7 Wildly Successful People Who Struggle with Mental Health

Hey everybody, May is mental health awareness month and that is something that we believe is critically important and we want everyone watching to know first and foremost no matter what type of mental health issues you may be dealing with or somebody that you know and love may be dealing with, you are not alone. Whether it is depression, anxiety, addiction, etc. It is nearly universal that somebody is themselves or knows somebody that is struggling with this and it is very sad that it's not something that more people talk about openly but we've put together a very special show for you guys today of just the incredible people that we've had on the show that have talked openly about some of their own struggles. So hopefully in watching this you will see that not only can it be treated but it's something that you can get to the other side of and be stronger for. So without further ado, check out the show. Within this context, so obviously seek help is first and foremost but beyond that what what does that rebuilding process look like for somebody who's trapped in depression and suicidal thoughts? Yeah. Um I've been there a lot in my life. Uh especially before my car accident in my teenage years. Uh then the first woman I ever loved we had a big breakup and that breakup sent me down in depression and suicidal planning. And uh it's tough to dispense advice to people other than get help and I'll share why because that time in my life I had so many people coming up to me you know, my friends would come into my dorm room and be like, "Brennan, let's go do something." And you just there's just the the hope is lost. And what people I think make the mistake of trying to do is hype people up. "Everything's going to be okay. You're going to be great." And what people need who are suicidal is serious psychological intervention. They need to seek support and help. And outside of that, when they do get that support, the first thing a great therapist is going to do outside of the emotional reflection work of why are you here and what has caused this sort of pattern for you, they're going to get you a starting to get some momentum. The most important thing is when you are super down, outside of finding that emotional reasoning for where you are, is to start getting momentum. Cuz with momentum comes hope. With momentum comes motivation. With momentum comes you know, that feeling that there's a reason for tomorrow. And so it's as simple as just saying, "Okay, what are three things I'm going to do today?" And I don't mean that like a lot of personal development guys would say like, "What are your three big GOALS FOR THE DAY?" I'M LIKE, "DUDE, sometimes that first goal is shh, I'm going to shower today." I'm really going to shower today. Uh I'm going to walk to the library. I'm come home. And that's all I got. Like literally, that's all I got. And you got to honor that struggle when you're in that place. Like know that where you're at, it is okay that you're there. And now you're going to need help. And now you're going to have to set up some daily practices. Just every day win a little bit. Not like win your dreams. Not like crush through goals. Not like be badass. Not like No. Just momentum, man. You know, I most of the guys I've dealt with in that position who were suicidal, um outside of their therapeutic work, I said, "The most important thing you can do is win the morning." Just win the morning, man. I think that's true for all of us, even high performers. Like I I don't have my morning routine game, I I feel, you know, out of sorts. Um so I think it's true for everybody. You got to own your morning, you got to win it because that starts and sets up everything else. I know you you believe that as well. Like people need that discipline, those routines that will help the rest of their day go better. Um, and I don't want to ever be flippant with the advice to people who are dealing with that situation outside of get some help, get some momentum, and be okay if that momentum is really small. Because it will build. Trust that that momentum builds and trust those gloomy and bad dark days. Trust that those are going to be there. They'll get less and less and less as you learn how to cope, but they're going to be there. And so when they're there, it's when the my I mean, outside of teaching people to bring the joy in my life, I teach people to honor the struggle. Honor the difficulty. When we honor the struggle instead of hate the struggle, we can really achieve extraordinary things because our mindset's in the right place. It accept like as soon as you honor the struggle, you accept that, "Oh, of course, there should be struggle here. I should I should honor this process." When you go to the gym to work out, you like honor that this is going to be hard and it honor that process of getting better. And the more that you bring honor to it, the more your psyche builds with strength and you get a little bit of that esteem back. Because you see yourself engaging something versus avoiding it and running away. You see yourself connecting with something and giving it reverence. You like like I have reverence for the difficulties of life. They made me better. So I I don't want a friction-free life. I'm not interested in it. You know, the the the I I like to say sometimes that, you know, the journey to greatness begins the moment that our, you know, deep desires for comfort and ease are overpowered by our desires to connect and contribute. Let's talk about mental health and it features pretty prominently in in your book and certainly in what you've had to go through. And by the way, your honesty and vulnerability in the book are amazing and I think that they I can only imagine and for anybody that hasn't read the book, they really don't understand what we're talking about. Um you were really honest. Like you did not try to paint yourself as like, "Hey, I'm a stud. Look at me." Like it was such a warts and all biography. Absolutely love that part of it. Amazing and I'm I've got to imagine people reach out to you routinely to say that thank you for that and it's Yeah, I didn't know how people going to react to it. I mean, I had all these people that followed me from Dancing with the Stars that loved me and when the book hit the shelves, I was terrified. I was like, "All these people are going to see a side of me that they have not seen and they're going to hate me." And it has been a positive response because I was very open and honest. That's incredible. So, I can imagine the kind of audience that you would build off of Dancing with the Stars. Um sort of very much like sort of right down the middle. Um and some of the like behaviors that you had when you were angry were like it's sort of the aggressive [ __ ] You know what I mean? So, for you to like put it out there and be like, "Let me walk you through what I was thinking so that you understand like I'm not justifying this. I'm just telling you it's real." Yeah. And I was like, "God, like I'm so defenseless." And which made me feel super connected to you and to walk through that. But then it got me thinking like, "What is that rebuilding process?" So, you've helped us see your journey, but I just I was like, "What would he say like if somebody came up to that was in this situation? What would he do? If it's a soldier, what would he do? If somebody's depressed, but they're not a soldier." Like having gone through it and having been so real, open and honest about what that process looks like, how do we and give it to me in two ways. How do we systematically address the problem and we'll just say of veterans going through it? And then on sort of one off on a one-to-one, what does that look like? Well, I think what needs to happen, I think that we've come a long way with mental health. But we have a long way to go. And what needs to happen is Where would you say how far have we come? When you say we've come a long way? Well, we we we acknowledge it. Okay. We acknowledge And we didn't used to, which I would agree cuz you I look at veterans in the past, it was you know, I think in World War II was called shell shock. It was all these different things, but it was not acknowledged in the way that it is now, but I think it needs to be talked about more. Okay. I think the more things are talked about, the more comfortable we are, and the more we can understand them. Uh when I woke up one morning and saw that in a tweet that Prince Harry came out talking about his depression, it made me really happy. Because I've been places and someone has said, "Well, you lost an arm and a leg, so you had a right to be depressed." And I stopped them. I was like, "Depression is real. You don't You don't even have to go through something traumatic. Some are caused by, you know, something traumatic. Some can be a a chemical imbalance in the brain. And I feel like if you had heart problems and saw a cardiologist, well everyone would be concerned about you. You would know you're doing better, and it would be open and honest with the crew, anybody you work with. weird. No, it's not weird. But the most complicated organ in your body, if you have a problem with it, suddenly there's a we don't want to talk about that? No, and you can get over it. And that's what people need to realize. You can be cured. You can get past it. That's what we need to need to realize. You know, the reason I did it is because when I was in my depression, I thought I was alone. I didn't open up to anybody. So I thought someone's going to read this and it's going to help them. So I just as nervous as I was about the book, I kept thinking that one person's going to read it. Well, now it's opened up this dialogue, and I'll go and I'll speak, and we'll do Q&A, and people want to talk about I gave a speech in Florida, and it was it was an older crowd. And it was like I was going to say it was they were old. And I I speak with so heart. Mhm. And I gave my speech and as I was closing I kind of mentioned some depression. Cuz I was I was coming out of the winter months and I had hit me again this past winter and I went and saw the doctor and so it was on my mind and it came up and as I was saying I thought this generation of people probably aren't connecting to what I'm saying. When I walked off the stage and they lined up, the amount of people that thanked me for talking about mental health. And here I was I thought they didn't want to hear I thought I was stepping out of line. No, it needs to be talked about because it's it's not just this generation, it's people are realizing more and more that it's an issue and the more we talk about it the easier it is for people to be honest with themselves and get the help they need. You went through a decade of depression where you were oriented in an entirely different way. How did you find your way out of that? I was 24. I remember the day my brain broke. I remember the day I I started depression and I would lay in my bed and just want to die. I just I didn't want to exist. I wanted an anesthesiologist to come and give me a shot so like my soul would just and um at the time I was in a belief system where there was an afterlife. And so that was impossible. You couldn't get you couldn't be gone. You were around forever. No matter what you did. And in fact if you took your life you would you're not behaving in a way that this belief system and you know reward you. And so I was trapped in existence. And it was the worst feeling in the entire world cuz I had no out. But not only that I had kids and so I had a you know like I felt responsible for being a father. And so I was building Braintree and uh you know I had challenges at home with my significant other and I had kids who weren't sleeping. I wasn't sleeping myself, working 24/7, having companies break, and like all the pressure. And it just drove me into the ground to a point I just I was just delirious. I mean, I was I was broke. And um so um I climbed in Mount Kilimanjaro at the tail end of the situation and um I got sick. I got a the stomach virus. And like three or four days in I had the virus for a couple days, plus I was out I was sick with altitude sickness. And I just felt terrible, like the worst I've ever felt. And we got to base camp and they were 15,000 something and yeah, I had to make a decision where I was going to climb to the top the next morning. And I thought let's do it. Like uh I'm not going to back down from this. And so I did it and um the that 4 hours to summit changed my life. Where um the mountain became my problem. And it became a representation of my life and um I thought I'd listen to uh Eminem, my favorite artist. And um his um his defiance against uh problems. Anyways, I um made it to the top and I just broke down and cried. And it was like uh it was the mountain was my depression. It was my marriage. Um It was my belief system. And um I went home and I was changed. Um I sold I I sold my company shortly after Braintree. I got a divorce. I left my religion. And I was back at my 21-year-old age and I said, "Who am I? Like, what How do I rewrite myself from scratch? What I care about, what matters, what exists, what's true, what's not true? All of How did you rebuild yourself? Like, what is that process of answering those questions? Everything I'm doing now is the answer. So, the Mormonism, you know, it it still is the best story I've ever heard and been told. It's like, if you obey these rules, you get an unbelievably awesome afterlife. It's just like the anything It's the best you could ever imagine and more. In fact, you can't even imagine it, it's so awesome, is what I'm told. And all you have to do is obey the rules. It's like, super clean. I get that. And when that was taken away from me, it's like, well, okay, so if there's not an afterlife, or is there an afterlife? I don't know. What do I do? And that's why infinite games is the only thing that makes sense to me is I grew up with this idea that I could continue to play games forever. I want to play games forever. So, I have a belief that human potential is nearly limitless. Now, why do I throw in nearly limitless? I do it partly to because I'm holding competing ideas in my head. On the one hand, I believe human potential is completely limitless. And then on the other hand, I know if I step off the roof, I'm going to fall and break something. Right. Right? So, it's like, and how you reconcile those two things, it's it it like you for me that causes tremendous uh, anxiety. Really? Well, because I figure as long as we're young and healthy and we take care of our physical hardware, we get enough sleep, we exercise, we eat well, we can more or less take our our physiola- our physiology for granted. Um, and you know, I've thankfully I'm very healthy, but I've experienced health scares in my life. Mostly self-created, you know, some- something happened and then I assumed it was the worst, but I can tell you that in the midst of a panic attack, of a true ontological terror, it doesn't matter if you think you're dying or if you think you're going crazy, it's the same thing. Right. You're losing your grip. Right. You're losing your grip even on your own stabilized identity, and I'm working on some videos on the subject because I think I think mental health, you know, depression and anxiety in this country are chronic. Mhm. In the world, it's one of the most diagnosed illnesses now in the world, like more than physical illnesses. Like really, like we have science, we have vaccines, people living longer, healthier, but they're [ __ ] depressed and anxious. And and we have not good systems, I think, to fill our holes. Yeah, it's so interesting. So, one of the driving forces behind founding the company was So, cuz people were like, "Wait, why are you changing, you know, your mission from Quest? Like this whole new thing." And to me, it's not it's not a different mission. So, at Quest, what we were trying to do was wellness, right? So, now you can get hyper-focused and say, "What's the tactic we're using?" And the tactic there was um to end metabolic disease. But at the end of the at the end of the day for me, and I'm speaking for myself, I don't not for my partners, we were, you know, sort of focused on very different things, but for me, it was there were people in my life that I loved, and they were very unhappy, profoundly unhappy. Yeah. And playing the no [ __ ] "What would it take?" game, I knew the answer was, you know, my sister was clinically depressed, to help her, she had to get in better shape because she, you know, was in this vicious cycle of food [ __ ] a negative self-body image. The only thing that gave her comfort was food, and that gave her a more negative body image, made her feel like she had no willpower, and all that. And so, she just super destructive. So, by giving her food that she could choose based on taste and it having to be good for her, it got her going in the opposite direction. She started to feel better, look better. She was making one simple choice, eat this bar instead of a, you know, bag of M&M's or whatever. And so, it got her going, helped build confidence, all that. Um it was really, really incredible, but it was it was about wellness. It was about wanting to see my sister happy, right? So, the the other side of the coin was always mental happiness. And I believe that we're living through two pandemics right now. Pandemic one is the pandemic of the body. It's very easy to see. People are morbidly obese, super visible. When somebody dies of diabetes, it's crazy. They're literally burning alive from the inside out. It starts with the extremities. They start, you know, cutting off toes, then foot, leg, and you know, and and then you're gone. And so, it's so visible, whereas mental illness on the other hand, the pandemic of the mind, is invisible. Agreed. I mean, there's a Sam Harris, who is also brilliant and I've consulted with on this topic, says, "Why are we so concerned with the story?" Look, the brain is wired to tell stories. So, when you're physically uncomfortable, it will tell a story it will that that discomfort will inform the story and give it a negative tinge. You know, sometimes I feel anxious and when I realize I just have to pee. And I was like creating this whole story. Um and one of the things he said is that you think of anxiety just as a peculiar sensation, like when you have an itch. When you have an itch, you you know, you scratch it if you can, and if you can't, you just like let the sensation pass. And he says, "Try to do the same thing when you're feeling anxious." You know, mindfulness meditators talk about that. You okay, just let it come in. Don't resist it. You can just feel it. Breathe through it. And if you don't allow it to like hijack you, it will just pass like just another sensation. Dude, that's really interesting. So, I'll give you one of my anxiety triggers, being cold. So, anybody that knows me knows I'm like freaky about being cold. I do not like to be cold. The reason I don't like to be cold is the physiological response to cold is exactly the same that I get anyway when I'm anxious. Well, there's I feel like um slightly shivery. Like so, if I'm super warm but anxious, I'll feel that same sense of being shivery. So, getting cold makes me feel like I'm really anxious about something. So, I'm like, "The fuck?" Mhm. But, that analogy is very helpful. I will begin employing it immediately. Yeah. So, first of all, I literally have struggled with anxiety my entire life. And anxiety for this conversation, the way I define it, is it is the habit of worrying spiraled out of control. You know, you may say that you are a worrier, that's not true. You have a habit of worrying. A habit is a pattern of behavior or thinking that you repeat without realizing it. So, anxiety happens when that pattern of worrying about things spirals out of control and now it starts to marry and manifest itself with physical sensations, too. That's all that it is. I know that I say that's all that it is. Well, me personally, I struggled with anxiety uh I think my entire life. It became quite acute when I was in my late teens and early 20s. I became medicated in the middle of law school. I took Zoloft for two decades. When our first daughter was born, who is now 17, the postpartum depression and the cascading panic was so terrible that not only was I medicated and couldn't breastfeed, but I couldn't be left alone with her. Wow. So, when I say you can cure yourself of anxiety, I don't say that lightly. Mhm. Four years ago, after I had been using the five-second rule to change my behavior, how I spoke to my husband, how I negotiate in business meetings, how I conduct sales, the kind of parent that I am, my health habits, my eating habits, curbing the drinking. Um I thought I wonder if I can use this 5-4-3-2-1 thing to get control of my thought patterns. Not my behavior patterns, my thought patterns. Yes, you can. So we're going to we're going to build this conversation cuz I want to start with something we can all uh relate to, and that is how do you stop worrying and how do you stop listening to self-doubt? This is how you're going to do it. So all day long you're going to have moments where your thoughts drift, and I use that word on purpose. Because for me, there is a physical sensation when you start to use the 5-second rule and you start to wake up not only on time in the morning, but you wake up to your life and the opportunities in your life. There's your thoughts drift. Like you'll just be hanging out with your friends, and then suddenly you're like, "I'm not sure that that person likes me anymore. You know, I haven't heard from my kids lately. I wonder if they're dead or you know, oh, you know, I should check like you just start worrying about stuff." Why? Because it's a habit. Because when you're not paying attention, your brain shifts from you being a decision-maker and paying attention to you just kind of spinning things on autopilot, and one of your habits is worrying. The second you wake up and you notice, "Holy cow, I'm talking some negative garbage to myself right now." 5-4-3-2-1. You've just shifted the part of the brain that you're using. You've shifted from the basal ganglia, which is where your habit loops are spinning, and you've awakened your prefrontal cortex. You've also interrupted that pattern. Now what you're going to do, because your mind is actually ready to receive a different thought because of the counting. Now you can put in an anchor thought. Like if you have a mantra, if you've got a vision about the way that your business is going to turn out in 5 years, if you just have a thought that makes you really happy and proud, insert that. Now, why does this work? It works because of the counting. And I'm not kidding. We know, based on research, that positive thinking alone not effective. In some instances, trying to force yourself to think positive can actually make the worries worse. Why? Well, the reason why is because it's really hard to just change the channel. What we have to do first is basically interrupt it and turn off the TV and then turn it back on with the prefrontal cortex awakened. So, the counting is essential. And so, you can start using this today. You catch yourself talking garbage to yourself? Because we all know, if I were to put a speaker on your head and broadcast, you'd be sitting here in the audience, you'd be in an insane asylum, because the crap that you say to yourself is insane. And the problem is we listen to it. You'll be you'll be in a sales meeting and you'll be undermining yourself. They're not going to buy. Oh my gosh, I'm in trouble. You're not even present. 5 4 3 2 1, switch it back. Get back to that vision that you have about toasting your success or this customer being really happy or you being proud of yourself. Whatever that vision may be, you can control your thoughts and this is not just us talking about it. This is a tool that you can use. So, let's take it a step further. So, worrying if you let it go unchecked, what will happen is you will get used to worrying. You will get used to living in a state where you're slightly agitated all the time. Let me talk a little bit about agitation. So, what we know, based on research, is that physically, in your body, so physiologically, being excited is the exact same thing as being afraid. Let me say that again, cuz it is so important. In your body, being excited is the exact same thing as being afraid. Your body doesn't know the damn difference. Your heart races, your armpits sweat, you're like, you know, you may get tight in your throat. You may eat your cheeks may get pink like my do when I get excited. The only difference between excitement and fear is what your brain says. And the problem is if you have a habit of worrying, guess what you're going to tell yourself is going on. That you're that you're like freaking out. That you're not excited, that something must be wrong. Oh gosh, why would you say something's wrong? Cuz you got to have it to say that all the time. Even as I became a a speaker for a living or I'd be on CNN, when I first started doing it, I would be freaking out backstage. But even even though like, you know, just a couple just last week, you standing backstage about to go on, 8,000 people, heart races, armpits sweat, you know, my hands get clammy. I'm not nervous though. Not at all. I'm excited. And so I developed this technique and research out of Harvard, not based on my technique, but something very similar, proves that if you basically right before you're about to do something, take a test, run a race, public speaking, a business negotiation, ask somebody to marry you, whatever it may be that get your heart racing, just do this. Go, I'm excited. I'm excited to give that speech. I'm excited to ask him or her. I'm excited to do this race. I'm excited. Because what happens is you give your brain context, so your brain doesn't escalate the stuff going on in your body. Your brain's not worried. Make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can combine this with the five-second rule. So we know how to do worrying. You catch you catch your thoughts drift, 5-4-3-2-1, anchor thought. If you start to feel your heart racing, 5-4-3-2-1 to awaken the prefrontal cortex, and then start going, I'm really excited to do this. I'm really excited to do this. Another technique that you can use is ask, um, I think they call it interrogatory questions, where instead of giving yourself a pep talk, say, "Well, why am I ready to do this? Why am I ready?" Because that'll force you to answer the question, which then convinces you. So, why am I ready to close the sale? Why am I ready to give this speech? Why am I ready? So, those are two strategies that you can use back by science that are proven to actually make your performance be much better. When I found out that I was adopted, what was happening was I started drinking again. And in my mind, I tried to rationalize and say, "I'm drinking again because I have I'm celebrating the new found part of my identity." Uh-huh. Which was, you know, I'm trying to come up with some excuse to drink again. And that was going on for probably like my wife knew I was drinking, Eric knew I was drinking, everybody around me knew I was drinking, but it wasn't until about I would say 8 months when it started drinking started getting out of hand. And you know, my wife finally she finally confronted me. I love women cuz they're so perceptive. She looked at me and she said this to me. She said, "Motherfucker, you [ __ ] drinking cuz you can't handle the [ __ ] fact that you just found out that you was adopted." Wow. And I tried to deny that. But she was 100% right. The rehab thing allowed me to see what I was doing. And then it allowed me to see why I was doing it. And then it made me discover well, I'm obsessive-compulsive disorders and this and that and anxiety and it made me realize that when I first started drinking, it's because I thought it I needed help to be who I was trying to be with Run-DMC. And the reason why I say that is because when I went through rehab, now that I'm sober, the things that made me feel good, I was able to see and feel again. Like, people think they need stuff. I realized all you need to do is feel good about who you are, but I'm talking about really just feeling good. When you feel good, everything comes to you. There's a lot of ways to get help. I picked therapy, talk therapy, and there's a lot of different types of talk therapy. I ended up going with psychoanalysis, which is just a very specific type of it. And I spent 4 years in analysis going 4 days a week. What was motivating that? Was it a positive feeling of I have the sense that I can get better, or was it like this hurts so much, I just need something? It It was It was That's a great question. So, for me, what my my my analysis was very much about I mean, like I I was just in denial for a long time about like um It's not that I denied that my parents were like I intellectually understood I I I saw them clearly for who they were. I didn't connect to the emotion of it, right? Like, I refused to accept that I was scared or lonely or sad. Um I mean, I even intellectually I would, but emotionally I wouldn't connect with that, right? The difference between me now and me, let's say, 10 years ago in this realm is that now it emotions don't go away, right? So, anyone who tells you that they have a way for you to control your emotions or get rid of your emotions is either lying to themselves or lying to you and trying to sell you something. So, it's not that any of this [ __ ] goes away. It's that now I recognize it. Like like I I I recognize the feeling, I accept that it's there, and I can like not let it overwhelm me or let it control me without understanding. For most people, the only way you can get past this stuff is to bring it out, let it let it have its voice. Then I'm a father, right? I have a 3-year-old son, Bishop. And um this happened like 4 months ago. I'll never forget it. So, something I Bishop knocked over a glass or something, whatever. He spilled something. He's three. And and I kind of like, you know, I was having a bad day and I was in a bad mood. I kind of snapped and I'm like, "Bishop, what are you Why did you do that? What are you doing? Be careful." Like really almost exactly like that tenor, right? And like it I didn't it didn't even occur to me that I was snapping or being mean or whatever. I was just like talking, you know, you react whatever reacting. But I looked at his face. And that kid's face, man, it looked like I had stabbed him in the chest with a knife. Like it he was crestfallen, like broken. And I remember looking right at him and and understand in a flash understanding I had done to him what my dad did to me. And at that moment I had a choice to make about the type of man and the type of father I was going to be. Like either I could rationalize well, you know, like he deserved it or I needed he needs to toughen up or I could rationalize this, or I could accept that I had hurt this kid, my son, and I had done it the unintentionally intentionally doesn't matter. I had done it. And that um I had to accept it and then uh deal with it, right? Deal with the fact that I had done this. And and of course, thank God I went through therapy, right? Because I was able to see it in the moment and understand in the moment what I had done and accept it and then deal with it. And dealing with it is actually pretty easy if you'll accept that, right? Uh but it was really painful. I mean you could like it's still painful to think about the fact that I did like I did it. There's no way to undo this. But, you know, I picked him up. I said, "Oh, buddy, come here. Are you Are you sad?" He's like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Okay. Why are you sad?" And he's like, "I you know, I don't know." He's I'm like, "Are you sad cuz daddy yelled at you?" He's like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Okay, well, you know, daddies make mistakes, too. Daddy shouldn't yell, should he?" No. But daddy makes mistakes and what do we do when we make mistakes? We say we're sorry and we clean it up. I'm like, "Okay, well, daddy's saying sorry to you, okay? Cuz daddy shouldn't yell. Daddy made a mistake and daddy's sorry. So, let's give me a hug and now clean it up, right?" And like um I don't know. Like that was to me like uh if there's a happy ending, that's a happy ending, right? That's what therapy taught me. And if you had to boil down so that particular thing to me from the outside, it sounds like ownership is is the key there. Ownership of of yourself and your emotions and your a desire to seek and to feel the painful truth, not just intellectually recognize. The truth in therapy is about connecting with the emotions you are running from and feeling them, no matter how painful or awful they are because almost certainly they're awful and painful to you. Otherwise, you wouldn't run from them. Like you don't run away from happiness, right? It's not like, "Oh, remember that great memory?" No, no, put that away. Hide that. No, no, no, that's not the problem. It's the painful stuff. All right, guys. I hope that added a ton of value to you. This was something that was really important for us to put together because one big fear of mine is that people are out there suffering in silence from depression, having suicidal thoughts. And if you're having suicidal thoughts and you're not getting treatment, you are literally playing with your life. So, from me to you, please reach out, get the help that you need, get the help that you deserve. There's absolutely no weakness in reaching out for help. In fact, I will say that it's one of the strongest and bravest things you could do. All right, guys. Until next time, be legendary. Take care. Hey everybody, thanks so much for joining us for another episode of Impact Theory. If this content is adding value to your life, our one ask is that you go to iTunes and Stitcher and rate and review. Not only does that help us build this community, which at the end of the day is all we care about, but it also helps us get even more amazing guests on here to show their knowledge with all of us. Thank you guys so much for being a part of this community, and until next time, be legendary, my friends.