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Dr. Peter Attia challenges the widespread panic surrounding processed foods, arguing that the term itself is too broad to be inherently negative and often ignores first principles of nutrition. He posits that processing allows many essential foods to exist in a form we can consume, citing venison sticks from his company, Maui Nei Venison, as an example of a highly nutritious product that has undergone drying, salting, and packaging for preservation. While acknowledging that such items may not be as pristine as eating wild game directly off the animal due to added salt or preservatives used for shelf life, Attia distinguishes these from "garbage" foods like Pringles. He suggests that rather than relying on vague labels, consumers should evaluate food based on its nutritional composition and health impact, noting that hyper-processed items found in grocery store aisles often fail this test compared to whole foods available on the perimeter of stores. The discussion highlights how standard American diet products are engineered around four specific vectors: they must taste good, be cheap, scalable for mass production, and portable or storable. Attia explains that processed food is the primary solution meeting these criteria, which drives their appeal through high caloric density per dollar unit. He references an activist letter filed by Jason K.P. Bill Amman against Kellogg's regarding inferior versions of products sold in America versus Canada, specifically pointing out differences involving red 40 and blue one colorants that were not enforced or removed as requested. This incident illustrates Attia's concern about the careless nature of American food regulation and corporate practices, where companies may continue selling ingredients deemed unnecessary or harmful despite consumer pressure to improve formulations across all markets. When asked which Kellogg's products might be acceptable, Dr. Attia expresses skepticism but suggests that items like Froot Loops should strictly be treated as dessert rather than a morning meal due to their candy-like composition and excessive sugar content. He advocates for shifting children's palates toward less sweet options, such as Cheerios with yogurt or applesauce pouches containing only real fruit ingredients, even if these are technically processed. His own household practices involve optimizing serving sizes by purchasing mini packs of treats like Pringles so that parents can consume the remainder without waste, and he emphasizes limiting junk food intake rather than eliminating it entirely to avoid creating a sense of deprivation for children who love specific snacks. Attia concludes that while convenience is a major driver in dietary choices, individuals should strive to deviate from the standard vectors of cheapness and scalability whenever possible by cooking at home or selecting higher-quality ingredients. He notes his personal preference for avoiding keeping tempting foods like ice cream in the house, preferring instead to consume them out so they are not constantly available as an option. Ultimately, he encourages a mindful approach where sugar and poor quality food are limited rather than banned outright, allowing for flexibility while maintaining nutritional standards that support long-term health goals without relying on industrial processing designed solely for cost-efficiency and portability.
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how warranted is the huge Panic about
processed foods in your
opinion well again I think the devil's
in the details right the word processed
is a bit of a troubled word because if
not for processed foods you and I would
be pretty different right now like I
mean processing is what allows a lot of
what we eat to exist um so we you know I
don't know that
that processed
foods by itself inherently implies
things are bad there are lots of
processed foods that are excellent Foods
what would be an example oh I mean like
you know you take like a a a really
natural form of like wild I mean I'm
being completely biased because it's a
company I'm an investor in but the first
thing that popped into my head because I
had it for lunch today was like you know
our venison sticks right this company
I'm an investor in called Maui Nei
venison so sorry for the plug no we've
got some over there yeah so you know
that's that's processed food right like
it had to be you know dried and put into
plastic and salt had to be added to it
um so but look that's a very healthy
food now is it as healthy as if I had
just killed that deer and just eaten
that deer right there probably not you I
could probably make a case for why it's
not it's probably got more salt in it
than it should or and and those things
are there to preserve shelf life um but
but that's clearly a processed food that
I wouldn't put in the same camp as a bag
of
Pringles so you know we can get into the
secondary term of you know hyper
processed foods and and and we can talk
about that but but I still think it's
better to just talk about things from
first principles as opposed to labels
that are mildly descriptive but not
granular enough um to provide real value
so to me I would rather say you know a
venison stick is more healthy than
Pringles rather than say processed food
is good or bad understood what about
hyper processed foods is is that worthy
of the the current moral Panic you know
I don't know I I I mean again it comes
down to there are enough Foods in that
category that are really totally garbage
right there's there's no doubt about
that and the old adage that as you walk
through a grocery store most of what's
in the aisles is indeed garbage most of
what's on the perimeter is indeed good
um and most of what's on the inside is
processed and most of what's on the
outside is not so um
look I I feel lucky because I enjoy
cooking I have the means to do it I
don't have to rely on processed foods
because again you know one of the things
that makes processed foods so appealing
is not just the taste but it's the
convenience and the caloric density per
unit dollar right you can get a
staggering amount of calories per unit
uh uh you know monetary unit um at a
great convenience right it's uh so
so the further you can get away from
what I call the the the the sort of
standard American diet where it's with
its four pillars right which is you know
has to taste really good has to be
really cheap um has to be scalable right
you to be able to do it at Big scale and
it has to be really portable and
storable so the solution to that problem
is processed food um and the further you
can deviate from those vectors the
better have you seen this activist
letter against Kelloggs so the guy
called Jason KP Bill Amman um signal
boost did this a couple of days ago uh
this dude called Jason KP filed an
activist letter against Kellogg's
demanding that they stop selling what he
calls inferior versions of the product
in America there's a red 40 and blue one
and yellow five there's specific
colorants that uh exist and there was
this comparison chart and you had what's
in the Canadian version and what's in
the American version and why is it
different according to him um because
it's not being enforced that there was a
request made or that um so Canada
stepped up and made a request for a
better product it should have been done
based on what I know it should have been
done across the board Kellogg said that
they were going to get rid of these
things in America but they didn't and it
seems you know all manner of conspiracy
theories then ensue they're in bed with
the FDA someone's being given a
backhander um this is indicative of
America's total Blas careless nature
with the food that is being consumed by
their you know pick your explanation of
choice but it seems that there are
certainly colorants and some other
um ingredients compounds that are in
specifically K but let me ask a naive
question like what Kellogg's Product
would you consider good for you anyway
like what Kellogg's Product should we be
eating
I don't know I don't know I'm not even
asking rhetorically I just don't know
enough about their products but like it
would be serial you know a lot of
children having these fro loops and
stuff like that first thing in the
morning yeah I mean again I I would I I
don't mean to sound like a cranky old
guy but why would we want our kids
eating Froot Loops in the
morning like I mean again it I know I
just a moment ago said well I it sounded
like oh maybe he's waffling on processed
food right but I'm not waffling on a
particular food like there you know
Froot Loops might be a treat like for
dessert but
like on on what planet would you say
we're going to start our day with candy
CU that's all it is it's just candy that
you add milk to you've got kids yeah
what do you for the parents out there
they oysters and coffee sadly for
breakfast probably not going to happen
what you feed your kids that satiates
their desire for for their palette to be
mu Bueno but also so when they do eat
cereal they eat cereal that's a little
less sweet so they're going to eat
Cheerios now maybe Kellogg I don't think
Kelloggs makes Cheerios do I think
that's Nestle maybe yeah so anyway so
that you know Cheerios is kind of their
cereal uh you know they'll put berries
in it yogurt applesauce again processed
but it's you know you can get an
applesauce that literally has the only
ingredient as apples right um and that's
that's what they eat um is that typical
breakfast what's a typical breakfast oh
bacon sausage like they eat venison um
eggs like we make them little you know
like egg wraps toast you know again like
it's not like I don't want to paint the
picture that my kids are these little
organic V machines like no no they but
but again like what I just described as
I think a far healthier breakfast than
you know eating Pop-Tarts or eating uh
Loops what are you actively trying to
avoid the sugar
um yeah I mean I I I do think we try to
be mindful of sugar and crappy junk food
and just limit when they're going to
have it and how much they're going to
have um so my kids by the way I
mentioned it a minute ago but my kids
love Pringles so they can have some but
they're not going to eat like this many
of them right they're going to have that
many of them because we buy like little
mini packs of them which are not cost
efficient but like we're not optimizing
for that right we're optimizing for a
small serving size where it's like one
and done and dad's not going to eat it
does this uh yeah that's true because
once they've opened it it's now yeah
there's a tube of Pringles like I'll eat
it it's the trickle down effect of right
okay I didn't think about that I didn't
think about the fact that if you get
your kids something that they like
that's also something you need to deal
with now being in the house it's so
interesting I
um it's also sometimes you just go out
for stuff as opposed to keep it in the
house right so like you know we we went
out for ice yeah we went out for ice
cream the other day and it's better
because you just go out you get it over
with you're done you come home but to
have ice cream in the freezer every day
would be a problem for me yes I need
uh Geographic distance is the best
discipline uh for me when it comes to
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