AI, Fake Miracles, and Private Revelations: Discernment in the Digital Age

The greatest trick [music] the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. >> I didn't know this was a fight. That's why you're losing. Today we are beginning [music] either to domesticate the devil or else to deny him. He is most [music] powerful when he is denied. >> Welcome to the devil's in the details. The devil may be in the details, but God is on the throne. >> God is on the throne. God is on the throne. I'm going to keep doing that until you get an echo. I don't know if our editor is ever going to put an echo in there. Maybe just to get you to continue doing that. >> He is capable of doing that. >> He is very capable. >> Yeah. >> Um, so we wanted to We're going to go back to the Devil in the Castle series. However, this uh has been on my heart personally. I just made a video on this topic. >> Fake AI. >> Well, fake miracles. >> Fake miracles. >> And you know, I've been working in the AI field for years now since it came out. Whether it's generating video, you'll remember, we won't say who I whose voices I cloned, messing around, trying to learn this software, but I've cloned I've been cloning people's voices for years, >> not putting anything out, just for fun, >> just learning the how all this stuff works because >> I saw very early on that this was not going to go away. >> Yeah. >> And as we talked about with Dr. Mary Ruth Hackett in our our summit, which you can go find that, I'll put a link to our our summit vault if you want to catch those uh talks. Um, Pandora's box is opened. We're not putting this thing back in the box. AI is here. It's here to stay. And if you are not learning how to discern, >> you're gonna get fooled. >> You're gonna get fooled. >> And it could be devastating to your faith or the faith of people that are in your sphere of influence. >> Yeah. >> So, can we talk about the most recent thing that you discovered? >> Yeah. So, I made a v video recently uh not to date the show, but uh there is a image that's floating around. Uh sometimes the video is floating around of a supposed mass in Mulfetta, Italy. Apologies if I'm mispronouncing that where a blue beam of light is uh seemingly shining down or from you can't really tell the eucharistic host >> as the priest holds it up. >> As the priest is holding it up and and in the video it kind of, you know, as a priest moves from left to right, it follows the host or you can't really tell where it's coming from. Anyway, um I let me let me say I had I not seen the video and I'd only seen the picture, I'm not sure that it would have really triggered my AI spidey sense. I h and maybe just because I would have swiped through and saw, "Oh, that's interesting." and kept swiping. I'm I'm not usually drawn to those sorts of things. >> Yeah. >> Um but I do want to say that because it is becoming increasingly more difficult to discern what's generated and what isn't. Yeah. right now. The video is where my spidey senses went off. And then as I did the normative checking, uh it became very obvious very quickly. >> Um and to be clear, I even went this and this is more I guess more of a practical way >> just googling it. >> Yeah. And I ended up in Italian newspapers from that area in the diosis and websites and from that area where it claims to have happened trying to find any information even on a outdoor mass at that time or maybe a procession because they have those sorts of things. So anyway, yes, it takes time and effort, but that's kind of >> nothing appeared basically. >> Nothing appeared. Yeah. So I'm I'm pretty confident in saying that >> it is entirely AI generated. I'm I'm still somewhat on the fence whether or not there was an initial image that was altered, but based on what I saw, which I'll link the video, we don't need to get into it here, but based on what I saw in the I I just don't buy it at >> Well, there were there were telltale signs, [snorts] I think it's worth talking about. >> Yeah, >> cuz you and I looked at it and the beam doesn't say perfectly over the Eucharist. So if it's emanating from it, that would be like having a if you have a if you have a car light in the dark and the beam is coming out of the grill or partly out of the grill instead of all out of the light. >> Yeah. >> So that was there. >> Well, I'll steal man that. So just so we come off as totally fair. >> Yeah. >> If it's a otherworldly miracle beam from God. >> Yeah. >> I'm not prone to believe that it's going to necessarily follow physics. >> Okay. and like subsurface scattering, right? So, you know, subsurface scattering is things that I look for when I'm looking at this kind of stuff, which is like how light reflects. And I think subsurface scattering, particularly with how it reflects off material and like skin, um there's another word for it. That's all very highly technical, but that that one I would say, okay, I'll I'll put my skeptical hat aside because if it is a miracle, it may not it's probably not going to follow the laws of physics like incorrupt saints or uh the the um the blood that liquefies every, you know, that sort of thing. >> That being said, buildings can't change [laughter] >> and roof lines can't change, investments can't change uh within the span of a few seconds without someone changing them. the video. >> Yeah, the the crucifix swap sides multiple times and there's anchor points. So, you can again Steelman, you can say >> um someone Well, maybe they moved it. Okay. Well, or maybe it's sorry, maybe it's mirrored. Maybe they mirror the image. >> Yeah. >> Well, the alter boy with glasses, there's only one is on the same side in every image in video >> and he doesn't move. And yet the large crucifix swap sides multiple times. Um the the priest is holding a patent and the host is standing up on its own. And then on another one he's not holding a patent and suddenly the host is in his other hand. It was swapped from left to right, right to left. The chalice the the chalice was a bellshape at one point and then suddenly it's not a bell shape anymore. It's it's more cylindrical. >> All these sorts of things that u just don't make sense. You know, the crowd doesn't move. There's a lot there's a lot of stuff. So that's Yeah. So I think it's important to say both of us believe in miracles, right? >> Both of us have experienced miracles and so it's not about unbelief and it's about a growing problem that's going to get worse of Christians making fools of themselves >> and believing things that are not true which could damage their faith. >> Yeah. And and I would say being taken advantage of. >> True. Both. Yeah. >> I think that's, you know, I think that's a big because I want to be sensitive because I know people who and I'm not saying you're not being sensitive, but I know really good people who shared it. >> Yeah. >> And part of me aches for them because it's like, well, we shouldn't we have a childlike faith? Shouldn't we have wonder? Right. But also test all spirits. Yeah. So, there's there's just this fine line. But the childlike faith, how that works is it's a belief in God. It's not it's it's a belief in what he's doing for you, with you, in you, >> in the context of your life. I I >> So my application is a little bit off. That's fair. I'm struggling with it. >> I don't think it's a big problem what you're saying. I just think >> I because I never really had to think this through, >> but childlike faith for me has always been a personal thing. And it's like, well, is this a miracle or is it not? It's in my life. This is what happened. >> And just being prone to believe. A disposition to believe is very good. >> I don't think that that applies to the internet and other people's stuff. I, you know, like I said, I I haven't thought this much through, but uh it's fascinating because when you said maybe we should talk about this today, I started to think immediately. I remember when I was a young Christian, they found a hole that supposedly had been or I or >> they dropped a microphone down >> down it. Yeah. And there was screaming like from hell. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Like hell is in the middle of the earth or something, you know. >> And it was crazy how many people believe that. And I'm just going really. And then >> and it still makes the rounds today before the show. There's there's one that uh we talked about on this show of you know just hoax people. Michael Warkey is the the big one. He claimed to be a Satanist. That was in the 80s or 90s and he wrote this book called Satan Seller and you know all of that. And uh and then and the the Focus on the Family was the organization that picked it up and had him on and all that. And I'm not criticizing them because they learned from this. They actually had this happen several times and they decide, okay, we're done. We need to check one, we need to wait, give it time when people are new, newly converted. Two, we need to check more detail in their background. So they so they did, but initially they had a few people on that ended up being hoaxes. >> And this guy was an incredible storyteller, but uh but a liar through and through. And whatever his motives are, there's there's another one. and I don't want to mention his name, but supposedly former Satanist who claims that he's not had to go through exorcism, you know, um claim and then claims that he infiltrated all these churches. And if you just start doing the math, it's just ridiculous. There's another one uh a Catholic um seer mystic uh not too long ago um was making the rounds in a similar situation. And all you got to do is check the math of oh I was here I did this that and just start doing your calculations. And look I'm histo I am chronologically impaired. That means I I am almost incapable at getting chronology right. But when you're writing a book and you're making claims you either [clears throat] have to or you're or you're writing articles and making claims and doing that you either have to say upfront okay look I I'm you know terrible about this. So just recognize some things could be a little bit out of order. I've been writing a book myself and and I've made that about some chronology in my own life. But this person who was, you know, was supposedly people are becoming prepper and ready for, you know, the three days of darkness and all this other stuff. Just impossible things. Um there's there's so that one there's another one a priest. This that person wasn't a priest. There's a priest. won't say his name. >> But real quick, you're not saying that the three days of darkness is impossible. You're saying that the claims in which the person made around them Yeah. is impossible. >> Yeah. Around the apocalyptic sort of >> I had a vision of multiple YouTube comments. Are you saying you don't believe? [laughter] No. Um I like what Taylor Marshall said about three days of darkness. He said, "Look, I've got a fire extinguisher in my house. Why not have three three beeswax candles?" you know, which I thought was kind of a funny comment, [laughter] but um so uh another one, a priest in Canada and just uh just really bizarre offthe-wall stuff and and but of course very popular and and until you get a skeptical thinker who starts going, "Okay, so if that you said that, you said this, you said that, you predicted this, that didn't happen, you know, and you you just you it starts to unravel and and I just think that we need to have we need to be skeptical and we should never share anything like this on the internet in my opinion unless we've checked it out our due diligence well and that's where I'll get a little bit more harsh and not in this case just in general because I see this with um quote unquote private revelation or I I see it more with writings I I did. You know, I said in that video, I predicted over a year ago that this we were going to see more fake miracles. We're going to see more fake demonic things as well. By the way, I've already seen one. I didn't make a video on that cuz I it died pretty quick. And that's kind of where my >> I'm like if I I don't want to bring attention to something, if it's going to die on its own, let it go away. >> But if it starts gaining traction, then you need to talk about it. >> Um but yeah, people sharing this stuff without doing research. We live in a time where, like I mentioned before, I was on Italian websites that Google translated for me in the browser, so I can search through and see if there was any type of information. And it took me I mean, I went deep, but I have an investigative background anyway. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm probably going deeper than most people would think to, but it took me less than an hour to find all this information. just looking through the video, downloading it, looking at it frame by frame, going and looking, okay, did this actually happen? Can I find it? Here's a here's an easy one for you. What is the source? So, if you Google like in this instance, uh, Eucharistic Miracle, Lightbeam, if you want to go hyper specific, Mulfetta, Italy, >> yeah, >> you're going to see that the only things that are floating around on this >> is Facebook groups, >> right? >> Catholic Facebook groups. I'm using air quotes because we don't know. Uh, and they're copy pasting the same caption. >> Yeah. >> And it's always the same uh video. It's always the same image. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, let's think logically. >> But it doesn't say dascese of reports. >> It doesn't say in front of which church. >> Yeah. >> Let's think logically. If there was thousands of people there. >> Yeah. >> Why would we not should we not have hundreds of videos? Maybe 20. How about 20 different videos? You're telling me that thousands of people saw that and we only have one angle and it's the one angle that's being shared >> right with today with iPhones. You kidding me? Right. There'd have been there would have been a thousand videos and pictures out there and it had been exploding like crazy. >> EW10 would have picked it up. Life would have picked I mean >> so that's I'm picking on this video because it's it's most recent. This is the same thing that happens with various private revelations which are a little bit harder to to dig through but as you mentioned >> or people's stories you know doing the timeline where so this is this is a talking about what the enemy does for deception. I think in this case this is a money grab. I don't necessarily think it was malicious. I think that people know that if you post on Facebook and it's interesting enough especially to a niche group of people like Catholics and they spread it like crazy that person just got a payday. >> Mhm. So, it's disingenuous. It's dishonest. I'm not >> And just so folks don't understand, what do you mean payday? Why? How? >> Uh, so all these social media platforms, Facebook, Twitter, you name it. Uh, if you if you get a lot of uh plays, so people are sharing it and it goes to more people, gets played more times, it's more viewed, you get paid, >> so they'll pay you. Like I get I don't I actually personally don't get any money from it. It all goes to the high calling program. It's all donated to the high calling program. even on Instagram if people watch my videos for I don't know how they calculate it but I get these emails it's like hey you got 25 cents today [laughter] came to that program but you get paid so there so there's a financial incentive for these things to be made now this isn't new so when we were talking about I'm shifting here and and if you want me to go back or if you want to pause or whatever let me know but when we were coming over to the studio talking about this I mentioned mentioned um how there are you know the [gasps] the enemy can appear as an angel of light. >> Yeah. >> And scripture says to test all spirits. >> Yeah. >> And we should have a nature of uh healthy skepticism. >> Mhm. >> What does that look like? We're commanded to in scripture, which is why it says test every spirit. Test all the spirits. Says there are doctrines of demons. It says there's deception. You know, all that. So scripture is very clear inspired by the Holy Spirit. Don't just believe everything you hear. Test the spirits. It's interesting. One of the cases too that I thought about which or you mentioned at first I can't remember but also came to mind was one with John of the Cross and you had this poor Clare nun who was supposedly living only on the Eucharist. And the church had John of the Cross investigated and >> because they were rightfully skeptical, right? And he determined she was possessed. >> Yeah. that it wasn't it wasn't true. >> Right. >> So you you >> which which by the way I got to pause you there. Yeah. >> We have some Catholic commentators out there who say if you take the Eucharist >> which and I don't want to I got to be careful how I say this. >> We've said many times the normative means of protecting yourself from the enemy is having a healthy sacramental life including partaking in the Eucharist, including going to confession, all those sorts of things. That is true. >> Yeah. But it is also true that you can be possessed and take the Eucharist. >> Yes. That's a whole different issue. But of course, you know, I've been in a mass with a pos fully possessed person. >> That was Yeah, I was there. It was very recent. >> Right. [laughter] Right. Right. So God God have mercy on them. But yeah, no, you can you can Yeah. So it just and I I just have to say I think that you know given like that situation there are some media outlets one in particular who sensationalizes everything. >> Yeah. >> There are some podcast personalities who sensationalize everything. Why do you give time to that stuff? I mean, just all you all you got to do is check the headline and go, "Oh, you know, is is that really what happened?" And I've done that and oh, wow. But I what what is shocking to me is that there are people who say they are devout Catholics who blatantly lie. >> Yeah. >> Blatantly lie in headlines. Blatantly lie in the thing. And some are deceived. That's different. They're not as culpable. >> And and for people who maybe this is their first episode, you know, news probably better than any >> I used to run the largest news Catholic news organization in the world, >> right? >> You know, so yeah, I >> it's worth it's worth saying. >> Yeah. No, I knew and I you know I I and I can one of the reasons I'm not as easily deceived by AI is my healthy skepticism from probably from that job. But I've always had I've always had a test every spirit sort of thing. And and you know at the same time, you know, I saw miracles very early as a Christian. I've been healed. I've seen the demonic experiences demonic, been in exorcisms, all that. So I've seen all this supernatural stuff. Um, but yet and and I guess I just know have this sense of wait, you know, some somebody said the other day um and I I got to be careful about how I say this, but somebody said the other day that the blessed mother said X >> and what was conveyed to me came from a very devout person reasonably discerning um from a seer. Someone is considered as a seer or a mystic or whatever. And I said, "I don't believe she said that." >> Yeah. >> And the person like, "What do you call that?" I like I like everyone's huh >> fell out. >> They stalled out. >> Blue. It's the Windows blue screen. [laughter] >> It was like they went >> You just said that. >> Yeah. But this but this but but you know right >> and I'm like yeah I just said it. I don't believe she said that right >> now. What's interesting about that is I believe the seer that was in question has actually said true things. >> Why would I think but but if they say true things don't >> that's the danger of our time man. It's so dark. >> Yeah. But but go follow this logic. Can someone who's a legitimate prophet of God say things that are wrong? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That bec we're imperfect beings. This is one of the reasons why Teresa Babala warned in the Interior Castle and it's in the book we're we're going through right now. >> Not today, but in >> not today. But she said, "If you get a vision and Jesus is standing in front of you and tells you to do something and it's contrary to what your spiritual director told you to do, do what your spiritual director told you to do." Why would she say that? Because she knows the human person is just has an infinite capacity for self-d delusion. Infinite capacity to believe lies is basically what that means, right? And and what is tangible in front of you should have greater weight in holiness because your your spiritual director is holy, devout Catholic, right? You're a devout Catholic. The tangible stuff in front of you, I can taste, touch, smell, feel, I can touch your skin. I can hear that is far less likely to deceive you than something that's that that's in a v a super of supernatural origin. >> Right. Right. Well, in our own human psychology, which is perpetually justifying our own uh emotional reactions. I've been reading a bunch of books on this and talking about it in different places and yeah. So, [laughter] yeah, we have to be very very careful. Um, so do you want to get into I pulled out visions and revelations from father Gabriel of St. Mary Magdalene because in the back of the book there's an appendix and it's it's titled other pastoral considerations in the discernment of visions and revelations and I always found and this is from Aman theology of Christian perfection which is a a long kind of renown >> Jordan Alman yeah >> how do you pronounce it >> or Alman >> Alman okay >> yeah he was at the angelicum in Rome trained the Dominicans brilliant >> so you know the book I've I've said that this book is worth the price alone just for this appendix. >> Yeah. And this now so the the theology of Christian perfection was both Jordan Alman and uh Antonio Royo Marin OP who's also famous for uh his excellent work on the realm of mysticism. >> Yeah. >> Uh and they are believers by the way. They're they're scholars, academics. They're both uh Dominican priests and God rest their souls but they are believers in these things. >> So >> um so the first rules for discernment of mystical phenomenon uh they say the the following norms are offered as rules by which the spiritual director may be guided in the discernment of spirits so far as it pertains to revelations and prophecies. I I guess the the context here is how do you navigate what's true and what's false? Right. Is that >> the easy oneline, you know, elevator pitch? >> Oh, you want me to read the first one? >> Sure. >> Any revelation contrary to faith and morals must be rejected as false. God does not contradict himself. So, this is an interesting one. Um, so the question of aliens is is if you >> That's a whole show. That's a whole show. People ask for that. >> But but in general, just ask one simple question. What are they teaching? If there's alien human contact, what's the message the person got? >> Right. Uh, and if they got this message of, oh, I was just I'm going to go to heaven and I, you know, I don't have any religion, but I'm fine. >> Yeah. You know what? I'm marking that down because there's a particular name. I believe his name is Chris Bledsoe. >> Uhhuh. >> And what he teach, he has a massive following. What he teaches on aliens and faith >> is I I I will say purely demonic. It is it's and it's [snorts] crazy. And I know people have asked about about that. So, I'm writing that down and maybe that's like a teaser for people listening. But anyway, so the second one, >> any revelation contrary to the common teaching of the theologians or purporting to settle an argument among the schools of theology should be held gravely suspect. Most authors maintain that it must be rejected. Pope Benedict 16th while while referring to both opinions does not settle the question. meaning if you have okay is Mary uh co-mediatrics [snorts] or or or is that an inappropriate title for her or or something a disputed question that's never been resolved by the magisterium. If you have a a vision or a revelation that solves that it it should be held as under skepticism. >> Right. Okay. Um, three, just because one aspect of the revelation is found to be false does not serve as grounds to reject the entire revelation. The remainder of which or the remainder of what is revealed can be possibly authentic. >> See, this is this is this is what I was referring to earlier. >> You know, there are some people who will look at certain modern revelations or modern mystical things, and I'm not big into any of this stuff at all. So, I'm I don't have a dog in the hunt. I'm I'm uh I sort of just follow the church. If it's not condemned, fine. Go do what you want. But I you're not going to find me going with you or hanging out and looking into it. I don't need everything in our faith that we need to get to heaven is already present. >> Yeah. >> I don't need any new revelations. I'm not saying they're bad, >> right? >> Um I do pray, you know, I do pray in accordance with Fatima every day. So, you know, private revelations have affected me, but um but I just don't, you know, they need to be vetted before you're going to find me running around with them. But that said, there are people who uh as an example who say, well, uh let's just use Mugoria as an example. Well, this one thing was false, so everything must be false. and that it's just not the way the church thinks about these things because it understands >> that the human person is is frail in its interpretation or whatever. And so they could say some things that are true and some things that are not, >> right? I don't know if we need to go through all of these initial ones because they're talking about discernment sorts of things. I think more appropriate to what we're talking about is probably moving on to two >> the diabolical influence >> and people should should go to Sophia Institute Press and buy this book anyway. >> Yeah. visions and revelations by father Gabriel of St. Mary Magdalene who used to be the director of the tricanum in Rome before the second Vatican council which was like the spiritual formation center of the universe at one time. >> And by the way you can also get it on sanctify s a i n t i fi.com and listen to it if you >> that's an amazing service. >> It is actually >> I think I think our >> we haven't talked about it in a while so I had to throw that in there. >> I think most of my books if not all of them are on audio. They're all available through and if you subscribe you you get access to whatever you want. Yeah. So, I'll tell you. Sorry, guys. I know this is such a a forced ad. I didn't mean for it to be. I literally just bought three more credits for Audible today, even though I get monthly credits, and I get I think three a month, but I go through so many books. >> Yeah. >> Um, with Sanifi, it's it's one time. You pay you get as many books as you want. Right. >> So, it's it is >> No, it's a subscription though, isn't it? Once >> it Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. You pay your your subscription, >> your monthly, >> but you get as many books as you want. Your subscription. Yeah. I'm not buying extra credits or anything like that. So, all right. So into diabolical influence which is kind of more on point of what we're we're talking about here with you know whether it's the AI whether it's the discerning the mystical revelations or private revelations or whatever um they start with the study of predinatural is so vast and complicated that a thorough treatment of the subject would take us far beyond the scope of our present work. We shall content ourselves with the enumeration of the main points of theological doctrine concerning diabolical influence and refer the reader to other works which treat the subject in greater detail. So uh long story short, it's such an complicated and vast topic that this is only a precursor. >> Um so they talk about devil being real. Two is with God's permission the devil can exercise an evil influence over men even to the extent of invading and tormenting them in bodily manner. We know that Padre Pio St. John Viani that's all obvious should be obvious to all of us. Three in the midst of the assaults of the devil man's will always remains free because the will can be moved only in two ways. So it goes into that. Um the good angels and devils can intrinsically act upon the imagination and this is the key. >> Yes. The good angels and devils can intrinsically act upon the imagination and other internal and external senses because these are all organic powers and the devil has power to exercise his influence on anything material. And I think I can say unequivocally this has been my greatest experience. My the most common experience in my life of the demonic has been to try to divide me from somebody else by twisting an interpretation even in my own mind changing words >> in a text or in an email or whatever >> um than any other >> right >> kind of diabolical influence I've experienced. But this also means that anything material, light, >> yeah, >> air, >> yeah, >> smell, anything material can be manipulated. >> Which is [clears throat] why, as you said, it's the key because when we're talking about being discerning, there may be in the future some miracle blue beam that comes down and and you know, lands on the Eucharist and it's not clearly an AI video. You still have to be skeptical and you still have to test that >> and see because the enemy can appear as an angel of light and can manipulate these things. >> And the key to you keep saying this and I think it probably worth some extrapolation or expanding I mean is he can work as an angel of light which is something that St. Paul revealed in the New Testament. uh meaning and and spiritual writers and teachers over the years have interpreted that as saying that when you are a person of good will and moving from good to better, that's actually more likely what he's going to do is try to convince you to do good things that are not God's will. >> Yes. Well, and uh and maybe I'm maybe I'm giving a little bit more broad of a definition than initially intended, but you think of all these people who have been involved in the occult and they're looking for some sort of answer >> and something presents itself as oh this will solve it. It presents as a good. >> Yeah. >> That is not a good. >> Yeah. >> Right. So there's there's that reality too. >> Yeah. >> Um it's just you know the norm normal deception. >> So five this is interesting. The devils cannot work through miracles because the definition of a miracle surpasses the power of all created nature. But since the angelic powers far surpass human powers, the devils can perform predigious feats which arouse men's admiration so far as they exceed the power of knowledge of human beings. The devil can create fake miracles is essentially what that's saying. Well, can't >> Well, I'm using miracle, you know, with the >> the devils cannot work through miracles because the mira but since angelic powers far the devils can perform feats which arouse man's admiration as far as they exceed the power of knowledge or of what can be done right. >> Yeah, I see what you're saying. >> So, there are limitations which is this is also super helpful. Um, by some reason of by some reason of or sorry, by reason of some contradiction involved or because they surpass the power of an angelic being, the devils cannot do the following. Produce any kind of truly supernatural phenomenon because the sup because the supernatural by definition exceeds all natural creative powers. That's going to confuse some people. it it they're they're def they're defining a true miracle >> in ma in you know slight of hand actually is probably better way to say it >> right >> the slight of hand is I'm making it look like this thing >> what some people may think is a miracle but it's not actually it's just slight of hand >> um the devils cannot create a substance because creation requires an infinite power and no creature of any kind can be used even as an instrument of creation >> so can I summarize all Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. >> They can twist or distort what is, but they can't create >> right >> new. They can't really heal. >> Right. >> Um I'll I'll pull >> Somebody's going to say, "Well, but how but I've heard of people being healed by a demonic power." And the answer is, well, how do you know what the diagnosis was before they were healed? So, you know, if they're suffering all kinds of pain, how do you know that the the pain wasn't caused by the demon? I was about to say that's actually been documented in multiple cases, >> has it? >> Yeah. Where the enemy will create some sort of illness in the person, persuade them to go to like a Reiki or something like that in order to get those claws in deep, >> right? To to to deceive the person and believing certain kinds of, you know, it's interesting you say this and it's this is another thing with with people who come out of yoga and have testimonies. This is one of the most common mistake they make. The yogi said therefore, >> right? >> And and you know the yogi said it had power or whatever. I give a >> right >> you know blank what the yogi said, >> right? >> He doesn't know what he's talking about. He's deceived. >> It's interesting as m in so much as it teaches or it reveals what they believe. >> Yeah. >> But it shouldn't be held as truth because it is deception. you know, um, the devil cannot know the secrets of a person's mind and heart since the devil does not by his own power have access to the human intellect and will. But obviously people think, well, what about the sermon of spirits? If you have a demon, a a being that has been following you around since you were born, knows every single intricate thing about you, every detail, every movement, like a superhuman computer. >> Yeah. >> Uh, they can intuitit things and suggest things and whisper in your ear. >> Yeah. So that's why we say not every thought is your own because you know when this is also maybe I'm going a little bit off the off the rail here but you can you can rein me in. It's not it's not saying it's not saying they can't suggest things to you in your mind. >> They can. >> Which they can. It's more so that like if you're thinking something doesn't mean that they can read your thoughts. >> That's right. they can observe and and and deduce and they can, you know, if you want to get a good comparison of that, you think of >> of uh what is what is that sleuth um series uh Watson and >> Sherlock Holmes. >> Yeah. >> So, if you think of Sherlock Holmes as as the greatest, you know, detective ever. I know he's mythical, but >> that's one of my all-time favorite books. >> Amazing power to detuce things. Well, a demon can do that times a million. >> A billion. Yeah, that's that's really what it is. Okay, so I'm going to skip ahead. This is this is what's really important for people. I think all this has been important, but this is really kind of brass tax. >> Here's what the enemy can falsify. Uh produce corporeal or imaginative visions, but not intellectual visions. So, they can create visions. They can falsify ecstasy. Produce rays of light in the body and sensible heat. There have been examples of what is called diabolical incandescent. They can cause sensible constellations and tenderness. They can instantaneously cure strain sicknesses which have been caused by diabolical influence which we already talked about. They can produce the stigmata and all other kinds of bodily extraordinary phenomenon and any phenomenon dealing with physical objects such as crowns, rings, etc. They can simulate miracles in the phenomenon of levitation by location and uh co competent. I don't know that word. What's What's this one right here? My ignorance. >> Co-penetration of bodies. Yeah. >> All right. Uh cause person or objects to disappear from sight by placing an obstacle in the line of the vision or acting directly on the sense of sight. Um produce bodily incombustibility by interposing some medium between the fire and the body of the individual. Anyway, some of that gets a little bit out there, but >> you know, the last thing I want to talk just mention as we we're probably going to wrap this up now is uh they can produce uh the gift of tongues, which is I shouldn't say I said that wrong. So, they can produce a a a manifestation of tongues because that's I heard that for the first time when we were together at that mass. that person I was dealing with them with a priest after the mass and they spoke in a language that they didn't understand nor did I was clearly a language I want to just say publicly here because I know many people have heard Father Riper say that um you know this is one of the signs of demonic possession and and and it and it is but it is nothing remotely like what I've heard in uh charismatic circles No, I'm not saying I don't speak in tongues, but I'm not against it. >> You're also not giving a green light to what's happening there as well. You're just saying I'm neutral. Yeah, I'm neutral. I believe in the gifts, you know, >> but wow, is there a difference, right? A huge difference. >> Uh, and quite a chilling difference actually the the from what I heard. But anyway, so back to the whole point of this show from the beginning, we started with AI. Um, please stop sharing this stuff. Uh, you're really are you're you're just sharing deception. Uh, if it looks legit and you want to share it, um, go find out, you know, if it's real or not. Go do an exploration on and and but don't just share it even if it's from a reputable so-called reputable source. Uh, so just be cautious. Scripture says over and over, "Test all things and hold fast to that which is true." >> Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I couldn't say any better. I think we know that the devil is real. We know that he is constantly trying to deceive us, whether that is in our personal lives with relationships or whatever. >> And humans are constantly looking to deceive one another, right? All kinds of reasons. >> Yes. And we also deceive ourselves. And so in terms of >> our batting average for truth is really really low [laughter] >> and so we should be as skeptical as is reasonable and um >> yeah and so before you say our last last words visions and revelations by father Gabriel St. Mary Magdalene published by Sophia Institute Press uh if you'd rather uh get a digital copy of the book uh and get access to thousands of other books. >> That's right. It's not just audiobooks. They do digital. >> Yeah. >> Like Kindle. >> Yeah. >> Within the app. >> Saintifi. S A I N T I Fi.com. All >> right. Romans 16:20. The God of peace will sh soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. >> Amen.