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Ray Dalio expresses profound optimism regarding the creation of Artificial Intelligence, viewing it as a unique and transformative technology with broad applications that surpass previous innovations like digitalization or computerization. He argues that AI represents "thinking applied to everything," capable of revolutionizing fields from medicine to construction by enhancing productivity and discovering new medical treatments. However, he cautions that while the technological developments will occur rapidly, their beneficial integration into society, companies, and daily life is likely to be much slower than ideal due to significant challenges in usage and regulation. Despite its potential as a great equalizer for education globally, Dalio acknowledges that AI brings substantial disruptions with both detrimental and beneficial implications, including risks of misuse in warfare and negative impacts on mental health similar to those observed during the rise of smartphones. He emphasizes that the core issue is not merely technological but deeply rooted in human nature; specifically, whether humanity can solve problems collectively rather than fighting for individual self-interests. If people cannot work together toward a common good—such as addressing global debt or managing AI's societal impact—they risk falling into conflict where "everybody's fighting for self-interest," leading to collective harm and instability. The economic consequences of this technology are expected to be radical, creating a dynamic that exacerbates the divide between haves and have-nots rather than narrowing it. Dalio notes that while some sectors like logging or boat captaincy might remain safe initially, middle management roles in areas such as law, logistics, broadcasting, and analysis face displacement risks across the spectrum. He references Microsoft's white paper on job displacement to illustrate that no specific area is entirely protected from these changes. This widening gap threatens to increase internal political polarization, tension, and a surge in populism, raising serious concerns about how society will manage the transition without causing widespread anger or social unrest. Ultimately, Dalio offers a pessimistic prediction regarding humanity's ability to navigate this era wisely, attributing potential failure to inherent flaws in human nature rather than technological limitations alone. He draws on historical patterns of peace and prosperity versus brutality and war, suggesting that collective well-being often ebbs and flows based on whether individuals can overcome their instinct for self-preservation to achieve the "collective good." The central question remains how society will handle these disruptions: if we fail to solve our problems together through wisdom and cooperation, the result could be a future defined by conflict rather than progress.
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What's your perspective on the impact
that AI is going to have over the next
few years?
>> I think
there's the creation of AI
and it's going to be amazing and it
provides enormous
enormous
benefits. It's it's really unique. I
think it's the best technology ever
different technologies because it's
thinking that applies to everything. So
if you find better thinking applying to
medicine and everything
uh building buildings doing anything it
it has that broad application and it's
going to be a major
um um now
um I don't think the actual applications
to create the differences are going to
happen as fast as they are as as the
potential for them to happen is in other
words I think the developments will
happen but the issue of using it well
incorporating it into our lives
incorporating it into the companies and
so on so that it is producing its
benefits I think is going to be a lot
slower than ideally it could be and as I
say it could be used for wars
Um, and also it certainly will create
great disruptions.
I don't know that we'll be able to
handle those disruptions how we how we
do it. And I think it's very difficult
to even know
the applications
uh the the implications and applications
of of the new technology. It's like um
when the digital age came and we have
internet and computerization
um
you know now people will say you have a
higher
suicide rate and mental illness for kids
who are on phones.
>> Mhm. Now I would have thought that
um
that would have been a fantastic
equalizer of education.
You know all around the world you can be
educated on this and I can't tell you
one way or another other than I'm not
smart enough to tell the implications of
these things. It's a great productivity
tool. This is a great productivity tool.
Okay. what what has been its
implications?
Okay, it's many ways beneficial, many
ways people would say detrimental.
>> I think the most important thing over
time
is how people deal with each other.
In other words,
can we solve our problems together?
It's it's it's you know it's karma
or
you know
if you don't do it together you're going
to be at each other's throats and
and you won't solve the problems. He
said
>> figure, okay, how do we get to the
common good of whatever it is? How do we
commonly deal with the debt problem or
any of these things? You know, how do we
not fight? How do we solve problems well
together? Um, I I think that's so it's a
human nature question. It's not a
technology question.
>> You said you're not sure how well we'll
be able to uh handle the disruption.
of AI coming in. What What does that
mean? What does what does not handling
the disruption of AI uh what does doing
that badly or not handling it well? What
does that mean? Um it will have
implications for
employment. Um
um it'll radically enable and and just
as it's doing now radically enable and
enrich many people
and it will
replace many people and it will be used
for productivity and discovering of
medical treatments and the like and it
will be used for wars.
Um,
so it's it it's certainly going to be
very disruptive
in in beneficial and detrimental ways.
And
and just like all technologies over a
period of time, um but this one more so,
you know, how it's used
and and how the implications
of it are dealt with
will be of paramount importance.
I'm interested in
the sort of halves and have nots dynamic
that you identified earlier on. Um how
that is played into
economically.
It influences what happens in terms of
internal politics, increases
polarization, increases tension,
increases the desire for sort of
populism.
I have to assume that if AI comes in
that is you already mentioned this
whatever 1% of the population are
working at a bunch of companies and of
that 1% some will be in companies that
are in AI that are maybe going to have
an even more vertical hockey stick over
the next decade or so.
Surely that's just going to allow gains
to acrue to an even smaller group of
people. It's going to displace more
people from work. Uh I think uh maybe
Microsoft just released a huge 40page
white paper looking at the jobs that are
most likely to be displaced and the ones
that are least likely to be displaced.
And um it's like a it's actually quite
an interesting
cohort when you look at it. A lot of
very working like um uh lumbering
lumberjacks uh logging um boat captains.
None of those they they were the lowest
down on the list. middle management,
sports broadcasters, historians,
analysts, middle level, um,
uh, legal sort of bods, all that sort of
stuff, logistics, drivers. Um, so it
really does sort of cross the spectrum.
It doesn't seem like anybody's
particularly safe. It doesn't look like
anyone at any any area is going to be
protected from this. So yeah, I'm just
interested in what you what you see in
terms of this increasing polarity,
halves, have nots, and um yeah, what
that what that's going to mean for human
nature and human psychology and and
levels of well-being.
um
by studying history and um
studying human nature.
I I really do I'll I'll I'll
touch on that in a minute. Um
I think that um
it's what I've been saying in terms of
this conflict and how you work it out.
And then there's also I think people
have some need to be productive and I
think the society needs to for people to
be productive. Maybe it's theoretically
possible that you can just receive your
check but you still have to have
somebody determining do you get a check
and what do you do with it? And
>> you mean like a UBI type scenario? All I
know, all I know is that it's going to
be very disruptive.
And the question is, how are we going to
deal with it? Will we deal with it
wisely
in a way that most people agree and
don't get angry over?
And
you know
um
uh so that's kind of all I know. You
know
>> what's your prediction? How wise how
wisely do you think we're going to
navigate this?
>> Sorry.
>> How wisely do you think we're going to
navigate this? What's your
>> I don't think we're going to navigate it
wisely. I think we have a human nature
problem.
uh that's why I say
I I believe I believe in uh whether we
call it karma or spirituality
or the nature of can we make the
collective good
or does the individual fighting for
self-interest
get such that the collective
is bad
because everybody's fighting for
self-interest and they don't smartly
work things out. You know, what goes
around comes around. Um do unto others
as you would have them do unto yourself.
Throughout history, peace work it out
um
has ebbed and flowed
mostly. You get it during you get peace
in that during prosperous times. But
when you get um
a lack of prosperity or whatever, you
have the sort of
horrendous
brutality and wars,
you know, that we see in varying places.
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