A Demon or Imaginary

There we go. So, how you doing, my friend? >> Doing good. Doing good. Doing good. How are you? >> I'm good. >> I got All right. So, you can hear me well. >> I can hear you. >> Yeah. Sometimes my microphone's a little weird. Um, also I have acid reflux, so if I burp, it's not me being mean or rude, but it's just uh what it goes. You hit a lot of topics, but um what I'm here basically for is the Abendigo thing. The I have some experiences I'd like to have you analyze as all. >> Okay. Sure. Um, but I do want to first say that it seems that if this is your guy, if this is drama between you two, um, then we're in good shape because it doesn't seem like you guys are yelling at each other. It doesn't seem like you're being hateful or angry. Um, you might you might have some honest feelings that you guys express, but nothing's been cutting. You know, it's not like you're typing constantly in in capital letters to each other. There's no hatred. [laughter] It seems like it seems like you're all gentle. It seems like you guys are at least performing certain things in kindness. I don't know how genuine everybody is in involved, but if this is like as as bad as it gets, then that that's this is a good thing cuz I I would expect I would expect there to just be visceral, but it there doesn't it doesn't seem to be any of it. So, I I appreciate that. I can't say the same about some of the comments or or some of the um some of the people who are watching you. I can't say that about some of the some of the um public, but I can at least say it seems like you both are handling it rather maturely, which is which is very good. >> I agree with you. >> Yeah, it's actually inspiring. It's good to see because I I watch a lot of debates and people just people just talk to win. They don't they don't talk to learn or to help, you know? It doesn't seem like they're actually sincere. It's more like a business. So, it's just it's kind of sad to see, especially when you taught the name of God or the name of truth in philosophy. Um, where you're just trying to win up on somebody and um it's just I mean, you might as well watch a cartoon if you want entertainment, you know, because there's no there's no good in this. It's just tearing down someone to tear down someone. But, so my experience when I was a kid, I still think I was um I still think I was saved during this time, but I had a sickness that came over me. It was a cold. Um, and I had prayed that God would get rid of it. And the next day it had gotten really bad and it was just oppressive out of nowhere. It was just really deep. Um, my my dad was a um a charismatic. He's still a charismatic. I'm not charismatic. Um, I think you've you've had some some situations with charismatic. So, you know, there can be a lot of deception. Um, and even spiritual warfare that that that shows itself pretends to be like the Holy Spirit or something. Um but and my mom's a Baptist so it's like direct opposites really just really funny. Um they did work together together well for a little bit. Um but anyway so he prayed over me in tongues. I don't really stand very strongly on tongues. My experiences have been different ever since. But um he was praying over me and I felt him rebuke it is what I felt. and I felt this thing that was on me cower down after he had prayed and then leave. And so that was my first experience with something being on me. Um, and I do I do still believe I was a Christian at that point. Uh, fast forward, I had prayed to be with this girl. God said no. Um, there was a witch that got involved. I didn't know she was a witch until later on discerning. She had pretended to be like a false prophetess or whatever. And you know how witchcraft is, it can cause a lot of weird things to happen. I don't know how much experiences you have had with witchcraft, but um very real if you get into it. Very very very important that you there's a lot of people pretending, but there are other people that they're not pretending. Um so she she did some things like read my thoughts and different things like that. But um [snorts] uh she had given this false prophecy to this girl and when I when I heard it um I was like at a very low point but I let something in. Um and I later had talked to somebody else about it who she wasn't a Christian but she had the same experience when her dad left her. Um she got such to a such a low point in her life that she just let something in. And ever since she did that, her experience was that it would throw her out of her body. So she'd watch herself live for a little while and it called itself a different name than hers, a little longer of a so she hated that part. So she never wanted anyone to say her full name because of that. But she would come back in. She didn't know what it was. She thought she was crazy. She didn't want to share it with people because it would make her look crazy. Um, but I had the same experience of letting something in. But the problem was is that I didn't have the experience of losing consciousness or or faculty in my body. Um I believe it's because I was saved. Um but I did have a lot of oppressive thoughts. I did have a lot of like bad moods or bad feelings. Um it since is gone. It does follow me around. I had prayed um to have God sort of illuminate that verse about um Paul's thorn in his flesh. I do believe it it's demonic because I still had that same experience where this thing was given to me for a time and God allowed it to become close to me um just to answer that type of prayer and show me what what he meant through it. Now that's my own personal experience. I don't expect people to just accept it biblical truth. I do think that when especially when it comes to spiritual experiences, uh because there are so many liars out there and people that are garnering attention and followers that you pray about it and you seek God and you go back to the scriptures um because the Bible is the only sure ground you have because like you were talking about there's false prophets and eventually there's going to be false miracles and you got to know your God. Um otherwise you might get swept away by the deceitfulness. So, it's just it's that kind of a thing where I had those two experiences where I was very close to a demon and I still had control over it. It never like took over my my sensibilities. I could send it away. I could I sent it to this one um witch because she was saying that she was she was pretending to be something powerful. I was trying to I was trying to explain Jesus. Um and in because she was pretending to be powerful, I'm like, "Look, I'll just send you this thing and you tell me if you can get rid of it." and she, you know, came back with her boyfriend and they said, "Hey, get it out of my house. Get it out of my house." So, it was stuff like that where and I wasn't convicted, but I don't think I was sinning in and doing that kind of stuff, but it just shows you that I still had authority over the thing, but I was just close to it. >> So, the these these would be examples of some sort of demonic incursion in your life or on your life, right? >> Absolutely. >> Now, um I do not say that demons aren't real. and things don't happen. Heck, there are times where I can say, "Man, what was that?" I I I'll never forget, I I have no answer for this, and I don't try to make it out to be a demon, but I'll never forget. I was one day I was at home, and I was a young man, a young man, a young boy. Uh I was in fourth grade. So, what would that make me? 10, 11? I don't know. How old are you in fourth grade? If I can think of the year, whatever, whatever, whatever you are. I think what are you 10, 11? I'm 11. I think. No, no, I'm sorry. The beginning of fifth grade. So, I was whatever. Anyway, at this time, we went we would go home and open the door ourselves and wait there till our parents got home. Sometimes uh one of us would cook something if my if if if my mother pulled something out, put this in the oven, set it on this. Bam. So, I'm in the house. My brother Chris is not there. I don't know where he is. I don't know. My mother had has not come home yet. I'm sitting in the house and I hear this voice say, "Get out." I heard her say it twice. You know what I did? I got out and my mother comes around the corner. She's coming up. She said, "What are you doing outside?" I said, "I'm I heard somebody say, "Get out." So, I got out. She said, "Boy, nobody in the house." And so, she so I said, "No, mom. I'm not going back in the house." My mother went in the house. Um, now my mama had had a gun. So, if somebody was in there, somebody was getting shot. My mother said, "Boy, get your butt in here." You know what I did? I got in the house. You know what I didn't think about? Whatever it was that said it. I got in the house, did what she told me to do, clean up something or whatever, and started watching TV. I don't know what that was, if it was anything. I know this, the mind is the most inconsistent thing ever known to human man. I mean, humankind. Uh, one moment is steady, the next moment is all over the place. and we can't figure it out. You have neurologists and and brain surgeons and those who who who study this like it's just it's hard to figure out why we do things or why we see things. Um there really is a diagnosis of paranoia. And what will what will the paranoid people say? A lot of the paranoid people or those who've been diagnosed as bipolar or schizophrenic and and even worse um they would have the same sort of testimony. So I'm not saying it wasn't a demon. I'm not saying something is a demon. I'm not saying it was something mental. But if you start seeing similarities with those who might be mentally ill, then it could be that. Now, those things can be I think rectified [sighs and gasps] because I I still go back to this belief. The people who have no thought, no forethought about anything demonic at all don't have these experiences. They just they just don't. I'm not saying they they don't have anything weird. By the way, weird things or crazy things can happen. I'm not saying demons can't do things in this world. I'm not saying God won't allow them to do things in this world. Um, what I am saying is whether a demon does something to you, whether the person is unsaved and something happens or saved, whatever, whe matter what happens, what are you supposed to be doing? What are you supposed to be focusing on? Uh, you said Cory, you missed something. You trusted a stronger power. That's my point. >> So when I am like when I went in the house, my mama said it. That was it. >> Demon. Demon or not. Yeah. You listen. My mama's home. [laughter] So So what am I focused on? Her and what she said. >> What am I focused on now as a believer? Him and what he says. So when the Bible tells me that there's no power that can take over, nothing can separate me, nothing can touch me, nothing can move me, then I I I believe that. So sometimes we demonstrate our level of trust in the Holy Spirit and even sometimes our leaning on the power of the Holy Spirit. What you described to um to you would not nor has it happened to me. >> Right. >> Now I thought, man, that's weird. I thought one time I saw some lights. Um, what is that? Oh well, moved on. Cuz whatever it is, whether it was something made up, whether it was something physical, let's say, some sort of chemical reaction in the atmosphere, or it was a demon, whichever one of those three things, it would have been or could have been something in my brain made up or something that's happening physically in the atmosphere, these lights or whatever, or if it is a demon. Either way, you know what I you know what I do with it? Put it to the side because it's immaterial compared to the word and compared to my falling of Christ. That's why the people over here have no have have none of those um testimonies. So, I would never come and say, "Hey, it wasn't real." Cuz I wasn't there. I couldn't say I, you know, it wasn't experienced or what have you. I can't I will never say that what happened with this person they're saying is real or not. Now, sometimes I'll say, "Yeah, you know what? what I'm seeing. Let's say if I see what's the guy's name, Daniel Adams, casting out a demon or Katherryn Crick casting out a demon. Yep. That ain't real. That just ain't real. >> Uh you were cast out, the demon was casting out of you and you were falling all over the place and you remembered to pull your hold your skirt down so it wouldn't fly up, right? >> Um one guy had [clears throat] his cell phone. He wouldn't drop that cell phone. He's not going to let that cell phone, that $,500 device get banged up. He want He wants to protect his screen. So yeah, you don't act like a person who's lost control. And if a person has lost control, they don't have the spirit. I don't mean like like a you know, you lose your cool moment. You know, someone says something, you just fly off the handle. I don't mean that. >> I mean, you know, this these bouts of just these fits of rages that you're having. That's not that it that can't be true of a Christian and have the Holy Spirit. I I would say my my experience shows that it's like there were you don't have to believe me but there's a girl in Dubai who was a Muslim and God was doing some things just to reach out to her her mom had cancer and then after she had talked to me about it the day after it was gone and then she had a she had a spirit of fear that would that would come on her every so often and it wasn't her mother and then it wasn't her and the day after she talked to me about it it was gone and so God was was doing these things just to reach out to And that like what you were saying about the the the the miracles in the Bible, it seems like he'll actually move if you give him room to move when you're evangelizing and mostly only when you're evangelizing because the object of glory is Christ, not the person. >> And so it's like when you give the gospel its room and you give God his room to do what he wants to do, he'll go above and beyond some of the things that you want him to do. I asked him to heal someone's throat. He sent an angel and she she felt like someone left let put a put a hand on her throat and she felt like she was in church when she was a child. None of that I asked. I just said, "Hey God, could you get rid of her cold?" >> Let me ask you this. If I if I were in a place where people believed in um demons or a lot of the supernatural happening, if I were in a place like that and we all believed it, all of us, there's 20 of us, there's a hundred of us or a thousand from in a church. and I say something like that, what's the likelihood that the person that I said it to is going to believe it? Pretty pretty high, right? >> Yeah. >> And then what's the likelihood or what's the h [clears throat] how susceptible are they, >> right, >> to feeling something happening and it didn't it? Now, I'm not saying it didn't happen >> because it could happen. >> See, and I asked I asked a person who believed in demons uh in Christians and and these different miraculous things. I said, "What if?" Because the devil is smart. If there's anybody smart on this planet, it's going to be him. He's been around a lot longer than us. He knows a lot more. He knows history better than us. If a devil with his team of demons knows something about you. Can he tell someone? Sure. Why? Why wouldn't he? Cuz it can make you like, "Wow, that's a" Because we see like magic tricks and we're like taking back, >> you know, like what's the guy David Blaine or whatever whatever his name is. We can see stuff like this like wow or David Copperfield, you know. So, we can see these these things. What if um a demon does something to make you think along those lines? >> Yeah. >> What if there's actually some sort of demonic incursion that's actually happen? What if the Lord is allowing to happen >> to see what you're going to lean to? >> Yep. >> Here's why I asked this question. In the Bible, God will allow. As a matter of fact, that God will pref the Bible says in Ezekiel uh or yeah, he Ezekiel 14, I think, that he would prevail upon the false prophet to speak. Wait a minute, God. Why are you prevailing upon move upon the false prophet to speak? I'm trying to see something. I'm trying to see who's going to follow this false prophet. Cuz the test of the false prophet or the true prophet, the test of the person who's genuine or not genuine, the test is always going to be the word of God. Okay. >> Well, this person speaking about Jesus, they're not leading me to away uh from God to a different God. They're not. So, the God they're leading you to is a powerless God. >> The Holy Spirit that comes with this God they're leading you to um does not leave you free, >> but leave you susceptible to panic attacks >> to being afraid, fearful, paranoid. Everybody's watching me. So those things happen and we don't know all of >> um what the devil's planning to do, how he's doing. We don't know everything he's doing and how he's going about doing it. >> We're just told a couple things as it relates to us and the devil. Two things, well, three things really. Uh not every spirit is of God. So how do we check it? With the word. True. >> So we got the word. >> We have drawing close to God and resisting the devil. Those three things we do. those three things. That's all he ever told us to do. So, I don't care. It doesn't matter. I'm not saying I don't care, but whatever's happening in your life, my life, whoever's life, Abednego's life, doesn't matter those three things. And if you do those three those three things, you never have a problem with demons ever. Dog gone, I should charge for that lesson I just gave to everybody. >> I'm kidding. >> Well, it's true, though, because God will take care of you. And so, it just comes down to being able to trust God. And you're very right. There's a lot of mental things that can happen where, you know, you might not have been susceptible, might even not even be the devil at all. It might be just the charisma of the leader. You get yourself in your feelings and you start having these senses and it's like you've opened yourself up to demonic attack because you're leaning on something other than God, going to something other than God. You might as well just not even not even bother with it because it's it's meant to distract you anyway. It's meant to take from like there's so many people that are obsessed with demons, they're not reading the Bible on what they want what God wants them to do with the day, >> you know? they're just they're just sitting there lost in prayers or whatever. So, it's like it's like you're very right to just stick with the word is probably the most important thing because because otherwise you're just getting off on what does God want from your life. It's obviously not to chase this thing around, you know? So, but I do think that that kind of shows where he's coming from where Abendigo is. Some of these experiences are real and even if they're not real, there's still a lot of mental stuff that goes on here. And so, that's where they get lost. That's where they get deceived. They might not even know they're in the wrong place. I I listened to some of his videos. I didn't think he was very wrong on some of the things he was saying um with a a lot of the things. And that's why I kind of just wanted to test you with my own experiences cuz it's like the reality of these things is is if if you kind of nudge them away, you don't talk about them, you kind of, you know, you kind of look like you're belittling them, which you weren't, but it's still good to it's still good to talk about you. You can't help the people that are going through these things. You know, this is what these people pray upon. This is what some of these charismatic leaders pray upon are these people who are having these genuine experiences and don't don't know one way or another what to think of them or what to do with them. And so you got to at least address it to a certain degree because it's still a reality that they need help with. >> So I always want to I I got to let you go so I can get to everyone else. But I always say this this and that's biblical. Um, I'm not going to lean on my own understanding, how I see things. So, I'm going to hold on to the word. I'm not going to trust my eyes, my lying eyes. I'm not going to trust my feelings. Feelings have gotten me and you and everyone else in trouble all along. And so, therefore, uh, I won't. Now, what I like to do when I talk to people is just, well, have you considered this? And someone can turn around and say, well, Corey, have you considered this? Well, yes, I have. Have you considered that? Now, with all that we're considering, what does the word say? Let's go back to the word and see how God addresses it. Well, but I just know my experience and I just know what I felt and I just know what I You're not going to tell me you're not going to convince me all these years I've been doing deliverance or all these years or I've had a demon. I have You're not You're not Okay, fine. Fine, fine. If you're saying no matter what we show you, you're not going to believe. Well, fine. Conversation's over. There's nothing I can do with you. But if we can have a conversation, if we can talk and look at the text together and let's just see, well, what does this mean? What is he saying here?