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The discussion centers on a fascinating psychological phenomenon regarding mate preferences and sexual behavior, specifically highlighting how removing the need for courtship or seduction alters human optimization strategies. When individuals are presented with sperm donor profiles where they do not have to be attracted to the person personally, their choices optimize strictly for genetic traits rather than physical chemistry. This concept is illustrated by a famous street interview study conducted by Clark Hatfield and colleagues at UCLA, which involved attractive men and women approaching random passersby on campus under sunny conditions. The researchers asked potential partners three escalating questions: going out on a date, coming up to their room, or having sex that night. The results of this split-test revealed stark gender differences in casual sexual interest once the barrier of initial attraction was removed. For the first question regarding a date, there was little difference between men and women, with roughly 50% saying yes regardless of gender. However, as the requests became more intimate, the disparity widened significantly; approximately 67% of men agreed to come up to their room compared to only about 6% of women. The gap exploded for the final question regarding sex that night, where 75% of men said "yes" while exactly 0% of women did so. This data suggests that when seduction is bypassed, men are far more likely than women to engage in casual sexual encounters based solely on genetic optimization rather than emotional connection or physical attraction. Beyond the raw numbers, the conversation delves into why the manner of refusal differed drastically between genders. Men who declined offers tended to be polite, often citing excuses like meeting a fiancé or asking for a rain check, indicating they were flattered by the attention despite saying no. In contrast, women's refusals were immediate and blunt, with many reacting as if the proposal was an insult rather than a compliment. The speakers attribute this difference partly to traditional gender roles where men are more likely to approach women, making such advances rare events that feel flattering to them, whereas women often have to push away unwanted attention due to higher physical risk from approaching strangers who may be physically stronger. Another critical factor influencing these reactions is the perceived disparity in "mate value" between the approacher and the approached individual. The transcript explains that if a woman perceives herself as highly attractive but approaches her with someone she views as significantly less desirable, it can feel like an insult to her self-perception rather than a compliment. Conversely, men often interpret such advances as proof of their own attractiveness, believing they have successfully overcome a woman's natural predisposition against approaching strangers without prior courtship. This dynamic highlights how social conditioning and safety concerns shape sexual behavior more profoundly when the context shifts from dating scenarios to anonymous street encounters. The dialogue concludes by emphasizing that these findings are not merely about biological drives but also reflect deep-seated evolutionary risks, particularly for women who face greater physical danger in casual interactions with unknown males. The speakers note that while men might view a successful approach as evidence of their own desirability, the reality involves complex calculations of safety and social standing. Ultimately, the study serves as a powerful example of how separating genetic selection from behavioral attraction reveals fundamental differences in human mating strategies, where women prioritize safety and long-term compatibility over casual optimization when courtship is absent.
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Have you seen I think it's Andrew Thomas
that did this study. Have you seen the
preferences
that women state when it comes to sperm
donors?
>> Yeah.
>> So this is fascinating cuz what's
interesting is when you run a
kind of a split test so you're able to
separate out certain motivations from
a behavior that people are typical with.
So
in order for you to do the I want to
have kids with this person, typically
you need to go through courtship phase
and get to know them and or even if it's
a one night stand be seduced by them.
>> Yeah.
>> But that means that you're optimizing
for two different things. You're not
just optimizing for the genes that your
kid gets, you're also optimizing for the
expression of traits that make you want
to get into bed with somebody. But if
you get rid of the seduction side of
this, all you're optimizing for is what
do I want my kids to have from a trait
perspective.
>> Yeah.
>> And that difference of when you get rid
of the need to actually be attracted to
somebody, and you can just optimize for
what do I want my kids to be like.
>> Yeah.
>> Kind of fascinating.
>> It's really fascinating, right? And and
just the same mate preferences emerge in
that context as emerge in an actual
interaction, social interactions.
>> Mhm.
There was that Clark Hatfield study as
well, right? The on street interview.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's the one where um
uh basically they got a bunch of good
looking guys, good looking girls to go
around
uh campus on a nice day, uh walk up to
random people on the campus and just
say, "Hello, how you doing? Um I've
noticed you around the place lately and
find you very attractive and I was just
wondering whether you wanted to dot dot
dot." And then they would finish that
sentence with one of three options.
Option number one was, "I was wondering
if you wanted to go out with me
tonight?"
Option number two was, "I was wondering
if you wanted to come up to my room?"
And option number three was, "I
wondering wondering if you wanted to go
to bed with me?"
And they got men to ask women, women to
ask men. And for the for the first first
question the go out with me question,
there in in the first study they did
there was basically no sex difference.
So it was about 50% 50/50 likelihood of
saying yes in both cases.
Other replication studies have found
that
it's not a huge difference, but that
actually men are more likely to say yes
than women are.
But then with the other two questions
the gaps get bigger and bigger. With
question number two,
which is would you want to come up to my
room?
Um
what was it? It was basically 67 In the
first study about 67% of men said yes.
So actually higher than the date rate.
>> [laughter]
>> More likely to go up to your room than
they are to go on a date with you.
>> Exactly.
>> Hilarious.
>> Uh with women on the other hand, it uh
sank down to I believe it was 6% said
yes to that.
Uh and then the gap was even bigger for
the last question, unsurprisingly. So
would you go to bed with me? 75% of men
said yes
uh to that offer. So at even higher rate
of men.
Whereas exactly 0% of women said yes to
the the kind offer. And not only that,
but actually the the manner of the
refusal differed between men and women.
So of the
25% of men who said thanks but no
thanks,
well, they kind of said that they were
like polite about it. And some of them
said I'm really sorry, I'm I'm meeting
my fiance or whatever. A bunch of them
even asked for a rain check, apparently.
They said I can't I'm not very busy or
meeting my fiance or whatever, but maybe
we could postpone the sex till later.
Whereas none of the women
who were refusing were polite about it
at all. They were more They were reacted
more like, are you crazy?
How how dare you ask me that? None of
them apologized and asked for a rain
check.
>> Why do you think that the manner of
refusal was so different?
>> Uh I think that it reveals well two
reasons. So one is there's this average
difference in interest in casual sex,
and because men are more interested in
it, they are more likely to be flattered
by the request
because men are much more likely to
approach women than vice versa.
Traditionally,
women are much more likely to get sick
of it and and have to
you know push guys away.
Whereas guys are much it's a rarer event
for them, so they are more likely to be
flattered and
and hugely grateful
on the rare occasions when it happens.
The other thing though
and the reason I think the difference is
quite so big is because it's it's not
just a reflection of sex differences in
interest in casual sex. I think also in
that situation
like like if a woman were to go off with
a guy that she doesn't know,
she's at a greater physical risk than if
a guy goes off with a woman that he
doesn't know.
So, the fact that the the difference was
massive is partly due to that as well.
>> Feels like a danger.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> of that emotional activation of hang on,
I'm going to go with this person who I
don't know, who is physically stronger
than me.
>> Yeah.
>> Explosion.
>> Exactly.
>> As opposed to there's just way less of a
It feels less of a physical threat to
me.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Does both me. Does both both make
complete sense. There's a
an interesting wrinkle in this now I'm
I'm going to guess that when they did
this the Clark Hatfield study, they must
have done some sort of rated assessment
of the attractiveness of the man or the
men versus the women to ensure that they
were similarly high in terms of physical
attractiveness.
>> Yeah.
>> Right?
>> Yeah.
>> So,
something that I learned that I think is
absolutely [ __ ] hilarious is one of
the reasons why women, and I presume men
would be too if women approached men at
the same rate, one of the reasons why
women
sometimes quite rude when guys come up
to them is if they feel like there's too
big of a disparity in mate value between
them and the person doing it. Because
they go
Hang on.
You think that you've got a chance with
me?
Oh my god, it's basically an insult.
It's essentially an insult. If you as a
woman think that you're an eight, nobody
thinks like this. It's on the Whatever
podcast.
You as a woman think that you're an
eight.
And a guy that you think is a three
comes up to you. That is
It tests your own self-perception. And
you go, [ __ ] maybe this is how the
world sees me.
Yeah, as well.
Yeah, and I think that that
it feels like an insult. And the same
thing like, [ __ ] no, get away because
rightly so you're kind of pissed that
this thing happened.
Yeah.
Well, preference for casual sex Yeah.
rarer
approach in any case. Um and because
women are less likely to approach, I
think that most guys would actually see
it as closer to, you know what? I'm so
good-looking that I got that girl to
overcome
her non-approach predisposition. Yeah.
That's the power of my attractiveness.
[laughter] I think that's I think that's
how a lot of guys would take it and I
think that's why it is it is flattering.
It's like
somebody running for a bus fast that
they really, really want. You're like,
well, he must really want this bus cuz
look at how fast they're going.
And guys tend to be more overconfident
than women.
Yeah.
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