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In this Q&A episode, Chris Williamson announces his upcoming North American tour scheduled for October through December 2024, noting that major stops in Toronto, Los Angeles, Nashville, and Vancouver have sold out while tickets remain available for New York on October 23rd, Boston on November 13th, Chicago on November 14th, Austin on November 20th, Salt Lake City on December 4th, and Denver on December 5th. The event will feature a solo one-and-a-half-hour show followed by a Q&A session and meet-and-greet. Williamson also addresses his recent change in hairstyle after five years of maintaining a skin head; he explains that for men with curly hair, the options are essentially limited to shaving it off (which he calls the "broccoli haircut"), growing an afro, or keeping short sides with long tops. He expresses relief at finally having length on top again and invites suggestions but notes there is little room for alternative styles given his curl pattern. On the topic of procrastination, Williamson identifies two primary causes: not knowing what to do next and not knowing how to execute a task. To combat this, he advises breaking large projects into tiny, manageable action steps—such as brainstorming podcast names or researching hosting platforms—and utilizing resources like ChatGPT for research or hiring tutors when necessary. He also recommends establishing rigid routines around sleep, walking, and gym attendance to counteract the effects of high stress levels that can lead to being "tired but wired." Williamson shares his own medical journey involving an 18-month illness exacerbated by Lyme disease, mold exposure, EBV, CMV, heavy metals, and other infections. He highlights a recent hemohypoxia (HHO) treatment in Vienna as the most significant step toward recovery, though he notes that energy levels remain low due to immune system overload from multiple dysregulations. Looking ahead content-wise for Modern Wisdom, Williamson plans to pivot away from his long-standing interview-only format by incorporating more "hang-style" multi-guest episodes and solo reflection pieces alongside traditional interviews. He aims to bring a lighter, more energetic vibe reminiscent of podcasts like *All-In* or *Flagrant*, moving beyond the feeling that some recent episodes have become academic homework. Additionally, he discusses his next Infinity Gauntlet list of desired guests after finally securing Joe Rogan for episode 1000, with Lewis Kapaldi and Denzel Washington already high on his priority list. He also addresses relationship dynamics, advising men who want to commit but are told their partner wants to take things "day by day" that this often signals incompatibility rather than a flaw in them; he suggests setting deadlines for commitment because it is easier to find someone aligned with one's pace than to constantly negotiate differences. Williamson further explores the male sedation hypothesis, proposing that modern distractions like porn and video games provide enough dopamine to keep men from becoming dangerous but also render them socially useless by suppressing their drive to pursue mates or goals. He argues this makes society perceive men as less threatening and useful simultaneously. On personal growth topics, he shares his reading lists available at chriswilson.com/morebooks, including fiction-heavy selections in the second list of 100 books before you die. He also responds to questions about being a "dino" (a British slang term for working-class guys with veneers and fake tans), naming children after cities like Athens or Paris, overcoming rejection from users who ghost them by recognizing it as bad partner choice rather than personal failure, reconciling attraction to other women while in committed relationships through understanding male brain wiring, and the benefits of traveling alone to gain new perspectives. He confirms he has frozen his sperm and is undergoing varicocele surgery soon before starting a family later this year or next.
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What's happening people? Welcome back to
the show. It is a 3.7
million subscriber Q&A episode. Before
we get into this one, I'm going on tour
this October, November, and December.
I'm going on tour around all of North
America, Canada as well, and tickets
sold out for lots of places. So, Toronto
sold out, LA sold out, Nashville sold
out, and Vancouver sold out. But there
are still tickets available for New York
at the Town Hall on Thursday, October
23rd. For Boston at the Wilbur on
Thursday, November 13th, Chicago at the
Vic on Friday, November 14th. Nashville
is sold out. Austin, the Paramount
Theater, Thursday, November 20th. That's
the adopted hometown show. Salt Lake
City at the Complex, Thursday, December
4th. Denver at the Paramount Theater,
Friday, December 5th. All of those have
still got limited tickets available and
you can get yours now at
chriswillson.live.
You can come and see me. It's a solo
live show. Me on stage for an hour and a
half and then there's a Q&A at the end
and there's a meet and greet afterward
and this sold out in Australia and in
London last year and it's really good
and I'm never going to run this show
again. So after this particular tour is
done, the self-discovery show is going
to be bin for the rest of time. So if
you want to come and see me live, Chris
Williamson.Life.
All right, let's get into asking and
answering some questions. Insiders 22,
what's going on with the hair? Yes, fair
question. Uh, I've got a lot of comments
about this. In the last 5 years since I
had this hair, which is the hair I had 5
years ago, go back to like pre early co.
This is the hair that I had for a
decade. uh to now it's kind of someone
with curly hair that's short on the
sides has taken on an entire new meme
meaning all of its own. Mark Zuckerberg
hasn't helped in that regard. It's like
the broccoli hair cut. You have to
understand that if you're a person with
curly hair, if you're a guy with curly
hair like me, you have three hairstyle
options, right? You can have skin head,
which I did for the last 5 years since
co my co hair haircut haircut just
extended. You can have short on the
sides, long on the top, or some version
of mullet, right? Still short on the
sides and long elsewhere, which ends up
kind of looking like this. Or you can
grow afro. Those are the three options.
Skin head, like newly like nomenclatured
broccoli haircut, and afro. Those are
the only three options. And I was kind
of sick of the skin head thing. I'd done
it for so long. And uh I quite like
having hair for the first time in half a
decade. And I mean Dean can put up a
selection of the different hairstyles
that he's known me with since we've been
friends for like two decades now. And uh
I've to say that this is the most
extreme thing I've ever done would be
incorrect. Had an afro for very long
time. Had this haircut, grew a massive
beard, grew like twirly handlebar
mustaches. I've cycled through lux. I've
just been really stable since co or
unstable mentally, but stable at least
in terms of my hair. Uh, so that's
what's going on with it. And um, if
someone wants to propose an alternative
haircut, I am open to suggestions, but
there's not that much that you can do
with curly hair. Shave it off. Grow it
in some areas and grow it everywhere.
And the grow it everywhere is not an
option. And the shave it off thing I
just did. So that's what's going on.
Case closed. Thank you, your honor.
Roilano,
how to deal with procrastination. Do you
ever have to deal with it? I mean, I
don't know what human doesn't. Yes, I
do. All the time I sit down at my desk
and look at whatever I'm supposed to be
doing and maybe not even know what I'm
supposed to be doing and just think that
there's work to be done and tasks to be
completed and not like scroll Instagram,
watch YouTube, [ __ ] about, like be on my
phone, like just not do the thing I'm
supposed to. Oh, I'll get up and go for
a walk. Oh, I'll go and like rearrange
the sauces in the cupboards. Like,
anything to not do the work that you're
supposed to be doing. And
uh there's people that are way more
scientific than me. At least the things
that I found for me, procrastination
primarily comes from two places. First
is you don't know what to do. And the
second is you don't know how to do it.
Um the first one's real easy to fix,
right? Um you are building a podcast,
right? You're you're going to launch
your first podcast, but you don't launch
a podcast. you do a series of really
tiny next actions that then eventually
result in a podcast being launched. So
when you say, "I'm going to sit down
today and move myself closer to
launching my podcast." Okay, what is
that? Like what are you going to do? You
don't know what to do. You can't do it.
So you go, I need to break down this big
project into action steps. Okay, I need
to uh do brainstorming for the name. Ah,
hooray. There we go. That's a t I can do
that. You can't launch a podcast, but
you can come up with a name. And then I
need to work out who I'm going to use
for hosting. So, I need to research
hosting platforms and make decision and
sign up with credit card. Okay, that's
the next thing to uh go on chat GPT and
make artwork for all the graphic artists
are [ __ ] tearing the hair out. You
know what I mean? Like you do those. So,
that's the first thing. Second thing is
you know what to do, but you don't know
how to do it. And then it's just a case
of research on the internet, chat GPT,
get a tutor, whatever. And those really
for me are the two biggest roadblocks.
And when I'm whining about
procrastinating or berating myself for
not getting things done and wasting my
time, it's usually because of one of
those two things. So that's how I deal
with it.
Avery Christensen, what shorts do you
wear? I live in one of two pairs of
shorts. Uh these
those uh Gym Shark Heritage 5 in shorts
are
phenomenal. Out of focus. Hello again.
Uh they are the they're by far the best
uh sort of travel shorts just dayto-day.
They're so comfy. I I I love them. And
they've got these new ones with sort of
a raw hem edge which are really nice. I
think they're called the Heritage 5 in.
Uh, and then for training I use what
they call their hybrid shorts. Gym
Sharks hybrid shorts. And that's it.
Like two pairs of shorts. That's all I
need. And um I've been around the world
in them. There's loads of different
colors. They're super comfy. They're
like 25 bucks maybe or 30 bucks. They
last forever. They're easy to wash and
dry. They don't take up much room.
They're like the fact that guys get to
wear shorts is kind of a bit of a hack.
Um, that's it. Those two. And
gym.shmodwisdom.
shmodern
wisdom I think gets you access to the
page of all of my all the clothes that I
wear from them. Uh gonna get in trouble
from Gym Shark for this but barbell
apparel have got some really awesome
swim shorts. Uh I really love their swim
shorts and that's it. That's like my
entire wardrobe.
Colin de Jong love the under oath
episode. Thank you. When are we going to
see more musical guests? Bare Tooth. Uh,
I was with Caleb at Summer of Loud only
a few weeks ago and I he's kind of balls
deep in new music writing at the moment
after Summer of Loud finishes. He'll
100% be coming on. Uh, I am going real
hard on the music thing. Uh,
if you could see the list, my wish list
of people to speak to, uh, it's really
cool and if you're into alternative and
heavy music or country, uh, we should
have some really cool people before the
end of the year. and I'm pushing super
hard. I loved that conversation with the
guys from Androth. I thought it was
phenomenal and we're making some changes
with the direction of the show which uh
I'll probably tell you about at some
point. Um and I'm really excited about
it. You know, I've done the same thing
for a very long time. It's not still
going to be the same thing, but just
slight adjustments in the sort of
direction and one of them is going to be
pushing into real passions of mine and
under oath music is uh a big part of it.
It's I'm really glad that you enjoyed it
and yes, there will be lots more musical
guests. Rick Bato as well. If you missed
that one, you should go and see it.
Built by Rob. If a girl says she wants
to take our relationship day by day, how
should I approach this?
It does sound
quite a lot to me like a lack of
commitment.
And
by the way that you framed your
question, I'm going to guess that you
would be happy to just straight up
commit. That you wouldn't need to take
it day by day. That you would be happy
to
say where you want it to be, where you
want it to end up and then do the things
in order to get there without having to
let it sort of emerge or unfold. And
one of the things I've kind of come to
believe about relationships, a lot of
disagreements like this, like you're
having to navigate this weird
discordance, I assume she wants a thing
and you want a different thing and you
now have to be the person and so does
she in some regard. You know, she could
ask the same question. uh if a boy says
he wants me to commit to a long-term
plan uh but I want to take it day by day
how should I approach this right there
is sort of two sides to this
ultimately I've kind of come to believe
that this is just incompatibility
right if what you want is a girl who
says she wants to take the relationship
the same way that you do and then you
don't have to navigate anything this
sort of lesson that it's far easier to
get a partner who compensates for our
shortcomings than it is to fix them,
right? Let's say that you're the sort of
person who likes to go out partying
three nights a week. You love uh raves
and and late nights and and seeing DJs
play and stuff and your partner is
someone who likes to be in bed by 9:00
p.m. There is going to be conflict
because what you want and what they want
are different and you have to navigate
that and it's going to be a cause of
tension.
Now, if you're in deep and there's kids
or, you know, something you just love
this person for all of the other
reasons, then maybe that's one price
that you need to pay. But like, let's be
honest here. It would just be way easier
to find somebody that also wants to go
to bed at 9:00 p.m. every night. Or it
would be easier for them to find someone
that wants to go out clubbing every
night.
And
I would be cautious, especially given
she wants to take it day by day. That
suggests that it's an early
relationship.
Not a red flag, but it's a pretty big
amber flag for me because it suggests
that you're in a place ready to commit
that she isn't. And I would set yourself
a deadline so that you don't just mana
mñana mñana this into oblivion. There
are so many girls out there. How many
girls that are listening to this show
right now would love a guy to say, "I am
ready to commit to you. I'm just ready
to commit. I You don't need to persuade
me. I'm just ready to go." Let me tell
you, Rob, [ __ ] tons. Okay,
you don't need to convince, you
shouldn't need to convince somebody to
commit to you even in the beginning if
you are ready to commit as well. Like
your goal is to find somebody who's on
the same wavelength as you. So, uh set a
deadline after which your level of
non-commmitment would be unacceptable to
you. And then if that happens, there are
an awful lot of women out there, many of
whom are listening to this show right
now, who would [ __ ] snap your hand
off to
be the person that commits to them.
Rafford X, have you begun identifying
your next Infinity Gauntlet list of
desired interviews after you finally
scheduled Rogan? Rogan's not scheduled.
He said he was prepared to come on for
episode 1000. I'm currently in the
process of trying to get him on, but he
goes hunting at some point for like elk,
like the most [ __ ] Rogan thing ever.
Uh trying to schedule him for episode
10,000. Hopefully that'll happen. But
yes, I had this five episode, five guest
list. Uh, Alander Botton, Sam Harris,
Jordan Peterson, Naval Ravant, and Joe
Rogan were kind of my yeah, infinity
stones gauntlet thing that I wanted when
I first started Modern Wisdom. And after
Rogan, I've done it. And I go, okay,
well,
ah, ah, I got a second hand. I can do
it. I can put another glove on. And
then, you know, two feet as well. Um,
have I started to identify them? Some of
them actually. I think Lewis Kapaldi
probably gets one of the first Infinity
Stone positions on that. Um,
Denzel Washington is probably pretty
high up there as well. Uh,
those are certainly the Kapali thing
speaks to me. I need to do a little bit
more thinking. There's a lot of people
that are may, but it was kind of more
obvious when
I'd had all of this time not being able
to access guests. So many of them I've
done, right? The other people that I
would have loved to Matthew McConnA
would have probably been one of the the
potentials, but I got him and okay,
well, I he can't be a part of the other
Infinity Gauntlet. It's already gone.
So, um, open to suggestions for who you
think would be GOAT guests, but, um,
we're moving towards some really
interesting ones. Movement
and Tisa, will you have James Ston or
Sardia Khan on your show? Sardi's been
on twice and James Sexton's already been
on once and he's scheduled again.
Movement and Tisa, do your research,
okay? Do your do your do your research.
Go back and watch those ones. You got
three episodes to catch up on and then
by the time you've done that, James will
have been back on. So, there we are.
Stipe verd. How do you think the male
sedation hypothesis impacts the way
society views masculinity?
Huh, it's interesting. So, male sedation
hypothesis is this idea I came up with
which has been cited twice now in
academic
journals or studies of some kind. Um,
when you have lots of men who aren't
having sex, typically throughout
history, they cause havoc. Um because
women are a domesticating force to men,
they cause them to behave a little bit
more.
Given that we've got very high rates of
sexlessness among young men in the
modern world, why are we not seeing tons
of incel violence? And why is there not
lots of um disruption and antisocial
behavior that we're seeing that's like
kinetic in the way that you might expect
throughout history? Uh, and it's my
opinion that porn, screens, video games
are sedating men's desire to seek mates
and achieve goals. And it's um giving
them a titrated dose, like a tiny weeny
little dose of
what they genuinely want. It's not
enough for them to be satisfied or
fulfilled, which is where you get a lot
of mental health problems from. But it
is enough to sedate them out of
ganging up in a big crew, heading out of
the house and going and setting granny
on fire or doing whatever. How do I
think that that hypothesis impacts the
way that society views masculinity? I
that's
actually a really interesting question.
I think
men
aren't perceived to be as dangerous
as they should be.
I know that there's a lot of concerns
about women walking home at night and
you know it's not every man, but it's
always a man or whatever.
That that's like one very kind of
specific part. But men are pretty
[ __ ] dangerous to everybody,
including other men, including
governments, including the legal system
and law enforcement, uh, including
people who have possessions, the
wealthy, including anybody that's in a
position of privilege or a position of
of um a disadvantage as well, and maybe
even more so. I don't think men are
perceived as being particularly
dangerous in the modern world. And I
think that that is kind of because
everyone has this understanding in the
back of their mind that guys kind of
aren't that motivated. They're not that
fired up. They struggle to coordinate.
They're not super
agentic. They're not happening to life.
Life is happening to men a lot. And
maybe this is true with women, too. I
don't know. I shouldn't mansplain to
them, but
I get the sense that
the sedation hypothesis impacts the way
that society views masculinity by making
men appear less dangerous. And that also
means making them appear less useful. So
men are both kind of
pied would suggest that there's empathy.
I don't think they're necessarily pied,
scorned in a way um
for being
relatively [ __ ] compared with how
they could be if they weren't being
quite so sedated. And um I don't know,
should we have more dangerous men?
Maybe. I don't want to have widespread
disruption and stuff. Uh, but that's
really only because we're in a time of
kind of peace. If there was some sort of
war confrontation to kick off, you
really need all of these guys that can't
get themselves motivated to go to the
gym or get off the couch or wake up on
time or hold down a job or get into, you
know, be a contributing member of
society, go to church or do whatever the
thing is that you think that guy should
be doing. If they can't do that, they're
definitely not going to be able to go to
war. And um, hopefully you don't need
to. But
useless men are only marginally better
for society at large than dangerous men.
Like sedated and useless,
tiny tiny bit better than disgruntled
and dangerous. But uh if if those are
the two choices
is they're not great options. Frequency
brand. Can you share a medical update?
What's working? What's not? What have
you all tried? Okay. Uh,
so I've been pretty sick for the last 18
months now, over 18 months, and it's
been a journey trying to work out what's
wrong and trying to treat it. And given
the fact that you can't immediately work
out what's wrong, it's really [ __ ]
difficult to treat. Um, we're about to
release probably within the next month,
the first half of a vlog, almost a
documentary that tracked the entirety of
what's been going on with me. Um, Max
videographer was with me the day that I
got diagnosed with Lyme disease just by
fluke. We were starting to film the vlog
stuff together that day and that was the
day that I got the call. So, um, you're
going to get to see the first half of
it, probably up until the beginning of
this year, earlier this year. And then
most recently, you may have seen on my
Instagram, I was dressed like a hot
potato in a hospital bed getting blood
treatment done. A lot of people said,
"Oh, it's kidney dialysis. I can't
believe you're still partying." What uh
dehydration from being in in Austin? I
guess both. You know, you look at
somebody who's plugged into a bunch of
machines and they've got blood coming
out of them and you think diialysis or
you think rehydration. So, fair point.
Okay. Um, that was what's called an HHO
treatment, a hemohyp oxygenation
treatment. Uh, hyper as in
hyperothermia. So, I was held in a
forced fever. My body was at 104°
Fahrenheit for 4 hours. And my blood was
being heated, run through a laser, run
through a filter, hyper oxygenated with
a baby lung, and then put back into me
while I was heated on a water bed
wrapped in foil and blankets, sedated,
and with a rehydration IV. And it sounds
[ __ ] mental when I say it. Um, so
that was my trip to Vienna. I also went
and got natural killer cell infusion in
Lithuania, which is only an hour and a
half away. So I went and did that that
trip. That was only two weeks ago. Um,
the most recent medical update for me in
short is it seems like just overload of
the immune system. Uh, a lot of
dysregulation
resulting in some underlying old
infectiony stuff like lime that wasn't
really bothering me when I was strong
and had everything going on. But then I
move into a house with mold and I get
EBV and [ __ ] CMV and heavy metals and
BPAs and roundworm, liver fluke, H.
pylori, SIBO, candida, uh, what the [ __ ]
else?
More more stuff. I can't remember what
it is. And we've crossed off all of
those things. And the stuff that's left
is presumably the culprit. And it's been
really sad for a long time. But
the HHO treatment that I did in Vienna
has been the biggest singlestep change
in my recovery. I'm only 2 weeks after
that now.
2 weeks afterward. Um, however,
tentatively things are feeling the best
that they have for a while. Energy is
still very low, but mood and cognition
have improved, which are two big deals.
and they all feed into each other. Um,
that being said, I did a a cortisol
test, a really complex cortisol test
where I had to spit into a tube
different tubes every 2 hours for
basically 24 hours, including in the
middle of the night. And um, apparently
if you under stress for long enough,
your uh, cortisol and mel melatonin uh,
rhythm can get turned upside down. And
that means I wake up in the morning and
I have no cortisol to wake me up, which
is why I'm knackered. And by the time I
go to bed on the night time, my
melatonin hasn't spiked. My cortisol's
through the roof and I've got no DHEA.
So, I'm shattered tired. It's called
being tired but wide. Um, this has all
been most of most of it's been tracked.
So, I guess this health vlog for anybody
that's suffering with complex illness,
chronic illness, um like uh whatever it
is, MC CFS or MFCS uh chronic fatigue
syndromey type stuff like I'm tired.
I've got brain fog. I'm sad a lot. And I
don't know why. Hopefully will at least
provide a bit of perspective because
I've done everything. I've been to
Tijuana. I've been to Lithuania. I've
been to Vienna. I've been to San Jose.
I've been like to Florida. I've done
Eboo. I've done oxygen therapy. I've
done red light. I've done Every Ivy
under the sun for And it's basically
been a second full-time job. And I've
tried not to let it affect my
performance on the show cuz I wanted to
be a professional. But it's been tough.
And um
hopefully I'm coming out the other side
of it. The reason I wanted to share it
earlier was
or the reason I wanted to track the
journey and didn't talk about it was I
thought, well, this will be really
interesting to have as a standalone
piece that people can watch that's
self-contained. They still get to enjoy
the show and me trying to show up on the
show and be a pro,
but you know, by the end of 2024, I'll
have finished this thing and I'll have
brought it into land and it'll all be
great. And I got to the end of 2024 and
I felt worse than ever. And then I was,
you know, in March and of this year and
I was about to go on Rogan and my brain
literally felt like it was pouring out
of my ears and I was thinking I'm just
going to go on there and just go and not
be able to speak.
And now we're more than half of the way
through 2025 and it's still not fixed.
So, we're going to do what was going to
be a self-contained documentary that
hopefully brought it into land and made
everyone feel real hopeful cuz I would
have been fixed. I haven't been fixed
yet. So, you're going to get the first
half of that soon. Uh, but maybe we're
on the path to recovery. I'm feeling
more hopeful than I have for months. So,
hooray for that. L4 Reborn. What do you
think are the negative effects of social
reality TV on our society and our women?
Where do you feel Love Island ties into
that? Ah, yes. I actually, speaking of
the hair and Love Island, I was flying
back
through
somewhere in America and I'd grown this
this was with this hair only a couple of
weeks ago, maybe when I was on the way
to Vienna and put my stuff into the bin
and the dude was it was JFK. It was
flying out and late at night and I, you
know, just asked the guys, "Hey, you
having a good day?" He went, "Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Thank you for that." And
[ __ ] off and go through the scanner. I
forgot something. turned back around my
watch or whatever. Throw it in the bin.
Hey, by the way, do I do I recognize
you? I was like, "Yeah, why don't anyone
Yeah, Love Island." I was like, "Fuck's
sake." Because 10 years ago when I did
Love Island in the UK, I had this hair.
And for the last 5 years, I've basically
not got that at all. Largely, probably
because I don't look like that person.
Now, my desire to actually have hair on
the top of my head has resulted in
people in America presumably who've got
into Love Island in the US because it's
been a big show. Now, going back and
watching the UK version and season 1,
episode one, first person through the
doors of Love Island, who the [ __ ] is
it? It's me with this hair. So,
actually, the afro or the skin head is
looking increasingly attractive uh by
the by the day. Uh, how do I what do I
think of the negative effects of social
reality TV on our society and our women?
Where do you feel Love Island ties into
that? I mean, it is a [ __ ] cultural
phenomenon in the UK. It's actually on
the decline. I would say it's um sort of
it was at its peak probably 2017, 2018
was like peak Love Island, maybe a
little bit more into 2019, 2020. Uh, but
it's kind of like old news a little bit
and a bit of a meme. [ __ ] me. I didn't
watch it a single second. I didn't even
see clips, but I knew that Love Island
had kind of captured America's uh
consciousness this summer. And uh yeah,
Lord help this country if that continues
for another 5 years. Uh where do I feel
that it ties into that some of the
negative effects? Uh I certainly think
that it normalizes people partner
swapping and uh flimsy levels of
commitment because that's the name of
the game, right? you go in there, well,
we're all here to date and switch and
swap and so on. And who's to say that
you shouldn't do that? It's like, well,
it's slightly different if you're in a
villa that's dedicated to trying out
other partners and everyone's go there
for the same reason. So, you've kind of
bought into that. Uh, it's really
different to
one person earlier on. Uh, I someone
wants to take it day by day. I feel like
I want to be committed. Like, that's the
person that doesn't just want to take it
day by day. Didn't step into the villa,
right? he wasn't a new islander joining
the villa. Understanding what the name
of the game was and and how the rules
sort of exist. Uh so normalizing partner
swapping for sure. I think uh treating
people as a disposable uh uh
transaction. It's sort of confluent.
It's as long as you can benefit me then
kind of we're in a relationship
together. Um, it also normalizes people
kind of being nosy into others
relationships and feeling like they have
a say about how others should behave.
They should have done that. They
shouldn't have done that. I would have
done differently. And that's kind of
human nature, venting and gossip and
stuff. But when you do it at a mass
scale and it's this popular and it's
very aspirational. I've seen so many
girls that I follow in Austin on
Instagram, their stories like doing
talking about stuff that is sort of so
Love Island adjacent that it's evident
it's kind of a lowkey I would you know
if I went on there cuz like obviously
like that's exactly like how I would fit
in and like if I was on there I would do
it totally differently. Go look girls
from somebody who has the [ __ ]
veteran not stolen Valor badge pinned to
his lapel for having been on there. Uh
it is not going to fix your relationship
problems and it's really [ __ ] boring.
Uh it's not that interesting to be on
and what you want is other girls to
scrutinize and look at you and think
that you look cute in a bikini. not I
actually want to find a deep meaningful
partnership from that. I think I mean if
you look at the success rate of Love
Island in terms of the long-term
relationships it's basically zero in the
UK. There's been a lot of people on
there. It's been you know maybe a
hundred people maybe maybe 200 people
that have been on that show now and
basically none of them are still
together. So yeah uh hold on tight for
the next few years in America if that's
if this summer is anything to go by.
Ryan Utterback, how has money changed
your life and how others treat you? Uh,
I don't really talk about money or to be
honest really even think about it all
that much. I suppose that's a luxury,
but to be honest, after if you come from
a very uh within your means sort of low
income background, which I did, uh like
as the most working-class town that you
can get in the UK, uh with a single
parent income, um
you
don't
expect much. and you know me and mom
living on dad's wage
and then dad also living on dad's wage I
guess you just don't expect all that
much so I don't think about money and
that's a real benefit in many ways seems
to be two paths that people who don't
come from money go down if they get
money one of them is huh that's nice
like I can get a slightly nicer coffee
or a slightly better yogurt or I don't
need to think about whether I have to
pay for dinner when my friends come
through stuff Isn't that great that I
don't need to worry about? And then the
other side, which is kind of like the
NBA player uh arc and um I'm really
fortunate that my constitution has put
me in the first one. Uh how's it changed
my life? I have just whed for 5 minutes
about what's happened to my health. It
means that if there is ever a
catastrophe of any kind, I can always
pay it. And that is
unbelievably reassuring that there's
basically no issue that you can
encounter
cancer treatment and it's millions of
dollars like [ __ ] that's going to really
really hurt. But
the fact that you don't ever have to
worry about whether you can pay for
dinner. Um, I mean there was a time when
I was 19 and I was doing my no sorry
when I was 20 and I was doing my
placement year in Scotland and I
remember a friend had come up to help
work with me. I was running this events
company uh that I was working for as
part of my placement year from
university and there was a day where I
didn't have money to eat. I I literally
didn't have enough money to eat and I
probably could have rung my parents and
asked them to, you know, why me £50 or
something, but I I think I was a bit
proud to do that and I didn't have money
to eat. And he said, he turned to me,
Dino Mitches, I still remember, turned
to me and he was like, "It doesn't
matter, dude. Like, I can just go and
steal some food."
And that still 15 years later sticks
with me because
it really sort of brought it home of how
just how skint I was. It's like I'm so
poor that I have to consider stealing
food. And I'm aware that there are
levels of poverty that [ __ ] plunge
way below that and don't have the
parents that could back them up. But
that was a real moment of like [ __ ] like
I have got myself to the stage. I'm at
univers on a placement year from
university doing this thing and I can't
afford to eat. Uh, I also did spend my
final10 pounds driving to an under oath
concert and back uh when I was 22. So,
um, yeah, maybe I wasn't always
responsible with my cash. How has it
changed how others treat me? I really do
not think that I dress in the manner of
somebody that looks like they've got
money and uh, I try not to talk about
it. [ __ ] sake. Camera autofocusing.
I don't talk about it that much because
it's a bit go in the UK to talk about
money in that sort of a way. It's not
really what we do. You know, the like
Andy Elliot Grant Cardone Pilled
approach to things is not we're kind of
allergic to that as a country. Uh or at
least where I'm from, we are. So, it
doesn't change how others treat me
really at all, which is fortunate, I
suppose. Now, fame and status, whatever
micro niche, degenerate fame I've got,
that'll change how people treat you. But
uh I'm guess that if you were signaling
tons of wealth uh that would be another
challenge that you have to get over.
That would be real tough. Annie Ben
Alohim, what is your best advice for
dealing with very high stress levels for
an extended period of time? Oh, you are
talking to the right person. Um, I've
been more stressed over the last 9
months than I ever have in my life up
until now to the point where, yeah, my
cortisol and melatonin flow is inverted.
Uh, everything's constantly elevated. My
natural killer cell, my uh CD57 plus,
which is like this natural killer cell
uh gauge is 80% missing. Um, and this is
a combination of physiological damage
plus lifestyle stress on top, plus then
the story I tell myself about needing to
keep up with the lifestyle. Even as I
try to back off, outsource stuff, hire
people, do all of the the things to like
alleviate that, still the smallest
amount of effort is so exhausting to me.
So, I I should at least have bit of an
idea. Um, certainly I I can pontificate
for ages and give you like wishy-washy
concepts and philosophies and quotes and
[ __ ] but really you just need something
practical. [ __ ] dude. Try and sleep.
Like, please sleep more and walk more.
If you walk more and you sleep more,
things will probably be a little bit
better. Um, now the problem is if you're
in very high stress levels for an
extended period of time like you are,
you can't sleep because you're tired but
wired. Your cortisol is spiking through
the roof. uh you're ruminating when
you're supposed to be relaxing and
you've got intrusive thoughts. You're
probably waking up throughout the night
um uh thinking of things, you know,
waking up with a racing heartbeat, which
I would do, and wake up and be anxious.
Like, I've just been asleep. What What
am I anxious about? How can I be
anxious? I was literally just asleep,
the most relaxed that you can be. And
did I get anxious while I was asleep?
And then wait, so sleep and walk would
be two things. um try and stick to a
routine because the stress will start to
try and
expand out and fill all of the gaps in
the rest of your schedule. And if you
don't have a structure that you lean on,
what ends up happening is you default to
less productivity, less mindfulness, you
don't do self-care, you don't train, you
don't get sunlight. So try and create uh
rigid rules around when the alarm goes
off, I'm out of bed within 3 minutes.
The first thing that I do is get step
outside or look out of a window or go
for a walk or do whatever. I'm going to
go to the gym every single day. I'm
going to go to the gym 5 days a week,
Monday through Friday, however you want
to do it. like set rules because if you
don't do that, you're going to end up um
the stress is going to make adhering to
things through choice so difficult that
you need to buttress and bolster your um
uh routine ability. And I think that
having a a set plan is a good way to do
it. And I know it's tough, but it's not
going to last forever, dude. Like, you
will get through this. This isn't going
to be life. This isn't going to be for
the rest of time. You will recover from
this as well. very high stress levels
for an extended period of time. Tough.
Don't rely on stimulants to wake you up
and sleep meds to get you to sleep. Uh I
can guarantee you that that is not a
phenomenal strategy. Um
try and do things as naturally as
possible. Try and downregulate wherever
you can. Meditate, breath work. Um stick
to a routine, sleep, walk, basics. Uh,
sorry it's not more complex, but after
like two years of basically
experimenting with all of this [ __ ]
that's what I've come back around to.
Cool. Ken 23. What does the next 10
years look like content-wise? What do
you think is the biggest thing you will
need to adjust to or obstacle you will
face in order to keep your content
going? This is a [ __ ] cool question.
And I said earlier on that I might tell
you about some different directions for
the show, and this is later on, so [ __ ]
it. I'll tell you now.
Uh, I don't know about the next 10
years, but certainly the next
foreseeable.
I am in the process of buying my first
studio space here in Austin. One of the
things that I have realized is I really
enjoy episodes where I get to hang
as much as episodes where I get to um,
deliberately learn. That's not to say I
don't learn stuff when I'm hanging and
that I don't get to hang when I'm
learning [ __ ] But the under oath
episode is a really good example of
this. Two guys shooting the [ __ ] with me
talking about stuff that we know. Wow,
wasn't that deep and interesting and we
learn things. But also, I just felt
really regulated. I thought it was very
fun. The feedback was [ __ ] amazing.
And I just I left the episode feeling
lighter. And sometimes with the access
I've got now and how deep I am, how
nerdy I am with some of the [ __ ] that I
like to learn about,
I even I get the sense that modern
wisdom can sometimes feel like homework.
And I love it. But you don't want to do
homework. Even the [ __ ] that defies you
up the most in the world, you don't want
to be doing that every single day,
right? So, my current strategy is you're
going to see more multi- guest hang
style episodes. Uh, I find myself
listening to All-In podcast, Pirate Wise
with Mike Salana, uh, Flagrant with
Schultz, Protect Our Parks' episodes
with Rogan, um, Finn Versus the Internet
on Finn Taylor's Finn versus History,
uh, Screen Rot, um, uh, you know, the
these episodes, this sort of style is
very hang.
uh Matt and Shane's secret podcast. Even
if you look at Tim Dylan, Theo Vaughn,
they're a hang. It's just that they're
such big personalities that they even if
they do a solo episode, they can like
they can hang on their own. Um and that
to me just seems to be like a really
good direction to go in. I think it's
going to help to give me the opportunity
to put some personality across because a
lot of the time when I'm doing episodes
with guests, it's like I need to put
this person on a pedestal and make them
as amazing as possible. rightly so.
They've got [ __ ] important [ __ ] to
say, but I
want to have a bit more fun. Not that I
don't have fun, but like, you know, like
that kind of energetic, relaxed sort of
hang style fun. So, that's one path. Um,
second path is more solo episodes. So,
I'm considering doing a monthly Q&A just
like this. We're doing it based on
subscriber count. We did it every
50k up to a mill, then every 100k up to
like three, and then every two or 2.5,
and then every 250, and then this is 100
because we weren't moving quite as
quickly, and I couldn't be asked to wait
until 7:50. So, it's like I I shouldn't
be doing a Q&A based on how fast or how
slow the channel growth is. Um, but I
don't know whether monthly Q&A are too
much. So feel free to leave a comment
and and let me know if you think that
that's the the right cadence. But I
really love the opportunity to do that.
I really love my lessons episodes. I
find the opportunity to reflect on what
I've learned and to try and teach them
and I know that they add a lot of value.
Uh and also I want to have the
opportunity to make the show a little
bit more about me. You know, I've done a
thousand episodes, a millennia of
episodes where all I've tried to do is
make somebody else look as amazing as
possible. and I've got ideas and and
interesting things that I've been
reflecting on or at least things that
I'm interested in. Whether they're
interesting is to be decided
and I want to talk about them. So, more
hang style, which I guess is one end of
the barbell. More solo, which is going
to be the other end of the barbell. And
then still in the middle, the bulk of
the episodes, you know, 80% of the
episodes are going to be interview
format stuff. And when it comes to
guests, I'm going to be thinking more
out of the box. I think the Underath
episode, the Rick Biato episode, both
like really like orthogonal ones. Jeremy
Rena also another one. It's like, huh, I
wouldn't have expected to see [ __ ] like
Chris got under. Like they're not even a
massive name, but [ __ ] that was really
cool. Like Rick Bata, like [ __ ] like
where do you get him from? Or so I'm
trying to be I I think what you can
expect is a little bit of a pivot. Um,
more of the same. But we're going to
make some changes with the way that the
channel appears as well. the uh
copywriting style, the thumbnail style.
Uh hopefully all of this is going to
basically come into land around about
episode 1000, which will also be when
the studio is maybe ready, nearly ready,
something. And um I'm I haven't been
this excited for a while. I certainly
think that I kind of rinsed this format
just that with no variety in your diet.
You know, like your favorite meal. The f
my favorite thing to do is speak to a
dusty academic about like some [ __ ]
obscure part of human nature
in the same way as steak with vegetables
might be your favorite meal. But if all
you ever ate was steak and vegetables,
you'd want a little bit of variety. And
I think this is me trying to add a bit
more variety. So that's what you can
expect. more of the same elevated
slightly different directions hang
styles solo guests but guests that are a
little bit more experimental and and uh
novel I suppose hopefully a lot of world
firsts when it comes to the guests and
um we'll see how it goes. Uh maybe this
is going to be like you two trying to
release a [ __ ] acoustic album and
everybody hates it. But I'm excited
about it and I get the sense that if I'm
excited about it, that's the most
important thing because if I'm excited,
that will carry the vibe and everyone
else will come along for the ride. And
if I'm wrong, [ __ ] it. You'll just see
me revert back to doing what I did all
along.
JP Ganoska,
do you consider yourself a dino?
Um, all right. So, I don't know how many
people even in the UK know what Adino
is. Dino is kind of it's British slang
for a very particular type of guy. Um,
usually from a working-class area. Um,
he grew up not from money. Has started
earning a tiny little bit. And it's it's
every guy that went on Love Island is a
dino. Fake tan, white teeth, uh, veneers
in Turkey. Hair transplant also from
Turkey. Girl who's got fake boobs. He
drives a gray Audi A3. She drives a Fiat
500. They live in a new build house.
Everything's on finance. They like to go
to Toby Carvery or to Miller and Carter
on a weekend. They like to get a bag in
with the boys. They wear skinny jeans.
Um, it's like a real archetype. And I
guess I would have been kind of like I
was Dino adjacent when I was running the
nightclub stuff and kind of king of the
DOS in that regard given that Newcastle
is pretty dino central.
But I certainly am not anymore. And I
never fitted in then either like two a
post-graduate degree is not sort of
classically dino. Um and I had the wrong
car. So I would have never fitted it in.
But that's a [ __ ] great meme that I
totally forgot about. And uh yeah, long
live the dos man. Um they're still
powering my uh ex business partner's
business. So please don't don't badmouth
them too much.
Hello. IFG. If you had two children and
you had to name them after cities you've
been to, which would you pick? That's
cool. Athens is a [ __ ] sick name. I
mean, it's just you you ask a guy this
question and he thinks about, you know,
like warrior and and and sword and, you
know, just like random aggressive names.
Athens kind of cool. Uh, Bali probably
makes for a pretty [ __ ] name. Um, what
else do I like in terms of that?
Paris is pretty sweet, I guess. A ton of
all of my friends that I've known
throughout the years that are called
Paris are pretty [ __ ] cool. So, if
you want to guarantee a cool kid, it's
kind of hard to give a kid a cool name
and have an uncool kid. I wonder if
that's a a way to future proof your kid
from being too nerdy. Uh, let's say
Paris and Athens, also both European, so
America can
take my taxes, but not take my
children's names. Just Nikki, Nikki,
Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, Nikki,
Nikki,
Inky,
I've been screwed over there. How do I
get over the shame of being rejected by
a guy who used and ghosted me?
Yeah, I'm sorry that that happened. Uh
it is unfortunately very common
maybe less in reverse but happens both
directions and uh that sucks. I'm sorry
that that that was something that you
went through.
It's going to be difficult because
you'll have placed some of your
selfworth into this person and the fact
that they didn't choose you is going to
make you feel unworthy.
Um, you're going to wish that if only
you'd been better. Are you going to
think if only I'd been more or
bigger? If I'd been more electric or
more more uh alluring in some way. Uh,
then they would have stayed. They
wouldn't have rejected me. Uh, they
wouldn't have used me. And then they
would have at the very least given me
the respect to have said this is over or
whatever.
It's going to be really hard to
get past the emotional side of this. So,
I can give you a logical answer, which
is if you've been rejected by a guy who
used and ghosted you, if he's the sort
of guy that uses and ghosts you, that's
not rejection. That's a very fortunate
early warning system from somebody that
has a psychological makeup that you
would not want to be in a relationship
with long term. Like, that is not the
sort of guy that you want. That's is
that the sort of son that you would
want? Absolutely not. Okay. Your kids
are going to be made up of the genetics
of the partner that you choose. Do you
want those genes? You really want would
you want would you have preferred that
he'd stayed with you being the sort of
guy that could use and ghost you?
I'm going to guess that he's a little
bit younger. Um, unfortunately, this is
the peril of dating in your 20ies. I
mean, I will hold my hand up. I did that
to girls. I did that when I was in my
20ies because I wasn't brave enough to
tell them what I meant, which was I
don't want to be with you or this is
over or that was something that was
casual, not something that was longterm
and maybe I did or didn't. Maybe it was
wishful thinking on your part or maybe I
even was a little bit um obfiscatory
about what my intentions were and made
you think that it was going to be longer
term. Like these are all these are just
the things that both parties do when
they're so scared about telling the
truth and they don't know how to open
up. Um so it's not a rejection if it's
somebody that you would have hated being
in a relationship long term. You've been
saved by the fact that this guy behaved
that way. The shame comes from feeling
like I need to make myself more or
different in order to be loved in future
because I evidently wasn't enough this
time and if I don't change myself, it's
just going to happen again. I would say
what the issue was there was bad partner
choice, not an issue of you. Uh now you
may be awful uh but the used and ghosted
thing like
that that isn't a you thing that's a
them thing. So trying to remember your
goal is not to find somebody
your goal is to find somebody who will
treat you right as you. Not to make
yourself into the sort of person that
someone who would reject you and ghost
you won't do simply because you've sort
of super squirrel [ __ ] like Jedi mind
tricked them into seeing you as somebody
else. Your goal should be to be as
unapologetically yourself in a
relationship and have that be chosen by
the other person because anything short
of that is going to result in you
playing some sort of a role or curbing
off different parts of yourself or
making yourself smaller or making
yourself bigger having to perform and
that's just not good. So
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Smith has talked about the difficulty of
working with me in Newtonic. This is the
same thing again, but without a James
there to actually step in and say, "All
right, that's enough, mate." Um, it'll
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because we'll have [ __ ] available at all
of the live shows. Chris Williamson.
Hey. Um,
we'll have stuff before then. Uh, and
the designs are awesome and I can't wait
to drop them so soon. And sorry for the
wait. And it's a different brand. It's
actually a separate brand to Modern
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copyrightiting that I've done in quite a
while. If everybody hates it, I'm going
to have egg on my face, but I think it's
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Beyond the pale 22. I'm 33 and I found
someone I love deeply and genuinely see
a future with. But I still find myself
craving other women and I don't think
that part of me will ever fully go away.
How do I reconcile the part of me that
wants long-term love with the part that
still wants to experience more?
That
is a doozy and I think it's something
that a lot of guys feel. I certainly
know that I did for a long time and that
was the reason that I was a bastard in
some previous relationships and you know
was playing away and like just behaving
in ways that were really not they didn't
make me feel proud because I was so I
wanted love but I also had this desire
for novelty and I couldn't square that
circle. I couldn't I couldn't keep my
dick in my pants, but I also wasn't
sufficiently prepared to be honest with
my partner and say, "Hey, this is over.
I need to go and
[ __ ] someone else." I couldn't say that.
So, I you end up in this messy middle
ground. That's the worst place to be in.
Um,
I think a few things that you can try
and think about here. First off, you're
not broken as a guy for finding other
women attractive. And the fact that
other women are attractive is not an
indication that there is an issue with
you and your partner, especially someone
you love deeply, genuinely see a future
with. Uh David Bus told me this story
that a guy sent him an email saying,
"Thank you very much, Dr. Bus. You saved
my marriage. Before I read your book, I
thought that because I was still
attracted to other women, walking down
the street with my wife who I love and
the kids who I love and this life that I
I I found really fulfilling, I would
look at other women and find them
attractive. And I thought that that
meant there was a problem with this
relationship.
And your book said there is an area of
the brain in men that does not exist in
the same way in women that rewards us,
gives us reward signals for looking at
anything that's sexual. Even a a couple
of rocks that look like a pair of boobs,
guys will look and be like, "Yeah, nice
rack." And get a little bit of uh reward
in our brain from there.
His point was, I thought that the fact I
found other women attractive was an
indication that my relationship was
broken. What you told me was this is
something that's just ingrained. It's
not
it's not a uh indication that there is
an issue or some sort of uh shortcoming
with the partnership I have right now.
It's just the way that men are wired and
it doesn't mean I need to act on it. It
doesn't mean that I have an issue with
my wife. And it alleviated him of all of
this guilt. And it sounds like there's
at least a little bit of guilt going on
here. Um,
practically you need to kind of make a
decision about what it is that you want.
Do you more want the love deeply or do
you more want the novelty? And you can
try and do the polyamory thing, I
suppose. But I I have very limited
uh hope in that for most people. I think
it is a fraught and difficult foundation
to build a relationship on. And I think
that for most guys,
the sort of girls who would be okay with
an open or one-sided open relationship
are typically not the sort of ones that
you want to marry long term. And this is
most guys, most girls. There is a cohort
of people who will go to swinger
parties, put the keys in a bowl, you
know, come out not knowing who's put
what bits of their [ __ ] anatomy into
each other and be totally sweet about it
and just go to work the next day and
still love their partner. That's sweet.
But for most guys, I think most of them
are wired in a way where that's just not
it's it's not going to work. I just
really don't think it's going to work,
unfortunately. Um,
if you don't think that this part of you
is ever fully going to go away, and that
might be true,
can you live? This is really simple
question actually. Can you live with the
fact that you're going to find other
women attractive, but that you can't
[ __ ] them if you want to be loyal to
your partner? If you can live with that,
you lean into the David Bus sort of pled
approach. Doesn't mean there's a problem
with your partnership. Just something
that's there. The same way as you might
be hungry when you're on a diet, but you
choose not to eat the junk food. It's
like, huh, [ __ ] it's just going to be
after a thing that I decide to uh
control. Uh I certainly will say
uh the change that I noticed from age 30
to now age 37 in terms of my like desire
for uh sexual variety and my my this
might be a better way to put it. My
challenges with loyalty uh because of uh
wandering eye um have gotten much
easier. I don't know whether that's a
change in my programming. Uh it's
certainly not a decrease in my [ __ ]
testosterone level, but change in values
perhaps. Um
if you're the sort of guy that wants
kids and wants a family, that is going
to be such a strong pull.
I do think it's going to overshadow the
challenge that you have with this. Maybe
it won't ever fully go away that you're
going to look at other women, but if
you're okay with just clamping that bit
of you down and being like, "Hey, there
it is. I'm hungry for that food. Don't
need to eat it. That's good. And if you
find yourself getting tempted to go and
eat the food, you don't have it in the
house. The equivalent of that would be
if you're the sort of guy who can't keep
his dick in his pants, and you really,
really want to be loyal to your partner,
you don't go to nightclubs and drink.
You don't go on uh stag dues and get
smashed in party towns. You're with the
group that's a little bit more quiet and
goes to bed early. Uh does this sound
like a more boring life? Well, maybe in
some ways, but you're kind of treating
yourself like a sexual drug addict who
isn't to be trusted if there's an open
bag of cocaine near them. And if you're
in a club at 2 in the morning h having
your all of your inhibitions gone after
10 drinks, that's a high-risisk
environment. So, design your life so
that this risk doesn't have the
opportunity to manifest. Um, you want
long-term love, allow that to flourish.
uh spend your time like consuming
content that nourishes that part of you.
Get good dad inspo on YouTube and um
think about all of the ways that family
life's going to be amazing. And I get
the sense that as you grow up that is
going to come down into land. So
hopefully that helps.
Any advice for women your age trying to
navigate dating life? I'm 37. Women
trying to navigate dating life at 37 is
uh fraught because
presuming that they
haven't got something they're bringing
along with them like kids or divorce or
whatever or even if they have the
divorce thing as long as it's not kids
it's a it's a minefield out there
because there is this sense of needing
to hurry up that you're going to have to
go through and even if you have got kids
uh you're like [ __ ] like I really want I
want I want it to be the thing I I want
it to be the the relationship for the
rest of time. Um,
I would be uncompromising with what it
is that you uh like two or three things
that you really really want. I want a
partner who is peaceful. I want a
partner who makes me feel safe. I want a
partner who can provide for me
financially. That sick. All right. He
doesn't get to be six foot. You don't
get to complain about his body. You
don't get to complain about his
education. Like you
if you are 37 as a woman, if you're any
age that you really shouldn't have more
than about three things that are [ __ ]
super super non-negotiables because
you've all seen that whole math like
delusion calculator thing for women.
It's like how tall does he need to be
and what's his body fat percentage and
how much does he need to earn and before
you know it you're down to 0.5% of the
entire population from a small number of
things. Um,
I would say pick the things that really
matter and learn to be flexible about
the other ones. I would prioritize
something like psychological stability.
So, how long after you've had a uh
psychological perturbment? Are they able
to get back to baseline and be calm? Uh,
that's real important. Um, are they
loyal? Are they trustworthy? Do they
make you feel safe? Like, do you when
you're around them, do you feel
regulated or are you uncertain? Can they
communicate their feelings? Well, like
all of these things like are so [ __ ]
accessible and really predictive of
long-term relationship success. And most
people are optimizing for other things.
They're optimizing for how tall they
are. They're optimizing for what their
education level is or they're optimizing
for like the car that they drive or like
even other stupid like how cool they
are. Like, oh, he's, you know, cool.
Coolness is basically extraversion plus
openness to experience
uh and uh like energy I suppose like
high energy vibe. You go all of those
things really really great totally
non-predictive when it comes to your
partner. In fact, you want a partner
that's a little bit less open to
experience. You want a partner who's
like just moderately open to experience
because too open to experience causes
them to stray and look for other
partners. So, pick a small number of
non-negotiables. Stick to those. Be
flexible with the other ones. Focus on
the things that predict relationship
success long term. Tai Shiro's got a
great book on this. So, has uh
not Scott Barry Koffman, not Steve
Stewart Williams. [ __ ]
Who was the dude that did Don't Trust
Your Gut and Everybody Lies? Seth
Stevens Devidowitz. Choosing like all
the [ __ ] triplebarrel Jewish names
that I can think of. Uh Seth Stevens
Devidowitz, uh Don't Trust Your Gut,
wonderful book. What are the predictive
um areas that you should be looking for?
Merge those with your own preferences.
You're off to the races. Inspired
Evolution. How to build a podcasting
team and what roles did you fill slash
have filled and in which order? I did
not do it in any form of gold standard
way, I'm afraid.
Uh first hire was an editor videogen
who's still with me now. Did everything
full stack graphic design uh video
capture edit um thumbnail not
necessarily design but thumbnail
creation. Uh second was uh an assistant
um largely administrative assistant but
also did personal stuff and a little bit
of EA things too. They were just picking
up correspondents, uh, helping to make
sure the posting schedules were kept to,
doing QC, quality control. Uh, fourth
member of staff. We're now at this point
like 5 years into the show, right? We've
done 700 episodes and I get my fourth
member of staff. Um, fourth member of
staff was a YouTube uh, strategist
who helped me with the copywriting
because at three episodes a week I was
having to come up with every title,
every thumbnail for every clip and every
episode multiple across time. Then we
got I think uh, audio platform manager
who also helped out with ads and an ads
guide that was from an external agency.
Remembering these aren't necessarily all
full full-time members of staff. you can
just pick up contractors. But really the
if you can get a great full stack
editor, um I mean ideally if you can get
an editor who was also a producer like
young Jamie for Joe, uh you're laughing
because that's like five roles in one.
Um you need an assistant of some kind,
an administrative assistant. It doesn't
need to be in person, although it would
help if it is. Uh, and then someone who
does ads because it's there's just so
much correspondence sending invoices and
oh this person hasn't paid and we need
to change the read for that and oh the
deal for whatever whatever change
and then you can start to build up from
there. But that would be my stripped
back version
K9. How do you feel now at 37 seeing
youngsters clubbing and partying away
their 20s given that that was the life
you lived for 15 years before turning
yourself around?
I don't know how many youngsters are
clubbing and partying away their 20ies.
All the stats are about Gen Z leave the
house. They want to be in bed by 10 p.m.
They're all addicted to weed and
Netflix. I don't know
the ones that I do see that are doing
that.
The only concern I have is if you get
sort of deep into your 30s and you're
still doing it and it's still your
primary source of wellbe actually
probably to toward the end of your 20s.
Um I think it's [ __ ] I I had a great
time partying. I had a great time
running nightclubs. It was really fun
and
I learned an awful lot especially about
business. I'm aware that not most people
are running the clubs like clubbing and
partying. they're just like attending.
But it makes for cool memories as long
as you're not doing dangerous levels of
drugs uh or
spending money to the point where you do
lasting damage like bankruptcy or credit
ratings and things like that. As long as
you're like moderately responsible, I
don't think it matters. But I started to
see through kind of the veil a bit at
27.
26 27 did Love Island 25. No, did Love
Island 27. [ __ ] 28. 29 was when I went
sober, stopped drinking. 30 was when I
started the show. So that was a big
transition period. The manopause, the
end of my 20s.
If you're getting toward 30 and that's
still where most of your selfworth comes
from and most of your enjoyment, I think
that's worth a bigger question. But up
until 25, 26, 27, send it. Have fun. And
then it's out. Hopefully, it's out of
your system like it is for me. I have no
desire. I have no like unfulfilled
unrequited dreams of going to a
partying. I did it 30 times and sniffed
my head off. Like, okay, we're done.
Like, I don't need to go and do that.
And I think in some ways in some ways
that's good not cutting yourself short.
So
bit of partying small good dose of
partying with the deadline. Typical Rev
8364.
I caught a story a few weeks ago of I
caught a story a few weeks back of you
drifting at a drift school. So cool. Are
you going to continue the arts? Uh oh.
Typical Rev head. Uh
uh I [ __ ] love that. Texas Drift
Academy. If anybody is near Austin wants
to learn how to drift a car, they are I
I went from having never drifted a car
apart from accidentally to pretty
competent at drifting a car in the space
of 6 hours and uh like stringing
together multiple drifts. It was wild.
It was really, really cool. And will I
continue doing it? Uh probably shouldn't
do it in the
6.2 2 L V8 2SS Camaro because it is only
meant to go in a straight line and it
doesn't really do that all that well. Uh
but the modified 350Z 370Z sorry with
like locked rear diff and like you know
the E bra and stuff that was cool and
easy. Um I'll go back but I'll probably
do it with friends next time. I think it
was good to get a session in and learn
but it's a it's like 90 minutes away
from me so big ask. If it was closer I'd
do it more.
Mimo Criminal 8592.
How do you deal with the regret of
wasted time and potential?
It's a tough one, man. Um, thinking
where did all of that time go? I could
have done more with it. I'm on the back
foot. I feel like I need to play
catchup.
I
should be further along than I am. And
that's
difficult thing. Um
certainly a few things you can think
about. You you made the decisions that
you could with the information that you
had available at the time and even if
they were the wrong decisions, you now
know that going forward and that's a
lesson that you've learned which means
that you now have more information.
Hooray. You also don't have a [ __ ]
time machine which means that you can't
go back and change it.
So you did what you could with the
information you had available and you
can't go back and change it. the regret
really doesn't have much place and you
know that's largely a
treatise on not regretting things but
people are going to regret everything
they do even with that piece of
knowledge however your concern is around
wasted time and potential and you are
wasting your time and your potential
with your regret. So, not only did that
thing in the past waste your time and
your potential, then it's continuing to
take up your time and your potential
right now, even though it's not still
going. That is a special type of hell.
That is you being puppeted by an error
from the past in the present, making the
thing that you are regretful of from the
past still continue right now. That
should be a [ __ ] solvent that
dissolves whatever it is that you're
dealing with. Oh, my regret is causing
the problem I'm trying to get over to
happen again. I need to get rid of it. I
just need to focus on action. Action is
the antidote to anxiety. So, you just
lean into whatever it is. Make a plan,
stick to it, stop thinking about the
past. Tuk 5630, do you have any
recommendations for books or authors
that you find wise and helpful for
personal growth? Well, took Oak 5630.
Uh, I just released the second Modern
Wisdom reading list. First one I did,
100 books to read before you die. Second
one I did, 100 more books to read before
you die. Very, uh, creatively titled.
Uh, it's available at
chriswilx.com/morebooks.
M O R E B O Ks. Chris.com/morbooks. It's
100 more that you should read before you
die. There's tons in there. fiction,
non-fiction, real life stories. There's
a bit more fiction in this one, but
they're [ __ ] fire. And you can go and
get the first one at chriswex.com/box.
There's 200 and it took ages and 300,000
people downloaded the first one. So, it
it can't be that bad. And I get lots of
messages from people actually. That's
one of the coolest things. People come
up and say nice things sometimes in the
street. And one of the coolest ones I
got stopped by this dude like Guido
looking guy, tank top vest thing on in
the upper east side of New York. and
stopped by the side of the road. Yo,
Chris. I was like, "Oh, hey, man. Hey,
nice to meet you. What's your name?"
"Oh, my name is John or whatever." Like,
I can't do this strong New York like
Italian accent. I just wanted to say
thank you for uh I'm thinking he's going
to say, you know, the episode with Alex
Hozi, the the one with Matthew McConna
for the podcast, for putting for being
honest, for doing he's like for the uh
the the reading list. I'm like, huh, I
wasn't expecting that from tank top
wearing Guido here, but he's and a few
people have said that. I'm like, [ __ ]
Like that's cool cuz they've found lots
of things that are interesting to them
as this tiny little thing. So
chriswex.com/morbox.
You can go and get it. It's awesome.
YouTube geeko advice for men who crave a
female partner but are terrified that
their authentic self will be rejected or
isn't worthy of love. Oh, that's good.
I kind of said it earlier on.
Your goal,
your goal really in relationships is to
find the person around whom you can be
your most you you feel most like
yourself. You're not self-censoring. I
guess it's two it's two ends. You feel
like you can say
things without censorship as freely as
possible and you feel like you can sit
in silence and not need to fill it. If
you have both of those things, you are
pretty resonant with that person, right?
You are in
you're vibing with them. They are on the
same sort of level as you. And that's
wonderful because we have to put on
all kinds of acts and personas to get
through our day-to-day existence. We
have to behave differently at work and
in meetings and around our parents. And
that's exhausting a lot of the time. And
if you can't even be yourself around
your partner, I fear that it's such a
huge drain
on you. And what's what does it teach
you? It teaches you the lesson. I cannot
be myself anywhere.
Like if I can't be myself with my
long-term partner that I'm supposed to
be, you know, that's supposed to see me
and love me for who I am. So again, it
comes back to what I said earlier on,
this compatibility thing. If you can't
be yourself around your partner, just
find someone that you can. So, advice
for men who crave a female partner but
are terrified that their authentic self
would be rejected or isn't worthy of
love. Your authentic self will be
accepted and is worthy of love just from
the right woman. And your goal is to
continue to show your your authentic
self over and over again so that every
single person who it is not for rejects
you or you reject them. That should be
your goal. Your goal should be as many
rejections as possible from you or from
them while showing your authentic self
because it means the person if you're
not showing your authentic self, the
person who would have loved you is not
going to because you're not showing up
as you and the person who ends up loving
you does not love you because you
haven't [ __ ] shown yourself. It's
like so it's such basic maths that when
you realize if you play a role, the
person that you're with doesn't fall in
love with you and their love doesn't
ever actually come into contact with
your sense of self-being because you
know that it's not love, it's praise.
They're praising this role that you're
playing. Oh, well done for doing the
little act that made me giggle over
dinner. But what you know is that that
joke wasn't actually what you meant to
say. You had this other monologue in the
back of your mind that you muted and
then you did this little performance.
You did this little dance and they
giggled and you gave yourself like kind
of a congratulation, but it's so hollow
because it's not love. It's praise. And
your goal should be to be your authentic
self over and over again and be rejected
or reject as many times as possible
until you find the person that you can
be your authentic self around. And then
you do everything in your power to hold
on to them. That's the way to do it. I
think as the
not married person 37. Um
I think it is. And
that's when I feel happiest as well when
I'm being my authentic self. So
hopefully that
I guess the the one caveat here is there
is such a thing as your authentic self
kind of being an [ __ ] and that
requires you to do some personal
development. Your authentic self, you
can say, you know, I'm a farter. I've
always been a farter. I'm going to
continue. My daddy was a farter. My son
will be a farter. I'm a farter because
I'm a farter. I'm going to make sure on
my first date that I'm I'm my authentic
self. I'm going to fart my way through
this first date. It's like, ah, maybe
you should get rid of that. Maybe that's
not the best place for your authenticity
to come out. Maybe actually that's a
part of you that you need to improve.
And
you need to work out what are the areas
that you do not want to compromise on
that you feel are very close to your
sense of self. And what are the areas
where you think, "Huh,
this person who accepts a lot of the
bits of me but doesn't accept that bit
of me, I actually don't like that bit of
me either, and they're getting me to
transcend it and include it and
alchemize and move past it. Wouldn't
that be wonderful?" So hopefully that
helps.
And 665, as the only child, do you wish
you had siblings? Why or why not? Uh, I
think I do. Um, I was very well
supported by mom and dad. Um, but
it's difficult to be socialized in the
same way as kids who've had siblings.
millions mill multiple millions of tiny
tiny interactions that you have every
single day for decade and a half with
your sibling that help to socialize you
and teach you what it means to have an
argument and then make up afterward and
have somebody that's always in your
corner or have to learn to share or just
so many sort of fundamental lessons that
you have to construct. you have to go
out and find friends or play sports or
you can learn from parents. It's just
not the same. So, I think it would have
expedited a lot of my learning. But on
the flip side, it made me very um
independent um very resilient to
solitude uh very prepared to do things
without permission because there was no
one around to ask permission from um
very single-minded. And so a lot of the
things that I am really valuable I I
find valuable in myself and I think are
very useful and have given me a life
that I'm pretty proud of.
A lot of those have come out of it too.
So um I wish I'd had siblings. I'm fine
with the fact that I didn't but uh my
intention when I start a family is to uh
have more than one. So Trevor Krisy
Chrissy Krisky what are your thoughts on
traveling alone?
big fan. Done it a lot. I I think if
you're ever struggling for answers in
your life, uh you don't know what your
next life direction should be.
Obviously, you need the money and the,
you know, time and whatever to do that.
But presuming that you've got the cash
to get you on a flight to Thailand and
back, you can afford to go cuz once
you're there, it's $5 a day. Um I loved
it. I did Thailand on my own, Bali on my
own, America, road trips, Hawaii. I I I
went to a lot of places including all
around the UK uh on my own and it taught
me a lot about the world. It exposed me
to things that I wouldn't have done
otherwise. It gave me new perspectives.
Uh it is a real step change in how you
see yourself and how you understand the
world and it teaches you what you want
and it gives you insights into how other
people live their lives in good and bad
ways. It's phenomenal.
Connor K performance being in Austin.
What are your thoughts on the hybrid
athlete? Uh, yes. Uh, Austin's kind of
the mecca for the hybrid athlete at the
moment. I think Nick Bear and Lucy
Davies and George Heaton are always
coming out here and Jake and the guys,
they um, they're making it kind of the
center of the universe for it. The
mustache, the go one more hat, the Gym
Shark shorts, the Sony
running trainers. Uh, it's not for me.
I'm not built for distance. Um I mean
everybody know it's like such a [ __ ]
meme now, but that a hybrid athlete is a
runner that's a [ __ ] lifter or a lifter
that's a [ __ ] runner. Um
it's cool that people are thinking more
holistically about their cardiovascular
health. It's certainly better for you, I
think, than CrossFit is or was because
it's less complex. there's less like
insane loads that are being done under
duress uh and extreme fatigue. That's
I'm all in for that. Um CrossFit was
fun. I kind of went through my hybrid
phase with CrossFit, I guess, like the
OG hybrid athlete, and now I'm out the
other side. I'm getting into running a
little bit, but I do not intend on doing
a high rocks at all. So, sorry.
Kyle McCallum, why don't you use phone
cases? Uh that's true. Here we are. Look
at this. Um, as James Smith said, I like
my phones how I like my sex. Bearback.
He uh I don't know. I I I remember I
can't remember who it was.
Someone said, you know, tens of
millions, hundreds of millions of
dollars of engineering going into
creating this beautiful device that you
have that's perfectly designed and then
you go and slap a 15 pound case from
Amazon on it and destroy it and it feels
horrible and it's clunky. If you've I
mean I to look to continue the bearback
analogy once you have lived with a phone
that doesn't have a case for a while
when you pick one up that does just
doesn't feel the same. So I'll leave
that one there.
Phoenix Prince 99 honestly curious why
you still dress like a student. Seems
asymmetrical to your online presence.
That's a fair point. Uh look I dress for
comfort. Um,
I really prioritize feeling comfortable
and that means that some variation of
kind of pajamas at all times, publicly
acceptable pajamas, uh, is usually my
approach. Should I be elevating my
style? Should I have a stylist who's
stepping in and and putting me in trendy
clothes and having a signature look and
stuff? probably um but
at least for what I do
so much almost 95% of what it is that I
do is
how in the moment am I when I'm writing
or thinking or having a conversation
with someone and if I'm not comfortable
that detracts away from the big thing
that's not to say that I can't dress
well or not like a student and also that
like I have to be uncomfortable at the
same I'm aware that that's not
necessarily something I have to do. I
haven't thought about it that much. I'm
being honest. The last 5 years since the
beginning of co actually probably last 6
years I've just had my head down kind of
grinding away trying to reach some sort
of escape velocity with the show. Um so
maybe I'll start paying more attention
to my appearance. Uh I I like look I get
sick on the internet for being all style
no substance and then that usually gets
replied to with what you think he's got
style. So, I'm like, "Okay, no style, no
substance. Fantastic. Thank you." Um,
because the exmale model thing, because
of the Love Island thing and all the
rest of it, you would not believe how
little time I pay paying attention to my
appearance. Uh, I hadn't looked in a I'm
not kidding. I would not look in a
mirror before leaving the house when I
had my previous haircut hairstyle. Now,
with this, I'd have to at least a little
bit. If I've slept on one side too much,
I end up with this sort of like I don't
know, bad guy from an 80s action movies
thing going on. Um, maybe I should pay
more attention to my to my appearance.
Applications for stylists available
below. The Scott Barney. You've taken
the advice of literally every guru
you've ever interviewed. You're jacked,
sexy, wealthy, wise, and yet the last
and most important piece of advice
you've probably received a hundred times
is to get married and have children. You
don't have any more excuses. When are
you going to settle down and have kids?
Um, that started off so nicely and then
became a [ __ ] intervention. Um,
soon, man. I hope
I've said this before. I I hope that I
haven't made a mistake by focusing on
different things. In my 20s and in a
chunk of my 30s as well, I focused on
myself. I was very selfish because I
could be and I wanted to see the world
and I wanted to experience things and I
wanted to build a business and become
financially free. And
I wasn't ready. I I I mean
many people may say you never become
ready to be a parent. You just sort of
take the leap and it happens. But I
certainly know that the person that I
was
even 5 years ago, certainly 10 years
ago, would have been a significantly
worse father than I will be. And
I like the idea of all of this time that
I've spent being
for more than just my own vapid need for
recognition and to improve myself and
feel cool or smart or peaceful or
whatever. that all of the additional
time that I made my kids wait arriving
on this planet has been spent turning
their dad into the sort of person that's
really going to be there for them and
can really help them to navigate
difficult challenges in life and will
show up for them in a way that I
couldn't have done previously. So,
um
hopefully I don't regret that. I mean, I
have frozen my sperm now like yeah and
I'm getting varicosil surgery a week on
Tuesday. So, this is going out on the
Saturday. A week on Tuesday, I'm getting
literal ball surgery. Uh, again, to
improve fertility and also improves
testosterone. I'm going to do a vlog
about it, of course. Ball surgery vlog.
Uh, I'm paying a lot of attention to it
and
I look forward to being a dad. I look
forward to having a family, but I'm glad
that I closed the loop on a lot of
things first. you know, I don't feel
like I've got unrequited
dreams from my 20ies, from partying,
from being liberated, from, you know,
being able to have adventures and stuff
in that way. And um the show as well is
stable now. And it wouldn't have been
that way. If I'd done it earlier, it
wouldn't have been that way. So, I've
reached a particular type of escape
velocity or momentum that I can take
advantage of. So, uh when am I going to
settle down, have kids?
Soon, hopefully. Jay Hansen04XD,
how much do you credit this success,
your interview with Finn Taylor? Uh,
100%. Actually, it's very interesting
that you say that. Um, I am kind of the
last guy in the human centipede with
Finn Taylor being at the front and any
scraps of success that I have managed to
achieve uh downstream from him. Uh, that
being said, Finn Versus the Internet is
one of the best new podcasts that I've
listened to. Everyone should go and
check it out. And also, if you haven't
seen me on Finn Taylor's show, just
search Finn Fin versus the Internet, uh,
Chris Williamson, and you will watch me
get roasted harder than I ever have been
for a full 30 minutes straight. So, if
you feel like you
hate me for some reason and want to see
a really witty
comedian tear me apart, you can go and
do that and maybe that'll make you feel
happy. Casper 11, are you going to see
Sleep Token on their upcoming US tour?
Yes, I am. I will be at the Utah date. I
think it's on Monday
the 17 somethingth of October. Um I am
I'm going to see architects this weekend
in Dallas and Houston. I'm going to be
taking the tour bus with them from date
to date. Uh I'm seeing Bring Me in
Dallas and Houston in a couple of months
and then I will be at the Utah date of
sleep token. So say hi if you're there.
Lorenzo
Lorenzo Sassalones
3759. Congratulations. You get the most
difficult to pronounce name after the
Nikki Nikki Nikki Nikki. I just got
diagnosed with tinitus. Heard you have
it too. Any tips? Sorry about that. Um,
mine comes and goes. I've had it and had
did have it for a long time and it is
[ __ ] ruthless. So, first off, it
sucks and I'm sorry. Um,
I have to say for me, carnivore diet, I
sound like Michaela Peterson. Carnivore
diet made a big difference. Um, being
low inflammation, low blood sugar helped
me a lot and I got out the other side of
it. And beyond the sort of background
hum that everybody kind of has a little
bit, um, tips for dealing with it. uh
tenitus is happening because there is an
absence of sound. I sleep with earplugs
in which means that's a nightmare. Try a
white noise machine. Um and crank it up
a little bit. Uh get a fan or an air
doctor or some sort of room filter that
makes a bit of noise. Background hum.
That'll actually sometimes bring the
tinus sound down because it helps your
brain to not have to fill in the gaps in
the silence because there's less
silence. So white noise fan something
like that that might help too. and low
sugar diets. Maybe try meat and fruit
for couple of weeks. See how you get on.
David Scadron, who wins in a fight
between you and Lex Freedman? Lex is
Russian and a black belt in Brazilian
jiu-jitsu. We all know how this is going
to end up.
Uh, I'm going to leave it there. We've
I've done an hour and a halfish. Um, one
thing I do want to say actually before I
finish up, it's like just the OGs at the
end. You know, this is 2:55 a.m. in a
nightclub just before they're about to
put the lights on and everyone's
desperately looking around for whoever's
left and sober that they can well not
even sober, whoever's left and conscious
that they can go home with. Um, you
might have noticed, or at least I have
today on this episode,
um, like my words per minute have been
higher. I've made fewer speech errors.
I've laughed more. Um, I've been more
energetic. I've seemed in better
spirits. And I'm just reflecting on the
fact that I haven't really got to feel
that for quite a while. I've been in
real maximum sad boy energy for over a
year now. I lived in hotels for 4 months
last year. I did a lot of things that
[ __ ] sucked, right? All the health
[ __ ] And uh what a what a nice
treat. What a joy. even if it's just
briefly for this time before the
hypothermia treatment reverts me back to
whatever else whatever horrible baseline
I'm going to live in for the next
however long until we fully fix this
thing. Uh I really enjoyed doing this
today and it's the most I've enjoyed
anything in a little while. So I uh I
hope that came across and I hope it
enlivened your day that you learned
something and tickets Chris Williamson.
Come and see me. New York, Boston,
Denver, Nashville, Austin. No, Nashville
sold out. Austin, Salt Lake City, bunch
of other places, Chicago.
Chris will.com/morbooks for a list of
100 more books that you should read
before you die. I'll see you very soon.
All right. base.