world is in a fight for its soul from
totalitarian control. That just is real.
People believe that they know best. If I
can just get people to accept that.
There are elites as they call them. Mhm.
We probably need to stop calling them
elites because I think it distracts from
you've got smart, primarily smart people
and some wealthy people. Not that those
are exclusive, but not all of the people
are actually wealthy that are driving
this agenda just to be very clear. Mhm.
So, you've got very smart people who are
so convinced about their rightness
that they
want control. Now, I don't know if they
recognize in themselves the um envy, the
um
narcissism, the ugly side Mhm. or if
they are blinded by but I'm right. And
that they've been right so often in
their life and they really can out-think
most of the people they encounter.
And so, life teaches them, you're
smarter,
you're better, you know better, and for
everyone's sake,
they just need to listen to you.
There's something in humans that really
makes them want to live in a
hierarchical society, something with
classes where dumb people just get
shoved into their rightful place.
And
that is what is happening in the UK
right now. It's absolutely wild. That is
what's happening in the WEF. It is
absolutely wild. It is totally
dystopian. People will grab power and
because I just cannot seem to get people
to read history, people don't understand
how dire this becomes. This is a level
of absurdity that is hard to express.
First of all, these people don't know
best. They are prone to making mistakes
all the time and whatever wisdom they do
have will never be matched by the wisdom
that the crowd has and on mass,
the the masses will always know best. My
favorite example of this is Mao, however
brilliant he may have been and he
clearly must have been brilliant for
what he pulled off. We'll be back in
just a sec, but first, let's talk about
the biggest barrier to investing. The
hardest part about investing isn't
picking stocks, it's just getting
started. Christina on my team was stuck
in this exact spot until she Alio
Capital. She says it is incredibly easy
to set up. They walk you through
building your portfolio and finding the
right mix for your risk tolerance.
Alio's Altitude AI handles the complex
macro stuff, tracking inflation,
interest rates, and global risk while
you focus on the basics. You're not just
throwing money at random stocks. You're
building a portfolio that adapts to real
market conditions. Whether you're a
complete beginner or you've been putting
this off for years, Alio makes investing
approachable. No paralysis, no
confusion, just smart investing made
simple. Download the Alio Capital app in
the App Store or Google Play or text Tom
to 511-511.
Investing involves risks including
potential loss of principal. Past
performance does not guarantee results.
See terms and conditions. Text fees may
apply. This is a paid advertisement.
Right, let's get back to the show. He
didn't realize that across the gigantic
landmass that is China, you can't plant
the same crops at the same time. And
when local farmers objected, he killed
them and then forced everybody to plant
the same crops at the same time and then
everyone starved. It's so crazy. And so
that's whatever that thing is inside of
the human mind, we're watching play out
and they've got the perfect thing that
they need about the
saving the planet to leverage it to get
control. They did it for sure with
COVID. I'm I'm not saying that COVID was
intentional, but never let a good crisis
go to waste. And so it happened, they
used it to gain power, they saw how
compliant people will be when they're
scared, and so they're running the same
playbook. Now,
my biggest problem with what I see here
is
they're going to make catastrophic
errors about the
molecules that I can put inside my body
via my diet based on the carbon
footprint. And the reality is they have
no right to do that because some foods
shorten your life so dramatically and
other foods extend your life
dramatically. This is not controversial.
>> Mhm. They're going to hammer down on red
meat. They're going to hammer down
basically on most animal products would
be my guess. So, he uh talks about
cheese, he talks about red meat.
And the thing that they're running right
now, red meat would basically take your
whole day's carbon footprint. So, you
wouldn't be able to drive,
turn on your electricity. Like you just
you had whatever 8 oz of red meat.
If you have sugary foods, um
so sodas, highly processed stuff that's
made from carbohydrate, wheat, cereal,
stuff like that. All of that is going to
be fine. It will be very inexpensive.
And so, what's going to happen is people
who are poor that can't afford whatever
allowance they're going to give you to
buy extra carbon credits or whatever.
I'm sure they will.
Uh so, poor people are going to be
stuck. They're going to eat the stuff
that's cheap. And then anybody that
doesn't understand. And so, these are
going to be true the same people that
don't understand assets. So, now you've
got people that just cannot get on the
property ladder. They're falling farther
and farther behind. And now we're
decimating them and their children with
terrible nutrition. And
>> health effects and all this other
things.
>> it will be massive and it will have
epigenetic effects. So, uh what the mom
eats while pregnant for sure is going to
matter.
It's almost certainly true that what
both parents eat before they even try to
have a baby will matter and there'll be
some epigenetic pass along. People can
look that up if they think I'm crazy.
That really does happen.
And this is going to be a never-ending
nightmare that further drives the people
that have the knowledge and the money to
get out from under this and the people
that don't. This this is
people trusting themselves run amok.
People always think they know best.
But how does this translate to actual
food? Well, according to the report, a
packet of cheese accounts for 1.1 kg of
CO2, over 25% of your daily allowance.
Red meat, forget it. If you spend your
entire 4-kg allowance on steak, you'd
get around 8 oz of meat. While meat and
dairy products have the highest carbon
footprints, two slices of bread would
account for just 3%, while a can of Coke
just four. So basically, diabetes is on
the menu, but don't worry, Big Pharma
will have you covered because
medications and health care products
will not be factored into your daily
carbon limit.
>> is crazy. The the perverse incentives
that will end up happening where
everything in the system is incentivized
to not notice that red meat is good for
you,
uh carbohydrates and sugar is bad for
you because the drugs that deal with the
chronic illness will make so much money,
and people will look at it and say, and
they'll be right, these drugs are a
modern miracle. So now you've got we
need to save the planet. What's the
problem with what they're eating anyway?
We've got these drugs to deal with it.
Not noticing all of the knock-on
problems and the
different ways that drugs can interact
and the fact that we don't have
long-term studies on a lot of these
drugs because they're new. I am just
convinced that GLP-1 inhibitors, or
whatever they're called,
um the Ozempics of the world, that
they're going to be huge negative
ramifications. You you just can't do
that. There's no way. There's no way
that's going to be okay.
Uh we'll see, but um yeah, I can't
imagine it. And this all reminds me of
when I was back at Quest and there was a
big initiative in the US to start
labeling food. And they were going to
put additional tax on food that was high
in fat. And they were going to force you
to put warning labels on the product. So
it's like, hold on a second. I can put
sugar and I'm not going to get a warning
label. But if I put fat, I have to put a
warning label? Dude, I was offended.
That was when I was like, okay, I'm
legitimately going to have to start
lobbying the government because this is
insane.
Uh so thankfully that never gained
traction. But this is the kind of thing
that I see gaining steam around the
world. Yeah, it's interesting to me cuz
we see a lot of this state side with
like the sugar tax where places in like
I think San Francisco now New York City
have it where, you know, sugary drinks
have a extra 10 cent surcharge or
something like that. Um all these things
to combat climate change when the number
one they say is farting cows, but the
number two is fast fashion. So it's like
you're telling people they can't eat
these things. They have to eat sugary
carbohydrate items. But if I'm still
going to H&M and I'm buying 10, 20, 30
dollars worth of clothes, I'm still
contributing to the problem that we're
trying to do it. So it's just very
selective in the
in the prosecution of this. So it's it's
very interesting how they came to it.
>> is always, always, always innovation. It
is always innovation. And when dumbasses
think that they can see the future so
clearly that they need to control this
all from the top down, they end up
creating more problems than they do
good. You've got to let the hyper
complexities of the market uh work
themselves out in the market. If you
give people the data and you show them
what's really happening and you don't
lie and you don't spin, you just say,
"Look, this is what it is." Look at the
ozone. We ended up fixing the ozone. So
it's like if there's really a thing that
we can point to and say, "Okay, this
chemical is a problem. So if you want
aerosol, you're going to have to do it
without that." Um so if we are worried
that um
cows or whatever are releasing too much
CO2 into the atmosphere, then put in
incentives for them to solve those
problems. Don't say you can't eat it.
Say like, "Hey, look, this is something
that we either want to put tax credits
towards.
Uh there are things like the X Prize
that can um incentivize stuff like
that." But honestly, I think a big part
of this is it's tied to climate change,
which has become hyper politicized, and
some very large percentage of the planet
is not convinced that the problem is
what people say it is. And so, this is
why lying and trying to spin and
position ends up backfiring. You just
need to be transparent. And here's where
things get terrifying. They're not just
suggesting it, they're testing it. Food
manufacturers are already slapping
carbon labels on their products. And
let's not forget the food supply chain
either. These policies directly threaten
local farmers and producers as red meat
gets penalized heavily, while synthetic
lab-grown meat is being propped up as a
solution. Now, the problem is Yeah, you
got to take on lab-grown meat. I do have
a take on lab-grown meat. So, lab-grown
meat, like anything, is we don't know.
We don't know yet if it's effective. We
don't know yet if there are some magical
things that happen to the meat because
it's out eating and grazing. If you
raise a cow feeding it only grain, the
meat is different. The the literal
chemistry of uh the animal itself, like
what's stored in the fat and all that,
becomes different. And so, um if you
don't tell Lisa that the cow was
grain-fed, she'll still know because
grain-fed beef upsets her stomach. So,
there is just something like some part
of the digestive system recognizes
whatever the difference is, whatever the
I imagine it's stored in the fat, but
like whatever is stored in the fat
causes a different kind of reaction. Uh
same with chicken that eats grain versus
if it eats worms and all the things that
it would normally find by roaming around
and pecking. So, um while I love the
idea of lab-grown meat, and I cannot
wait to see long-term studies done to
find out like whether it's fine or not,
um I don't want to pretend like there
aren't going to be some wild
complexities to that.
Yeah. Well, speaking of a crackhead
policy, Hunter Biden
had an interview with Channel 5.
>> oh. Uh and he talked about a myriad of
things. I want to start here cuz I just
thought this was hilarious. Go to a
your neighborhood convenience store and
just get Anyway, I don't want to tell
people how to make how to make crack
cocaine, but it literally is a miniature
cocaine and baking soda. How different
is the experience?
>> I don't want to tell him to hear it
here. Drastically drastically different.
And like for real, I I I feel really
reluctant to um kind of have some
euphoric discussion. I know you're not
asking me to do that, but have some
euphoric discussion about uh crack
cocaine. I think this might be kind of
the opposite here. Okay, no, I it's the
exact opposite. I'm saying I don't want
to have the experience of some euphoric
recall. That's how powerful crack
cocaine is. Does Um so, he went from
crack cocaine to talking about George
Clooney and some of the establishment uh
Democrats and how they turned on Joe
Biden at the end of the election.
Well, so before we leave the crack
cocaine thing, uh we should play the
part where he starts talking about crack
cocaine is actually cleaner than
normal cocaine. People think it's dirty.
Does crack cocaine make you act any
differently? No. Is it safer than
alcohol? Probably. People think of crack
as being dirty. It's the exact opposite.
I actually don't know, to be honest, but
it doesn't look good. And then he's went
off on establishment Democrats.
Him. [ __ ] him. [ __ ] him and everybody
around him. I'm not to be [ __ ] nice.
Number one, I agree with Quentin
Tarantino. [ __ ] George Clooney is not
a [ __ ] actor. He is a [ __ ]
like I don't know what he is. He He He's
a brand. And by the way, and God bless
him. You know what? He He supposedly
treats his friends really well. You know
what I mean? Buys them things. And he's
got a really great place in Lake Como,
and he's great friends with Barack
Obama. [ __ ] you. What do you have to do
with [ __ ] anything? Why do I have to
[ __ ] listen to you? What right do you
have to step on a man who's given 52
years of his [ __ ] life to the service
of this country, and decide that you,
George Clooney, are going to take out
basically full-page ad in the [ __ ]
New York Times to me and James Carville,
who hasn't won a race in 40 [ __ ]
years, and David Axelrod, who had one
success in his political life, and that
was Barack Obama, and that was because
of Barack Obama, not because of [ __ ]
David Axelrod. And David Plouffe, and
all of these guys, and the Pod Save
America guys. Uh I honestly think this
is him trying to become relevant in
politics. I have a feeling that um dad
is still alive. He's got an opportunity
to prove to dad that look, I can do
this.
Um I can make sure that your name isn't
forgotten, your legacy's not forgotten.
Whether he tries to completely rehab his
image and run,
uh that's a much bigger question, but
he knows that people are going to want
to interview him.
So, he's got a microphone. Mhm.
If he's got something interesting to
say, I mean, now is the the the age
where it's like, start your show, you
start your podcast, you say the things
that other people aren't willing to say.
He's clearly going in on
the Democrats. Like, he's not afraid to
attack his own. And so, it'll be
interesting to see if he's positioning
himself as like more of a
um centrist Democrat. I don't know.
It'll be interesting. But, this does not
feel like somebody who's completely
unhinged to me. This feels like somebody
who's swearing too much, and is a good
reminder to me not to use the F-word
that frequently. But,
I don't hear somebody who's completely
unhinged. His backstory is wild, and so
can we elect a president
who we know smoked crack and we seen his
dick? Like,
I don't know, Drew.
Uh
that he's insecure about it, and then he
asks, "Is it still big?" Like, I don't
know. I don't know if he's going to be
able to come back from that. But, uh he
could certainly be a personality in the
space. So, this will be interesting, and
uh fathers are powerful in terms of
people wanting to seek their approval,
and I think that he has had such a dark
past that if you're watching dad's light
fade
and you think, all right, this is my
shot. I'm not going to let people
trample him. I'm not going to let his
um reputation go down without a fight.
And it's actually pretty interesting
because this this will happen to a lot
of politicians. So,
um Hamilton had the same problem, and
his wife for years fought and fought and
fought to get a um biography written
about him cuz she was like, "People are
trying to trash his memory, but what my
husband did is so great." And she was
just like obsessed. And then I think
ultimately it was his son that finally
saw it across the finish line.
And
this is a very real thing. For him to
get into the political arena, at a
minimum try to fight for his dad's
legacy, and then as I say, ambition
grows in the eating. If he starts
getting traction, if he finds that he
can post up a show, he's got to make
money somehow. So, if he can become part
of the political commentary, ingratiate
himself back into politics,
I mean, he must know everybody.
And so, that this is going to be an
interesting arc. I'm uh
I'm intrigued. I don't know how much
political power he has, though, if he's
torching the people that were closest to
him, you know? So, it is him starting
over. Uh I
>> Right now, he has absolutely no
political power, but
getting in the room with people often
times is enough. And if he's willing to
play cuz how old is he? He looks like
he's what, early 50s?
55 years old.
>> Okay. So, he's got
10 15 years on him.
20 years if he's, you know, with Donald
Trump and them. So, hey.
>> I guess, but I kind of hope he moves out
of the whole geriatric space. But he
he's got an easy 15 for sure. And so,
even if he's willing to play the game
for 5 years, like if he's any good at
media,
I think he's got a shot. I mean, this is
interesting. Everybody's been talking
about it. So, if he can come out guns
blazing, attack the the people that um
are supposedly unattackable,
I think he could get traction.
It's interesting. We'll keep We'll keep
tracking. And hopefully he's doing good
in his sobriety and his recovery. Cuz
that statement was crazy.
We'll get back to the show in a moment,
but first, let me tell you about
something that will change how you work
forever. Picture this. You need to
create a presentation for the meeting
with the C-suite tomorrow at 9:00 a.m.
You open Google Drive, hunt through
scattered project notes, switch to
Gmail, dig through weeks of client
updates, jump to calendar, and copy
meeting notes from five different calls,
switch back to PowerPoint, paste
everything in, fix the formatting
disasters, reorganize the slides, repeat
100 times. Two hours later, you are
mentally drained, and the presentation
still looks like garbage. Here's the new
way with Context AI. You tell Context,
create a presentation using my notes
from Google Drive, updates from Gmail,
and my upcoming meetings from calendar.
That's it. Context pulls everything in,
grabs the right pieces, cleans them up,
lays it out, formats it. Done. No
jumping between tabs, no manual edits,
no version mix-ups. It just does it. Two
giant companies are already using
Context because their executives do not
waste time on tasks. Sign up for free at
context.ai
and reclaim your time. And now, let's
get back to the show. France President
Emmanuel Macron has classified the
platform X as an organized gang,
allowing them to legally wiretap
personal devices of X employees.
X believes that this investigation is
distorting French law in order to serve
a political agenda and ultimately
restrict free speech. For these reasons,
X has not acceded to the French
authorities' demands.
Um where do you think this falls on the
free speech spectrum? Well, every
country gets to do what they want, and I
have no idea what the laws are in
France, but I will say from a moral
perspective that people seem to not
understand that the reason free speech
is so important is that you need to be
able to think. Writing is thinking.
Speaking is thinking. It's not like you
your ideas are fully formulated and then
you write them down. That's not how
writing works. It's not like your ideas
are fully formulated and then you speak
them out. Often times you're speaking
not so that you can be understood, but
so that you can understand. And so when
you stop people from being able to do
this, you literally stop ideas from
getting fully fleshed out. You stop
people from being able to say, "This is
what I think and believe." And then they
challenge your ideas and it makes you
sharper. You make me sharper. My wife
makes me sharper. Critiques that I get
online, the right ones, obviously, make
me sharper. And when you don't
understand that and your impulse is to
silence because you would rather be in
control, you would rather maintain
power, uh then everything goes off the
rails. And this is one of those things
where you just have to understand how
the game works. Like you have to
understand the the macro movements of
culture, uh the way that people are
ultimately with each other. And when you
try to um force them to be silent, it
deranges a culture. And when you allow
them to express and to push and to
fight, yes, you yourself may lose power.
Um but you get to still be in a thriving
world. And so, if we can just get people
to recognize this is just how the world
works.
That to get everybody on the same page,
you have to kill people. And I don't
mean that in any sort of hyperbolic way.
I mean, that just humans are so diverse
and they have so many different opinions
and some people feel so strongly that
some people just will not be silenced
unless you kill them. And some ideas are
so powerful that they will catch fire.
And so, when an idea undermines power,
power has a decision. You either
recognize, "Oh, I guess my time is up.
And now this new wave, the young bucks,
are going to come and and we're just
we're done. It's not our time." Uh and
that's always been one of the great
things about America was we peacefully
transferred power. We said, "My time's
over. Okay, I accept it." And apparently
France does not. And so, they're just
People just are unhinged about X. It is
so wild to me. And
Yeah, anybody that doesn't believe in
free speech is making a critical error
at the like level of psychology of
humans en masse. This seems like a
common thread of the whole I know
better, this is why you should listen to
me.
Um because free speech a lot of times is
you're it's okay for free free speech,
but I don't want you to say these
things. Correct.
>> And again, I'm the one dictating what
those things you're not allowed to say
are.
>> Correct. Uh on my tombstone, uh should
be two phrases.
A, you're having a biological
experience. And B, stop trusting
yourself so much.
Like, if everybody recognized those two
things, we would be in much better
shape. Much better. But, dude, I get the
same impulse that everybody else has
that like I'm right. This is obviously
right. The world would be better if
everybody just listened to me.
It's just that I know I've been wrong so
many times before and felt so right
right up until I realized I was wrong.
That I thought, uh okay, I just have to
have a default understanding that you
can't be paralyzed. You can't be like,
"Oh, I could be wrong." You've got to
march forward, but you've got to march
forward going, "Some part of what I
believe right now is incorrect. Of this
I am sure, and the bad news is I don't
know which part I'm wrong about."
Uh
so,
it's super powerful to recognize
that you're wrong about something. Yeah.
Well, Mehdi Hasan was surrounded by 20
people who sure didn't feel like they
were wrong about something.
>> this, did you watch this? I didn't watch
it in full. I just watched the clips.
Like, these guys were terrible.
Terrible. And I'm not exactly a big
Mehdi Hasan guy.
But these guys were terrible.
Yeah, it felt like they were on the
There's a far right, and then there was
all the way over there, right? Like, it
just it just felt weird. It felt weird.
It felt weird, and they didn't even have
good arguments.
>> Yeah, it was Like, if you've got a good
argument, and you can make me be like,
"Oh, maybe Hitler wasn't so bad." But
like, the whole time I'm just like,
you're not actually making an argument.
You're literally just flirting with the
devil. You're literally just like, uh
"Well, he was kind of cute." You know
what I mean? I was like, "What is
happening right now?"
Crazy. Um and then this guy goes all the
way, "I don't believe in the
Constitution, and I'm a fascist."
>> is crazy.
Quite frankly, if Trump is
anti-Constitution, good. And I think he
should go further.
>> So, this is This is wonderfully
revealing of the modern conservative
mindset. I appreciate you spelling it
out so openly. Uh I'm just checking, do
you support the Second Amendment? I do.
Okay. Surprise. I was shocked to hear
that.
I'm saying that Donald Trump is defying
the First Amendment, the Fourth
Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, the 14th
Amendment. He's thinking of defying the
12th and 22nd Amendments. You're saying
you don't care about the Constitution,
but actually you do, cuz you quite like
the Second Amendment. You just don't
like the bits that you disagree with.
Can I just be clear on that? Yeah,
absolutely. I'm more than willing to
>> that? I'm more than willing to amend it,
and include the Second Amendment. Yeah,
absolutely. So, can Democrats do the
same when they're in office?
>> No, absolutely not because it's a friend
not an enemy.
>> No, I don't. Absolutely not. What do you
believe in? Autocracy. A little bit more
than a far-right Republican.
Hey. What can I say?
I think you can say I'm a fascist. Yeah,
I am.
Wow.
Dude, this is uh And then he got fired
from his job.
Uh Okay.
>> started GoFundMe. Um There is something
admittedly I don't like about the you've
been working with him. So you've already
been working with a fascist. You knew he
was a fascist. Now other people know.
Now he gets to fire you.
>> Is that the problem? It's like for me I
think it's people going, "Oh, I don't
like your beliefs, therefore you're
out." If their behaviors are fine,
you got to chill on the whole beliefs
thing. This I mean some of it goes back
to I think that I'm right. I want to be
convincing. I don't necessarily want to
convince everybody. So
this guy should be able to make whatever
case he wants to make for fascism
and other people should be able to
hopefully smash his arguments into
itty-bitty pieces just using cause and
effect, nice simple logic.
Um
yeah, anyway, the the whole I don't like
your beliefs and therefore I fire you,
I'm not a fan of that. Yeah. And then
there was this one that talked about the
uh Palestinian-Israel war.
So called innocent Palestinian. You
don't think Palestinians are innocent?
Not all of them. What about the 17,000
children who were killed? They're doing
the same
>> 17,000 children were killed. Were they
not innocent? Who uh Were they not
innocent?
>> Who's responsible for that? Israel. They
dropped the bombs. Hamas is responsible
Hamas Hamas is responsible for hiding in
hospitals and and making tunnels
underneath the hospitals.
>> children are shot in the head by Israeli
Why does he look like a cartoon
character? Israeli snipers are not
responsible for that. Look,
It's a simple question.
>> Here's the problem. When Israeli snipers
shoot Palestinian children in Gaza in
the head as eyewitness testimony and
doctors testimony proves, that's not the
fault of the Israeli snipers.
>> this is this is the problem because then
you have the problem is you Answer the
question. I'll ask you a third time.
When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian
children in the head, is that not the
fault of Israeli snipers? No,
you got to let me finish.
>> No, you got to answer the question,
fourth time. When Israeli snipers shoot
Palestinian children in the head, we're
running out of time. I need to know what
you think about this.
>> guys just they're not good debaters.
Now, are they not good debaters because
as you go that far out on the right,
it's all emotion and there actually is
no logic and so they feel something very
strongly, but they don't have an
argument. Like there's it's not like
they have an argument in their head and
they're just not representing it well.
They don't have an argument in their
head. They feel a thing and they're
trying to convey their emotion to you.
That's the only thing that I could make
make sense while I was watching this
because yeah, the ape tax survivor,
where the [ __ ] is Jubilee finding these
guys? That guy literally looks like he's
out of the cartoon Spy vs. Spy, so I'm
not sure what's going on there. Somebody
say he look like Waluigi Manjiotti. I
thought that was hilarious. I love that.
Like where they find a Waluigi?
No way they found Waluigi Manjiotti.
That is unbelievable.
That's good. Admittedly. Yeah, no, I
agreed. I I have seen the case of
someone's one. I've seen ones previously
where even the the the hot seat person
is like, oh, hmm, you got me or hmm,
okay, let me they at least have to
retool their argument, but it seemed
like this was 70% trolling, 20% dunking
on immigrants. Like I just don't
understand what they were trying to do.
>> winning each other over though. That was
the weird part. So, like they would clap
for, I don't like the Constitution, clap
clap clap clap. It's like, whoa, okay.
Uh
Yeah, this one was weird. I want to see
that same debate. I want to see if
they're real arguments on the far right.
I'd be curious to see, I don't know
enough about Nick Fuentes, but I'd be
curious to see if he's
Is he far right like that? Yeah. So, I'd
be curious to see if he's actually
articulate and can argue something or if
he too is just emotion based, but I did
not find that one compelling at all.
Um and then in AI news, um Elon Musk
tweeted that uh xAI goal is 50 million
in units of H100 equivalent AI compute,
but much better power efficiency within
online within 5 years. And then he also
recently retweeted uh interview Nvidia
CEO Jensen Huang did about Elon Musk
scale, and he uh retweeted it. 230,000
GPUs, including 30,000 GB200s, are
operational for training Grok XAI in a
single supercluster called Colossus 1.
Inference is done by our cloud
providers. At Colossus 2, the first
batch of 550,000 GPU 200s and GP300s,
also for training, start going online in
a few weeks. As uh Jensen Huang has
stated, XAI is unmatched in speed. It's
not even close. It just seems like the
scale of this thing has just been Okay,
there's two There's two things to talk
about. 50 million ants would be a lot.
50 million GPUs
is
wild. Like
How How do you walk them into the room?
Like 50 million anything is so many
things. So, I mean, that one is like
almost hard to get your head around in
terms of the scope and scale of this is
so massive. So, there's that. This is If
people are still underestimating AI,
stop immediately. This is unreal. Like,
we're getting to the point where they're
using so many GPUs, it's like neurons in
the brain. Crazy. So, yeah, this is uh
completely insane. And if 50 million is
what we're doing in 5 years, what are we
doing in 25 years? So, yeah, I mean,
this is um
AI is going to terraform our planet.
It's going to terraform human
psychology. It is going to change
everything we've ever known. It is
already moving at a rate that three
times doubling in a year seems about
right. That is a truly excellent Your
Your doubling rate is less than a year,
okay? Exponential just means that um
3x, like if you're at one and then you
3x that you're at three. If you 3x that
you're at nine, right? So, it's when
you're maintaining that 3x 3x 3x 3x it's
unbelievable like getting bigger. But,
the fact that the doubling is happening
in less than years is crazy. So, is
every time I talk about AI, every now
and then I'll be like, maybe I'm over
hyping it a little bit. And then I'll
see an announcement like this or I'll
start working with the agents on um
chat GPT and you're just like, oh no,
this really is still moving forward
fast. And it continues to change my
behavior. That's the part. Like I I've
only written
I mean, how many deep dives I've
written? 10?
>> 10. So, I've written 10 deep dives. I'm
writing them differently now for the
third time from where I started.
Just because AI's updating that fast.
>> weeks, yeah. So, it's oh man. It's uh
it's incredible. Okay, so that's the
first part of this. The second part of
this is I cannot believe that there are
people that are still um against Elon.
Like, even if you hate his politics,
what he's able to do in business will be
studied for decades. It is unbelievable.
I guarantee we are not getting the full
picture of what it's like to be around
him right now.
I constantly remind myself of the story
of him cutting the bolts off the um
servers in the X server farm cuz he
wanted to move them somewhere else and
they were like, sorry, we don't have the
wrench to like undo them. We're going to
need like the weekend or whatever. This
is like midnight on a Saturday or
something. He's like, nope. And he just
and shaved the bolts and they loaded up
the um servers and took them.
It's that kind of maniacal
adherence to his goals. Like, I will
stop at nothing. Now, whether he stops
at ethics, I I won't say.
Uh I just don't know. But, the fact that
he is able to push things forward this
rapidly is unbelievable. Is we have to
commend it. It dude,
I want to get this much done in my life.
And honestly, as an entrepreneur, I find
myself routinely saying, "Okay,
if I had to accomplish what he's
accomplishing, what would I have to do?"
And the answers you start coming up with
free your mind from the limitations of
the way that you normally think. It's
just so absurd. Like, to think that
you're going to do 50 million units in 5
years. Like, if you just run the math of
like how many people would have to like
go in and go out. Like, you you'd have
to start mapping the walking speed from
wherever they unload to how like you get
them plugged in and then to wire
everything and then to eliminate all the
interference. Oh, jeez. It is bananas.
All while getting us to Mars. All while
turning us into cyborgs. All while
digging tunnels. All while building
robots. All while building cars. It's
like, what?
So, uh I want to see people aspire
to do ambitious things in their own
life. And so, for him to be one of the
most hated men on the planet is really
heartbreaking. Yeah. Where do you stand
on like the Mike Rowe argument of it
all? I've seen him talk recently with
Charlie Kirk and he was saying that like
while 40% of AI jobs are going to
disappear, a majority of those are
white-collar and there's going to be
like a blue-collar
>> Mike Rowe just really wants to look
stupid in 5 years.
Every time he talks, I'm like, "Mike,
don't do it to yourself. Mike, don't
give him the clips. They're going to
play this on a loop, bro."
>> So, you think in 5 years we're going to
have robot Obviously.
Obviously. Like, what is he thinking? He
needs to go to a robotics factory and
see how advanced this stuff is. If
you're not going to give me five years,
seven. Like and it won't be binary.
There's just going to be more and more
and more. I don't know if you saw the
recent massage robot has like nine
degrees of articulation. Unbelievable.
Obviously, you've already got Optimus
robots serving popcorn. You've got
these really lightweight house robots
now that are humanoid that can walk
around, open the fridge, all this stuff.
Dude, it's it's already crazy in 2025.
In 2030? In 2035?
Dude, there's just going to be robots as
far as the eye can see. I will be
legitimately surprised if by 2027 you
and I don't have a robot sitting with us
as part of the show.
They're going to be 20 grand in months
if they're not already. And you just
yeah, I'll take one. Like if they had
better AI, like that's the thing I'm
waiting to catch up. I want them to have
a face so they can express emotion.
Then cartoon face ideally.
Then you really have something. So yeah,
every time I hear Micro talk, I'm just
like, okay, I mean I get it. I'm sure
I'm saying things right now that
five years from now people will be like,
ah, and laughing their faces off at
things that I think are true, but he's
going to look silly. What would you say
then to, you know, the 21-year-old,
22-year-old who's graduating college?
And I know it's like learn ChatGPT, but
like
that that I mean I can't I can search a
bunch of stuff on there. I can have it
build me 75% made done apps, but what
should I practically look for? Like how
what North Star should they have? It is
all tools are being built for you that
allow you to do things that were
previously unimaginable. And so what I'm
doing, I'm building Ready Player One.
I'm going to build
a virtual world, not thinking VR, maybe,
but I think more just normal gaming plus
probably AR. But anyway, build a game
that is so expansive um that you could
spend the rest of your life playing that
game. And because it's based on a set of
rules,
um
you could set something in motion when
you're 8 years old and then revisit it
when you're 35 and be like, "Yo, that's
crazy." Because it will have kept
evolving. So, um
I wouldn't be able to do that without
AI.
Now, the AI that I can use today has
made things a lot cheaper, it's made
things faster, but it's
I'm expecting, you know, 3, 5 years from
now where this is like, "Oh, wow. I can
really do some incredible stuff." And
again, going back to XAI, some of the
stuff they're doing in gaming feels like
3 years of progress in 6 months. Mhm.
So,
let them keep cooking. If they keep
building models bigger and bigger,
um then everybody's going to have access
to tools that are more and more
powerful. But, that's how people should
think of it. This tool now allows me to
do a thing that would have cost me
$100,000, 500, millions of dollars,
whatever, and I can now do it for $300 a
month. Like, that is an extraordinary
trade, and I understand people are
panicking because it is unnerving when
the world you thought you were going to
live in just you realize is not going to
be the thing.
Um
but
if you think of it as a tool
that allows you to almost have a magic
wand. I mean, it is
really incredible the things that we're
going to be able to do. I'm talking like
gene edit.
Um
my skin is losing elasticity.
Dear AI,
fix it.
Look at my genome. Look at the exact
skin cells. What's my problem?
Oh, your problem is exactly this. Take
these supplements or do this gene
therapy or whatever. That's all going to
happen.
Um you're going to be able to take the
DNA from your parents, look at the
epigenetic
information, like figure out what does
that predict about me. You're going to
be able to run like simulations on
yourself about aging, possible tumors. I
mean uh they're already they've been
able to turn tumors into pork. Yes, I
said that correctly.
Turn a tumor inside your body into pork
so your own immune system will attack
it. So, dude, like think of all the
things we're not thinking of. Every time
there's been a radical technological
advancement, we don't lose jobs, they
just change.
It's devastating for the people that
live through the change, so I get it. I
get the anxiety, but it unlocks things
for humanity that are unbelievable.
Nice. That's all I got. All right,
everybody. If you're not already joining
us for the lives, you're not going to
want to miss out. Start joining us
Wednesday and Friday at 6:00 a.m.
Pacific time. We will see you there, and
until next time, my friends, be
legendary. Take care. Peace. If you like
this conversation, check out this
episode to learn more. Religious and
ethnic clashes in Spain turn bloody.
Ghislaine Maxwell wants to testify
before Congress about the Epstein list.
3 minutes of footage were edited out of
the Epstein video. Katherine Boyle calls
out Apple and American VCs for teaching
the CCP