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The 28c3 Security Nightmares session provides a critical retrospective and forward-looking analysis of security trends, contrasting past hyped threats like Bluetooth range limitations or internet refrigerators that failed to materialize as feared against emerging realities such as the rise of startups leveraging location data. The discussion highlights severe risks associated with Internet of Things devices, where remote combustion incidents could cause real-world fires in appliances like printers and fridges, while also noting a significant drop in black market prices for stolen credit card details and account access. In response to these challenges, German authorities aim to eliminate zombie PCs through new initiatives, yet the session points out that government web servers are still cheaply available on illicit markets and that major failures continue globally, such as Israel's resident database compromise or Austria's struggles with health card data leaks following scandals involving flawed e-government models. The conversation extends into the realm of mobile technology and cloud infrastructure, exposing vulnerabilities where users unknowingly accepted spyware like Carrier IQ under false pretenses to improve network quality, while carriers began removing it due to controversy. The structural integrity of internet security is questioned through the lens of SSL certificate authorities described as broken by design, allowing potential government infiltration, alongside concerns over IPv4 depletion which necessitates NAT usage despite delays caused by corporate inventory issues like Xerox's stockpiles. Furthermore, the session addresses the evolving nature of cloud computing, describing accessible botnets with superior support compared to shadowy alternatives and raising ethical questions about inter-cloud non-attack pacts between major providers following a denial-of-service attack originating from Amazon Cloud that targeted congressional networks. Looking toward future developments in 2012, the speakers warn of widespread broken locks due to manufacturers' slow update cycles for chip standards like My Fair Classic, even as new technologies propose storing genetic data on identity documents or implementing DNA-based locking systems. A cultural clash emerges between hardware industries preferring physical replacements over software updates and users fighting to maintain ownership against devices becoming mere usage-rights vehicles restricted by corporate "city-states" controlling OS choices via UEFI/BIOS settings. The segment also touches upon privacy clashes involving self-conversations recorded in cars with AI assistants like Siri, which raise legal questions about telecommunication definitions, while battery life remains a limiting factor for surveillance applications despite rapid technological advancements and the ongoing transition challenges from IPv4 to IPv6 that could lead to network disruptions or expropriation scenarios.
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Yes, good evening. As always, the last event of the congress, "Security Nightmares." We want to talk again about what happened in 2011 and what will happen in 2012. This time we have a small change because after 12 years, it's time for a bit of variety. Well, not really a change. If you look at the title, it says " Brainstorming and Hall Discussion." That's how we started, very well. I think the hall discussion aspect has diminished a bit over the last few years, at least that's my impression. And we want to reintroduce it more strongly now. Which means you can already start thinking about what you want to laugh at next year and what you think is likely to happen, and slowly make your way to the microphones. The rule is a short statement. So, one of the reasons why we moved away from the discussion a bit was that there was obviously something in the drinking water that led to such long monologues. And since we now—well, I just got the consumption figures from MTE, so I assume that most people are drinking Mate— We've been drinking and there's no drinking capacity, so we assume that this time you'll be able to limit yourselves to very short, concise statements at the microphones. Yes, we're also counting on the fact that it's now four days long and people simply wo n't have the stamina for long statements on the fourth day. This is the second event; we notice this every year with organizers. We also assume that it won't be the last, although the May calendar says December 22nd next year. So we simply assume that it will obviously be a mistake because of the implementation. The concepts will be fine, but the implementation will, as always, have errors. The agenda is, as always, about the security nightmares we want to talk about—not always seriously, just the ones we want because they might change something and shake things up. We've seen some interesting things this year where you'd actually say, " That was obvious anyway," but just because it's now become clear in a certain way, they will change things and then, of course, perhaps think about which security nightmares we don't want. Because, as always, be forewarned and be prepared. To be forewarned, where being forewarned perhaps simply means not being surprised, not being caught off guard by anything. That's why we do it this way. And so, the general impression we had looking back on the year is that it's always moving forward, right? So, really, always onward, but actually not really forward, just onward. Exactly, let's do a little audience survey. For whom is this the second Security Nightmares event? Okay, and who has secretly seen some of the old recordings? Uh, fans. Okay, good, then the fifth and the first. Okay, yeah, not so bad. So, we had a few twelve-year-olds here, but I think less than a handful. A few more five-year-olds, but that was only about 50 or so. And we also had about 50 one-year-olds here. That means the rest are less than 5 years old, but more than a year old. Okay, Melfeld, exactly. Good, then we'll begin. As a special highlight this year, we have a retrospective on the year 2001 because, even if it might be surprising, that 's now... Ten years ago, and we didn't accidentally see all the slides. Yes, we talked a lot about wireless in 2001, like Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and so on. Yeah, that was the total hype. Or they talked about Personal Area Networks, and then what came next: Body Area Networks, City Area Networks, and so on. And then the networks always had these three or four circles around them on the slides. Yeah, and it was always funny how they looked like circles, right? So you always thought, so nicely enclosed, finally. I mean, this thing, this idea, radio waves stop at the receiver. Exactly, that only goes 5 meters, definitely no further. Not even if someone's holding a Pringles can. Yeah, internet refrigerators. Who among you has an internet refrigerator? They promised us internet refrigerators. Well, I actually saw some once, but it was really just that the refrigerator had internet, for its own amusement or something like that. But somehow, no one has discovered how to actually do something like that yet. Luckily. Yeah, that'll come with smart... uh... with. The smart home, no, with the electrical ones, with these smart meters, will internet even reach the refrigerator? Yes, although I'm somehow getting into these, so smart meters, we'll get to that later. Yes, we've already had printers this year, oh, we have them, they're coming, yes, excuse me, I skipped the remote heating meter reading because we wanted to skip it, because there was absolutely nothing to say about it, just a totally boring topic that you don't really need to deal with. There's absolutely no need to look into it any further. So, printers/copiers with LAN, there was this, that, a lot has happened in the last 10 years, but this year we had the highlight with spontaneous remote combustion. That's really extreme, I think, when suddenly the internet reality enters real reality through flames. So, especially if it doesn't just happen in the basement of the nuclear control room, it happens right there on the desk, right? Exactly, so we know what's coming when internet refrigerators are finally available. Then it depends on the content, what happens then? No, well, there 's a heat pump in there. It doesn't pump, it can of course also pump backwards, but then I don't get an automatic oven, so the feature is then called pre-cooked. Yes, we were already dealing with mobile phones back in 2001, you know, mobile phone premieres are like the running GCK of this show. We actually predict every year that the mobile phone Trojan will come, the big one, exactly. And looking back, the real joke was that we thought Nokia and Microsoft would last that long, it's amazing, isn't it, how quickly something like that can happen. So, I mean Nokia, we thought about 10 years ago that Nokia would somehow start producing rubber boots again or something because it might be more profitable than making phones. Yes, but 15 years ago there was a company—oh, now comes the age test—15 years ago there was a company that advertised itself with "We are the past, present and future of network computing," and they were even right at the time. Who remembers that? No, no, what are they today? Did n't they buy Linux? I think they're essentially patent holders. Yes, is that... Right answer, good, yes, the SA, the thing with the smartphones, um, we thought it would happen with smartphones. Who among you has ever had a mobile phone Trojan on their phone? Okay, wrong, wrong question. Who among you has a friend who has ever had a mobile phone Trojan? Well, actually, two or three. If the story is funny, then the microphones are good. And family support cases about mobile phone Trojans. Who here still doesn't have a smartphone? That's practically a quarter. Not so bad. Do you feel safer then? How nice for you. Yes, that's what you believe. Yes, one of the things we thought would happen in 2001 was location- based spam. So, you're walking around, you go " B" and up ahead you can buy some coffee or something. And interestingly, it hasn't really come true so far. There are a few startups, like forosquare, that are working hard to finally make this prediction come true. So, we also look at it with great sympathy because we always like to be able to say so, even if it's 15 years later. Yes, back then we thought the The carrier will be Bluetooth, that obviously didn't work at all, but now there's low-energy Bluetooth, Bluetooth 40 or Low, yeah, but I don't think so, no, no, if anything, it'll work via the central network. More hope for near- frequency NFC, so in my opinion, NFC offers a lot of hope, so you can definitely say there's a lot to be gained there, especially with the NFC Android stacks. You can certainly look at a lot if you have a long winter afternoon to spare. It's also funny, the story isn't about a long winter afternoon, or um, I was so bored on Sunday afternoon, but the story is now my girlfriend left me and I was in a bad mood. Yeah, and with this NFC, you can also somehow get the money to do something about the bad mood, me. By the way, when was that about putting an RFID chip in every banknote? Yeah, that was in 2001, banknote chips, banknote chips. Nothing happened, or something. Obviously, there are still enough people who want real cash or something. Yeah, one thing we had in 2001 was GPS. Boofing and yes, TMS boofing, GM boofing—both happen. We had an impressive use case this year. Not threatening to shoot down drones in the desert or over water, because the last rumor was that they had, and well, yes, TMS boofing has also been produced here and there, even a few years ago at the congress. But that implies that such a drone from the Americans has a sensor they trust less, or I mean this drone from Per for €100, it has an ultrasonic sensor facing downwards. Yes, and if you were to install GPS and then say that GPS is more accurate than the ultrasonic sensor, well, then at least it would n't fly away over clumps of grass like it does now. Okay, you have to set priorities, yes, but well, yes, as for how exactly this whole boofing story went down, there are still several stories and rumors. The actual truth probably won't be known, at least not for a while. They say it takes about 15 years for it to come out, and probably no one will care anymore because it's totally normal for some drones to be boofed. police drones or similar things get away and/or fly somewhere else, fly long distances where they shouldn't really be flying, yeah, so maybe we'll finally get one, um, anti-drone, yeah, also Malchen, yeah, another hobby of ours was cross-platform worms, there were some interesting approaches that didn't really materialize until JavaScript came along, and there's still a lot of hope there, yeah, but not that, yeah, not an operating system, or so that was a bit optimistic, I think, yeah, maybe, yeah, and 25 years ago the first PCVUS was developed as protection against pirated copies, you have to remember that again, that's funny because then 5 years ago there was this Sony rootkit story and this year there was Carrier IQ, so that's not against piracy, but of course for, what do you call it today, quality assurance, and then there was this scare, yeah, with this gaming platform thingy, where they, where, some kind of game rootkit, Origin, oh yeah, Origin, exactly, yeah, the one that was there at first, but then they did, they did a lot of things They were just relying on people installing it anyway because they want to play Halo, as always. Mine was another classic example of how the gaming industry always manages to ensure that pirates get much better software quality than if they buy it. I've always seen this when Fefe starts saying around Christmas, "Yeah, I'm going to buy a few more games." Oh God, now he'll probably be in a bad mood for weeks. I already know that. You can just leave it at that. Then, exactly, the internet normality comes from figures from 2011 and partly from the end of 2010, just to show how things are right now on the internet. You can now buy normal website hacks for $9.99. Account access data costs between $80 and $700 depending on creditworthiness. The same goes for credit card data, $2 to $90 depending on creditworthiness. Recently, the price was high again due to oversupply. That's exactly what I found funny. Oh, he has some for 10 cents, and how much is that? How much is there, uh, 10 cents for Visa Gold? We have inflation, that means we're talking about pharmacy prices here, you say, or maybe they're just quality providers you've chosen. Then I found the purchase via straw man funny, $100 if you don't enter your own address with the stolen credit card, but that of a straw man. Because I think we didn't have the topic of straw men for internet purchases in our list, in our preview for new professions. Yes, that was an oversight. Yes, yes, I also found an ATM nice, so a special ATM with extra features, but otherwise in the original for 35,000, and please place it wherever you want. Yes, and there are still people who pull things out of the wall. Yes, also exciting. Government web server. Rest, the account on a silver platter for 49, but more like smaller countries, or I think it was the US government web. Yes, yes, there's nothing to be gained there, right? Oh, you, so account access data up to $700, government route. 500, they're just in debt, right? Maybe more than that, just a decorative item, a luxury item, a luxury item, yeah, yeah, you have to, what should I take now, the iPad or the USB drive? Okay, yeah, the infection rate is supposedly relatively high, no idea, does this number come from an antivirus developer or something? Yeah, of course, sure, sure. So, 31% of all EU citizens had to deal with a virus in 2000 or what, in 2010. That fluctuated, of course. Germany was, I think, 22%, which I found rather high or something. But then there's also the other number, namely one government cyberattack per week, and according to our Interior Minister, those are the successful ones, so one successful government cyberattack per week. So, if we calculate backwards from the number of successfully installed Truana, I think both... You mean they're parting out as they plug in? Yeah, that may be. No, the question I'm asking myself is, of course, what does " success" mean? How far did it go to call it success? Does that mean that an employee's computer somehow registered with the botnet command and control? Has or what, well, probably, so yes, and we're supposed to have between 350,000 and 500,000 zombie PCs in Germany, according to the BSI, but of course that's supposed to be down to zero in two years because of the AB Center. Yes, I actually think it's good that my government is somehow preparing for the zombie apocalypse. Exactly, and because it 's so terribly bitter, maybe there will be extes with a BSI engraving or something. And because it's so terribly bitter, there's also the fact that in 2011 there was only one mobile phone manufacturer that could do patch updates over the air without having to consider carriers, and actually did it. No, there's nothing to applaud, there's nothing to applaud, that's obviously far too few. And I would have, and two others at least have the infrastructure to do it too, and at least one would have understood, I think. Think for a second, think for a second. What really gets to me is that it's not Microsoft. Yes, the popular category " government progress." Yes, you know how we measure that, so government. We measure e-government progress in the past primarily by looking at how much data a government has lost. The logic is quite simple: if there's more data, more data is lost. So, the more government you have, the more data is lost, meaning more data loss. Logically speaking, progress... The clear winner this year is definitely Israel, as their complete resident registration database (ABH) has been compromised. There were rumors at one point that the complete census data had been lost in England, but that apparently wasn't the case, or at least they were able to successfully contain it. And since the voting machine massacre in Latvia in recent years was quite excessive, and we also have a setback in e-government, Austria has also issued a corresponding ruling. They are now moving away from these countries and trying to implement it elsewhere. So, it's clear that if it no longer works in countries like Germany and Austria, you have to put the junk somewhere. And now, as we've recently seen in Russia, I was shown pictures of Mr. Putin yesterday. The election, where his side went into this thing that looked kind of shredder-like, we thought, well, maybe it was just consistent, it shredded right away, but no, it's an optical scanner, so that means you throw it through this optical scanner into the ballot box and then you have an electronic and paper result. But there were also touchscreen voting machines, which means, interestingly, the OECD department that was actually supposed to take care of the election review had absolutely nothing to criticize at this point. So we can definitely hope for further progress, if not in K, but definitely around it. Yes, cyberweather, we've already had that, so quite clearly we had an incredible number of cyberweather exercises this year, and they were all a complete success. Yes, that's no mistake, which is why there were so many reports about the complete success of these exercises. What exactly they practiced remains a bit unclear. I have this idea of ​​something like that: standing in front of a large map of Europe, pushing small plastic figures around with virtual bombs, and digital tanks, are there? A pincer attack via USNET or something, yeah, but we're still waiting, as I said, for leaks of the images. Then there were those... uh, yeah... last year, at this point, we had this topic: Research in Motion versus India, Saudi Arabia, what was that... nought Arab something, Emirates, and things like that. Of course, by now you can put any government on any platform where information is exchanged. But the only ones who still managed to shoot themselves in the foot again, without any PR issues, were Research in Motion. Because they managed to produce headlines in England like that they will help suppress the protests there and the organization of the same via Blackberry Messaging, uh, yes, to suppress them, to suppress them, yes, so the PR department of RIM must have real specialists sitting there, the health card was enforced, um, that means there is more data to be obtained, exactly, progress, that is progress, h, but look, you first have to enforce such a platform, right? And then people get used to it, then you can build on that, then you can build on that, and then the data can be removed, exactly, that is always the natural course of things, and they had an innovative story, I don't know, was it confirmed that actually on some health cards of people who did not submit pictures, data actually ended up with the registration authorities, uh, but wasn't it actually said that the registration authorities do not store the digitized pictures from the identity card, well, okay, so anyway, we definitely have significantly more progress to record, if there is already a network of health insurance companies and Registration authorities exist to guarantee access to images; one can only speak of progress there, yes, one has to keep an eye on it, no question, certainly much is still to come. Customs is also thoroughly digitized, but then there was this small incident where their system, called Patras, fell victim to a somewhat lengthy hacking attack where, among other things, data on GPS tracking of suspects was to be obtained. So it was obvious, if one can believe the reconstruction of this attack, that it was rather extensive, something like Trujana on an employee's computer and from there the various servers owned and read along for quite some time. Also very successful. This year the Federal Finance Agency was involved in digitization, but we had to point out a tiny little problem to them, although to this day we are not really sure if it is not a feature. No, I thought you could get loans for that, especially for people in higher government offices. Do you think so or not? Yes, so it was probably just a special access route. Oh, we now have a Cyber ​​Security Council, that's also a card with Plastic figures and stuff like that, which I took down again, we'll save for now. The Data Security Foundation, data protection, data protection foundation, not much has happened there yet. Yes, although you could perhaps call that progress because they rammed a path and now do absolutely nothing. So, they did do something, but nothing happens. It 's good if nothing happens in the area of data protection for progress, you mean? Yes, yes, yes. There have also been setbacks. Internet radio, unfortunately, didn't work out. Elena also failed provisionally. ePerso, unfortunately, also failed provisionally for now, but ePerso could still come. It's still a candidate for... yes, as I said, Warcuter in Austria. The Constitutional Court is obviously not very open to the idea of ​​progress in e-government. Another very nice product, namely the stat trojan, which ca n't really be used right now. A serious setback for government. And yes, open data, yes, very, very bad news, probably. There is a declaration of intent from the federal government regarding open data, i.e., government open data, like data.gov in the USA, to be transferred to the stat in Germany by 2013. Bring it up, and if you haven't looked at data.gov yet, then you should, it 's extremely interesting. Rumor has it that he started something in the US three or four years ago, and it essentially helps the authorities themselves because they no longer have to ask another agency if they can have their data, and then the political games begin. Instead, they now have to export all their data to data.gov and can then import it from there. We now have this letter of intent, which is also good because then you don't have to do anything for the time being. What we don't have is a right to a machine-readable government. Yes, we still don't have that. And so one of the things we actually want, along with this open data thing, where it's still a bit unclear what the real results are, is actually a license that ensures that the results are made just as open as the data. Because currently, we have the situation that with all open data initiatives where there is... Real estate data and similar information primarily benefit people, specifically those who already benefit economically within this society. Therefore, if such open data initiatives are to be implemented, they should be tied to a license that ensures, for example, that the results obtained from computing this data are available to everyone, such as a CC attribution and derivatives license . When I saw goov back then, I thought, "Oh wow, yes, in two years at the latest, we'll see incredible things because all the data will be there, everyone will be able to access it, and then there will be enough statistics freaks who will absorb all of that and then tell the United States government things they have n't even come up with themselves yet. And that will catapult them so far ahead that we here in Europe will be left completely in the dust." That's what I thought. And then nothing happened in the last four years. Now, of course, you can excuse that by saying, "Yes, they still have to normalize and harmonize everything and agree on all the units and whatnot." But I think what I want to see is so that when you have to ask, "What did you actually do with the data?" I want to see which IP addresses, which data, and how often they query. That also has to be published. Yes, regarding data crimes, uh, yes, what was very common this year was... well, getting away... Excuse me, I have one more setback we should n't leave unmentioned. A terrible setback! We still have this serious security vulnerability because we don't have data retention. It's an unbelievable step backwards that really shouldn't go unmentioned. Just the potential for data loss alone—what's that? It's truly regrettable. One can only complain about it, which some of our politicians are doing. This year, all sorts of databases have been compromised. It's practically de rigueur these days when linking to hacked websites, not just the page itself, but also the entire data set. And what's interesting is what's in there. These days, it's impossible to keep track of everything that's been hacked. Another webshop, another webshop, another webshop, another webshop, another dating portal. Oh, okay, there could be another webshop, another webshop, another dating portal. And now there are other statistics, namely the relationship-finding statistics in Germany. How many, what percentage of all singles meet online? I think we've already exceeded 50%, haven't we? I still have that in my head. I mean, maybe I didn't get it from any source, but over 50%, especially the younger generations, or something like that. The other day I was sitting in a café and at the next table two middle-aged women were talking and they were saying that hanging out in bars is n't worth it anymore, the guys there are all totally jaded. You have to go online. I've done that too. Oh wow, yeah, so that's where we are now. Okay, so whatever the number is, I have over 50% in my head. If it's a third, that's still a lot, and it's increasing. That means people are all going into these kinds of portals, posting their stuff there. That's because it's public, they'll all hold back a bit, but things get serious in the chats, in the private messages. Yes, private messages, so in the initial contact after reading some interesting profile. And that's going to disappear, okay? That means you can tell everyone who's doing that, there will be more and more people doing it, and it's going to disappear. That means we'll all Regarding post-privacy passives, there are still people who actively engage in it; these are the activists. But then you get labeled a post- privacy advocate. The argument is that once it happens to everyone, it ca n't be embarrassing anymore, and it can certainly be used against you. The interesting realization is that there are always people who say, "I have nothing to hide." Right? You certainly don't have anything to hide, or never have. Who wouldn't I be hiding from? If I were sitting here, would I have something to hide? The question is always, "From whom?" And we will have to discuss this more intensively in the near future because what's behind it all is, of course, the question of power. Who has the power over this data? Who concentrates it? Who can access it? And what are the consequences? This very question arose with the topic of Carrier IQ, the mobile phone spyware, which has sparked lengthy debates about what it actually spies on, what data is transmitted, and why. And what I found interesting about it was that my American friends occasionally made the accusation, "Yeah..." Well, don't be so silly. If they did n't do that, they would n't be able to improve network quality. That's what they were saying. The last time I was in the US, there were these huge posters advertising "Now with fewer dropped calls," you know, for fewer dropped calls. The last time I had a dropped call was when I was going 180 km/h on the highway and entering a tunnel. Maybe the problem lies elsewhere, and not in the fact that this software hasn't been installed on mobile phones in Europe yet, but possibly in shoddy infrastructure. Yeah, I definitely found the reaction interesting, that there were apparently a lot of people who just blindly accepted it, saying, "Yeah, that's just how it is, that's how it has to be, because otherwise the carriers can't improve their networks." It's fascinating, though, that you can see they all totally need the Carrier IQ software, that they're all so attached to it. No, that's not true at all. Sprint is just dumping it everywhere now. The network quality will definitely plummet. Yeah, tomorrow, exactly tomorrow. Yeah, well, we don't need anything. To continue, SSL certificate authorities have fallen left and right, and uh, I think we'll get to that in a bit more detail later. I don't know, we'll get to that later. So, the ones I'm talking about, SSL, are kind of broken by design, and uh, now they've made it a total disaster. But it only really became a total disaster when not only the governments that already own and infiltrate these certificate issuers gained access, but suddenly Iran did too. At that moment, everyone realized, oh, now it's really broken, because now the others, who actually... well, the principle behind it is... uh, it's abbreviated in the intelligence world as "Nobody But Us," and something similar seems to have been at work with these SSL certificates as well. In any case, it's clear that all these PKI structures... yes, we built on pretty much quicksand. And the interesting question that concerned us was, these are systems broken by design, with some kind of central authority. One of the last major systems that fell into this category was GSM, so also kind of flawed from the beginning, so that the government could somehow eavesdrop. SSL was also broken by design from the start. If you look at how the development of SSL and SSH diverged, SSH was developed by the Nords so they could log into secure machines. SSL was designed in a way that allowed them to simulate security, which could then be suppressed or hidden if needed. And what we were wondering about, but have n't quite figured it out yet, is what the next broken-by- design technologies will be. Does anyone have any ideas? Tetra is already broken, isn't it? Well, Tetra Crypto is just a derivative, isn't it? No one has any ideas? Well, it's broken if no one uses it. You mean broken in this case. It was definitely one of the things we're looking at this year, because it was a fairly large-scale, extensive attack whose consequences still haven't been fully resolved. What was the situation in the industry? Did people buy new tokens? You don't need new tokens, there wasn't a problem with the old ones. Oh, so there was no problem, yes, but they still shipped new tokens starting in December because they had a better design, I mean, nicer plastic, or no, the old ones weren't broken, and the new ones weren't broken either, so there was absolutely no problem. Did n't you read the press release? I read... ah, there was no problem. Okay, so everything, but there were still new tokens. So there was still a point in time when new tokens were shipped, but no problem. Yes, that's good. Problems are always annoying, aren't they? It was, it was, it was... well, yes, well, anyway, they never sent the people to the crisis PR training because none of them were there, or they still have the folder shrink-wrapped on the shelf and never looked at it and then could n't find it in the rush or something. You mean they went there and were just drinking and chatting? Yeah, sure, what to do at the training, right? Yeah, T Stream NAG on the internet, that thing with the airgap, or that thing with the airgap. Has anyone ever seen an airgap system? Yes, yes, I have. Yes, yes, good, yes, okay, fair enough. Has anyone ever seen Ergt systems that don't Ergt The question of whether airgap is valid was very justified, but I don't think Wi-Fi counts as airgap. Does anyone know someone who's seen an airgap system that wasn't really airgap? Well, I'll keep all that to myself. Yeah, those SCADA numbers, or that was probably something like that. Yeah, the technician always has to go there to reboot it. Ca n't we at least put a tiny little button on it? And then there was that great case where they were ventilating for five days because the water pump control of some waterworks in the USA said SCADA attack. And then it turned out that it was just the technician who logged in from his vacation to check if everything was okay from the internet cafe. I think, I think he was on vacation in Russia, so I guess it 's a cyberattack. Yes, bring out the tanks, cyberattack! Well, yeah, now I'm so torn. Or I initially thought we'd get a round of applause. Microsoft shut down Autoran for XP this year after all. Yeah, so... A round of applause, and now you can all shout out your hatred again that it took so long. Oh yes, then we have to point out the biggest phishing campaign ever. You might have come across it as Verified by Visa or Mastercard 3D Secure. Look at those pop-up windows that keep appearing and look so incredibly fishy. It actually happened to me. I was just about to buy something from a webshop, and then I thought, "How do I show this?" Oh, credit card, no problem. So I clicked here, and then this thing popped up that was somehow tacked onto the website with those stupid flashing things. And then the graphics weren't scaled properly; it looked totally fake. Yeah, I thought, "They're trying to scam me, right? You can't be serious that if I enter my credit card number here, they want to force me to enter some kind of PIN for the first time using some absurd form, which is supposed to secure my transaction..." For the next 100 times, yes, of course I couldn't see whether it was SSL or not, so not simply by looking for where that lock is, but the lock is n't visible anymore anyway, I've removed it now, the one under the AdBlock button. Frank Ron here, hello over here, sorry, other page about the verified Visa. Have you noticed that all the data you have to enter to verify your card is on the card itself for the first time? Yes, yes, so that's the scary part, I mean, it looks like I'm sitting there from a shop I do n't really trust anyway. Then some other things pop up that look as trustworthy as anything but trustworthy, and then you can of course say, okay, forget it, may I, may I? Just a quick note from the specifications: this isn't entirely correct. There are different ways to implement it, and there are also different methods specified by the individual institutions or by Visa and Mastercard themselves, but it's definitely the case that you also have to enter other parameters. There are various banks in Germany that, for example... Integrating your date of birth into it, or other verification methods, yes, it's just as ridiculous, but hey, it's job security for all of us for the next 30 years, don't get upset, and if not for us, then for the Fischers people. Yes, but we would like to point out again that the real scandal is not these usability issues, but that you always get new terms and conditions, and the terms and conditions simply shift the blame onto you. Yes, exactly. So, while it has been the case so far that you are usually relatively well off, especially with credit card payments, if you have some kind of problem or the webshop has messed up the data, these verification methods, just like the PIN for credit card payments in real life, are primarily intended to transfer part of the liability to the customer. And you have to look very closely at that. There's also this thing you have to look very closely at: what's this obscure thing called, instant payment or something, where you have to enter your account details in some kind of fishy format? I know. No, and a fir tree, or yes, yes, yes, and the fir trees, so it's just completely, completely unbelievable, really great, yes, as I said before, source repositories were quite a significant trend in 2011, uh, a lot of things disappeared, and which brings us to the interesting question of how much of it was open source repositories. Who actually still reads this source code? Who among you actually reads source code? At least... okay, and now hands down, PP source code reading, okay, nobody understands. Yes, yes, okay, yes, drone use in Germany, threat hacking, we'll certainly have a few more of those who... okay, the hijacking, we've already had that. What was also exciting is that, I think, for the first time this year, a US drone was used in Germany. It became known that it was used... it's been used for a while now, yes, exactly, the first time. Headlines about it, and in Europe it will soon be the same. So, in the Bundestag, the first reading of a law was discussed. Yes, at Kastel, they used these small drones that threatened various other threats, so what... yes, quadcopter style, is what they're talking about now, they're really big. So, these are drones in the 150-kilo class or larger, for which they want to change the airspace regulations so they can be used. These are things that can circle for several hours and don't necessarily need an operator with a radio remote control. There's another new development with these drones: it's become known for the first time that autonomous drones have engaged in friendly fire and killed their own people. Yes, that's true, that was previously reserved for pilots, but now it's also possible with autonomous drones. So, we see there's technological progress. Although, it must be said that many of these drones aren't even necessarily armed. But the type of reconnaissance they conduct has a lot to do with looking for patterns. A group of people moving in a certain way is then identified as a target. I expect that will happen to us domestically soon. Yes, we already heard yesterday that they're using Facebook for Mafia Wars, which I believe happened in their drone control centers. Yeah, they're just computers, right? So, they have PCs and lots of screens there, and sometimes you do n't need all the screens, and then it might get boring when you have to fly such long distances. You know how it is in other games when you have to walk such long distances, so you do something else on the other screen. And if you have Wi-Fi, then you also have an air gap. Gaddafi, I think it's just a new day now, somehow. With Gaddafi, drones were used in his assassination, and with Osama, Obama, the use of drones was crucial, right? So, I changed the release standard for the targets. There were also some nice videos of demonstrations in Moscow, wasn't it Moscow, where the demonstrators used drones to show how many of them there were? Yes, yes, that will clearly increase. So, this is simply this topic of counter-publicity or something like that. Drones are extremely valuable. Oh, so, Hash algorithm collision denial of service. How's the fallout? Has anyone heard anything? Is the internet already shut down? No, it's... Okay, just listen up to the microphones, listen up to the microphones, listen up to the microphones for the keywords for 2012. We do n't want to do this alone, but let's start with what we thought would happen with smart meters this year, since they 're mandatory in Germany, at least since the beginning of the year. You can opt out, though, and by the end of last year, the first providers were already available where you could buy a smart meter. It only cost a few hundred euros to install, and then just a few hundred euros more to have and use it, saving you a few cents. Accordingly, it was a resounding success, so successful that Google and Microsoft withdrew from the business. Therefore, we don't have much hope that the " blinking light" for city districts will happen at the smart meter level. We're actually relying more on Skadar. That sounds plausible, yes. So, in the FAQs about smart meters from the manufacturers, the question is also raised: how? We didn't patch that, he answered yes, over the airgap or something similar, over the airgap and successfully, no, that's how he answered, how they patch it, they know they probably have to patch it, yes, so the last time I did remote updates, that's good, they just think they can do remote updates, it's probably SSL secured and we also have a A certificate, so SSL secured, yes, definitely. Not last time, it's not SSL secured. The last time I looked at such a power meter, admittedly about three years ago, it had the design specification that it had an approximately 8 megabyte firmware image, and they had roughly between 5 and 7 kilobits of data bandwidth for this electricity meter and wanted to do online updates. I found that a very bold design specification. Nowadays, these things want quite a lot of GSM, so I do n't think we need to say much about GSM network infrastructure, or do we have someone on the microphone? Yes, I would like to see for 2012 that people like state secretaries or employees in political offices are exposed via Facebook, like those who do astrurf with things like J Stylo, which we saw here yesterday at 4 p.m., this authorship detection. Yes, you mean copy-paste detection in government documents. Yes, so that we can see, aha, these and these linguistic features, that's so- and-so employee from so-and-so political office who's doing astrurf here. Yes. That would be a useful application, yes, let's try it. Regarding GSM, I don't think we need to say much more, it's been sufficiently covered. The point with the GSM network infrastructure is that the modernization backlog, or whatever it's called, the innovation bottleneck, isn't really the issue. The standards are written, but they aren't implemented. So, the standards that would ensure the infrastructure would last another year, they simply are n't implemented. I think that's what we're taking home from this congress, and it's becoming less and less fun. And then there was also a question about whether a censored network is actually worse than a shut-down network, or vice versa. That will probably keep us busy. Does anyone have a strong opinion on... well, um, as for V4? The story that really worried me about V4 was when someone told me that people who are very intensively involved with this V4 to V6 transition, that at least some of them are now learning practical professions, like... not bank clerks, that's how it was described. Well, you can see that... A tanker truck drives past you at a relatively high speed, and it's apparently full. After a while, it comes back, and the driver jumps out and runs. What do you do then? Do you stay put or do you run too? Anyway, for 2012, I think we could say that we need to take a closer look at this V4 to V6 situation. There could still be some interesting disruptions. Yes, there's still potential. Of course, you can always kill it all off; that's one option. The next option is perhaps expropriation. Those who have large Class A networks that could theoretically be rerouted could be expropriated, at least their IP addresses. Communism, yes, yes, if the Hamburg-Berlin ICE line was made faster, then in such cases, a little bit of expropriation is always necessary. Yes, and this is a railway line, and then I'm reminded of the data highways. You mean building rights for the data highway in... Creating IP space, yes, freedom of construction is probably the key word. Yes, Xerox, for example, I think still has relatively large inventories, but well, it will probably only delay things a little more, but maybe by the crucial amount, so by the crucial amount. Anyway, our recommendation is definitely that if you're still building anything that needs IPv4, make sure it works with NAT. Yes, Claud, one of the interesting news items from the nokwa, when I asked about the incidents earlier, which I 'll report on in a moment at the closing event, was that we actually had a denial-of-service attack on the congress, uh, from the Amazon Cloud. Yes, and and and and now the question is, now we have to find the culprit, so someone will have messed up the non-attack pact, presumably, and whoever did n't sign it and fax it away. The exciting question is, does the Amazon Cloud actually have a non-attack pact with the Google Cloud? Yes, so, what does such a cloud actually look like? So, are there lightning bolts there? Didn't someone say yesterday that Only Google, only with Google, can you only make Google disks with Google's resources? How does that work? Amazon versus Google, who would win? I think Google, but Microsoft is the answer. So yeah, we were discussing a bit about what actually happens with all these clouds. I mean, a cloud is like Steve Ballmer with a suitcase chained to his hand, to his wrist, with a red button. So a cloud is actually nothing more than a botnet, which you can buy much more conveniently than if you buy a botnet yourself. You know, with botnets, yeah, botnets are much cheaper, but you have to kind of descend into shadowy corners of the network, and then you don't know what's behind your credit card number. That's a bit of a thing, and they're so inconsistent. Well, you can, of course, just buy a credit card number to buy botnets, that's possible, but you can also go with this credit card number and just buy Amazon quality service with support. Well, so we see this whole topic of cloud, so, putting aside the stupid term, you can also A whole lot to do with it, and with a T at the end, yeah, oh, I already said, the congress, now four days, lasts a few years, and it doesn't pass by unnoticed either. But since we're on the subject of spelling, someone recently told me the reason why we're seeing more and more "idiot spaces" in the German language, you know, words that are actually written together with spaces in between. The reason is actually T9, right? So, when you tap on your phone, this speech correction, whether you use T9 or just the normal input correction, does n't work with compound German words. And what you type all day and then correct, the computer corrects for you, right? So, the computer says, " No, you can't put that together like that," so it must be wrong. And accordingly, more and more people are starting to write like Ron sometimes does. Okay, the token apocalypse, exactly, tokens. We all know them. The bank sends you, usually one or two a year, some kind of plastic thing where you have to insert chip cards and tap on them somehow. Displays show information or are directly connected, then communicate via SSL directly with the bank, supposedly, and it's hardware, right? Hardware has to be secure. Hardware authentication tokens are somehow the last resort against the nasty Trojans on computers, we all know them, and we say that in 2012 there will probably be a slight readjustment in the perception of security because these tokens, if you look inside, well, they usually just contain a processor on which software runs, and PHP—did someone say PHP? Exactly. So, one of the quotes that came from someone researching in this area was that it gives the impression that the P-code has now arrived at the hardware level. Also, an interesting detail: we already talked about the new identity card earlier. The electronic identity card, the new identity card, is now called the new personal ID card. We think we've also somewhat blurred the term, and the electronic identity card, or new identity card, or new electronic identity card, is actually, when you think about it, when you consider these features... Unlocking a kind of single sign-on token, a thing that allows secure hardware access to services, is interesting because even people from government agencies responsible for anti-illegal matters are quite concerned. They think, "Well, then you have all identities pooled on one of these documents, and if that gets cloned, captured, or otherwise misused, it's about as good as getting rid of fingerprint biometrics." Because you only have one record, and everything then becomes intertwined. Another thing we definitely expect to see some very interesting developments in 2012 is the new identity card. There's another e-government advancement coming, maybe not for 2012, but perhaps for 2015, because they finally want to store genetic data from subcutaneous samples in the newly available data fields. We can look forward to further progress there. And then the term "toen" takes on a double meaning... Since you only have DNA once, how does that work? Like the Berlin police license plate and Eisbein (pork knuckle)? We don't know yet; it's still in the early stages of research. Hopefully, we'll see the SPE (Single Perimeter Encryption) system, where they briefly insert the ID card into the shoulder for sample collection, or something like that. So, before we have DNA-based locking systems, they'll be making a quick prick every time someone enters. We'll have fun with electronic locking systems. There's a pretty large proliferation of chip card systems that have already been cracked, like My Fair Classic and others, which are suddenly appearing in apartment and office doors. So, dealing with these standards is something you always think, "No, you hear at conferences and talks, like, My Fair Classic, which was broken four years ago or so, is long gone, you don't have to worry about it anymore. No one will ever use it anyway." Do you think it's something like a security guard? No, it lasts forever, and so on. These locking system manufacturers are similar. They have such long lead times that they're still installing things like My Fair Classic in locks they're selling new these days, the ones that are just coming onto the market. Consequently, we'll probably see a whole bunch of broken locking systems in 2012. What's interesting is how they'll patch it, how they'll deal with it. The lock industry is used to saying, "Well, if it's broken, you just have to buy a new one," while the computer industry says, " Okay, it's an update." This culture clash is going to be very interesting. They're all talking wirelessly to each other now, aren't they? And how does that relate to NFC in the new phones? Well, there will also be phones that you can use as access control tokens. I already mentioned that earlier. The question is, doesn't Apple know not only how many Wi-Fi networks I 've walked past, but also how many doors I've gone through? And they'll tell me what I've moved through? Yeah, you can write a nice application for that, like "Computer Door Opener." But... I think since... Since... Since this... This week, Siri will also be available in the Android Market from [company name], and the publisher is the official app. You mean for family emergencies with Android TR, which we missed earlier? Yes, install it, then you can get in touch. Yes, another topic we've been dealing with for a while: corporate franchise city- states. What we mean by that is, the future is clear: you eventually choose your city-state, either by being born there or by rebelling and moving out, in which you want to live. Of course, it's corporate-sponsored, or something like that. Facebook state, Google state, Apple state—look it up. What's the literature on it? The beautiful one here by Neil Stevenson, Snow Cash, and so on. And there we see the precursors, so that's what C ST 10. We already said last year that 's Apple Camp, and the Android Camp, and the Facebook Camp. And Amazon also made a massive push this year. So, Google with Google Plus, that's clear. Then they bought Motorola, but of course, they don't have any plans for that. There's nothing to see there. Move along. And so, first leave your real name, but then please move along. Exactly, and one of the Things that are very much in that direction, also as a talk at this congress, namely the abolition or threat of general-purpose computing. What we're seeing is that more and more devices—things that used to be called computers but do n't really deserve the name anymore because they're now just like pets or something—are coming onto the market, and you'll increasingly have to search if you want a real computer, something you can program, where you can easily get a shell, and which you can actually still control to some extent. And of course, these corporate franchise city states have a great interest in this. The interesting question, sorry, is this general-purpose computing thing. I mean, I have a computer here, and I can install whatever I want on it. I can only do that for historical reasons. If they could, they would only sell us hardware where we can download things from the Apple Store or Android Market or whatever. The reason they don't do that in some places yet is that, historically, it can't be any other way. And now that's all being shut down, and then this will happen. New BIOS technology, what's it called again? Something with an egg, something like EFI, UEFI, right? That means they also want to include what we still call laptop PC bells and whistles, and that has consequences, of course. For support within the family, it might be advantageous, but for everything else... and the interesting question is when, if, and how many people will still be left who demand this unrestricted access when ordering, saying, "I'd like a priest box cutter." Yes, a priest box cutter, that's something, isn't it? What a break we might also experience is tolerance and Grab Crypto, because Grab... with Grab, they want the GPL, and for that, all the hardware keys have to be publicly available. That will keep us quite busy, too. Yes, you mean Boot Crypto, yes, exactly. Or there are these great statements from, I think it was Gigabyte or MSI, who simply said, "Yes, whatever, you want to have other operating systems besides Windows on it." Yes, who would want that anyway? Although, by now, you get the impression that as a Windows 8 user, you 're somehow already more... So, in such a, such a, yes, fringe group operating systems, users, I think what we have to learn is that hackers are no longer the majority of computer users, such a huge fringe group, a very small group compared to all the people who want to use computers. Therefore, the needs we have are becoming less important for manufacturers. Well, what does that mean? What's the message? Buy me computers so we become more important than... No, the message is quite clear: we simply have to ensure that the devices we buy remain our property. That means everything related to jailbreaking, uh, free BOSS, and similar things will become increasingly important. Access to this hardware will be crucial. So, that means maintaining and supporting it so that we can continue programming on it as we want, and the hardware remains ours if we bought it and doesn't just become a usage rights vehicle that we rented after putting down a few euros. We definitely have to work hard on that in the coming years. Yes, everyone wants to become a platform, um, everyone will become a platform. Everyone will choose their platform, and for others, the platform chooses. The user often enough also both, right? So if you're a citizen in, I don't know, Apple City State, then it's still possible that you still have a small, pariah-like citizenship in a Battle.net City State. Yes, yes, as we've seen in recent weeks and days, and at the congress, there's something where you have to proceed with a bit of caution. So, where we somehow thought there were definitely people who were responsible for the air gaps, and these are all things that move large amounts of mechanical energy and are still controlled by computers, so you should perhaps exercise a little caution. So, if you see something on the other side of the terminal that might look like it could be a train or a ship or something, maybe briefly assume that it might not be a simulation. But we can learn from the future; we all know how it will go, because it's already happened. You don't see that on Starship Enterprise, it's such a thing, it's clearly always traveling in enemy territory, often enough, and yet you can just tear off the panels at every corner. Yes, then you only have to... If you turn the dial deeply, do you have something where you can hack the encrypted board codes to take over the on-board computer? Is that appropriate? And now I'm wondering, of course, what does that mean if I'm sitting on the train with my square drive? Only if I have a floppy disk am I a danger to the train, or at least to the seat reservation display. Is that still the case on the ICE? Okay, so we hereby demand... we hereby demand... uh, no, we point out... we... we... we are quite modest... we point out that... computer nerds... and I recently... Tim recently tweeted and said that, in his opinion, the BahnCard 100 is now a status symbol for nerds. That makes me very nervous... so many nerds on trains... resistance... we point out that nerds are distracted as long as the Wi-Fi works. It was a very bad idea to switch it off again on airplanes. Another short tip from practice: if the Wi-Fi costs money, they also like to occupy themselves with exactly that... yes, that's an important safety notice... is correct... yes... hello... hello... I also wanted to say... yes... everyone We all, or rather, every single person in Germany, has a car. I don't know if you know this, but there's a computer in there, or two, or three, or even 80, and, um, yeah, it runs. These are also... The aim is to get the same operating system installed, and perhaps the new updates for the Priority should also be examined more closely. Maybe there's something to be gained from ST. There's nothing to be gained there, it's all SSL secured. Exactly, BMWs are now connected to the internet via an iPhone anyway. Such a wise decision, no, it saves a lot of work, it's called Connected Drive. Yes, dear people, what we will see in 2012 are PGP-encrypted or signed spam emails to bypass the spam filter. This will in turn have the effect that encrypted emails are simply filtered out as bad, which has the effect that no more encryption will be done. Now we ask ourselves who initially sends the spam emails. I've already seen signed spam, but the signatures were broken. Then we have the, uh, new professional field of social network relationships. I wanted to add something else about encrypted emails. De-Mail should actually be considered a step backwards in progress. It does n't work, does it? Well, technically it probably works, but nobody uses it. So actually, we considered it a step forward because it It's progressing, isn't it? I mean, there was some kind of press release, some ministers who said something about it, and some providers who felt compelled to support it somehow. People are writing emails, the emails are being stored, do we already have millions of users? GB? Oh - postal mail, exactly. Yes, well, who are you coming from? You always get a bit confused by it all. Yes, well, the social network relationship, yes, the new business area, obviously, that you can now buy relationships. Does anyone know how many relationships you have to maintain to make a living from it? Who has friends, and so on, the answer is the right one. Yes, exactly, and quite, yes, then, oh yes, that was very nice, wasn't it? So, in the USA, there was this little mini-scandal or something, where if you ask Siri where the nearest abortion clinic is, you often don't get an answer because none of the clinics in the area are called abortion clinics, and they don't have it stated anywhere in their service description that they perform abortions. Instead, it says something like, I don't know what it says. Yes, anyway, the profession, and yes, something like that. It says pregnancy optimization, but it does n't say abortion. No. That was clear, and that's why we'll urgently need metadata optimizers who are able to optimize the relevant data so that it can actually be found. Yes, that's something you can definitely do. Virtual sock puppet crowd juilp. I don't know what 100 well-intentioned Wikipedia users cost. There's already a price list for that, isn't there? Oh well, not relevant. Yes, one thing we'll certainly see in 2012, in the wake of the general economic crisis, is that a lot of companies will simply go bankrupt because they no longer earn enough money, but they still operate services that people still want. And that's probably how it will be, we see it, the new business field of keeping zombies alive, of keeping things, or rather companies, alive somehow. Yes, we already had trend sports. The metadata optimizer, but what do I mean? Is that the metadata optimizer in quotation marks, who then optimizes the metadata so that when you search for abortion clinic, you end up at the CDU headquarters? Yes, data hygiene in 2012 is getting more and more difficult. Yes, I think so. It's crazy that people are still worrying about whether it's okay to somehow store location data, especially since smartphones are practically medical devices these days. They have a motion sensor that's incredibly sensitive. If you pick it up in the morning to check what's been happening on Twitter for the last four to eight hours, it can actually tell from the trembling of your hand how low your blood sugar is, or still is. And of course, you can use that to create trends. The thing knows where you are, how you're moving, which direction you're looking, and so on and so forth. These things have a metal frame; there's absolutely no reason why you should n't be able to measure galvanic skin response, or skin resistance, through that metal frame. That means you've got your lie detector built right in. Um, what? Oh yeah, there was that great proof of concept where someone put a smartphone next to a keyboard. I don't know, it was never an IBM 101, but one that went clack-clack and then vibrated. You can draw conclusions about the password used, so these sensors are already pretty powerful, and we haven't even seen what you can do with them yet. Some things will cost so much battery power, a pain station, exactly. Yes, well, a quick note about the zombie companies, life support. As I see it, that already exists, that's the bank bailout package. Yes, you also had that video Barbie, no, no, that one, yes, yes, God. Well, I was n't actually finished yet. My always-on speech recognition is the next thing. What's coming up? That thing with Ice Cream Sandwich, where you can log in with your phone's face? That's a joke compared to what would actually be possible if you just shook your phone around a bit. Then you slowly get 3D, and there's much more possible, as we saw with the Kinect FusionTalk, which was really quite impressive. Infrared sensors for distance are also possible today, and at some point, it will also be possible to read the heatmap for the face, which will certainly be exciting when you get this data in addition to the image. So, the discussion about whether you might The position is already problematic, but what else is possible becomes interesting, and then you remember the video Barbie from December 2010. Buy your child a Barbie with a built-in video camera to record unguarded moments. Early training is key, and there will be progress in biometrics too. We already have the first prototypes of biometrics in cars that also capture the rear body shape to identify the right driver—yeah, exactly, the drive-by butt print. And well, I mean, it's always a relatively unchanging characteristic, so not so bad, but you'll have to start paying attention to which seats you sit in, right? Because the next thing you can imagine is Starbucks coming along and building custom inflatable cushions that you can cut underneath yourself to hitchhike other people's cars. Okay, yes, we've already talked a bit about privacy expectations, but it will probably come to pass in 2012 that we see more clashes between what is actually technically implemented and the expectations people have regarding the privacy offered by a platform or technology, and these clashes are also likely to be significant. More important than formal legal violations because it's about what people think actually happens to them, and the interesting thing is that there was a discussion about this this year. Apparently, there was this one person whose wife disappeared without a trace, and they bugged him. They bugged his car and recorded his conversations with himself, where he apparently made suspicious remarks to himself. So, he wasn't on the phone; he was talking to himself in the car while driving. Then there was a discussion, and this was recorded. Now the question is, can this be used against him? Um, because he wasn't on the phone, which is what they're allowed to eavesdrop on in quotes? But is it a conversation with himself, the same as thinking or not? And I don't know, it raises the question for me: if a tree falls in the forest and the tree can assume that it wo n't be heard, can that be used against it? So, it's already getting philosophical, or perhaps the law will be derived from it. Um, yes, that was one of the questions that was very significant in the city's discussion: what constitutes telecommunication and what doesn't, and whether telecommunication also exists between people. and machines can take place, and the question, for example, whether Siri still counts as a machine or not will also be interesting, right? So, these are exactly the questions we'll be dealing with quite intensively next year, namely, how the legal framework will be structured, what kind of communication can be made available to the state, under what circumstances. We're then dealing with this construct of the legal construct, also the legal construct of the average educated citizen, and what can they expect, the ability to talk to themselves, and where they're only in the car, and what is a soliloquy if I, if I, if you open a window with yourself? Yes, all of this leads us to the realization that, at least until these questions are clarified and a technical implementation is possibly found, the battery life of, for example, a mobile phone is the actual limiting factor for all these surveillance applications. That is to say, we all actually want more battery life on our phones, but do we really want that right now, or would we rather take a little more time because everything else is developing faster and faster, but battery life seems to be the limiting factor. I'm currently feeling a bit down, which might be a good thing. In that vein, does anyone have something really important? We're a little behind schedule with the ISC. The IC is asking for a vote, sort of a survey, about what kind of encryption is used in the WLAN networks. Which networks have access points in the WLAN networks in recent days? It's about this; apparently, it was also done last year. What percentage? Ask the audience. Yes, I know the question: How many networks do you see when you open your computer at home? Those who don't see any, raise your hand. Wow, those are the farmers. Five people who don't see any WLAN when they open their laptop at home. Who sees more than 50? Okay, those are the insiders. Okay, who has more than three? About everyone. Everyone who sees WLAN. Who still sees any unencrypted networks? And who sees ones where the SSID makes a political or religious statement? Okay, even 30. Yes, okay. Well, if no one else has something really important, 3, 2, 1. Then thank you very much.