An Unfiltered Conversation with TheStradman (Controversy, Income, and Regrets)

what was your top speed 224 mph if there's one thing that goes wrong oh you're done for you're absolutely done for why do you think people are so drawn to cars for me it's the freedom it's time to put my foot on the gas film as much as I possibly can and try to figure this thing out I have always been very open and honest with my audience it's kind of like the end of the road I made a stupid decision there's no excuse for it and I'll never do it again like lesson learned life has gotten harder with the more success and the more money I've gotten and I've become more unhappy with the more money and the more success that I've got the Bugatti was an amazing car but part of why I bought it was in a way to check a box it's important to have a good balance like it's important to have dreams it's important to be productive it's important to work it's important to have goals just not sacrificing you know everything I could absolutely walk away from [Music] it James thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour this is so much fun because we had you on the podcast three and a half years ago you are our 30th ever podcast today you own 17 cars they've appraised your collection at $6.3 million oh you've done your research I have started with nothing thank you so much for coming on really appreciate it thank you so much for having me excited to be back so one of the things in in our initial podcast it was funny because I went through and I rewatched it to like bring me back at the speed here and our entire Focus back then was that you had no money invested in stocks or anything it was just cars cars were your only investment is it still the case today I got a house I got real estate Graham aren't you proud of me so is it just real estate and the cars nothing else no stocks no stock no absolutely no stocks no no no I have the house I have the cars and I'm working on opening up a restaurant are you serious I am yeah yes sir a pizza restaurant you guys didn't know that no yeah I was resarch research yeah I'm working on strap Pizza the Hat SP that's strap Pizza Pizza where are youing up this restaurant in in Arizona in Scottsdale Arizona you're kidding going Pizza I'm hoping we open in September so we're working on getting city permits approved right now through the city of Phoenix which takes longer than expected and uh once we get approved we'll do the buildout and hopefully open in September so how did this come about did someone approach you they're able to do all the infrastructure and all of that no no no so I have a good buddy named Freddy and Freddy has ran my merch for the last four or five years and a couple years back he created a cool piece of merch that was called strad burger and it was just this really cool piece it had uh the event A Roadster and the Veyron and it was parked in front of a restaurant it said strad burger and it was just like it was really cool and I love Burgers but I love pizza and so Freddy and I got to talking and uh it was it just kind of all came together he's done some restaurants in the past I love pizza and one thing led to another we found a guy who's going to operate the restaurant for us so there's three partners and we're opening in September New York style pizza I'm a simple that was my next question right there no that's right no that's right what's wait what's the difference between New York and tragedy that you're even asking that question I have no idea I don't eat pizza you eat piz well you're going to come to strap Pizza though yes I'll have a slice okay there you know what's funny I had a first slice of pizza this entire year a few days ago my stomach felt like crap afterwards eating super clean he needs strad pizzas exactly that will not happen Str Pizza you see I've realized that if you eat pizza every single day your body adapts and it becomes the new normal and then you can eat more and more and more and and then you function at ultimate efficiency okay so what's the difference between Chicago and New York style pizza Chicago is like the really really thick Pizza you eat it you have to nap for 17 hours after the fact New York is super thin crunchy I you're a New York guy so for those that aren't familiar with who you are and what you do could you give us a quick like thre minute synopsis of like where you started what you do now how you got to where you are today yeah so my name is James I go by the stradman on YouTube uh love cars as you can see we're here filming in my house in Salt Lake City Utah been doing uh YouTube for 12 years started in 2012 uh when I started my YouTube Channel I didn't have any cars uh I just love cameras I love chasing cars uh traveling whatnot and I started off my YouTube channel with no goals of monetization uh no goals of Fame I just wanted to share cool car videos with my friends I'd go to car shows I'd film as many cars as I could I'd put them online I'd share them online on car forms etc etc and I filmed a video on the Lamborghini Veno and the video hit a million views in a couple months and my channel got monetized and it was just like mind blown right like I filmed a video it took five minutes I made $1,000 and from there to today I've been obsessed with it I love YouTube I love filming I love the strategy I love the creativity I still love the cars like cars has always been the foundation of what I do and uh I've been doing YouTube full time yeah for 12 years you've left out quite a lot though because for a while you you were living in your Audi T right yes yes in the streets of Beverly Hills sleeping in the car to be able to get car content right yeah so I grew up in Oregon uh little town called Bend Oregon there's no cars up there I mean I still go home and you see nothing like there's just there's just like not a very big car culture and doing the YouTube thing realizing I could get monetized I just wanted to dive all in immediately and I realized that like to do it I had to invest either 100% or invest none and go chase another dream and California you know it's the land of of supercars per capita there's more supercars in La than anywhere in the world and and I wanted it so bad that I I chose to go down to California uh film cool cars there on Rodeo Drive and Beverly Hills and and Chase the Dream and I had no money I owned no cars at the time had no idea what I was doing the term YouTuber wasn't really a thing at that time it kind of was but not like it is today and I didn't know what else to do I just knew that I needed to film as much as I could so I yeah I went down there and chased the dream were you always like an All or Nothing type of person yes always always in everything in life I've always been all or nothing you think you were just born that way or do you think it was some like values that were instilled in you like I think I was born that way more so CU I have three older brothers my parents they're not quite the same I think it's almost I I guess I don't know I don't know the answer to that it's not if it's not genetic did I learn it from somebody else was there an outside influence I'm not sure I just knew that like growing up I was just as soon as I got focused on an idea it was like I was doing that and nothing else mattered and for me it was always cars like cars was always the thing so when I graduated from college it was like I'm trying to buy and sell cars I'm trying to you know figure out a way to be an entrepreneur to buy a car and that was that was really the All or Nothing mentality it was to own a Supercar that's all that mattered any specific one or just uh usually either Ferrari Lamborghini you know it it it was kind of a moving Target throughout childhood it was sometimes like the latest and greatest Ferrari so the name stradman comes from the Ferrari challenge stradali so when I made up that username when I was 15 that was the car that was the target but then as I got older the target became Lamborghini and the guyardo was the Target that I hit so it it kind of always sort of shifted based on you know cars there's always new models and I don't know new new features that you kind of get drawn to and the the Lamborghini was was the target when I was in my yeah that was where I found your channel actually is when you made that video how I bought a Lamborghini Gallardo and it was just you filming like this with the car in the background and back like in the day when you made that video that wasn't really done before there were very few people on YouTube with a Lamborghini Rob Dom was the first one that I saw with his Diablo yep you posted yours and then even before Rob Dom was Robert Robert himler himler that was it and he had his green twin turbo twin turbo insane car he was the OG of the OG he was he really was and so for me cuz I started watching YouTube back then like that was inspirational for me to see like someone is on YouTube with a Lamborghini like that just didn't exist when your video popped up I thought it was really nice it was really well done about how you worked as an accountant how you're able to afford the car the payments like your openness and transparency for that video is where I initially subscribed which I think was way back like I don't know how many subscribers that was that was really the video the moment where I realized that I was right on YouTube though because up until that moment most people in my life are like you're crazy what are you doing you're going to buy a Lamborghini on an a $45,000 a year salary or you have you lost your mind you're going to film YouTube videos and make money but it was that moment when it's like the aha moment like I I got you like I was right so how how did you get the AHA was it a certain investment that like the Lamborghini returns or something so I I bought the Lamborghini on September 26 2015 or 16 and I filmed that video in November so I bought I bought the car and I filmed that video about a month later and that video uh did about a million views in the first week or two but it was really the ad Revenue the ad Revenue I made about $110,000 so I bought a car for $110,000 that I was making payments via a $45,000 a year salary and that YouTube video paid for effectively 10% of the car purchase price with one video a month after I got it and then today I mean that video has now 4 million I probably made 2030 Grand or whatever off of it but it was really that moment was like okay one video has already paid off 10% of the car that that was kind of like the aha moment it was really the revenue attached to the video and the subscriber growth to what were the finances like buying a Lamborghini making $455,000 a year so I put a lot down so I saved a lot of money so I lived very very frugal I don't like the word cheap Frugal I I mean I was very I was very focused on what I wanted I knew what I wanted and I sacrificed everything for that and so I uh you know I'd worked in accounting for a little bit a couple years and I'd saved up every single penny I could I lived with roommates my rent was you know a couple hundred bucks a month uh you know I I went to Walmart I got frozen pizzas that were $3 instead of douros that were five or $6 I didn't drink alcohol I didn't obviously do any drugs I didn't drink soda you know doing all these little things and I I don't know the exact number I'd have to look back I want to say I put down like 40 Grand maybe on the car so I put down around 40ish and I financed 70 and uh yeah I mean it was an interesting conversation with the bank but I was able to get it done I didn't need a co-signer or anything and I had good credit as well I'd had a couple car loans through this Bank in the past so I think that all helped but uh yeah I mean it was it was definitely very risky were you nervous because with a car like that I mean the engine blows up or you get an oil leak there could be 20 grand 15 grand gone that was my single biggest fear and I would say like in my whole journey that's one of maybe the more fortunate things that happened for me I did get a PPI so I got a pre- purchase inspection on the car I bought the car from Lamborghini of Newport Beach which is a very well-known well-respected dealership the car was a single owner car 10,000 Mi manual transmission right color that's you know very uh sought after and so I did I did a lot of my due diligence there on the back end but I got lucky I I didn't have any issues with the car for many many years how much was it it was 110,000 yeah I I today those those prices have gone up a lot six speed yeah this car if I had never driven this car it would be worth man I don't know 60 170 Grand probably obviously I've driven it a lot I mean that car has been a fiasco for many reasons right but uh yeah it's it's definitely gone up a lot and and buying the manual transmission was key because the e-gear cars are prone to you know more expensive repairs etc etc but yeah I mean as soon as I bought the car you know I was filming the delivery picking up the car like it was it was like Allin it was filming every single day every single thing I could think of and like you said there just wasn't YouTube content on cars like there is today especially Lamborghinis especially a young guy and that was my strategy my strategy was centered around you know a Lamborghini is something that every kid dreams of and every kid that sees a Lamborghini owner is older with gray hair and they've retired and they finally get the car whereas a younger guy especially back then you just didn't see it at all and so that was really my my uh my concept but before we get into that AI might just be the most important new computer technology out there it's storming every industry and literally billions of dollars are being invested it also seems like you can't go anywhere without hearing about it so you better buckle up the problem however is that AI needs a lot of speed and processing power so how could you compete 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right Y and then I remember the title I got fired from my job or I got fired can I still keep my Lamborghini yes sir which to me was like that was when your channel really took off it really did yep yep it did and that's because I think you nailed it though all of a sudden you had this Intrigue you're like is this guy gonna survive is he gonna make it is he going to keep the car and drama sells right but this was also like drama that was so relatable it wasn't like you know Kardashian keeping up with Kardashians drama this was like every every young guy dreams of owning a Lamborghini and and I think everybody was rooting for me to keep the car as well right and uh yeah I mean it was it was a very nervous time for me I didn't know what I was going to do but what was amazing about it is that that particular video did really well so that video I think did 600,000 views or whatever in like a week and so that video the ad revenue on that video made and I don't know it was like three or four car payments right so that video just that very first video covered me for the next four months and so that you know relieved a lot of the stress but once again I was all in I mean I remember I got I got laid off and I got laid off at like 11:00 a.m. right I was in the parking lot at 1 p.m. filming that video and then the next day I filmed another like I was just like okay it's time to go it's time to put my foot on the gas film as much as I possibly can and try to figure this thing out why do you think people are still drawn to cars for me it's the freedom the the freedom that cars allows that's what makes them special whether you love supercars or you have a a Honda Accord I mean it allows freedom to go wherever you want uh you know especially especially in the United States it's such a big country I mean you can get in your car and you could drive to New York City and go see Times Square if you have a car and enough money for gas and you can sleep in the car and get there and get home and that's what's always drawn me to cars was initially the freedom and I always tell people that you know buying my Audi TT back when I was 19 years old that was probably my greatest car moment ever vers the coning egg because that was freedom I was I was a kid I flew up to Washington on my own I went to this dealership I picked up this car you know I I could do whatever I want I could go wherever I want and that's what that car allowed and obviously buying you know buying these other cars is special but I'd already had the freedom and then these cars were just you know it was the the cool Factor you know the dream come true type feeling for those but the freedom was already there well now I feel like it's a lot more uh about expression that the type of car you have says a lot about you and like the modifications you do to the car and like the type of car you pick like you can make a lot of assumptions about somebody when they pick a BMW over an Audi or an Audi over a a Toyota it's like all these little things you start to sum up they like oh generally these people are like this these people are like this and it seems a lot more common now uh and maybe I'm just noticing it that like younger people are drawn to like the flashier for sure cars I mean I think the world has changed social media has changed the world how many Lamborghinis did you see growing up oh gosh it was a rarity right like never and you never I saw a guyard of spider and a merci Lago up until my 18th birthday like that's all I ever saw and it was it was just like this this Untouchable car that you could never have whereas nowadays they're just everywhere I mean Instagram social media they are making more cars like when you look at how many Lamborghinis they made in the '90s versus today of course I me they built 3,000 Diablos in total for a 10year period they built 14,000 gyos so I mean that and and Aventador is you know 10 12,000 hurac is even more than that the Urus they're everywhere so yeah I mean production numbers have gone up because they're selling more though there's way more demand and I think that social media has had a big impact on that I think a lot of people honestly saw my video what I did buying a Lamborghini at age 26 is what I do for a living and a lot of people have taken that concept and done their own version but they do crypto or you know a course or whatever it is but I think social media has allowed people to leverage you know in the same strategic way that I did it to to justify a car and then financing as well yeah I mean to finance a Lamborghini now is easy is it so much easier I put 40,000 down on the guyardo for 110 nowadays you hardly have to put down anything you could I mean you can get away especially like uh I don't want to I want to say it's Woodside don't quotee me on that they'll do like effectively like a mortgage you could do like a 15year loan on a car now I mean it's insane it's crazy though that seems smart I'm definitely not saying it's smart want to buy a Lamborghini and they can just make the monthly payments there's someone out there who's willing to finance it yeah there is yeah money money is I guess effectively cheaper than it used to be I don't know you're the finance guy but getting a car loan on a superar is simple now much easier than it used to be so I think it's a lot of different factors but but because of that I think people and social media that's kind of why people I mean modifications are out of control there's so much more creativity I mean the Supra that's behind the camera right now Sky's a limit you could do a million different things there's 75 exhausts you could get for it there's 19 body kits vinyl wraps are everywhere I mean there's just such a big market for it because I I think social media is a big part of it people want to be different yeah you know people want to express themselves via their car on on social media how's it different financing a car that's like a million plus dollars rather than a car that you could just go out to like a Toyota dealership and buy for like 30 grand yeah uh so I've most of the cars in here I own outright except for the kig egg and the Kos so the Kosh is financed uh with a traditional loan the kig EG is a lease and then I had a Bugatti veyon back in the day and I guess I'll start with the Veyron so the Veyron was $880,000 that's what I paid for and I put down 580,000 so I you know financed 300 Grand and I did that through a local credit union the same Credit Union that did the guyardo did my Aventador back in the day and it was the biggest car loan they had ever done but because they had kind of taking the steps with me along the way it was pretty easy actually and I was putting so much money down you know you put in $580,000 down on a car if I default on that loan they get the car they have a $300,000 note they got pay off for the Bugatti like the risk level was very low there even Salvage even Salvage right even Salvage uh so that loan was actually really really easy and then the Kos I put half down once again that was so easy uh I didn't even have to submit hardly any documentation partly because once again same bank uh I've been banking with them since I was you know 10 years old my parents opened up an account with them and I'd done the Veyron they they'd seen my credit whatnot the coning egg is a lease so a little bit different on that obviously the leasing company holds the title so I guess if you're looking at it black and white I don't own this car right I'm just effectively renting it uh but the lease is interesting because every month I make a payment uh it reduces my payoff amount and the payoff amount means that I can purchase this car outright someday and every single month I make that payment that payoff gets less and less and less and I get closer and closer to ownership but in three and a half years I will reach the end of that lease I can either walk away from the car or I can choose to pay off the car and keep it and the payoff amount I want to say is like 800 Grand or so at the end of the term at the end of the term at the Le so you're gonna probably oh yeah definitely yeah because the car is worth around $3 million so at the end of the lease if I was to walk away from it the leas company would win the yeah I'm losing 2.2 million so even if I wanted to get rid of the car I would find a way to pay it off and then sell it right so driving a $3 million car how does that feel if you're like behind a semiu or if you're like you know on a road with some potholes do you just are you so frightened it's the worst part about owning the car and I actually didn't realize how little I would drive the car because of that fear I've realized like my favorite car to drive is this Aventador because it it's 90% of the coning egg but if somebody hits this car I'm totally fine I can get the car repaired financially I'm not and any weird predicament but the Kix egg is a is effectively a handbuilt car out of Sweden there is 58 of them in the world uh the car is priceless and if I was to get an accident I have to ship this car back to the conings factory they could repair it for you know who knows how much money and the car is going to be out of commission for years probably I mean it's kind of a a very scary Prospect because you're sitting at a red line and you're looking in the rearview mirror like I hope this car doesn't rear end what is Insurance like in a car like this it's not as bad as I was expecting um so I have it insured for $3 million and it's about 1,200 a month which isn't bad that's not terrible no and it really helps that I live in Utah so if I lived in Las Vegas I wouldn't double triple if I lived in La double triple I think there's a lot of factors for that but living in Utah helps there's fewer drivers on the road there's more more percentage of the drivers in Utah are insured that are on the road because that's a big problem in a lot of states is uninsured drivers and so and then obviously I have no accidents on my record I have the multi-vehicle discount because I have 17 cars they know I can't drive all 17 at the same time and so that helps a lot too do you ever get pulled over yes of course of course but I haven't been pulled over in a long time knock on wood knock I'm not yeah yeah yeah um do they know you by now I feel like if they they know these cars right right right they just see you in the sea and they're like come on so the last time I got pulled over I was in an 812 super fast and I was I was here in Salt Lake and I pulled onto the onto the on-ramp onto the freeway and I I pulled on at like 70 80 miles an hour like very within the speed limit and a Crown Victoria I can see him in my rearview mirror and he's weaving through traffic and he comes up next to me and they're fans they know who I am and and initially I thought it was like an undercover cop or whatever and they were fans and there was a kid in the back and they rolled down the window and they're waving to me and everything and the kids's like let's hear it let's hear it so what did I downshifted right I downshifted from fifth into third and I punched it and about I don't know eight seconds later there was a Utah Highway Patrol right behind me lights light up it was a like F-150 and I was just like are you kidding me cop saw the whole thing go down he was super cool he was familiar with the channel he's like I saw what they did I saw they were encouraging you know obviously don't do that next time but I totally get it let me off with a warning so he was familiar with the channel and I think that definitely helped me I mean him seeing the whole scenario helped a ton as well right being a nice guy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and I I mean you know I I accelerated I didn't go I wasn't going 130 or anything I didn't even touch 100 miles an hour I think I you know went up to 95 or whatever but he was pretty cool about it um I've had really good luck but I also think I'm pretty smart with how I drive the cars uh you know every every car guy is guilty of going over the speed limit at some point but I'm very particular with when I do it and how I do it I never sustain high speeds right I don't weave in and out of traffic I might do an acceleration onto and onramp and uh if I go fast I ship the coning egg to Florida and I go 225 I got pulled over recently actually with Jack he was oh my gosh horrified I was because it was it was off the freeway and you're going through these small towns and was one of these towns where the speed limit goes from like 65 to like 35 like really fast right and I'm telling Jack about this house they came on the market in Oregon I was really excited about this house and I was like it's surrounded by water you got to take a look and we're just talking about it and I'm not looking at the speed and I look over at the side and there's a car with like the radar I'm like he's going for me because I look down I see I'm going too fast sure enough the car pulls out and I'm like he's going after me pull over and and the guy walks up to the car seems like a younger officer and I think he watched the channel as well didn't say anything right didn't say anything but looked at like they kind of gave me a double take where it's like you know that look when they recognize that they're not 100% yes sir and I'm like I'm so sorry I got my wallet in in the trunk and if you would allow me to like get out of the car I'll grab it from the trunk and he goes no I think I think you're okay okay he had to have known you yeah um so then I took a picture of my license I have it on my phone and I showed it to him he's like all right I'll be right back and I just asked like hey I'm I I never asked like can I just get a warning right and he walks back comes back with a with a thing for me to sign he says this is a warning amazing and after that I switched seats with Jack he didn't want to drive yeah he didn't not want to drive at all I was like all right no more driving I'm done it's not worth it I've been pulled over enough that now I I've gotten more comfortable like the first time I got pulled over I was a nervous I was I mean I couldn't like the cop's talking to me and I can't even complete a sentence right and now I get pulled over like here we go again but I've had really good luck because every time I get pulled over it's always for very like simple things I already like I know that you know like some sometimes like when I say simple like a speeding ticket to me is simple M it's more reckless driving if I'm going if I was going 160 and I got pulled over which I would never do but if I was then I would be a nervous repap right but I always think about it's like okay worst case scenario I get a$2 $300 ticket learn your lesson but I always keep I always keep it in at least a relatively safe speed I always worry when they pull you over I would love to be honest and just say hey I'm so sorry I know I was going 82 in this 65 and I was you know not paying attention I'm so sorry because I think they appreciate for sure but then if you ever try to dispute the ticket they have everything on record and then you're on record is saying this and so it's technically better not to say anything right to stay silent hand the license registration but then I feel like they look at that and was like Hey if you just admitted to it we'd let you off so it's like where's the line never know so I'm always terrified to say too much the key is to never State the speed you were going so just going too fast yeah yeah I mean like never State oh I know I was going 82 like never never say that that's for sure you could apologize and say oh I was going a her like you know say like talk about life excuses but don't ever acknowledge that you actually were speeding because you just never know what cop you're going to get I've been pulled over a couple times where the cop is super cool and you think you are free and clear right and then they come back with something and then other cops are really rude and jerks and then they come back like all right get out of here you just like never know so I used to get pulled over in La quite a bit uh and what would help was that they would usually site me for window tint cuz they want to get you on something always window so if I'm going a little too fast or maybe I don't have a front plate or something like that they like hey put the front plate on or hey you know just slow down a little bit here's a window tin ticket they want to give you something so for me that was like all right I'll take that one I'll pay that because then they feel good too you know they get something I get something everyone is happy I've gotten a handful of window T tent tickets many times what's something about owning a superar or a hyper car that people may not expect I have found that one of my favorite cars to drive is my new Lotus Amira and the thing I love about that car is that it's really fun it's really fast it's different it's Unique but when people see it there's no ego attached to it whereas when I drive like the Koenig egg or especially the Aventador I just feel like people judge me so much wherever I go like some people love you some people hate you some people you're bothering some people you're a Godlike figure right but it just it Garners so much attention that there's lots of times I'm like I just don't I don't want to portray myself in that image right now but the lotus is so much fun because you go out nobody knows what it is it's very it's it people know it's a little bit different but it's not flashy so I think that's the big thing as I get older that I crave the attention less and less and less and less and the reason I own the cars has nothing to do with the attention whereas I think non-car people would see something like this and they'd be like oh that guy just wants a bunch of attention but that's not it at all it's 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much Babel for sponsoring this episode and back to the podcast what car will get the most head turns if you're driving Vador the by far by far and why is that like the sound I think the sound of it everybody knows Lamborghini it's funny like the kig egg you'd be surprised like it actually gets a lot less attention than the Aventador um even though it's way more valuable way more rare people just know Lamborghini and this one I mean this aventor has got pink wheels uh the exhaust is I mean you can hear this car coming from three miles away right so the exhaust as well um the doors go honestly day with the carbon fiber like it just glows like people can people just know they know what that is this is almost so obscure that it's kind of like if you know you know kind of car what car would you say barring the price barring anything gives you the best Driving Experience like it's the most fun the most controll the handling it's tough because like everybody every car guy is so different like everybody looks for different things in cars right for me I think about the cars that I fell in love with as a kid right and a Manuel Mercy Lago to me is just the end all be all it's uh you know it's it's rare the doors go up it looks like a a fighter jet um manual transmission it's got enough power to me that's just like quintessential car now Mercy logo on a racetrack not a good car not a great car um but just cruising on the highway or or uh hitting a canyon by yourself where you're not looking to at a lap record you're just looking for just like just the emotion and passion of a car to me Emanuel Mercy logo is like quintessential what if someone has 40 Grand that's their budget what would Lotus Elise you had a you had a Lotus back in the day I had an Elise as well I had an Elise I sold that for the exe yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean I love Lotus we're kind of a little nerdy though cuz like I feel like Lotus doesn't get the love that a lot of other brands get most people say 40 Grand you get a Supra you get a you know a BMW what whatnot but I just love the Lotus because it still has that exotic feel to it that specialness to it that I really like I've always loved as as a car spotter for me it was always about like the the chase like finding the rare cars the exclusive cars and a Lotus is just the it's just the cheapest most exclusive exotic car money can buy and it's a great driver's car I mean it's it's it's lightweight it's Nimble it's a manual transmission looks cool uh it's got a Toyota engine so it's cheap to maintain I I owned one and and I I missed that one but the Amir is very very cool as well this is g to be kind of an annoying question because it might take a bit to think about but what car when you first saw it impressed you the most out of any car you've seen kig EG kig EG I still remember the first time first time I saw kig EG was on a YouTube video and it was this obscure you didn't know how to pronounce it uh where did this carve come from and you see the doors open I mean doors like come on it's so cool like nobody can look at those doors open and not be mesmerized and as far as there's like a first impression of a car you just never seen anything like it and there's so many so many cars or you know evolutions of another car you've seen this before you know like the Kosh was revolutionary when it came out because it had the scissor doors but when the Diablo came out they'd already seen it You' already seen the mer like Mercy doors go up You' already seen it but the kig said was something like never seen this before ever and and you know kig really didn't come from come to the Forefront of society until like 2008 2009 so I was 20 years old at that time and you're seeing a car you're 20 years old you've seen every car in the world and you've never seen anything like it so the kic egg really left a big impression on me what was it like owning a Bugatti now you could look back at it right right it was the Bugatti was an amazing car but part of why I bought it was in a way to check a box it was it was almost like to own a Bugatti been there done that move on overall the experience was was great but selling it I didn't lose any sleep I didn't miss it really it was my car was reliable I drove it a lot had a lot of fun but I have had more fun owning an Aventador how much did you sell it for a million 50 who bought it um long story short Houston negotiated the deal and he sold it to another guy in Las Vegas kind of it's it's in Vegas it's like dude he lives like down the street from you not down the street but yeah he lives in Vegas yeah he's in Vegas yeah I had no idea uhuh he's on Instagram that's cool yeah wow but it it was a cool car I mean maintenance on a Bugatti is obviously crazy right uh oil changes are out of control it's like 20 grand uh you know the tires are insane they're $38,000 a set but the cool thing about the Bugatti they are by far and way the most reliable hyper car ever built you cannot touch the reliability of a Bugatti I owned my car I serviced it once a year it was a lot of money and then I drove the car the rest of year and never had any issues I mean there was a couple minor I think you had the one where you couldn't back it up or there was I had I had an e bra issue happened uh where the emergency break uh got caught that was Human air Bugatti covered it for me okay it wasn't a big deal yeah it it was just like a human air that happened and uh issue was sorted and I was back on the road so as far as like an actual like mechanical issue though never had any issues with it drove it 8,000 miles in two and a half years do you know your total cost of ownership on the Bugatti I've never done I've never done the math on it I bought it for $880 I serviced it there was a $20,000 service a $30,000 service a $2,500 service I think that's about it I'm telling you right now that would be a banger video if you did if you actually added up how much you bought it for the taxes maintenance right that would be good insurance gas over those four years by the time you sold it right I have a feeling it's going to be positive it oh 100% 100% it's positive I know I know that for sure I know for sure it's positive oh even crazier for the video if you added up the ad Revenue you made from the Bugatti videos do we include the sponsored content too how does sponsor content work if you're comfortable well no it's sponsored content is weird because how do you attach it to an individual video right CU you would be making a video regardless I would say no sponsored content but only videos that you made specifically on the Bugatti cuz you'd fit is sponsoring something else if it wasn't that one well we filmed the video last time you guys were here where we raced the Teslas yeah that video did really well was like 2 million views or something wow couldn't have done that video without the Bugatti it's true and that's why I mean it's it's just crazy how how YouTube Works how you can justify a purchase like that because buying the Bugatti was not that scary for me because I'd already tested the method I'd already like I'd already I'd already proven it with the guyard with the aventor I'd worked my way up to it so when I got the Bugatti I already knew it was going to work this one on the other hand was this one scary okay so this one I'm still terrified of this are you kidding me this car was a once in A- lifetime opportunity why did you buy it so this car and I have a very unique history this car was um owned by a guy who was in California and on the gumball 3 ,000 he loaned the car to Lewis Hamilton so Lewis Hamilton drove this car in the Gumball from Los Angeles to Las Vegas and I want to say it was 2015 2016 I'm I'm not sure but uh Lewis Hamilton drove the car I was living in Utah at the time and I had never seen a coning zagara and I heard he was driving it so I it was over the weekend I drove my Audi down to to Los Vegas and uh waited around all day you know these rallies they're always behind schedule I get to the to the Finish Line it's like noon and leis Hamilton finally shows up at like 9:00 p.m. so I'm sitting around for 9 hours waiting for these cars to come in and you know L Hamilton drives a car in I have this cool shot of him getting out of the car and like waving to the camera and whatnot and and it was just like mind-blowing that I saw a kig egg but it was a Friday night and I was going to be in Vegas all weekend so Saturday morning I was sleeping in my car I was living in Utah working as an accountant but when I would go on trips I would still sleep in my car to save money so uh slept in my car car that night woke up first thing in the morning and I started just driving around Las Vegas trying to find the gumball cars to film more videos and I stumbled across the coning egg it was on the top floor of the parking garage at the Bellagio and I found it there sitting with a bunch of the other Gumball cars super excited and so I just parked up my Audi in the parking lot and I filmed a bunch of stuff on it and I just sat there and I was going to wait for the car to leave because at this point like I kind of vlogged on camera but most of it was just filming cars right and I really wanted to get a startup clip I wanted to get more driving footage etc etc and so I sat around all day on this parking garage all day and the car never left it sat there all day so Saturday night I go find my camping spot wherever sleep in the car wake up Sunday morning and I go and the car's still there and I wait around all day but around like I don't know 1 2 p.m. uh they come out to the car finally and the car has a dead battery the kicc has a dead battery because it's been sitting out for you know couple days who knows the car didn't get driven that often it probably was like low voltage or the battery needed replaced or whatever I was really shy at the time I didn't have the confidence level that I do now and one thing led to another and and the guy was trying to figure out a way to open up the car door and he's on the phone and he needed a set of tools and I had a set of tools in my Audi because my Audi always broke down I always had tools with me and so that's kind of how the conversation started I had this this toolbox and and uh somehow he's on the phone with coning seeg he might have been on the phone with Christian B coning seeg for all I know and there's a there's a way to remove one of the reflectors on the back end of the car but you need like a Phillips head screwdriver and once you remove that there's a manual pull that will open up the rear deck lid so he used my tools uh to open open this up and the whole time I'm mesmerized because I'm I'm talking to a guy who's affiliated with a kig EG like this is the only kegga Garett in the entirety of North America like this is insane Le Hamilton was driving it and uh eventually like he gets access to the battery but right on the battery it says do not jump start right like do not jump start but we don't have a jumper pack or anything and and I have jumper cables in my car as well because my Audi breaks down all the time like I come prepared no matter where I go and I was like we can we could like hook up the jumper cables to my Audi and he's like looking around doesn't know what to do like his trailer cuz he's going to trailer the car back to LA his trailer is like two three miles away he doesn't know what to do and so sure enough I get in my Audi I pull up my Audi next to this conic zag I pull out my jumper cables and we hook it up so my Audi like I have this photo of my Audi hooked up to a kig egg and you know when you jump start a car obviously you're supposed to like turn on turn on your car and and you know to draw more power but we don't want to blow up this battery cuz it's a it's a Swedish car like parts are very obscure and it says do not jump jump start and so we attempt to we're thinking maybe we could get just enough power to at least open up the door right cuz right now we can't even get the door open and unfortunately we just can't we can't get enough and uh the guy has a jumper pack back at his truck and I offer to give him a ride I'm like I'll give you a ride there we can go get the jumper pack and once again he's like looking around he's got like I'm just like a car spotter kid and I'm I'm dingy right I haven't showered in three days I'm you know yeah I'm just a kid and I've been sleeping in my car and he says yes so all of a sudden I get in my Audi and I'm looking around in my passenger seat there's like Taco Bell like wrappers everywhere I have my pillow and my comforter like sitting there I have dirty clothes in the back seat because I've been sleeping out of the car for two or three days and all of a sudden it's like this Mad Dash you're just like grabbing everything and trying to you know push it to the back because once again I don't know who this guy is he's got a Conex egg though right like this guy is like and especially back then like you're in awe of any kind of superar hyper car owner and so you know he gets in the car he's super nice and uh you know we we drive the two miles to get his jumper pack or whatever and and uh we get back to the car and he hooks up the jumper pack and sure enough it's enough power he opens the door he lets it sit there for a couple minutes and the car fires up so I'm thinking I'm done right like this is it and last ditch effort I'm like is there any way I could go for a ride and and like it's an immediate no immediately no and I I'm not I'm not fussed at all I'm like I totally get him you know like it is a conic egg like I don't even I shouldn't be touching this car the fact that I got to sit in it cuz you let me sit in it earlier the fact that I got to sit and it was amazing and then like as I'm walking away he's like ah get in and I get in the car and it was like I mean at this point i' had never ridden in anything like I hadn't I had I I think I'd ridden in a Gallardo and I I you know maybe I'd sat in some other cars but I am in a kig egg and I am we are driving out of the bagio I mean you could imagine the chaos that like I feel like a rock star it's just it's just wild and then we we pull onto the Las Vegas Strip and uh he takes me back to the truck or whatnot and and I told him when I got in the car I was like I'll just walk back like I'll walk back to my car and bear in mind I'd only been to Vegas maybe once or twice I didn't have a smartphone or anything I have no idea how I'm going to get back to my car but I don't care right like it doesn't matter and uh we I help him load up the coning EG back into the trailer and you know I'm just like on top of the world right and then uh he's like do you know how to get back to your car and I'm like I I was like I don't know I'll figure it out don't worry like I'm just like I don't care like don't you're fine like don't worry about it he ends up taking me back in the truck and drops me off in front and I walk up to the parking garage but I remember like the whole drive home I mean I am just like best day of my entire life I mean just like unbelievable the fact that I saw a coning egg I got to sit he took me for a ride in it like and I'll take you guys both for rides later yeah this car is unlike any other car I mean the windshield the way it wraps around you the way the doors open the V8 is like bolted to your spine the transmission is so violent it's so fast I mean it is just a roller coaster this car is it's the greatest car ever built and so I mean like getting that experience back then it was it was life-changing did you ever find out who that guy was yeah I yeah we're friends now yeah yeah we're yeah the day that I got the car I let him know and I mean obviously how did you guys keep in touch um randomly we lost touch for many years and then through another friend who worked with this guy we got reconnected amazing yeah for him that's got to be crazy seeing you the first time with the pillow and the comforter I mean I was a I was a kid like I mean I was just a car and like if you if you drive around a coning likey like you deal with these car spotter kids all the time right like they're they they all blend in they're all diamond doz and there's these kids with cameras chasing you around it's fun it's kind of annoying but it's fun and you know you were like that as a kid too and so yeah I mean he must be so confused shocked so what was going through your mind when this came up for sale or like how did you coordinate all of this so ironically the car uh went up for sale man probably three years ago and I remember seeing it for sale I owned the Veyron at the time and the asking price on the car I can't quite remember what it was it was in the twos maybe like 2.4 million and I was like oh my gosh I can't believe that car is for sale because the car is called the Agera HH and HH stands for Hein Meer Hansen the original owner of this car his name was David hinm Hansen and he had the car custom commissioned and he has a Pagani Z that is also called the HH and it's a matching spec it's blue with carbon so he has the two cars matching specs they're both hh's so when he owned the car like you never imagine the car is ever even going to come up for sale CU like the car is named after him so when the car came up for sale three years ago I was like how is this car even for sale this is amazing and the price was like extreme and I thought about it and then a week later it was gone and the card sold and sure enough Houston bought it in Vegas Houston had bought it and I was like I was so excited but so jealous at the same time right cuz I was like Houston owns this car which means there's a good chance I could go for a ride in it maybe he'll let me drive it or whatnot you know and he's Houston's such a great friend of mine right and uh so it was it was cool that it was at least in the family right but there was that that one moment right before he bought it where I thought maybe maybe I could get it and but it was you know everything happens for a reason I wasn't really ready for it anyways and I want to say in October of this last year he hit me up Houston hit me up and he wanted to get rid of it and he's like you're the first person I'm calling because I feel like the car needs to go in your hands you're the right owner for the car nobody I don't want to say deserves this car but like you're the one who deserves this car you have this story with this car salesman you love con you're going to drive the car you're going to enjoy the car like I want you to have I want you to have the car like what can we do to get you to have the car and I was like bro I I can't afford the car cuz they're going up in value like like this car is just going up in value every single day and so the car was worth a lot more than 2.4 million or whatever it was before I just kind of told Houston I was like I can't do it bro it can't happen he wanted to figure out a way to make it happen and and uh the leasing is what really made the deal happen being able to lease the car that was that was the the thing that I had never really considered that uh you know the tax advantage honestly was really what did it the tax advantages because you know leasing a car there's there's the ability to write off the lease payment especially when you use it the way that I do which is strictly for business use every single time I drive this car I'm filming YouTube videos Tik toks Instagrams I don't drive the car that much and 100% of the time I drive the car is for business use and so it actually works very well for a leasing situation yeah and obviously with the leasing situation you don't have to put as much money down uh the payments are big and the interest rates are a little bit higher but it it allowed me to get into a car that you know I really really couldn't afford to just pay cash for yeah so for the batti you were calling that a bit of a loss leader that it might not make money but at least it brings people into the channel right and then covid just completely spiked the value of cars do you view this the same way that it might be a loss leader or do you think you'd make money on this okay so when I bought the Veyron I felt felt like the car was undervalued like I genuinely thought the car is undervalued and I still think it's undervalued and when I sold the car for a million 50 I was like this car is going to be worth so much more the Veyron they built 450 of them the car in a lot of ways is the world's first hyper car th000 horsepower w16 four turbochargers top speed production car world record like the car is like a Holy Grail car that is very very undervalued so when I did buy it for 880 I knew the car was going to be worth more um I mean you just you just look at Trends right like generally when a car is 20 to 30 years old that's when it starts to appreciate in value you look at the 250 GTO you look at the McLaren F1 you look at the Ferrari F40 the Ferrari f50s like these cars all follow the same Trend now the hard part about the Bugatti is the maintenance the maintenance is always deterred a lot of people from buying the Veyron the tires have hurt the oil changes have hurt um and and the Driving Experience on the Veyron is a little bit [Music] more luxurious I guess you might say it's not nearly as raw as some cars and generally more analog cars tend to go up more in value more like driver focused cars but I still felt like the Veyron was undervalued now Co obviously changed the entire landscape and it spiked the value of the car a lot faster than I expected and that helped me you know get out of the car with a couple $1,000 gain at least especially if you include the content now the kig egg I also believe the same however I feel like the coning Z the ceiling is much much much higher I believe this car will be worth 5 million someday in the near future I think someday it could be 10 million it could go bigger than that the very upper echelon of the car market is very hard to predict the McLaren F1 you guys are probably familiar that car when I was in high school that car is worth about 2 million and now it's worth between 25 and 35 million probably uh that car is kind of a you know it's an outlier of sorts The Pagani Z is in a lot of ways sort of the successor to the McLaren one Zas a couple years ago were 2 three million for like a low you know a low spec Zonda S Zonda F whatnot and now good luck finding a z for you know under 7 8 nine 10 million so the Z is kind of following the footsteps of the McLaren F1 now you look at the production numbers of these cars McLaren F1 they build 106 of them The Pagani Z I want to say it's about the same about 100 cars uh the kic Sega gar there's 58 of these in the world uh the AA RS set the top speed production car world record uh keg as a brand is just growing and growing and growing in popularity I mean the younger generation kig EG is the number one brand by far I think most people dream of owning a coning egg like it's kind of become like the poster car brand uh of like sort of like the boutique Brands and so I just feel like this car is in a very unique spot to possibly follow the Z and F1 even if it doesn't it's still going up in value though but I think it does have the chance for that extreme appreciation if you were to upgrade in some way from the kig seg what would it be see that's what's so crazy about owning this car it's kind of like the end of the road it's kind of like the end you did it yeah I mean like obviously so this is in the kig EG world this is the Agera s they have an ER RS which is like you know the fancier version of this car you got more carbon fiber a little bit more horsepower bigger Arrow but the car is like a million2 million more right so you know you're getting very little benefit for a whole lot more money like massive diminishing returns that would be cool to own an Agera RS but because of my storyline attached with this car I don't think I would ever do that um there's this one car the Veno the Lamborghini Veno that's always been like my favorite car that's like the car that started my YouTube channel uh just with that initial success there the car you should buy is that specific Fano that one is sitting at the museum at the Lamborghini factory I don't think it'll ever be for sale but another one would be there's only 14 venenos in the world um so that car would be really cool those trade for $10 million probably super obscure cars maybe someday that could possibly happen but I don't think I would sell this for that I would have to be in a position to buy that and keep this car cuz this car is so special and that's part of the reason when I sold the Veyron it didn't hurt that bad because I bought this which is really like an ultimate drain car how much does it cost you to maintain 17 cars that's something that I should I should probably calculate you've done a video in the past breaking it down yeah yeah yeah and do you Do You Remember by chance what it was I don't most of the cars are really reliable one thing that I'm very U meticulous about is annual service every single car gets an annual service every single year which means more than once a month I have to take a car in for an annual service it is a constant flow of cars I have not had all my cars together in one single spot in five years because of that reason because when a car comes a car leaves like it's just constantly and uh the newer Exotics are so reliable so that really helps I mean like this Aventador this thing has been bulletproof you know the Supra the Lotus those cars are bulletproof the Kos the A spot I don't drive him that much so they don't break that much overall it's I'm probably 100 Grand a year I spend in maintenance now not that bad I would say the Koenig egg I just spent about 50 Grand on a service on this car but I don't think next year it'll be 50 Grand I think that was more like kind of a one-time thing um so I'd say I'd say about 100 Grand would you have to get done for 50 so the car just it needed a handful of things I took the car to Florida for a top speed event I was able to effectively like rent out a Runway and do a top speed run and I hit up coning egg the factory and you know I wanted to get the car fully dialed in because what I was doing was very risky and I didn't want to die and so they they went through the entire car we got brand new tires we upgraded the fuel pumps for maximum performance uh we upgraded the arrow we resal resealed a bunch of the stuff on the exterior um there was a couple other minor little things just to ensure maximum top speed now a lot of the things we did I probably could have got gotten away with that without doing but it was for the top speed event I wanted it done because last thing you want to do is blow a tire when you could have bought brand new tires and you know what was your top speed so it was 224 224 miles an hour what's the fastest you've ever gone in a 224 freaky were you terrified it was terrified cuz I feel like at that speed if there's one thing that goes wrong you could oh you're done for you're absolutely done for now I picked the right environment so the runway I was on was like you know a couple miles long perfectly flat uh closed down Runway obviously uh the car had been fully serviced the Kix egg Tech flew from Sweden out to Arizona to service the car brand new tires so was it was the right environment the the runway uh at the Kennedy Space Center is I don't know 500 meters wide I mean it it was just like the right environment right so from that point I did my did my due diligence but it's still terrifying right I mean I'm not a professional driver I didn't have a support team out there I'm also filming a YouTube video so I go out there it's Florida in March it's a billion degrees out the humidity off the charts I'm sweating like crazy I got to put on a full RAC suit racing helmet I'm also trying to film a video that is mildly entertaining I'm setting up GoPros making the making sure the batteries are charged I have the draggy uh mounted to the windshield f as well and we have 4 hours we have four hours to do all this but I want to work my way up to it right like you don't just get in the car and just pen it immediately and so you know the first run I went out and I was planning to do like 180 and I I was feeling so confident I just hit 207 wow but the issue you run into is that cars can heat soak so as soon as you do this top speed run the engine gets so hot you're going to diminish your performance a lot so you really need to let the car cool down for as long as you really can to then run it again but remember we're in Florida humidity is off the charts and we only have 4 hours and I want to do as many runs as I possibly can but I also want to work my way up to it so I don't want to just pen it immediately and try to hit 240 so I want to do that warm-up run and you know with all the filming etc etc before I knew it it's 10:30 and we have to be off the Runway at noon and I've only done one run at 20:7 and the car is still you no heat it's just heat soaked and so it it uh it was a very very good Learning lesson for me I only did one run where I actually fully pinned it from beginning to end and unfortunately I bounced off the rev limiter in six gear to seventh gear so I lost some power there it was a great experience but it was terrifying it was scary so what do you need to do to get it to 240 uh temperature would make a big difference so if I was to go there in January that would help a lot I want to say it was 80 degrees you know if it would have been I don't know 50 60 degre that would have had a big impact obviously not bouncing off the rev limiter that was a rookie mistake I probably lost a handful of miles per hour there and the big thing is the heat soaking so figuring out a way to cool the car down when you you know watch these manufacturers go and set these top speed production World Record Times you know they have a team of 17 Engineers right that are dialing the car in you know they have a big tent they have a bunch of fans that are cooling the engine down etc etc and and that would make a big impact being able to get the car to its optimal running temperature so doing the Run earlier in the morning would help um probably not filming it honestly would have a big impact uh the fact that I'm an amateur driver like if I went and did it again I'd have so much more confidence that I think I could go a lot faster partly because I wouldn't have to do the warm-up CU I did like 207 214 220 and then 224 so I did it four times but I think if I went back and did it again I would feel pretty confident to do 150 mph so I didn't heat soak the car go back let the car sit for an hour and then just go full send and try to do it at 600 a.m. 6 a.m. 7: a.m. do it in January when the temps are perfect I think that would help a lot I also don't know if this car the crazy thing about this car it's an agara S Kix seg never tested the top speed of this car so nobody actually truly knows if it could hit 240 or 250 although really quick before we go into that if you run your own business you know that No Better Sound than hearing and if you want to hear a bunch more then it's time to get started with their sponsor Shopify Shopify is the global e-commerce platform that has already helped transform millions of businesses worldwide for example Shopify is an endless list of Integrations thirdparty apps and flexible templates to help you customize your online store exactly how you want and what set Shopify apart from their competitors is their ability to turn browsers into buyers with the internet's best converting checkout that's 36% better on average than other leading e-commerce platforms and here's a fun fact guys Shopify actually Powers 10% of all 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in so I feel like I sold it for 305 so I mean I effectively lost 100 Grand on that what the content you were able to make with that even with that considered is it still at a loss yes because that car I didn't film a lot of content with so I bought I bought the white 812 and I had big plans to do a crazy build on the car I was going to do a widebody kit I wanted to paint it a custom interior like go crazy and then I got the car and I paid almost 400 grand for it and it was such a nice car I just couldn't do it I couldn't cut up the car and so I found myself in this very weird scenario in which I would just kind of drive it every once in a while and the car would just depreciate in value and I put an exhaust on it but I didn't film that many videos with the car and then I sold it and uh I ended up trading it in for a crashed 812 and the logic behind that is that that would be a car that I would feel comfortable to cut up and paint and to widebody let's talk about that because that was owned by Michael B Jordan yes do we know who was driving the car or is that not public yet don't no we can't say for sure it's registered to him so probably but I don't know I'm not sure I know that we had a mutual friend who was on the scene shortly thereafter he saw Michael B Jordan at the scene but he wasn't there to witness the accident there is video footage of it crashing though I saw that and uh yeah he whoever was driving lost the back end over corrected and hit a Kia on the side ofad you think there would be somebody who would keep filming and watch the driver get out of the car right I bet that exists and I bet if hypothetically that were a Michael B Jordan you would just say hey here a little money delete that part of the video you could keep everything else but delete that part I get itan it's still no one knows absolutely think it's like that many people were filming this car someone would see the person get out of the car well the weird thing about the footage is that it came out about 2 weeks after the accident happened the footage of a car actually crashing cuz Gordon fpot he filmed his video he was there at the scene he posted it the next day it wasn't until 2 weeks later that the footage of the car behind posted it on Instagram and all the news stations like I didn't that so yeah I mean you could be completely right who knows who knows what happened wow but you ended up buying it it's interesting story so that car ends up on Copart yes which is like for damaged salvaged cars you could go and bid on these things but you couldn't buy it because you weren't a dealer correct correct you didn't know any dealers who could just place a bid on your behalf so I probably could have but I was too late to it so the car popped up on Copart and I immediately saw the car and you know I don't know if it's Copart or states have different rules and laws and depending on where the car pops up for sale people like can buy them and this car popped up for sale in California and in California it's my understanding I'm not like an expert in the field you have to be a broker of sorts to purchase a car off Copart and the car was on Copart for such a short period of time before I noticed it I think it been on Copart for a while I just wasn't aware of it that by the time I had reached out to a couple of my friends who are Brokers the car had already sold now unfortunately the car sold for around $140,000 okay okay fast forward about a month or two later the car popped up on eBay and I saw it and immediately I was like I want this car and the value in the car showing up on eBay was that the car had already gone through like the salvage title process like the paperwork side because my understanding is when a car is in an accident um you know the title obviously it has to come back like if there's an insurance claim a new title is issued in the form of a salvage and the broker has a lot of um expert knowledge education to be able to do that so the car popped up on eBay I didn't have to worry about any of that I didn't have to jump through any Hoops I had the salvage title and they had kind of done I guess like a little bit of work to the car the wheel was reattached because in the accident when when the car hit the Kia the wheel detached from the car rolled down the road but then on the eBay ad the wheel was reattached to the car the wheel was also reped it had been repainted and the suspension assembly was also reattached and it appears to be brand new now the the suspension assembly on an 812 Superfast is probably a $10,000 part so you know there's a lot of value in that I ended up buying the car for $187,000 so basically the car sold on Copart for $40 I bought it for $17 so the broker who got the car off of Copart made anywhere between I don't know 30 and 45,000 probably on the transaction do you have to pay sales tax when you buy a salvaged car yep yep so that's oh I guess as a dealer maybe just as a dealer you don't have to correct correct you don't have to and when I traded my white 812 in it was traded in on the salvage title a12 so I didn't have to pay sales tax either because I traded in the car and so your plan is to fix up this car correct how's that going well so unfortunately in my Infinite Wisdom I bought the car on eBay sight unseen looked at all the photos did all the research I could I flew out to California to Sacramento to pick up the car or sorry I trailered my truck out to California to look at the car I should have flown out to California and as soon as I got out there I discovered the car had frame damage so the upper and lower frame rails on the passenger side had holes in them the size of like a baseball now the eBay photos were taken in a very very specific way that you could not see that frame damage so that was very unexpected so when I bought the car for 187 I was thinking oh you know I'll probably have to put in maybe 40 50 Grand to get this car up and running once I got there and I saw the frame damage I was like this is a whole different ball game because all of a sudden to repair an aluminum frame on a Ferrari is not a simple process and but I'd already paid for the car already wired the money why would you buy the car and wire the money without like inspecting the car like that I got caught up in the YouTube game because think about it it's a celebrity-owned car so that's going to help the content the accident was captured on camera I want an 812 super fast 2 because the white 812 that I have I just don't have I can't I don't want to cut it up it's too nice of a car it's too perfect of a car the damage on this car in the photos appeared to be perfect for what I wanted to do I wanted to do a widebody kit the kit that I'm getting comes with a replacement front bumper replacement front fender like it's the perfect car and it has the celebrity aspect rebuilds are you know so popular on YouTube right now that I got caught up in it like YouTube has a way of saving everything because at the end of the day you'll always get the videos even when a bad thing happens and you know I looked at airfare and airfare is so expensive right now it's like 800 bucks to fly to Sacramento I'm like no I'm good how is it that much money you you couldn't find like a Southwest oh I mean in the morning I I didn't look into it that much I just got so excited because I felt like I had missed out on the car when it was on Copart and so as soon as it popped up on eBay I was like that's the Michael B Jordan car I sent it to fpot immediately all my friends are all talking about it you know and of course they're all like yeah every go yeah do it do it do it do it do it and yeah I mean I I made a stupid decision I mean there's no there's no excuse for it and I'll never do it again like lesson learned like sometimes you hear other people make mistakes and you're like ah I'll never make that mistake you really kind of have to make the mistake yourself to kind of learn because it has frame damage that means I had to pull the motor I had to trailer the C to Pennsylvania I'm going to have to pay you know 20 $30,000 extra so it's a lesson learned hard lesson learned so on the Ferrari how much do you expect knowing what you know now how much is that going to cost I'm going to say the a12 super fast is the biggest mistake I've ever made financially buying this crash car because Ferrari is so incredibly hard to work with so the parts are just out of control expensive the upper dashboard on the a12 just the leather piece where the passenger airbag blue is $88,000 just the top piece of the dashboard is8 Grand the airbag that sits inside is like 1,500 bucks is there a way to buy this wholesale or no you're just stuck so I tried to buy as much as I can on eBay or there's some there's a couple uh random websites in Europe as well that sell like used Ferrari parts and I've tried to find as much as I can the issue is like there's just not that many 812 super fasts that are ever built right and there's even fewer that are in accidents and so there's very few secondhand parts available and something like a dashboard you know most accidents that involve a Ferrari if it has a passenger that airbag is going to go off that dashboard is going to need to be replaced right yeah so why can't you just sell it right now take absolutely I could absolutely I could I could absolutely walk away from it and the nice thing about you know the YouTube channel that I've created I have always been very open and honest with my audience it's I mess up up all the time I make fun of myself all the time and I think my audience would understand if I wanted to give up but I don't I'm not ready to give up yet like I would rather take an L learn all these lessons from this have the satisfaction of repairing the car myself and yeah enjoy the car from there on out and and remind myself every single day anytime I buy a car especially a crash car fly out and do an inspection it'd be a good reminder for that but the cool thing is at the end of the day the YouTube content will always be more interesting when bad things happen now I would never purposely make bad things happen but it's more interesting for a viewer to see this happen I mean to see me and my girlfriend remove a V12 engine out of Ferrari as somebody who's never pulled a motor out of any car it's got to be fairly interesting to the to the viewer and and for me it's been a great educational experience too yeah I like watching a lot of hoovies garage a man yeah tar is a man though the coolest thing about all of this is the car YouTuber community and the rebuild sector they're the nicest guys like I buy this car tvarish texts me immediately he's like dude you need anything you need me to fly out come help you you have any questions I'm always here both of you working on that car it' be really cool see you helping him with his McLaren I don't know if I'd be much help but I could at least go say hello and I also got to shout out Matt Armstrong cuz Matt reached out to me as well so Matt tar both reached out to me and then Jack who works with tvar he also reached out to me so the three of them you know they were all there like any given moment I can ask them questions which has just been it's just been really nice at like in this day and age when there's so much competition that these guys are just like so helpful and willing to help you know a fellow car guy yeah so what's going on with the car market right now because we're seeing prices begin to come back down the Cyber truck was something that I've been watching a lot and I saw prices start at like 180 Grand and then every week they've been dropping by $10,000 a week now I saw one that recently sold for 108 which would have been cheaper than if I had bought one and paid sales tax on Sir ironically you would say that I canel my cyber truck because I've been watching the market the same way as youo so I I first saw them come out I had one on order and you know they're trading for 200 Grand or whatever and uh sure enough though as they started to flood the market it's yeah it's legit every sing week a cheaper one is out there for 10 grand less 10 grand less 10 grand less and I was like I'm not going to spend $120,000 on a brand new Cyber truck when I can buy a used one and especially for social media the Cyber trucks are just everywhere I mean I saw I saw four in a matter of 15 minutes the other day when I was filming a video I mean they're around every single street corner and I think that's just sums up the market as a whole though like all car values like what happened during covid is probably never going to happen ever again like that was such a unique moment in time and I think we almost need to remind ourselves that that wasn't normal and we have to change our thought process to back to 2019 because most of the time a car comes out at MSRP you drive it off the lot you lose 10% Like that's what it used to be our whole lives until covid happened before like cars would trade over for MSRP and so I think the market is just correcting back to that old normal is what's happening and I think the Cyber truck is you know the pure definition of that and someday I'll pick up a cyber truck I bet for 50 60 Grand maybe even in a year or two so what do you think the most overpriced car is right now that you think is going to depreciate in value I mean I think I think the EVS are taking a big hit right now yes but there're but they're so cheap that I'm looking at some of the uh Tesla prices right on Facebook marketplace right there was a Tesla Model 3 that the guy put it up I think it was a 2020 and he was asking like 20 grand it was low miles and I was like how is this a $20,000 car that two years ago would have been 38 right right right wild they're so I think yeah and I think I think the Teslas it's crazy they're that cheap I don't know if it's just supply and demand there's just so many model 3es that have been sold that eventually that's just going to happen no matter what because there's so many on the market that eventually somebody's going to want to sell a car and they're going to make theirs the lowest on the market and somebody else and it's just going to drive the price down but I think I think the EVS that are non- Teslas especially the luxury ones are going to take the biggest hit mainly because I had a Hummer EV it was one of the coolest trucks of all time I loved that thing I sold it to shore up some money to get the cing egg but I took that truck to Moab once and it was the biggest disaster of my entire life because the Tesla charging network is incredible you can take a Tesla anywhere in the United States and you can charge it you have tons of range you can use a supercharge you can be charged in 20 30 40 minutes but the third- party charging Network for all the other brands is atrocious I took I took the hum V to Moab and you know every single other charger was broken the ones that would work were charging at like three miles an hour I had to get the thing towed to a hotel it was the middle of wintertime it was just like the biggest disaster and after that experience dealing with you know that fatigue of dealing with low range I wouldn't leave the Salt Lake Valley with my Hummer and this is a truck that was $10,000 right like this is a luxury truck that I feel like I cannot take more than 50 miles away from my house so I feel like the luxury EVS non Teslas are going to take a big hit as people share in my experience now Tesla did recently open up their charging networks to other brands but as far as my understanding is it's not really like not every single charger is that way yet like they're slowly integrating it yeah do you think the used car market is going to crash AB I think it already is I think it already started to I mean values are plummeting everywhere on all cars there's so many cars available on the market I don't know if it's going to crash per se I think it's just going to correct more than normal because Co spiked the value so much so let's pretend there's a world in which Co never happened what would these cars be worth I think that's what they're going to Plum it to so what a normal car would depreciate over the course of a year is now going to depreciate what it would 3 years I think is what's going to happen so what i' I've heard the argument that repos are increasing because a lot of people took on loans right on these cars at high interest rates because they could afford it during covid right things are changing and it's easier because they're upside down on these loans just to walk away from their payment because you got to think of all these people that got these pickup trucks that's to say $70,000 it's now worth 40 but their loan currently is 55 right they can't get out of it without paying off this loan where they going to come up with $115,000 just give the car back get a hit on your credit but at least at that point you don't have to pay the 15 I think that that has happened across all the car market the Exotic Market as well I mean there was so much money flowing through covid that so many supercars I mean it's so easy to get financing like I was saying earlier there's so many guys that are upside down in certain cars um you know Aventadors I'm not going to say they're like the Lost leader for depreciation right now but you know I bought this car for 240 Grand in 2017 and I thought the car would be worth like 180 after 3 or four years and then during Co this car spiked up to like 330 Grand and now Aventadors this probably back down to like 240 so it's kind of like gone like this and uh you know I think that that is just going to continue dropping that way across all cars it's funny I look at Facebook Marketplace probably every other day for cars not even in the market I just like seeing what's for sale and then thinking hm this would be kind of fun the bent the Bentley Benta is the one C that I've seen there was one that was priced recently in the 60s that was like a $300,000 SUV Insanity yeah Bentley Aston Martin Maserati you want to lose some money go buy a new one of those why do they depreciate so much I think it's the clientele Aston Martin is a is a weird hybrid it's a little bit of an Enthusiast brand but also a luxury brand but let's let's use Bentley as the example Bentley is ultra right if you're the kind of person that wants a Bentley you're also the type of person that I think wants to have a brand new car you don't want a Ed car you don't want somebody's secondhand car you want to spec it out you want to be whined and DED at the Bentley dealership so you're going to go buy a new Bentley and I think that that you know they they depreciate on their normal Trend there's no buyer for a used Bentley bag at 200 Grand you know there's no buyer for a used Bentley B at 150 Grand because the type of person who wants a BGA either wants it new or they the type of person like I can get a Bentley for 100 grand so I think that's why the Bentley and the luxury cars depreciate so much whereas the Enthusiast cars I think they depreciate a more traditional depreciation curve you know what's funny Jack you don't even know about this um I think about eight months ago I was bidding on a a Bentley uh GT oh yeah believe it or not it was a 2006 why were you bidding on a Bentley okay it was probably like 18 Grand let yeah so the story behind it Harry who used to service my Lotus Elise was selling this on bring a trailer on behalf of his buyer but it had no service history records because this guy Harry is like an independent guy and he's not it never went through the like the official Bentley dealership Route it was just Harry working in the car I trust Harry completely but because of that a lot of people are really hesitant like Harry you've been working in this car we've never heard of before I knew him I knew the car was good uh the guy who owned the Bentley I believe was also part of the Lotus Group uh so I felt super comfortable with this car and given the its lack of History through like the dealership I was like if this car sells at like 25 Grand it it's a steal so I was bidding on the car up until I think it was like 245 then hovies gon Tyler got you boy then he started bidding it he bit it all the way up to 30 which was way but I thought at 25 Grand I could make money in this car 100% so I lost out but5 it sold at 30 and hu's garage bought it and then sure enough he made a video a few weeks later and it was like a check engine light was on but he it it turned out to be like just an a fault code and sorted out for like a 100 bucks Fant selling the car no I think you still has it huh yeah but yeah 25 grand for like a car like this and I think it had like 30,000 miles on it it was a great deal you make money on that so i r like I reasoned there would be no sales tax in the car private party buy the car at 25 get to say you own a Bentley drive it for like a year and you could probably sell it worst case 25 so you get a free car I always forget you guys have the sales tax not loophole it's legal in Nevada where you buy private party you don't pay sales taxes and what's what's even crazier is that the registration in Las Vegas is based on the original MSRP of the car not the sales price and then they depreciate it every year up to the first 15 years so when I got the 4 GT there was no sales tax on that so that saved 10% right as buying it in California and then my registration was based on the original MSRP of the car back in 2005 depreciated over 15 years the registration on that car was 400 bucks that's all I paid on my car that's Insanity $400 so jealous yeah one of the reasons I bought that car because I knew I wouldn't lose money on it and $400 registration it just everything worked out on that yeah it's amazing I wish so bad Utah I spent so much money on sales tax I it's out of control out of control especially if you don't keep a car very long yeah that really really hurts why you become a dealer because you're buying and selling cars so often I've thought about I've thought about it uh to have a dealer you know there's there's a little bit of paperwork not a big deal but you have to have a location that is zon owned for a dealer you have to have operating hours and you truthfully have to be in the business of buying and selling cars right and that's just not what I do so I mean you do though you buy and sell more cars I know but that's not the purpose like the the letter of the law is that you buy a car and you get the car and you immediately like you know you you do whatever you need to do to get it prepped and ready for sale and you are making a a true and conscientious effort to actually sell the car and and I'm not doing that with a lot of cars yeah I feel like you could put every car for 10% more than what it's worth true true because there's the celebrity factor to it maybe there shouldn't be and hey if I think some people would argue there's a 10% reduction because I owned the car I don't know I think for your audience they'd gladly pay more for the car just because it's your car I think it adds some Allure to it and it's it's a cool story like when you sold the uh the Nissan I think it's just cool to be like hey it was owned by the stradman right right well most people they they come here to Utah and they get to see the cars and you know sometimes they go for a ride in a car whatever yeah I mean it is it is a fun experience from that standpoint and most of the time they're featured in in the video too which is fun too yeah and it's it's it's cool from my standpoint to meet everybody but yeah the dealer I mean it it could be cool but it just it also would be more complicated okay it would just complicate my life and sometimes Simplicity is better than complications but yeah sales tax and that's that's one of the reasons maybe I'd move to Nevada someday is is that alone I me that would save me so much money not paying tax on private party transactions CU half the cars in here I've bought private party a lot of money yeah speaking of the stereotypes of a Bentley purchaser what are the stereotypes of people that drive other cars it's funny because there's like the stereotypes that I think the outside the car world people see they see Lamborghini The Stereotype would be gold chains uh you know just like like look at me big time ego the funny thing is that in my experience the Lamborghini owners are actually some of the nicest most normal easiest uh friendliest people to hang out with whereas Ferrari owners are snobby look at me I'm too good for you you know even the dealership are different too buying car parts are harder at Ferrari like you know you go to the Lamborghini dealership everyone's like what's up dude you know uh good to see you you know the kids come into to the dealership hey you guys want to sit in the car you go to the Ferrari dealership they won't even sometimes talk to you and when they do they're they're you know a little bit demeaning and rude to you as well not every variety of their ship bear in mind but a lot of them are and a lot of owners are that way like we'll do drives with a bunch of supercars there might be 15 Lamborghinis a dozen Porsches Aston Martin and like one Ferrari so like the Ferrari owners tend to like keep to themselves and stay in their little in their little group more often than not uh modifying Ferraris is like kind of looked down upon as well so Ferrari I don't know Ferrari owners probably fit The Stereotype the most I think whereas most the other car brands are pretty like I don't know I I I don't know they're overall uh Porsche is known for being the Enthusiast car from what I can tell over what's interesting about porsa Porsche is changing dramatically right now like you go back 10 years ago the people who love Porsche were bu the book Enthusiast but now Porsche has become almost like there's obviously all the real Enthusiast there's a lot of people that have joined the car world that want to be considered enthusiasts and they don't know anything about cars but they know that Porsches are considered the Enthusiast cars so they buy Porsches because they want to be considered enthusiasts does that make sense like say say say you have a million dollars right you buy your house and you have you know your watch and your iPhone phone and and you want to come across as like successful and genuine and a real car guy what are you going to buy a GT3 RS because the entire car Community is going to bow down to you as being a genuine true car Enthusiast so what's weird is at 10 years ago those were the Enthusiast cars that the wannabe ego look at me car guys bought Lamborghinis but now it's almost switched in a weird way if that makes sense yeah and what do you think about investment grade cars like what cars do you think exist today that would be a good investment long term or even treating cars like investment Doug deir has been very outspoken that cars are not Investments and should never be treated as Investments I disagree with that I mean I've built an entire YouTube channel uh entire career uh with cars with with nothing I bought a Lamborghini guyardo and turned it into you know he's talking about content creators I think he's talking about the average person on cars and bids and like I'm going to make money with this however and and I I I see it from that standpoint as well but in this day and age I think you have to leverage your social media score or whatever you want to call it into everything you buy and and that that can be included in an investment um but if we take let's take that out yeah let's take social media out entirely I have bought a handful of cars that I have known with 100% certainty are going to go up in value just like the same mindset you'd have with real estate that Manuel Mercy logo I paid 275 for that car I knew with 100% certainty it was going to go up in value how did you know that I've been a car guy my whole life I I love cars I know exactly what cars are going to go up in value they're the cars that that when you were a little kid you saw them and your jaw hit the ground those are the cars that are going to go up in value so what are we looking at today that is undervalued I'll give you I'll give you my list the Acura NSX the new one which the new one the new one I think it's underappreciated I think it's a really good value right the original Audi R8 that's a manual transmission the v81 yep um I've been wrong about this so far the Tesla Roadster okay prices are coming you haven't been entirely they they've gone up a little they've peaked they peaked I bought I bought mine at the peak okay and they've been slowly going down since then yeah um the 4D GT I think is a good one which 2005 okay 2005 and six that's probably about it that I think is oh and the Honda S2000 so I will say there's a couple factors that are the most important and the not the number one factor but obviously production number I mean that that's everything right supply and demand is everything the reason the manual mer mercal logos have gone up so much in value is because IM mercal logo at its core is very very rare then you break it down to the manual transmission also very very very rare rare so that car is obviously going to be worth a lot especially as the brands evolve and change over time so Lamborghini is a brand and and I usually speak with Lamborghini because I feel more of an expert on the brand because I've owned so many Lamborghini they built you know 4,000 Mercy logos from beginning to end from 2002 to 2010 so very very low production number and now you have the hurac where they've built you know 14 to 20,000 of them so just that alone just shows that the Lamborghini brand is getting so strong so strong so strong those guys that have those new Lamborghinis are going to eventually want to have the older ones as well right like especially as you become collectors you're going to want to get the whole lineup of cars so that's going to drive the value up on the older cars that are very very rare So Rarity is always a very very important factor if you're to name three cars today that you feel like over the next 10 years would be great Investments what are those cars at any price point right right right right okay so an interesting car and and obviously the manufacturers play a huge role in this right but the mark 5 Supra the manual transmission Mark 5 Supra is very very rare now if Toyota continues if if let's say next year they they unveil another manual Supra and they build 10,000 of them this will be wrong but right now finding a manual Supra is almost impossible and I think someday you know in 10 years when the mark 5 is more appreciated like the markv super gets all the love all the attention but I think the mark 5 at some point will get it get its its day I think the manual ones will be worth a lot because they're so incredibly rare it's such a unique piece to have now I'm not saying this car is going to be worth like you know hundreds and hundreds of thousands but you know let's say it's worth 50 Grand maybe you could get one for 130 Grand right in a couple years or 10 in 10 years let's say so I I like that one you know I don't I don't follow the car market as closely as probably some people especially like I really follow the hypercar market like I'm very in tune with the hypercar market and the kig zeg you know we talked about that earlier there's a reason that I bought the car when I did and I stretched the budget so incredibly far because to me the kxa gar is the car that put Kix on the map that's when I discovered them that's when most people discovered them top speed production car world record the McLaren F1 is proed that method as far as uh you know appreciation so I think I think the kig egg but once again a lot of it depends on what the manufacturer does in the future right you know kig building the new jamera that's going to up the production uh of the entire car company like double overnight uh if they you know if they unveil more and more and more cars you know that'll that'll change the perception of the brand if they introduce an entry-level car that'll change the brand as well and so there's so many factors that are outside of our control that determine whether these cars you know continue to go up in value I think that uh Lamborghini as a brand is a really really undervalued brand I think the Kos koses have started to see their day you know I bought my car for $475 and it's probably worth like 600ish maybe but when you think of like you know you you look at the comparable cars you know Lamborghini is one of the biggest Automotive manufacturers in the world as far as perception right as far as like brand image like people see Lamborghini and the Kos is the car like that is that is in my mind sort of the car the flagship Lamborghini every Lamborghini after that was inspired by the Kosh you have the mura that was a very special car but I think Kos put Lamborghini on the map and you can pick up their Flagship Car there's 2,000 of them in the world and you can pick it up for half a million dollars then you look at Ferrari you look at the comparable car which would be the F40 they built about 1,200 f40s and those cars are trading for $3 to4 million so you have two brands that are very popular both Italian same kind of car that put each on the map same era the Ferrari's worth three million and the Kosh is worth 500 so I feel like the Kos definitely has room to go up a lot and Doug deiro has one and I think for the same reasoning yeah he has the same one right it's why on white yeah yeah he tried to buy mine did he actually I mean Loosely he texted me he's like would you ever sell your Kos I was like nope he's like that's what I thought I'm going to buy why you give him a high number say yes 800 100 Grand it's yours throw out a number where it's like you Doug and I are friends first off like I mean I don't want to rip somebody off I know if somebody offered me you know a million dollars for my Lotus I'm not going to do that I just feel bad you know what I'm saying like I'm not going to do that but see I think everything would have a price and you just say he okay if someone pays you 10 million for this for sure of course of course of course this car would make sense but I also know that Doug is a smart guy he's a friend of mine like there's there's a lot of white kosas out there there's enough white kosas out there I'm not ready to sell mine I'm not going to sell it at a discount I'm also not going to sell it I'm not going to try to rip off the guy and I'm not even G to suggest that he pays me 750 Grand because to me it's almost rude to do that because he's educated he knows the market I think he was hoping to probably just get the car for market value and you know I just gotten the car I've only owned it for at the time maybe a year or so and and I'm still enjoying the car and and uh you know I don't buy cars necessarily for investment reasons I've been lucky on a couple of them I've predicted a couple of them but I also buy the cars that I like and an investment you never really make the money unless you sell the car so like the mercy log is worth double what I paid for it but it doesn't really matter because I'm never going to sell the car yeah how do you decide what cars to buy purely off passion really yep just what I love do you not think like is this going to do well on YouTube like do you go yeah yeah yeah so I mean like there's there's two kind of thought processes there's some cars that I buy from me and there's some cars that I buy for YouTube and you know I I just sold a Nissan Z yesterday actually that was a car that I really bought for YouTube purposes you know I thought it would do well it was a new car uh there was a lot of modifications that I could do to the car and and so I bought it for that reason and and I got the car and I did enjoy it like it was fun I didn't drive it all the time and and I enjoyed it and then I sold it and and that was great and and it was a fun moment in time on YouTube but I definitely didn't buy that car as one of my my Ultimate Dream Cars whereas the or the asata the asata is the perfect example of a car that I bought for me that YouTube could care less about YouTube could not care about that car whatsoever but when I was a little kid I just thought it was cool and when it popped up for sale I just had to buy it and I filmed maybe one or two videos with that car and it's and it's fun and and you know I think the audience learned about the car car that they never heard about but for YouTube that was not a YouTuber car that was a me car and and then a lot of cars are a hybrid you know it's so cool is the Aventador is one of my favorite cars in the entire world and it also happens to be pretty much the perfect YouTube I would agree yeah I mean and that's why I have two of them I love and I want a third one like I love the Aventador so much it's it's just all around the best at everything business-wise and personal wise what do you think is the most overrated car oh man this has been going around a lot on Instagram lately so every everybody has been saying the GT3 RS is the most overrated car and I think it's very important to to understand the meaning of overrated right when I say the GT3 RS is overrated it is an amazing car it is an incredible car it is one of the best track cars of all time but the term overrated is saying that the car is rated higher than it is worth right effectively a GT3 RS is trading for what half a million dollars maybe in this amazing car but I just don't think it's it's worth half a million dollars and I don't track my cars I'm not a track guy so that means nothing to me I like to drive my cars on the street I don't care about lap times that car at 300 Grand is an incredible car and that's where porsa price the car they they stated the value of it and it's going for half a million out the door I would say that's that's overrated from a valuation standpoint let's do uh overrated and underrated for certain cars all right yes okay cyber truck I mean obviously overrated I mean like talk about the biggest gimmick right cyber Truck Yeah would say so I think it's pretty I I yeah I think it's cool but over cool and overrated are different right because everyone thinks it's very some people say that it looks horrible though like I feel like that's a pretty large contingent of people that feel that way so would that make it overrated because the general consensus is probably that it's pretty cool I think I think I think it's cool but I think it's overrated in the sense of all the hype and everybody paying over for it like I guess I'm looking at a Val I'm looking at it from an evaluation St point the one thing with a cyber truck is right now it's really really cool and the novelty of it is what makes it cool is that it's so different but imagine a world in four years when there are cyber trucks everywhere is the novelty going to completely have worn off and then we'll see it for how ugly it is now ugly doesn't mean it's not cool though I have the asata is ugly but that's cool I think okay Nissan Z series I think the the well it's weird because the so I had the new Nissan and I just sold it and the audience overall wasn't very impressed with it but I thought it was a really fun car to drive it was really fast I thought it it looked really good in person it didn't photograph well so in a weird way I would say that car is kind of underrated in a sense at least the new one but I just sold it because I didn't like it that much but it got more hate than it deserved does that make sense like it didn't deserve as much hate it could deserve a little bit of hate but not as much hate what about a PT Cru that is probably the worst car I have ever driven in my life I've driven a PT Cruiser it's legit I mean the build quality on that thing is awful why have to make it look like that too I mean oh don't yeah time though they did a convertible PT Cruiser bro you should get one of those you should get one of those and trick it up oh my gosh what would you do to trick it up rims drive it off of Grand Canyon or lower it stance it I think maybe you guys should do a spin-off Channel that's a car Channel and you can start with a PT Cruiser you guys do that huge Wing I I i' I've done enough gimmicks I'm kind of over the gimmick I had a jeeper gini the gimmicks the PT Cruiser yeah I'll yeah yeah Lamborghini Gallardo oh my gosh one of the most underrated cars oh my especially a manual especially a manual it is such a phenomenal car and they're so that's a good good option for an undervalued car too em Manel gardo they just like I think that you know there's a there's a certain contingency that just loves the new stuff right like new stuff is always better always better always better always better always better but the new stuff has become so uh mind-numbing it all feels the same I mean you get in a brand new let's say Huracan you get in a brand new 720s a brand new GT3 you know they all have uh you know the double clutch transmission they all have 600 horsepower you know you they they're all perfect the cars are so dialed in now they're so good that in a way they don't have as much Soul like the newer stuff and and you could say that the guyardo has less Soul than a Kos right like I think as cars you know develop and get better and better and better you lose the soul uh more and more each time and the gardo to me is is just like it's kind of one of those in of- thee cars you know it it has that whether it's a man even an e-gear like the yellow one behind me is an e-gear and and the e-gear has its flaws but you can kind of fall in love with the car because of the flaws it's got an na10 it sounds incredible especially the first gen I think the looks especially the first gen they are aging like a fine wine I mean every single time I see a first gen guy it just looks better and better and better and at 100 Grand I mean you're getting a car that has the Audi influence that's well built that has decent reliability you got good performance you still have a little bit of Lamborghini soul in it I think I think it's just like a really nice blend it's a great entrylevel car I love the gyo what about a Toyota Prius the new Prius I love the Prius like it I'm the good looking it is I mean talk about 180 degree turnaround AG you know I mean that that uh that car I want to I want to see one with a wide body kit lowered on air so I was on such a good looking car from every angle this is gonna sound so lame I was on Prius chat.com and they were comparing the value of the new Prius versus a new Tesla Model 3 and the Prius overwhelmingly won when you looked at the price if you're if you're doing uh long-distance driving so for road trips the Prius one for you know Town driving Tesla was better but it's an incredible value right now I really really really like it and it's beautiful yeah I mean for lack like it's beautiful and you know I'm not looking to knock Tesla's but you know Tesla has stuck with the same design language for forever I mean like the four the big four that they have right they all look the same you know the the model S the model 3 is a squished version of the S the model Y is a extended version of the S and then the the model Y is a extended version of model 3 did I say that right almost yeah you know what I'm saying we understand they're all iterations of each other right whereas the Prius is like a clean slate design like looks just amazing underrated yeah yeah very underrated very very very underrated what about a Fisker Karma it's such a beautiful car like like visually it's a great look like I think it looks really nice but it's a terrible car it's just a terrible car so I guess that would underrated overrated it's just awful looks good though probably overrated I guess it'd be over only thing that that people think get high though well they think about Justin Bieber well right such a long time ago people still about it I feel like when when think I do think of Bieber's chrome F what there was some video where Paparazzi were like following him or something and the the call and and he said he was in a Fisker and the 911 operator was like what he's like it's a fiser he like she did yeah it was really funny yeah I mean like I said I think it's beautiful looking I think it had huge potential but I and I don't know the full story of Fisker but uh I'd love to to take the the tech of a Tesla and put it in the body of a Fisker I think that'd be really cool all right we're almost done here Lucid air I think those are I I've never I've never driven a lucid air every time I see one though it kind of has this weird like rolls royy like Mystique vibe to it whenever you see one driving by you're like who's driving that thing like it it just has this this dark cool futuristic look to it when it's going down the road I haven't driven one though I do think that's a car that will depreciate a ton though I think it's going to follow the Bentley m Trend sort of because I think the buyer is only going to want it when it's brand new and because the third party network is so bad for charging cars I could just see that tanking in value but I think they're cool what about Hellcat oh I love Hellcat God Bless America I mean I have to say like Dodge mopark Chrysler whoever the group is like they have done such a fantastic job of kind of like staying true to their Roots When every other manufacturer is caving into EV and hybrid and you I just love the fact they and I realize that they have since changed like the new Challenger is I think an EV but just the Hellcat I mean like 700 horsepower they put the Hellcat engine in the Challenger uh they they even put it in the uh the SUV the Durango those things are so cool that was cool that so so so cool so yeah I'm a big fan of the Hellcat my Gladiator my 6x6 Gladiator has a Hellcat in it so I would say that those are I'm not going to say overrated I I don't think underrated I think there's a very passionate following for him that respect him I love a Hellcat last one G wagon okay so the price point on the new G wagon especially like during Co oh gosh 280,000 obscene obscene amount there's the squares too the G squared those are trading for $400,000 at that price point it's just absolutely out of control but like an old G squared you can get for like 170k or like an older G wagon I like the build quality always love Mercedes I've never actually owned a Mercedes but I can almost guarantee certainly the first Mercedes I'll ever have will be a G wagon I want to get a squared someday like the older generation squared so back in 2020 when we did our original podcast you were pretty open about your income yes how has it changed over the last four years because I think from everyone I've talked to everything has kind of gone down okay since then has that been has that well guess the finance Rich went up so much right that it just it was abnormally high for a while cuz that's the content people were watching for sure for sure and I I totally understand that during covid I didn't actually see a spike or a decline during covid in audience at all my channel is in a very weird position that I'm happy about but I also don't fully understand I've have been averaging the same amount of views almost every single video for like four or five years almost every single video is between 900,000 and 1 1.1 million views consistently every single video for years of course I've had a video that's gone over a couple videos have gone under but on average it's always the same and the ad revenue is the same I want to say on that podcast I probably said I was making 2 million a year M two million a year in 2020 2021 2022 2023 projecting for 202 like literally the exact almost almost to a te you know what it's crazy it's that's the sort of consistency that people would dream to have for sure it could also be demotivating because you don't see progress that every year you just want to do a little more than the last did for sure there's nothing better than growing I mean the old saying is if you're not growing you're dying right and uh yeah I mean the first couple years on YouTube when I was growing really really fast was so much fun it was so addicting because you're improving so many ways and the audience is appreciating that Improvement by engaging more walk watching your videos longer interacting you know views are going up it allows you to to buy more cars do crazier things so from a creativity standpoint it opens all these different Avenues and then you know you hit this plateau and and you're right I'd rather Plateau than fall off but it is it is a little bit like you know you still you're still chasing that growth right and so you're trying these new things like you know you're you're doing this crazy re build here or you're you know you're going to this crazy location there and you still get the like it's still the exact same but at the same at the same nice same time like the consistency the the I don't know it's yeah I mean and and for ad spots it's amazing you know working for sponsorships I can guarantee a certain level of views almost every single video um but growth growth is fun you always want to grow we were talking earlier about your overhead and how you do everything yourself yes that's something that I really admire and I think Jack and I were talking about this a long time ago just like when it when it comes to overhead and like stress running a business that you just do it in such a way where it doesn't seem overwhelming that you have like complete control over everything you do yeah do you think yeah that's that's always been the goal I I think back on that podcast I said it the the goal was never this the goal is to get one Lamborghini like that was what I was shooting for and I'm just so fortunate to have everything that I have that the last thing I ever want to get caught doing in life is sacrificing the other things that I love in my life to make more money and and you know money money is good money is bad in in so many different ways it it allows freedom but I think it can also sour the the heart in the brain you know you can get so caught up in the pursuit of money and one thing that I really love about my YouTube channel is that the roots are so innocent I started my YouTube channel there was no goal of making money because I didn't even know you could I kind of sort of fell into it I S you know I was passionate about cars and then once I realized you can make money obviously I went very strategic I took a business approach to it you know I've made decisions to maximize that for sure but I never want the money to be the purpose so I don't want to sacrifice the creativity in the videos to make more money and I definitely could because if if I hired a team I could produce more volume I could make more videos but I think the quality of the videos would go down and it wouldn't have the personal connection that I love about YouTube Because when YouTube first started it was this you know just a couple guys you know talking to a camera in a very not not I don't want to say amateur way this is an amateur but like you know YouTube has become so corporate now right you have these teams you have you know these conglomerates that are building these YouTube Empires where they have have you know 50 camera guys and a dozen editors and you know they're spending you know half a million dollars on a video and then you know there's me holding a camera doing the filming the editing the directing the producing uh the acting the the scripting the the you know financing the project independently as well all just me and that's what YouTube always used to be and I I miss those days honestly I feel like YouTube has become so corporate and in my own way I'm trying to like hold on to that that you know why it's just because there's so much competition there are so many more people making videos today and they're making videos at such a high level right I know in the finance space when I was doing content there was nothing that existed on the terms of like passive income real estate investing stock market investing so few videos that if if you made one at the time you'd rank like top three on search your video get recommended now you're up against people who will spend 6 months making one video aist basis they video is that's going do the and so because of that the competition is just is is it's exhausting oh it is yeah absolutely yeah I mean it it's I mean when when I first started my Automotive YouTube career you know I would reach out to a lot of these car owners right and I'd be like hey would it be possible if I can just like come film a video of your car collection and you know this was back in the infancy of social media and a lot of these guys were like yeah of course you know like they didn't get hit up very often right and and I would go there and i' i' do my you know little thing where I'm talking to the camera and they probably thought it was like cute or whatever right like oh you know he's he's a little kid he's passionate like I love it those same guys now have YouTube channels you know like it's crazy corporations have YouTube channels I mean it's it's unbelievable the car world I mean when I first started you know you had you had Robert himler you had schme 150 you had Brian zuk uh you know Doug deur was pretty early I was pretty early I know I'm missing a couple guys and now I couldn't even name vehicle virgin vehicle vergin yeah I couldn't even name like I couldn't even name all the automotive Youtubers with even even at a million Subs there's so many and then you like every day I find a new channel that has half a million Subs it's in the automotive space and then you add Tik Tok you add Instagram Facebook Snapchat I mean it's just gotten crazy how much competition there is in that how do you balance it cuz I've noticed you post a little less lately yeah yeah well one thing one thing that has gotten harder is that I feel like I have done everything in the car world that I can that I want to do there are certain things that I could do that I don't want to do if that makes sense um but you know I i' I've been doing this for 12 years I've filmed over a thousand videos you know I've I've modified cars I've owned so many cars you know I've done every widebody kit I've done engine mods I've done top speed videos I put cars onp tracks it's harder and harder to come up with interesting things to film as much as I love hate how consistent my YouTube channel is I really want to maintain the consistency and so you never want to post a video that does bad it's hard to try new things that that might not perform especially as YouTube becomes me you know it's the end of the day it is still somewhat of a business and you know you have you have sponsors that you know want to promote their products on your videos and you know I love the sponsors that I work with and I want the videos to perform well as well so the last thing I want to do is have a video Bomb by trying something new or doing something different and yeah it just gets it gets harder and harder to come up with the new ideas and I still love the creativity of YouTube and so I also want to do new things and so sometimes like I could film this video and it probably would do well but I'm not as excited about it sometimes I'm like I'm just not going to film it you know I think there was one time you went a month was it a month without posting well there was one time in 20 19 2020 I got sick and it was 17 days that was early January um but I think the longest I think that's still the longest is 17 days sometimes less is more too though it feels more like an occasion or an event when a video pops up versus some of the some of the corporate channels post videos every single day now can we talk about what you mentioned earlier about your voice yes absolutely talking about that this was shocking to me that you mentioned that you could only film so much because your voice goes out because you're high energy on camera old ages catching up with me but you say said like you don't want to do like that sort of high energy anymore so a lot of people will see me in this podcast and then they'll see me on my YouTube channel and they'll be like it's not the same person like what's going on like I don't understand this isn't the same James we know and love like some people some people call me a fraud or a fake on my YouTube channel that I'm not who I really am in real life etc etc and you know my stradman person Persona is an inflated version of myself and a lot of times people will see me in a collab setting right where I'm filming with with you or I'm filming with Shi 150 or the Hamilton Collection and you know everybody has their their different style and I'm going to match that style right I'm not g to I'm not going to try to overtake I'm not going to try to you know uh steal the spotlight from somebody else I'm going to match the energy of the Channel that I am on now when I first kind of started YouTube I took a very analytical approach and the analytic that I paid the most attention to was watch time watchtime percentage you post a 12-minute video if people are watching it for 2 minutes that means they weren't engaged very much they're watching it for 10 minutes they probably really enjoyed the video and I realized like the talker the faster you talk the longer the watch time is if you're cutting from scene to scene to scene to scene and a lot of people see that high energy personality and they're like that's not that's not him though he's faking it but what they don't ever see is like when I'm hanging out with my friends at Red Robin and we're having a bacon cheeseburger with bottomless fries it's the boys and we're just having the time of our lives for eight minutes right then you'll see me stradman with my friends and I've figured out a way to bottle that up and put that on camera so that's like the best way I can describe the Persona now the issue that I've run into is that I'm getting old I'm getting so old I've been on YouTube for you know you know 12 years or whatnot and my I'm not saying my health is deteriorating but that high energy like you're talking loud like you're trying to command attention you're talking to a camera also for people who haven't seen your channel could you give us an example just for like 15 seconds yes sir yes sir of like talk to the camera as though you were on your of course all right and just like that we're back baby ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the channel and welcome back to Vlog we're here with graham Stefan the one and only who has a 4D GT that he has to drive way more than he does he drives it once a month is we got to make that twice a month really that's really good not even stumbling over your words it's weird I mean I've just done it I've done it for so long was one of the things when we filmed that Tesla Bugatti video right right and remember you're like oh hold on I got to film something and you just flip the camera around and do a one take Wonder for like 45 seconds out of the window of the car and then just put it back and you're like all right I'm done I was blown away like I would see that would take probably 20 takes to do to do that right right right well and that's what a lot of people don't see though is that lots of times so my channel is all about Rhythm and flow and one of the hardest things that I deal with is an intro because I have to get in that Rhythm so you guys flew in that day or whatever you drove up I had probably done 15 intros before you got there so I had already kind of like started to get in that Rhythm get in that flow and I've been doing it a long time I've gotten better I've really mastered it they always say is it 10,000 hours is that the thing 10,000 I've spent 10,000 hours kind of you know crafting this stradman Persona if you will and it's and it's very natural the only thing I've run into is that sometimes like you know I'm talking really loud on camera my voice I can like strain my vocal cords and that's been hurting me lately and so i' I've been trying to kind of like you know tone down the Persona a little bit mainly just for that reason you know it's crazy for me I think I've I might have like permanently damaged my vocal cords from filming so much cuz when you look at my old videos my voice is lower ohes my voice has changed too yeah so my voice used to be a lot lower what's up YouTube It's Graham here I'm going to make a video today of the easiest tips that you can do to be successful and real estate because I wasn't like screaming or shouting I I think when I was filming no seriously because sometimes I'd be filming like three videos a day and when I'm filming a main Channel video I spent about an hour and a half filming that if I'm doing two reaction videos obviously like everything is like this oh my gosh but because you're talking to a camera it's a oneway conversation so but when you're doing that for hours for seven years I think I've strained my voice to a point where it doesn't go back to the same range it was in like 2016 you very well could have if you listen to your old videos yeah I mean your voice is a lot deeper yeah but I that's it it was just because I was would yell right and unknowing I haven't been trying to change my voice but you go watch my old videos I talk different it's a it's a different wavelength or deciel level whatever it is like it's different it's weird I've also heard this Theory though that as you get older your voice naturally gets higher I thought it would get lower as you get older I've heard that it gets higher is every could everybody I mean we can look this up I heard about actually it was like a month ago I don't know if it was like from a YouTube video or something like that but who knows we can look it up put this stuff right here if anything is probably from vocal strain yeah yeah I think so also is it Bugatti or Bugatti because Graham says Bugatti I say bugatti bug Bugatti I don't Bugatti say however you want I think it's a Bugatti Bugatti a Bugatti Veyron Bugatti Veron buaton Graham Graham says buatti I mean I might be saying it wrong too it's and is it Porsche or is it Porsche Porsche this one's tough this one's tough okay so I I say Porsche as well now I realize if you're a German it's porsa I agree but to an American it's Porsche H I know I know the Porsche people are goingon to be mad that I say that what's your thought on that though why do you say Porsche uh just it sounds more natural like it sounds say it sounds douchy to say like oh that's a Porsche right exactly but there's a connotation that comes along sounds like vocal fry is what it is it's like valley girl kind of porsa maybe I don't know it's it's it here in the United States it makes it sound like you're trying to make it seem fancier than it actually is POR Amen brother am Porsche just rolls off the tongue here even if it's not pronounced correctly right right agreed agree I mean there's all sorts of words and I can't necessarily think of any off the top of my head that like you know a German speaker would say different than an English speaker like when you say Porsche that's saying it with an English accent when you say Porsche that's saying it with I don't know I don't know what I'm trying to say I say Porsche though my audience always gets triggered and every once in a while say Porsche if I'm with a Porsche guy I'll say Porsche though but if I'm with a Porsche guy I say Porsche and you know what kind of guys I'm talking about right that's fair exactly the thing I really want to talk about is this house yes this was something we initially started talking about I've been waiting for this P we made we made this bet and you said it would take you 18 months from the time of construction until you spent the first night at the house MH and I said it would take more than 18 months how long did it actually take you know it's it's very funny cuz did we make a bet on that we did was it $1,000 are we are we adjusting for inflation we should because it's been a long time yeah now with inflation that would have been like three grand so here's what's so funny about that it is within days of 18 months it I'm dead serious and I know that my construction loan had an 18month term I made it by like a week did you actually Graham thought he was going to be raking it into there I am almost certain it's like 17 months and like 20 days but before any money is is you know s my way I really need I really really need to look at the dates because I I think I think the ter I know the term of the construction loan was 18 months so it had to have been less I was actually really really nervous that I wasn't going to make the deadline and if I wouldn't have made the deadline supposedly they could have foreclosed on the house I don't know if it ever would have gone to that I don't think they would have but I guess they could have I could have been in a sticky situation where if like the construction loan company was I don't know foreclosure process takes such a long I know that's why because I'd never owned a house or built a house before I didn't know how serious it was I just knew I didn't want to deal with it and we beat it CU I think October 1st was the date and I think I moved in like September 20th give or take I think I I think I did it I'm Prett sure let's take a look how much did that cost you the whole house you yeah how much are you on the house it's crazy so I built my house I'm nearly certain at about the worst Moment In Time in probably the last man 10 20 30 years proba years probably 50 years yeah I mean like and when I say the worst time like the start date was about the worst time and the Finish date was about the worst time like if I would have finished it six months later if I would have started it six months later and finished six months later I probably would have been better uh on both ends interest rates ate me alive um I made a mistake in which I got a construction loan and then turned that into a normal mortgage I should have gotten one loan that was both if that makes sense I'm not like the smartest guy when it comes to these things but the interest rate when I started construction was like 2.99% and I ended up locking in at like 5 and a half which is better than it could have been I guess it could have been 7 8% so that that hit me pretty hard but the cost of lumber went absolutely crazy the cost of Steel went crazy uh concrete went crazy I was approximately a million dollars over budget on this house so the original budget was around 2 million and by the time we finished it was 3 million but the caveat is that it was a million dollar over but the original budget included the house finished and at 3 million the house still wasn't finished but I was able to move in so when it's all said and done I'll probably be closer to a million and a half over budget cuz you know the house as it stands now uh you know the whole the basement the underground garage is completely unfinished uh a lot of the main house like you saw in the kitchen there's a couple things missing here and there there's some holes in the drywall that need to be patched uh you know there's no accent walls or ceilings of any kind so there's still a lot to do in the house um but I'm I'm like I don't want to come across as a complainer because I am so incredibly grateful that I'm able to afford this house I'm also very very grateful that I was able to cover that million dollars by filming YouTube content I was able to leverage the construction of the house into YouTube videos all the rough things that happened that was that was truly bad time timing like Co with with prices like I I acknowledged that on my videos and and people thought that was really interesting and that allowed me to create more content on the house that helped me pay and offset that million dollars over now this is interesting because you talked about it and I've had the same experience of people seeing you they see the cars they could look you up online and they charge you more because they just say absolutely y he could afford it so I'm going to inflate my prices 20% how do you how do you deal with that or do you do combat that do you shop around more right what's been your experience well thankfully my two general contractors Brothers uh High Country hom shout out to them they did an awesome job managing the project for me so they uh really good dudes uh their cousin is a buddy of mine uh they just they're just like genuine uh genuine dudes with with good work ethic uh and a lot of integrity and I really trusted them and and they helped me navigate that a lot because you know they're older guys that I think did the project more out of passion more so than money obviously they still got paid but uh they they did a great job you know with their subcontractors whatnot keeping that in line what was really interesting though is you know after I moved into the house the house still needed a lot of work Landscaping the fence uh you know the garage floors uh you know there's all sorts of things that have been done since they kind of walked away from the project and that was when I really realized the value of what they provided because now you know when I'm working with all these other contractors to get other stuff done I mean some of the quotes that I'm getting are absolutely out of control I mean just like it's just laughable some of the things that these people send me one of the things that I've done is I've tried to do as much work myself that I can you know like Landscaping like paying a landscaper to do a bunch of stuff no I'll just mow the lawn I'll do the Wheats myself I'm not going to pay somebody you know a, $22,000 every two weeks to weed my yard right that's ridiculous I'll do it myself so that's one of the ways I have combed it and and the other way is is just getting multiple quotes like that's the only way to do it the hard part that I've run into is like when I take a car to a car dealership and something's broken I know what it should cost because I'm an expert in that field I've I've Loved cars for 20 30 years right like I know the industry but when it comes to houses I don't know anything like I've never owned a house before this place so when it comes to building cost or you know the cost of installing a sprinkler system or landscaping or epoxy on garage floors like you just don't have that knowledge right and so a lot of it has just been getting multiple quotes and that's been really hard because I hate getting ripped off yeah we had Jason oppenheim on the podcast and he completely changed my perspective on getting ripped off he called it almost like an extra tax that he has to pay for the convenience of getting it done and he doesn't look at it as getting ripped off anymore because I would be the same way I would get a quote for someone to replace a valve in the toilet that was leaking right and on my duplex it was in a really you know seedy part of town uh it was not the very upand cominging not the best area and they'd come and they give me a price on that then when I move the new price in a nicer area all of a sudden seemed to Triple right and it's a 20-minute Drive between the places the work didn't triple the cost is the exact same it's the same toilet so why did it triple well the area that's it they priced the area Y and so Jason made the argument that well yeah you can spend your time negotiating going back and forth is it a good use of your time is that going to stress you out if so just pay the cost and that is your tax for sure 100% I mean opportunity cost we all learned about that at some point in economics right like it is a real thing and of course you have to factor that in at some point and then there are other times where you're just like I'm not going to do it right now I'm going to go out there and I'm going to do this myself and not get ripped off and then you quickly realize like wow I could have filmed a YouTube video and made way more money doing this and just paid and you're right the hardest part about you know especially the Contracting world is getting something done getting contractors to come to your house on the day that they say they're going to come to your house and doing the job right the first time it's like if you can find the contractor that can do that pay him right you know like he deserves that because he's so much better than the rest of the industry Y and so there's a handful of things around the house that you guys saw earlier that I didn't catch because I was out of town and by the time I got home it was done and you know I'm a little bit of a yes man as well I like to please people and some level I hate confrontation especially when you have a YouTube channel where people know you the last thing I want to do is like have a confrontation with a contractor who then tells his buddy who's a fan of the channel and then that ruins my reputation so you also run into this issue where you want everybody to like you all the time which is really tough yeah you have to be on on site daily and that's something that I I learned very early on when I was remodeling the duplex that I would show up every single day and sometimes they were supposed to get there at like 8:00 or 9:00 a.m. and I show up at 10: no one is there oh what happen oh yeah they're fixing a little thing over here don't worry they'll be there what time are they going to be there H they're going be there at noon all right and then if if I say okay that's fine I'm leaving they'll not show up but if I say okay I'm going to wait you have to babysit all of a sudden and they're back right now y well the hard part that I run into now that I'm living in the house is if I have a contractor coming on a Tuesday I'm going to film on Monday and Wednesday let's say if that contractor doesn't show up on Tuesday and then they show up on Wednesday it it ruins my ability to do my job on Wednesday because you know if a contractor's here and let's say you know whatever they're making a ton of noise they're they're doing something that allows me to not be able to film what I need to the fact that they didn't show up it it hurts in more ways than one and so that's why with the house now it's like I almost don't even want to finish it because it's such a headache to get contractors to come finish it it just affects my work workflow so awful yeah do you regret making the house so public no one thing with my YouTube channel especially when I first started early on I felt like one of my competitive advantages if you will how I was going to separate myself from everybody was by telling the true story like telling everybody everything and I think on that Lamborghini age at 26 video that's what it was like people had never seen anybody so real you know because you hear a lot of people that make similar videos and they're like oh you know I own 17 businesses and I invested in this and that and this and that but they're not telling you actually real things that actually happened right and so ever since that success on that video I've wanted to be very open and honest with people and just the nature of how I film and my style as such like I film everything I film my day-to-day life what I do like it's a very interactive style of content where people really know everything about me and filming at my house is integral in that and there's really not a way to to film that style without just sharing everything yeah on that subject um you're also very public lately with your relationship yes yes what was that conversation like of of throwing someone else into the mix so publicly for sure well Sophia and I dated for quite a while before anything was made public so I think that's like that's always integral right you know it's such an impossible thing to navigate though because you're really throwing somebody into the this world that they they didn't grow into cuz I grew into it right like I started off with one subscriber and then I grew to a 100 and then a thousand and the first person recognized me and then a 100,000 and you know three people see you at a car show and then you know all of a sudden you hit a million 2 million three million and you know everywhere you go people recognize you and then you know Sophia is she's just thrown into that mix immediately she's in one video where I introduced her and a million people see it the first video but you know she has handled it so incredibly well I mean she helped me pull a motor out of a V12 Ferrari like think about that like that is an amazing girl like that's amazing I mean she helps in so many ways she's down for whatever she loves uh and supports me in in the YouTube thing she she comes on the trips with me you know there's there's times uh off camera that I'm you know down and out or whatever I'm not feeling good I you know a video did bad or a you know I don't know whatever it is a comment gets to me and she has a building me up and supporting me and and you know and hopefully on the flip side you know she's had to deal with some you know comments are nasty especially when you're just thrown into it so aggressively and so quickly but she's handled it so well what do you think is a valid criticism of yourself because in the public eye you're like the happiest the nicest guy like you know what I mean like the most personable and likable person but what would you say is like a valid criticism of yourself it's so funny because there are so many things to be critical of me right now now but as soon as you like you put on the spot you know like you almost need like a little bit to think about it U but a valid criticism I think I could be more Greatful for what I have off camera H you know I think it's very very very easy to become so normalize to what you have and to always want like better and better and better and to not be as grateful as you should and and there are moments and it's it's one of those things where there's a lot of moments that I'm very grateful but there are some moments that I'm not where I I lose maybe touch with reality like I get so caught in my own world right and my own problems and then sometimes it's you need to take that outward perspective on what you have but I think I mean every human is guilty on some level of living in their own world right like the world revolves around me like I literally live in this body like of course it revolves around me just like it does for you Jack and you know but I think I think that definitely being more grateful I think you know years and years and years ago I was more grateful in a way and I think just the human nature of it all you get more accustom to what you have you know I mean like just like that first ride in the kig egg versus driving it today it's just not the same you know I I'm driving the coning EG around and you know maybe somebody cuts you off and you get mad right but the first time I rod in the car like I wouldn't have the ability to be mad I'd just be so happy to be the thing is if that didn't exist we would never progress as people right only compare AC cross and up right gratitude is something that's completely different like that's detached from that equation you can always want more meanwhile still being grateful of the things that you have totally but but it it takes active thought to be grateful I feel like I I feel like unless you think of it it's hard to feel grateful to that yeah um until you take a step back and like really frame your mind I think it just it comes more natural to be where does everyone else at this level where are they at how do I stack to them and what's ahead that I could work towards but at some point you have to be content with who you are and where you are at in life right otherwise you're always searching and always chasing something since we last talked with you like three and a half or so years ago what would you say is the biggest perspective change that you've had life has gotten harder with the more success and the more money I've gotten and I've become more unhappy with the more money and the more success that I've got isn't that crazy yeah but it's like if you tell if you know you say that online every single comment be like oh sign me up for that but it's like and you hear a lot of people that make a lot of money say that though there technically I think there's like a curve to wealth and happiness where it's like you know if you're impoverished you're not going to be happy if you start making a little bit more money you're going to want more and then you hit a certain amount I don't know what it is I think it's like 100 Grand or 120 Grand and then slowly like you know it doesn't go exponential and then it flattens out and it starts actually dipping I don't know what that number is but there there are science that there is yeah no there is and I I mean I think you know for at least my personal situation part of it is the pressure right the one comment on YouTube that will get me more than anything is like Bros falling off like I I hate when people tell me I'm falling off like to me that I don't know what it is it's just like a dagger in the soul to be falling off ego yeah it is it's very ego yeah and so I think that's a big part of it for me is just this pressure to just keep going keep producing content that's new that's fresh make more money buy more expensive cars this YouTuber is getting more views than you this one's getting more views than you and and you have this way of getting caught up in it and sometimes it just like it just takes so much out of you you you lose your passion and your happiness in that sense I think everybody feels the exact same way I think most I think most YouTubers have felt it and especially as it becomes more corporate and more competitive you know and and lots of times I'm being compared to these YouTube channels that are corporations you know and it's just like how can I compete with those guys you know like it's it's just impossible and you know you also like I said you don't want to fall off though either no nobody wants to like you know have their Channel die right nobody wants to become relevant and then become Mr Irrelevant right like that's that's a tough thing too so it's like you know for me I've always known like I need to walk away from YouTube at some point right and I would ideally like to walk away when I'm still like at the top of my game right you know I don't I don't want to walk away when my channel is averaging 10,000 views a video like I don't I don't want to be on the bottom end of the bell curve um I'd rather walk away when I still have something left in the tank see know what crazy so I wanted to stop making YouTube videos at first it was January of 2023 MH and then in January I thought let me get to April right because that was my birthday yeah yeah yeah and so I figured let me just make it through April and then April I just thought well it' be cool to make it like an even seven years on YouTube so I'm going to go to December I got to December now at at some point across that decided to go from three videos a week to one video a week right and then I thought well you know January I may as well continue uh through April again and the cycle continues of one video week but I thought the same thing that I didn't want the views to keep dropping and then I stop so I was like I Want My Views to like do well and then I could stop I think the only one who did it really well is Tom Scott he made a video years in advance I think it was like two years in advance saying at this date this is going to be my last video it's coming and that's it and he's stuck with it amazing I've been terrible about sticking with this but I've said this for years and here I am continuing one video a week right I think what's hard about it is I mean I see my YouTube channel as like my baby right like I mean I've I've I've built this thing out of nothing like I had absolutely nothing when I started it and I've I've you know poured my soul into this Blood Sweat tears and to just walk away when you feel like there's anything left on the table seems sad it seems hard and you created such a connection with your audience and there's so many people who you know hopefully still love you and want to see you continue filming but at what point is enough enough right yeah and I know for sure when I have kids I'm not that'll be it for sure I know I won't have kids on my channel ever what's your biggest fear uh being in the ocean in the middle of the dark in the water in the Open Water what's your biggest realistic realistic fear um dying alone being lonely and you know later in life um I think that's the biggest fear it's just like especially you know i' I've I'm older than most people I'm not married yet obviously Sophia is incredible um but yeah I mean you know focusing your entire life on materialism and you know buying buying buying building building building career career career career and then at some point you find yourself later in life where you're in a hospital and I don't know you donate all your money to the state right like that something like that um I think would be my biggest fear would be what about that is fearful to you I just I just know that family and friends is the most important thing in this world relationships is the number one most important thing in this world and it's so easy to get caught up in the other things in this world obviously I love cars um I think as I've gotten older I I understand what they are more so I don't love them as much as I used to like when I was really young I was like obsessed obsessed and now I love him probably because I've experienced him so much um but yeah I mean I think I think just at some point in life regretting focusing so much on more more more more more more but I also think it's important to have a good balance like it's important to have dreams it's important to be productive it's important to work it's important to have goals just not sacrificing you know everything to where you're lonely in a hospital you know my my dad passed away uh since we've had the podcast and you know my dad I look at his life and he was a man who you know he he wasn't a rich man in the in the terms of the world right like his net worth was not crazy like I make more in a year than he made in his life but you know my dad was married uh to my mom for almost 40 years he had four boys who all loved him who all spoke at his funeral um how how did that change your life after he passed away what was cuz for me I I it doesn't even seem like it's a possibility that a parent could pass like it doesn't even seem like that could ever happen I think it's weird cuz it's like in a sense it's leveled me up as a human I have so much more empathy for someone who's lost someone it is the hardest thing in the world I mean it's like incomparable to any other challenge you will ever face in your entire life is losing a parent or you know a spouse or a child right like it's because everything else in life has a solution right everything else can be fixed you file bankruptcy whatever like you fail a test whatever you I mean you get in a car accident you fix the car right but when you lose someone you love it's it's over like that's it like there's you know I mean there's always going to be some level of regret obviously like oh why didn't I spend more time with my dad why didn't I do this more with him and so but from that standpoint now like since then you know unfortunately I've had some close people lose friends or family of theirs and and I feel like I've been there for them on a different level than I would have been before or that I was before with other people who had lost loved ones I had a friend when I was in elementary school who lost their dad when he was 10 years old and until I lost my dad I it never dawned on me how hard that must have been um and and but it also it it gives me like a greater appreciation for my dad you know there's there's nothing like losing someone that kind of opens your eyes to like what you had and unfortunately like everything in life is kind of that way like you don't you don't know what you have until it's gone but sometimes like you see things from a different perspective you know I see some of the things that my dad did for me and it's just like what an amazing person you know and uh some of that regret exists in that sense though because you're like I wish I could go back and tell him how grateful I am for everything that he did for me um so yeah I mean it's it's it's been you know I've spent more time than my mom too because of it which has been really really good we've done some cool trips went to Alaska with her um you know and and that's that's been one of the you know you look at life and everything happens for a reason and you know maybe I've been a better son to my mom because my dad passed maybe I'm a better boyfriend to my girlfriend because I have more empathy like you know I'd like to think of myself as being a better human but it's definitely affect my like it's affected my YouTube channel a lot as far as just like the passion you know because it maybe helped you re-evaluate your values a little bit no no I think it's just kind of like almost like what's the point so the first year my dad passed was really really really hard it's just like I mean it it just seems like everything is so pointless right like like what's what's the purpose like why even bother like who cares you're all we're all going to die like one thing that I really struggled with is I would see like I would be resentful towards other people when they were their dad it's all right that's fine what's happened it's just like yeah I mean I would I would get mad yeah I mean I I'm going to tell you from my perspective it makes me think of things differently because you don't have that sort of appreciation without having a loss like that or something in your life because besides grandparents I've I've really lost nobody in my life except for grandparents thankfully have all pretty much been from old age right right right yeah know yeah I mean I it's weird like your mind you just have so many games you play and you know you think yeah it's like I think about you know my dad never had to experience old age though yeah you know he never was an old man which is kind of cool you know he never my dad lost his parents but he never lost a sibling he never lost a a son he you know he didn't he didn't ever have to lose lose his driver's license he never had to take a ton of medication he never had to walk or be in a wheelchair like he never had to deal with that so I you know you always try to like yeah take the the good and a bad situation like well you know he and he he died I guess relatively peacefully you know I mean you know uh I got to see him in the hospital so it definitely like it definitely gives you a new perspective um and that kind of goes back to what you were saying like my biggest regret like I don't want to die alone yeah when are strad kids coming after a wedding definitely after a wedding that's for sure when's a wedding coming I don't know maybe soon though yeah not that soon right but soon on my channel I always say soon and that's sometimes between pretty soon and somewhat soon soon could be anything from like a week to like five years I feel like exact yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly uh I mean I definitely want to be a dad for sure I want to get married um you know I think that I don't know the relationship that you have with a child has to be unlike any relation Rel ship right never done it but I think about the relationship I've had with my parents and it just seems kind of cool to have like I don't know take what you've learned in the world and be able to like pass it down to somebody and you know try to help them navigate life and um you know hopefully become a better person than than you right like that's kind of the goal it's not always the case but you know I love the idea of yeah of sharing that with you know a wife and having I want to have a bunch of kids too I think it be so cool especially like you know I've I've focused so much of my life on YouTube and I've I've had you know such great financial success that I've put myself in a position where I could have you know five six kids be basically a stay-at-home dad and and just be like that Dad that that is there all the time and is the little league coach and and you know I just I just think that'd be really cool and I'm in such a fortunate position where that might be possible I've always wanted to have kids when I feel like I've accomplished everything else that I've wanted to do so there's like that business aspect where I wanted to be able to focus 100% of my attention on that uh for me now it's being able to see the world I would I I wouldn't want to like go and travel and spend any time away from like having a newborn or anything like that travel and then after that I feel like that would be a good time for sure for sure and I I mean I think that you know a lot of the the success that I've had has been kind of by by timing things appropriately you know when I was living in my Audi part of the reason I did it is that nobody else was In Harm's Way like I didn't have a wife I didn't have a kid living in the car with me like whatever happened was was up to me to deal with right but I would never put a wife or a kid in that situation and so because I wasn't married and I had made that life choice at that point in my life it allowed me to to go all in on YouTube and have the success in in this YouTube Endeavor that I've had because of that yeah I will say everyone we have talked to about kids uh and we ask people on the podcast like what's it like and what's been your experience the one thing everybody has said has said that they regret not having kids sooner right yeah yeah I don't think one person has said I'm glad I waited or you know I should have had kids a little later everybody has said They wish they had done it sooner or that they wish they had more kids right right so whatever that's wor it's worth a lot yeah and it's also about of course you know you've obviously found the right girl but you wouldn't have you know I mean like marrying Macy this is the right time for you because she's the right girl oh yeah I couldn't have done this 10 years ago right right right yeah so I mean every and everyone's everyone's life is different everyone's path is a little bit different and but yeah I mean I I definitely it's yeah I want to have kids for sure yeah and not the clock is ticking but you know at some point you're right I don't want to be the I don't want to be the 70-year-old Robo just had a kid it's true how old is Robert 80 something you're kidding me but that but he's probably not going to see his kid graduate from high school which is kind of sad too you know he's Robert put modern medicine could probably keep him going True Modern medicine5 I'm kind of banking on living into like into my hundreds Graham's gonna live he says till like he's like 120 which honestly I wouldn't I I could actually believe it yeah I can believe it I guess I guess for me like it just depends on if you have your brain still with you if you still have your wits about you that sounds great but if I was to lose my brain and you know modern science could keep me alive n I'm good call call call it a day at 75 what if you were 50% robot though would that count or no well I guess I guess what 50% yeah like just like anatom like me leg stuff like that anatomically but maybe half your mind is like program but it's AI so it's like if you forget something the AI knows your experiences and can replace it with what it thinks you're going to say based on your experiences so it's not 100% but it's like 98 I don't you you might say no right now but once you have some kids you know what I mean it's true no you're right perspectives change entirely I mean I've I've watched a lot of movies lately that involve Ai and you know they're taking over the brain and you're doing crazy things you don't have control of like that sounds scary I rewatched The Matrix recently and it's surprisingly accurate to what I believe could happen in the future when you look at could be something that it's like 500 years from now absolutely that it turned out to be 100% accurate and then at that SC true last question for you would you want to live in The Matrix I think I would I think I'd rather be ignorant and live in a world that ignorance is bliss I think so I would rather I would rather live in the M maybe we are already right I think I think there's so many things that have happened that just can't be a coincidence that I think there there could be some truth to that I don't know could be this is new Graham I guess we'll never know I don't know if I did not expect this podcast to make this talking about this yeah interesting so far everything like I've always written down like goals or things that I want to achieve and so far I've hit like every single one like the chance of doing YouTube videos for me was like on the top of that I never thought a million years i' be able to do that and here we are do you remember our conversation at Anthony's house talking about YouTube way back in the day you had like 3,000 Subs I had like 30,000 maybe we were talking YouTube for like all week and straight you don't remember that I don't remember that wow Grandma does you don't remember that in Anthony's house with Gordon way way way back we were talking analytics unreal he's losing his mind get the AI I forget a lot his brain is just like CH got a lot going on in there lot happen since then if my my memory is terrible if it doesn't pertain to what I need to know right now in the moment I don't remember it or I forget it it has to apply to my daily life and for whatever reason like that just didn't fit it's it's weird I you remember we were at like raisin canes and you were giving me advice about dating you don't remember that that sounds like me you don't remember that that's that's a true story what did I say I hope it's is it appro it was great advice yeah was amazing kanes is really yeah we were raising kanes in Las F say I don't remember I remember going to RAC I just I think it was it was something along like like just be confident be yourself be bold like great advice yeah oh gosh yeah I can't was great advice it was great advice I love giving dating advice that's the one thing if I could make a a YouTube pivot it would be to dating you love that that why not you could I don't know I feel like some sometimes the harsh truths might be a little too you know spicy it matter I mean I would just say yeah be open and honest and truthful we'll see we'll see more to come want to come but anyway my point being there's so many like small things that I've that I've written down or big things actually in the way I've wanted to take my life that they've always happened right um that I believe we have control over what happens in our lives like complete control so you do not believe in determinism you believe in Free Will yeah I believe there's something to be said about determinism that I'm sure our environment affects the way we think in certain ways like if if you had plotted out everything I had said up until this point you could probably predict that because of everything that's happened in the past in the way and then we could plot your life out too that you'd have a certain reaction and based on your reaction I'd react this way and then you would say it based on our so I I believe everything kind of pieces together but I do think you have complete control very interesting Free Will free oh absolutely free will yeah yeah yeah yeah free will at least for me but I don't know about you guys I don't know what do you think of whistle and Diesel I've never met Cody but as far as a Pioneer yeah in the automotive industry I mean think about it you have you have let's say a thousand Automotive YouTube channels right you have 999 of them doing the exact same thing roughly right and then you have wi and dies so kind of sort of standing alone and as far as like the creativity and the the Courage the stuff that he does is it's just like the man has no fear yeah and any man who has no fear has my respect when you were mentioning earlier about people pushing the boundaries how do you that he was the one that first came to mind his videos are just so over the top I'm like how do you even think about like the Ferrari through the cornfield right it's ter I mean obvious very video amazing but I think he said that he didn't he didn't mean for the car to burn down that just happened which makes sense like the brakes would get so incredibly hot from that that it makes sense but him taking cars like this that people would like cherish and he's like I'm gonna push this to the limits and right there there was another one wasn't he uh oh in his he was bashing it with a shopping cart and I was like I I was hurting inside and some of the he was getting 10% of the comments saying how dare you disrespect that car how dare you treat that but he didn't care right and it was like this is just a car and that's all it is yeah I mean it's one of those things that I could never do that to a car no absolutely not but I can't look away when he's doing it you know what I'm saying like you're you're watching and you're like I could never do that but I cannot stop watching I was about to say if you did it I think people would be furious people say you lost your mind it would be it's I mean they probably would but the videos would probably I'd probably break over that 1.1 million right in a sense you know I mean if I just took this if I took the coning egg and just went rallying it probably would do pretty well but I don't know if financially that would be very lucrative in that car you know what would do 10 million views in this going over speed speed bumps at different speeds true that's true start at 5 miles 10 15 20 do 5 Mile increments and then see if you could do 80 miles an hour over a speed bump these are 10 million views but I don't I don't care about the views I don't how fast you could go in reverse did that did you see do you know who remok is no you don't know who remok is okay so that's a Croatian company and they have a car called The remok Nea and it's one of the I thought it was remac oh maybe it is REM remok sorry remac R IAC yeah right they did a video where they set the like top speed world record in Reverse they went like 170 mph in Reverse serious it's on YouTube go watch the video it's sick I mean talk about guts what do they have something that's holding the steering wheel so it doesn't like no there is a dude driving the car reversing the car you have to watch it no no he's I think he's I don't know how I don't know how he's doing it I it's beyond my understanding that's horrible I don't know you got to watch it I think it's 170 m hour in a remok NOA backwards I could give you some of the ideas I came up with 10 video ideas for Anthony and his Ferrari yeah and they're wild ideas like that like driving W diesel though the ideas like we can all sit here I feel like come up with a lot of the ideas he executes him too though like I mean you know like half of it the idea and the other half is the execution and he does both flawless LLY you know like I could I could imagine like putting the kic egg on winter tracks and driving it to the top of a mountain right he actually goes and does it it's insane what he does and and and the then you add you know the different angles the the videography obviously the scripting everything he does the personality the character he plays whatnot it's I mean he's the Pioneer in the industry he's so far above in a sense all the other because all the other channels are the same he's not competing against anybody he's competing against himself you know it's like you if you watch Automotive YouTube you either watch you know my style or you watch wi and Diesel and with my style there's a thousand creators so you'd have divvy up the views in a thousand ways yeah thank you so much of course thank you very much for coming back on the show it is always a pleasure to see you yes thank you guys for taking the time to come up here to Utah and we got to go for R and coning I can't wait absolutely thank you guys for watching comment down below free will or determinism until next time see you