2026-05-07 God is his Potter’ - Disability in Ancient Egypt (Kyle Jordan)
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The lecture explores the complex history of disability in ancient Egypt, challenging static views by emphasizing that this civilization spanned six millennia of cultural evolution rather than remaining unchanged. Scholar Kyle Jordan outlines three distinct phases in modern scholarship: an early period that viewed disabled bodies as grotesque or tragic; a subsequent social model phase that focused strictly on impairments while neglecting lived experiences; and the current embodiment phase, which integrates ontological realities to acknowledge both social constructs and innate bodily conditions. This nuanced approach utilizes diverse evidence ranging from bioarchaeology to art and texts like the *Instructions of Amenemope*, where "god" refers to either deities or the king who held power over life and death. Archaeological findings reveal that disabled individuals, such as dwarfs associated with Bes or those depicted in farming and priesthood roles, were integral parts of community identity rather than social outliers.
Jordan further illustrates how ancient communities enabled disabled people through "affordance," allowing them to hold positions of authority despite physical differences. Examples include a curved-spine overseer holding a staff, blind musicians portrayed with age-related features, and King Tutankhamun using walking sticks that symbolically allowed him to trample enemies despite his clubbed feet. The discussion also touches on mental health through medical papyri like the *Ebers Papyrus*, which attributed psychological symptoms to spirits or heart conditions, reflecting an ancient understanding of psychosomatic illness found in texts such as "The Discourse Between a Man and His Soul." Specific case studies highlight this inclusion: Senb, a dwarf priest whose statue displays symmetry with his family; Roma the doorkeeper who commemorated himself alongside others along processional routes; Dorom 1999.32 ("the Lady of Akhmim"), buried with a non-functional prosthetic hand symbolizing transformation akin to Osiris's myth; and Gas Galius Herogynes, a blind Roman citizen in Karanis who successfully petitioned the governor against mistreatment while asserting his rights as both a disabled person and a citizen.
In the Q&A session, Jordan addressed additional topics including military service, life expectancy, and specific accommodations. While conscripted soldiers existed during Pharaonic times without a professional standing army, significant state support for veterans is better documented in later Roman periods when many retired soldiers settled in Egypt to manage lands. The example of "Ghet," an individual with cerebral palsy who lived into her sixties—far exceeding the average female lifespan of 25–30 years at the time—demonstrates that disabled individuals were cared for and led full lives rather than merely surviving, a point supported by bioarchaeological evidence showing widespread conditions like osteoporosis in younger adults. Regarding mobility aids, while specific accommodations cannot be fully verified today, staffs were common, animal-assisted transport was rare due to biodegradable materials, and frames assisting walking appear in Greco-Roman art.
The session also clarified that no physical examples of military prosthetics exist from ancient Egypt due to the lack of a professional soldier class, though Roman history provides documented cases like Marcus Sergius Silus who fashioned his own hand attachment after losing an arm during war. Regarding deities for long-term disabilities, Thoth (god of wisdom and medicine), Isis (magic and healing), and Imhotep were identified as primary petitioners, with mythological connections drawn between Horus's lost eyes becoming lotuses used in pain relief. Although there is no definitive evidence for guide dogs in ancient Egypt despite artistic representations from Pompeii showing blind individuals guided by them, the overarching conclusion remains that wisdom was not exclusively tied to age or able-bodiedness but could be encoded within disabled bodies through ingenuity and adaptation. Ultimately, exploring disability in antiquity enriches our understanding of ancient societies while informing contemporary attitudes toward embodiment, inclusion, and justice.
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Well, wonderful. Uh, welcome back to our
BAD Museum and, uh, archaeological
research facility at UC Berkeley talk
series. Uh, I'm Aaron Brody, uh,
director of the Badday Museum at Pacific
School of Religion. I'd like to take a
moment to highlight our theme for this
year and to briefly discuss, excuse me,
how our series promotes social justice
issues through meaningful dialogue.
The body museum is an institution
dedicated to advancing knowledge of the
archaeology and history of the ancient
Levant. Over the course of the last few
years, we at the museum
um have realized that such knowledge is
enhanced by reflecting on and engaging
with perspectives that have largely been
ignored by modern-day society and as a
result have been erased from mainstream
historical narratives.
The body museum particularly welcomes
scholars who are presenting marginalized
perspectives that contribute to creating
better equity in scholarship and society
more broadly.
This year's series disability in the
ancient Middle East and Mediterranean
lists up the experiences of people with
disabilities whose voices have been
typically overlooked in the study of the
ancient world.
This program bridges the past and the
present through study of disability in
antiquity, its contemporary reception,
accessibility, and its continuing impact
today, contributing to a more nuanced,
inclusive, and complete narrative of the
past.
So, it is my distinct pleasure to
introduce our speaker.
Kyle Lewis Jordan is a freelance
archaeologist and curator who
specializes in the study of disability
in antiquity.
Born with cerebral pausy, he studied the
archaeology and heritage of Egypt and
the Middle East at University College
London's Institute of Archaeology. after
which he went on to curate multiple
exhibitions on disability in the ancient
world and archaeology for the Asholian
Museum and Pit Rivers Museum in Oxford.
Uh and the ver ah this is going to be
hard to pronounce but I'll I'll work on
it. Uh Veril Mium Museums in St. Albams.
Sorry for the butchering of that name.
Alongside uh continuing to work in uh
the museums and heritage sector as a
curator, educator, and consultant on
disability, Kyle is also independently
continuing his research on disability in
ancient Egypt and received a research uh
associate ship from the School of
Advanced Studies National Center for
Academic and Cultural Exchange in
support and recognition of his work. And
congratulations on that. That's
fantastic. Kyle's talk today is titled
God is His Potter, Disability in Ancient
Egypt. Uh, I'm thrilled to hand over the
floor, so to speak, to Kyle Jordan.
Kyle, the floor is yours.
>> Thank you ever so much, Aaron. Uh, I'm
just going to switch to my presenter
view. Uh, yes. So, uh, does everyone see
that? Is that sharing the right screen?
Are you just Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Wonderful. Okay. Uh good morning,
afternoon, and evening to those of you
joining us here today from wherever you
are in the world. It's an absolute
pleasure to be here to deliver the final
lecture in this lecture series dedicated
to exploring disability in the ancient
Middle East and Mediterranean. And I
want to express my thanks to Aaron, the
Bardday Museum, and the archaeological
research facility at UC Berkeley for
this opportunity to come and share with
you today my thoughts on some of the
evidences for disability in ancient
Egypt. Over the course of the next half
hour, half hour or so, I will attempt to
give you an overview to our approaches
to thinking about disability in
archaeology and how that maps onto our
evidences for disability and impairment
in the Egyptian archaeological record.
What I hope you will take away from this
talk is not only the wealth of evidence
we have, but that lived experiences of
disability in the ancient world were
complex and that by considering them, we
not only gain a deeper appreciation of
the complexity of the ancient world, but
our own as well.
So to give you a bit of background as to
my approach as a scholar to the study of
disability in antiquity, let me first
tell you a little bit about um what I
would like to refer to as the phases of
disability in historical and
archaeological scholarship. Uh this was
partly already touched upon in a
wonderful talk that Hannah Vogle gave in
this series that was looking at abbleism
within the discipline of disciplines of
archaeology and Egyptology. But to just
go over it briefly, I tend to break it
down into three phases. One I would call
a kind of dichotomy phase. And this is
where in response to the growing sort of
cultural and social awareness of
disability as a category in the later
part of the 20th century, scholars were
beginning to look towards their own kind
of areas of of study and think about
disability for the first time. However,
they were often holding it in this very
dichomous mode where it was kind of
always seen as the binary to enabled
experience and therefore always the
worst thing. So we have this initial
framing of disability always being the
bedrock and uh in the case of uh Henry
Jack Stker history of disability
antiquity as well is the bedrock of all
history. So going back into the far
ancient past, he's saying, "Oh, the
little we do have just uh illustrates
the absolute derf of the of of of
existence essentially." So completely
tossing it out of hand. Uh likewise,
Robert Garland's eye of the beholder is
uh regarding the disabled body in art
and literature from the Greco Roman
world as utterly grotesque. Um he holds
it very much in contempt. Uh the second
phase then becomes this response to that
writing based on the knowledge that was
created from what we refer to as the
social model. This idea that disablement
comes from society and from systems that
are made to disable others. And so it
does push back against this dichotomy in
the sense that it's saying that it's not
that simple, not that straightforward.
Um and so there's been some great work
in that space. However, it almost goes
to the other extreme where it says that
because there isn't a terminology or an
idea for disability in the ancient world
like in the ancient lexicons,
therefore we can't really consider that
and all we can consider is the
impairments. Um, and while that is
important, I think it sometimes
overlooks the ways in which the
experience of disability and disablement
is also something that is innate to the
embodiment of those impairments and
those relationships that that kind of
forms with communities and societies.
And so, uh, where we are today is what I
would refer to as the embodiment phase.
And so this is um a larger with the
larger infranchisement of disabled
people in universities pursuing subjects
like archaeology and disability studies.
We're seeing an increased focus on what
we refer to as the ontological
experience of the body in the past. So
ontology is the idea of of experience
that that that sense of the body how we
experience things. So in archaeology,
we're starting to think more about how
things might have been experienced and
thus ideas and knowledge of lived
experience of impairment and disability
um and disablement become a framework.
These for right now are mostly coming
out in the form of uh edited academic
volumes and thesis uh but show a growing
potential for the consideration of
disabled lives in the past and the and
the effects that knowledge has on our
present day questions and attitudes. By
considering disability as a social and
cultural object in and of itself, we can
consider not only the systemic
applications of disablement, but also
theorize the disabled person's direct
lived experience. Still retaining that
nuance of the social cultural phase, but
applying it more critically by changing
the focus away from the non-disabled
gaze to the disabled reality.
Um so in that sense embodiment
approaches disability seeking to
encapsulate uh all of these experiences
from the various models of disability.
Um and in that way we need to not
confine ourselves to just one way
approaching the evidences we find for
disability and impairment in the ancient
past. This also helps us to engage with
one key aspect of disabled people's
lived experiences in the present moment
which is that the complex nuances of how
we feel and experience our body minds
that is body and mind both in relation
to ourselves and others. For sure we
reject the seeing of our bodies in a
purely medicalized view yet our
embodiment may still require significant
medical attention. Likewise we may
acknowledge that many of our
disablements are socially constructed
and can be dismantled and should be. But
there is also space to consider how even
with such barriers removed, our body
minds will remain the same and so our
social and cultural experiences will
still present differently to others.
With all that out of the way, I always
feel it's relevant as well when starting
these talks to remind people about when,
where, and what we are when we're
talking about ancient Egypt. It's worth
bearing in mind that this is a both
geographic and temporal space that uh
spans almost 6,000 years. So our
archaeological record is quite vast. But
that means we have to consider all of
that time and all of that change that
was being experienced. So there is no
kind of one uniform way of approaching
the idea of disability for example
because there have been a multitude of
cultures that have settled in the Nile
Valley over those 6,000 years. So when
we approach the evidences we have to
consider that kind of um those modes of
transition and transformation between
cultures. Uh we also just have to bear
in mind that the Egyptians as a whole as
a collective are experiencing a world
that contrary to what we may imagine is
not static. You know, it's not fixed in
one place. The Nile River does not stay
the same for 6,000 years. Every year,
right up until the building of the NASA
Dam in the in the in the 1950s, 1960s,
it's flooding every year. So, that the
channels are changing and that affects
people's lives and as a result also
affecting their bodies. It's it's a it's
a risk. It's a danger. uh as well as
with the for uh the the the wildlife
that is living there like hippopotamuses
for example as you can see on the on the
screen and this is something that the
ancient Egyptians were particularly
culturally attuned to right so that kind
of manifests in how they're also
interpreting themselves and their
relationship with the natural world
around them so I think that's just worth
bearing in mind as a foreground when
we're going in to talk about um
disability in ancient Egypt specifically
that this is the cultural context in
which we're finding them and that again
because of the span of this time there's
a lot to kind of get through and can't
be just um neatly prescribed in one way
or another.
Lastly, I just want to touch upon uh the
title of this talk, God is his potter.
This comes from a a passage of uh what
we refer to as wisdom literature in
Egyptology. Um and this particular piece
comes from what is known as the
instructions of Eminem hope. So this uh
was first penned we believe sometime
near the end of the new kingdom. So
Egypt's power in the world is declining.
Uh things are changing rapidly. There is
there's a kind of degradation of the
central authority of the king. Um and so
uh elite people and non- elite people in
first waves of the of the land are
trying to figure out what comes next.
And so Aman Hope is writing to his son
to kind of give him moral instruction on
how to deal with these vastly changing
times.
And one quite uh commonly quoted passage
from those instructions is chapter 25.
Uh and it reads, "Do not laugh for the
blind man, nor taunt a dwarf, neither
interfere with the condition of a
disabled person. Do not taunt a man who
is in the hand of God, nor scowl at him
if he ers. Man is clay and straw, and
God is his potter. He overthrows, and he
builds daily. He impoverishes a thousand
if he wishes, but he makes a thousand
into officials. Um, and what I think is
really important to take away from there
is that the term god, lecher, lord in
ancient Egyptian, it can refer to the
divine as in Horus, Rah, Amun, those uh
chief gods. But it can also refer to the
king. And later on in this talk, we'll
touch a bit about the role of the king
um with the body in ancient Egypt. and
in particular with disability. But just
hold on to that idea. God is his potter.
He overthrows and he builds daily.
So all of that out of the way, what
evidences do we actually have? Well, I'm
going to run through some examples with
you. Going back to the earliest times in
ancient Egypt when communities are first
starting to form. One of the earliest
kind of practices that we see in the
creation of bo images of the body are
the creation of what we refer to as
p-ynastic ivaries or p-ynnastic
figurines. Um and what's notable amongst
them is that across uh their production
we see so many examples of for example
people with dwarfism as you can see on
the uh left and on the right. Um but
also we find images for example of um
what uh for example in the center in the
uh top uh right we have a woman um
showing possible kosis so a slight
curvature of the spine. We also have
examples of individuals whose limbs
because some of these ivaries they're
they're made in one single piece but
some are made with detachable limbs. So
we have examples of ones where limbs can
be detached. Um but also they're not
shown as just being static as as being
in in just one single uh kind of mode or
or or position. Uh we do find examples
like in the bottom right of the center
of um people with dwarfism in roles such
as giving child care and and and giving
um uh yeah child care. Sorry, I don't
know why I got caught up on that one.
But the point is is that it does show
that not only are they being
incorporated into communities and
recognized within communities, but they
are playing an active role in these
communities. And so it's about creating
identities and these identities continue
to be carried forward such that when
these practices of creating ivaries um
evolve uh to creating these very ornate
examples which we find from the city of
Hieropoulos which is the city of the
falcons. So where kingship in ancient
Egypt really begins. Um these ivaries
were buried around early kind of
representations of the king. Um and what
they show is um beyond just the
embodiment is this idea of a shared
identity um around the king with these
rippled hairstyles, these kind of wigs
that they're wearing, the wigs that kind
of later go on to be the symbol of of of
the elites. Um, and so it's showing that
not only are these communities again
recognizing embodiment, but they are
going out of their way to incorporate
them into this new identity. And uh, on
the left here, I have an example of
what's known as the stealer of Nefa, uh,
which comes from the first dynasty. So
when kingship actually becomes
established, Nefa here uh which
literally means beautiful uh at the top
of his stealer we see the um ideoggram
for a little person uh deng uh he is the
first known courtier named Cortier in um
in ancient Egypt which I think is quite
cool. Um, so you can see how this kind
of leads on and these this is this is a
continuing practice. And as we go even
further, what's noteworthy is that this
then culturally evolves over time
because like I said, remember this is
6,000 years of history. So the Egyptians
are reexavating their own history as
they're responding to say the flooding
of the Nile and and the shifting sands.
So they're finding these older images
and they look at them and they go, "Wow,
those are our ancestors. We should, you
know, we should bring this back. we
should connect with them. And so these
representations of dwarfism in
particular are quite noteworthy because
they lead to the development of the idea
of the god Bez. Bez uh is a part man,
part part man with dwarfism, part lion
um who becomes very prevalent from the
middle kingdom onwards and he is often
associated with the protection of
mothers and infant children in the
household. Um, and what's so special
about him and why I love him so much is
that he while he is seen as a minor
quote unquote god because he doesn't
have his own temple. He is very present
in the material world of the ancient
Egyptians. He takes the form of many
many things from jewelry to uh cosmetic
pots as you can see on the slide there
to bed posts to door frames to feeding
bottles for children to the pots that
hold the very essential grains that feed
everyone. He appears everywhere from you
know the lowliest household to the the
realm of the king the opening slide and
and here I have this tile of Bess from
the palace of Ramsey's II at Pamesa.
This is from one of the private
apartments of the of the king uh and his
family. So you see that for everyone in
Egyptian society, this protective uh
image of Bez becomes incredibly
important. Um and the fact that you know
they incorporate the the disa what we
would recognize today as the disabled
body into that shows that they don't
immediately come with these um
preassumed assumptions about the
capacity and capability of the disabled
body as we do in the present um and with
like those early scholarships I
mentioned in the in that kind of
dichotomy phase that would assume that
this was an outlier. Well, no, it's not
an outlier. It's actually something
that's very much um culturally ingrained
and considered in in the Egyptian mind.
Going a bit broader though, how can we
see other examples of disability in um
Egyptian art? So uh a recent study by
professor Samar Kamal of Minia
University in Egypt recorded an
estimated 83 represented disabled
figures in documented old and middle
kingdom tomb scenes and artifacts
representing a range of embodied
physical and sensory impairments across
a variety of professions. So some are on
the screen here but I'll read them out.
So we have herdsmen and farmers, dancers
and musicians, serving staff, metal
workers, lever and rope makers,
servants, but also high status roles
including priests, local governors,
overseers, and supervisors.
So, um, what that can kind of give us an
impression of and tell us is that not
only are they being recognized and their
bodies being encoded in these ideas of,
for example, with dwarfism and bez the
idea of care, but they're also um
demonstrating how in Egyptian society uh
where a lot of emphasis was placed on
the idea of collective
um kind of stewardship and action
towards
uh the the the greater good, the idea of
art, uh justice and all good things. Um
disabled bodies and we can imagine by
extension minds are being included in
this in a variety of positions. Um so
that gives us another clue that um
disability in ancient Egypt isn't just
something that is passed off hand. It's
something that is very much committed to
memory. And that's the other thing that
we can take away from the fact that so
many of these kind of divergent bodies
are being encoded into the memorial
memory of the ancient Egyptians through
their tomb scenes. While these are not
usually public, right? They are they are
from within the tombs. So, you know,
living people would not be seeing them
once they're closed. The idea was that
because they have now been encoded in
this and there are they are therefore
the witness of the divine means that the
Egyptians wanted this to be remembered
for themselves for their own spirits and
minds but for the divine as well.
Um, and of course I should um recognize
um that we can also look at
bioarchchaeological remains. Um, and
I've only listed a few examples here
because if I was to list them all, we
would be here all evening. But suffice
to say this also gives us a good
indication of the presence of people
with dwarfism or the presence of people
with embodiment such as um cranial
dimmorphism or pots disease or um
cerebopaly even in the case of a woman
of a woman known as geet um who I gave a
talk about a few years ago. Um but I
mentioned these bioarchchaeological
remains as well because just like how
Rachel Kalisher in her talk for this um
series about the um burials in Megiddo.
Uh she mentioned how we do have limits
to our bioarchchaeological evidence. One
is that obviously they are very heavily
skewed towards the physical the things
that are not encoded not just in soft
tissues that do not remain but also in
the mind which also cannot remain. But
it's also the fact that um in Egypt's
case specifically the altercation the
altercation uh alterations sorry of the
body um are also important to remember.
You know these are not the people who
lived. They have been transformed
through the process of mummification
into the blessed dead. Their organs have
been removed. They have been bound into
cartonage into the mummy wrappings. Um
so they are a new being. So while we can
absolutely take some learnings away from
them, we cannot draw too many quick
conclusions because they only give us a
fragment of their lived experience and
their past. And so if we just read them
based on those few encoded signs, then
we tend to take a very medicalized view.
And then we also run the risk of drawing
too many quick conclusions about their
um their their burial and their and and
how how they were understood by their
communities. I use the example here.
These two pots on the very far left side
are from the burial of two unsexed
individuals with uh pots diseased. A
very early burial from the Adima
necropolis. And the archaeologists who
excavated them drew the very quick
conclusion that because these pots were
broken or or misshapen that they were
meant to parallel the uh buried
individuals quote brokenness or
misshapeness. But again, that's taking a
very modern lens view to the idea of a
normal body and therefore their bodies
being um unnormal for lack of a better
term when actually for all we know these
were just the pots that were ready to
hand because we find many examples of
broken pots in burial contexts and in
others that were still put to use. So
the fact that there is this uh you know
easy parallel does not make it uh the
actual case.
And there's also something um that I
want to touch upon in this idea of
encoding these these bodies into memory
isn't just um to show how they are
incorporated into the order of all good
things. It also gives us an idea of
what's something that um uh Mason Trader
touched upon in his talk about the idea
of affordance um when he was talking
about care for example and how
affordances are are kind of a two-way
thing in in which both the community and
the individual with the lived embodiment
plays a role in shaping how they move
and go about the world in his case with
his archaeology. But in in in our case
looking at the evidence we can also
think about that again in the terms of
the roles that people are playing they
could show signs of affordance. So the
fact that uh for example on the left
here we have this um copy of a plastic
of a young man with a curved spine who
uh we believe is meant to represent an
an overseer because he in his uh hand
that's down by his side it's got a
drilled hole which probably would have
held a staff of authority. Um, and these
statues as well, they're usually made
for for people who hold quite a degree
of of authority. They're they're they're
kind of commemorations for their own
burial. Um, so it shows there that
however his embodiment came to be,
whether that was um uh from birth or
whether that was developed over the
course of hard labor and therefore the
the kind of the degradation of his of
his stature was the result of that. he
is still being put into other positions
to to contribute to that work um and
being given that affordance to to enact
that work. In the same way when we think
of say the blind musicians uh that was
mentioned um by Eric Harvey in his uh
talk about blind Mesopotamians
uh that also shows a sign of affordance
because this example here in the uh top
right um is from an ostrich. So it's
like they are they're a sketch basically
of what would then go onto the wall.
It's not just the fact that um his eyes
are shut and therefore closed. Um he's
also very hunched over and he's showing
folds to his skin and that's usually a
sign of age in ancient Egyptian art as
well. So, so the fact of like this is
probably something that was on set and
and now he's kind of transitioned into
this new role. He's found a new place um
in this role as a musician.
Um and this is again backed up by the
idea um a concept in ancient Egypt which
is a concept of affordance which is the
staff of old age. This comes from a much
earlier piece of wisdom literature. Same
same category as that one I mentioned
earlier this the the the wisdoms of aman
hope but this is from the instructions
of Toteep. Tarotep was a vazier. So he
was like one of the highest officials of
the land and he is essentially asking
the king to to to be allowed to retire.
And in his opening kind of um speech to
the king of why he needs to retire, he
is listing all of these reasons why he
needs to retire. You know, his body is
feeling weaker, his eyes are getting
blurrier, his ears are getting uh deaf.
Um there are moments he cannot recall.
You know, he's he's losing his memory,
the bones are aching. um and he asks to
appoint this staff of old age. Um and so
what that is in the context of the of
the literature is that he's talking
about his successor in this case his
son. He wants to uh appoint someone who
can then take on his roles. But there
are a number of things we can draw away
from this. One is that um the staff is
both the idea of of of that kind of
support structure that transition away
from that form of work um and passing on
that uh that knowledge to the next
generation or the next person. Um but it
also can take the literal physical form
of the staff and in Egyptology there has
been this kind of push back this
resistance to uh when we talk about
staffs and staves because they are used
as symbols of authority. Right? So some
Egyptologists will say but that's all
they are you know that and and then so
when we look at them and we find them
say in burials um be that from
individuals right up to King Tuten
Carman as you can see an example on the
on the right uh we're often told oh but
they were just symbols so we shouldn't
think about them in their use which is a
bit strange to me because as
archaeologists we know that objects are
multimodal you know they can be both
things at the same time and that's also
another thing is that when we talk about
old age in ancient Egypt that is not
marked by an age category like it is for
us today. You know when we have an idea
of oh you retire by 68 in the case of
the UK for example and that's what makes
you old. In ancient Egypt age is marked
by the body. So all of these things that
Toteep has just listed are a sign of his
old age. It doesn't actually say what
physical age he is. So anyone can become
old by the by the transformation and
changes of their body over time. And so
these affordances both in the kind of uh
cultural understanding of that need to
transition when someone is no longer in
in in
enabled by the by by their work but also
that physical manifestation of the staff
and in particular with Tuton Carman's
it's quite um striking and poignant
because his as you can see on the screen
there are shaped in the form of enemies.
In this case it's presented as someone
that we would describe as Nubian. Um,
and that's an affordance for him in the
performance of kingship because kings
traditionally wore sandals in the form
of enemies. But because he had a
congenital clubed foot, um he could not
wear those types of sandals. He actually
had speciallymade sandals for him as a
do as a um a paper from Dr. Alexander
Morris um told us very recently. Um but
he could use his walking sticks to
throttle his enemies instead. So they
even give affordance to the king in that
performance of his power. Um so this
idea of affordance is not a modern thing
is is the sum of what I'm saying.
However, I ended on that um idea of
throttling the enemy because I do think
we need to hold space when talking about
disability and disablement in ancient
Egypt to also think about the king
himself and his right to maim. Um I
wanted to include this especially after
listening to the wonderful talks by
Julio Ramatswana and Karina Guerrero in
this series. Both of whom in in their
own ways touch upon this idea that we
call in disability studies the politics
of debilitation. Right? How how bodies
are debilitated by um power and whatever
form that takes to to exert to exert it.
And in this case we see that very
prevalently in the formation of kingship
in ancient Egypt. The earliest
representation of Pharaoh, the Nama
pallet, is a representation of the king
about to strike his enemy and trampling
his maimed enemies. Um, and those um
figures I mentioned earlier, those
ivaries, you know, the idea of
detachable limbs. Um, that is meant to
evoke the idea that the king can change
the body at whim. And so this takes us
all the way back to God is his potter.
He can make a thousand if he wishes, but
he can also he can make a thousand
impoverished if he wishes. That's very
significant. That's in his power to do
so to channel that chaotic energy. Um
though, and this continues on throughout
Egyptian history, but I want to draw
particular attention to Kakmway. Kakmway
like Nama before him is a unifier,
right? In the second dynasty, he uh
unifies the south and the north of Egyp,
lower and upper Egypt again. Um, and we
don't know why there was a division in
the first place, whether those policies
just kind of separated naturally over
time or whether there was civil
conflict. But what we do know for sure,
um, by Kaway's own dedication and it's
also, um, just as a a fun aside,
Caraway, this statue here is the first
ever statue of a king as well. So, it's
poignant that the first ever
representation of a king and the first
ever statue of a king both show these
signs of trampling and destroying the
enemy. On this statue, he numbers how
many northern enemies he he crushed.
47,29.
Now, as Eric Harvey pointed out in his
talk about Mesopotamian uh Mesopotamia
and how their numbers can be
exaggerated, they can often be easily um
timed by a route. For example, 47,29
to me feels a bit too specific. And even
if it is not the exact figure, there is
another thing we have to keep in mind.
And I I thought about this after
listening to Huli Rama Swana's talk the
idea that the enemy as a classifier is
not just a combatant. You know in in his
talk he mentioned how in modern conflict
today 30 about 35% of casualties are
children. So I think we as scholars when
we look at these images of king and we
look at these images of him smiting the
enemy we have to take that focus away
not just on the king in his display of
power but thinking about the
ramifications of that on the maimed on
the enemy who is the enemy and what
happened
so all of what I've shared with you has
predominantly focused on the body but I
also want to take some time to think
about um the mental mental health in in
in the ancient world or the idea of the
mind
um and where we might get some idea of
that as well. So Egyptian medical
papyrie compiled records of medical
treatments which provide a list of
observed symptoms guidance on treatment
and outcomes tell us that the ancient
Egyptians not only observed outward
physical harms to the body but also
deeper psychological ones. In the Ebis
Papyrus, one section is often referred
to by Egyptologists as the book of the
heart and speaks of symptoms such as the
narrowing of the heart. Because the
ancient Egyptians believe the heart was
the center of one's mind and memory,
this is often inferred to suggest
experiences of melancholy and
depression. These depressive episodes
were sometimes put down to malevolent
spirits and influences from the other
world who became unwelcome guests in the
body or heart of the patient and had to
be expelled by a combination of prayer
and herbal remedy which may in turn
suggest the ancient Egyptian physicians
recognized psychosmatic illnesses. In
some instances, these cruel spirits
could be the wandering spirits of the
undead who were unsuccessful in their
journey to the afterlife and thus seek
to exact their anger on the living. This
is one of the many reasons why the
ancient Egyptians went to such great
lengths to ensure a successful journey
for the deceased, including the in the
production of heart scarabs, amulets
inscribed with magical instructions to
ensure that the heart did not betray the
deceased by painting them in an ill when
it was time to be weighed against the
feather of mart. Again, this idea of
universal good or justice. The idea that
your own heart could betray you gives us
a very clear indication that the ancient
Egyptians both recognized and directly
experienced doubts of anxiety, inner
turmoil, and self-doubt. This is further
illustrated by the rich poetic pros
often known as the discourse between a
man and his soul in which a nameless man
struggling to understand the hardships
of his life and the perceived injustices
of the world around him has an argument
with his own soul about the point of
living. While not a direct expression of
suicidal ideiation, the story is a
reflective discourse on the meaning and
suffering, the meaning of suffering,
sorry, in human life. Its conclusion is
open-ended. The man and his soul
ultimately agreeing to face both life
and death together, regardless of what
the man chooses to do next.
So to bring our talk slowly to a close,
I want to just touch upon finally some
case studies where we can kind of bring
all of these um evidences together,
these examples and start to think about
okay well then how can this help us to
understand the lived experiences or or
cultural um attitudes of of of the
people who lived in the past. So I'll
start with again this idea of
commemorative art and we'll look at two
examples. The first on the left is a
statue of a man with dwarfism who we
know as Sen. His name literally means
healthy. Um and it also shows him seated
beside his wife Senate and with two of
what would ultimately be three of his
children. This statue comes from his um
masturb tomb in the Giza um necropolis.
He lived during the fifth dynasty during
the reigns of Kufu and um and his son um
and he was a priest but also he was an
overseer of um all of the palace um
courtiers who who had dwarfism. He was
also um an overseer of the granaries. So
he was and cattle. His his master tells
us that he had 10,000 herds of cattle.
Again, that number probably is an
exaggeration, but it gives weight to the
idea of his importance. Um, and in his
representation of himself, we can see a
very clear symmetry. Symmetry is very
important in um, Egyptian art and
iconography. Um, but traditional
interpretations of Egyptian art and
iconography would say that disabled
bodies are asymmetrical and therefore
don't fit. But very clearly here they
are making an effort to create that
symmetry with um his family cuz his
children are taking the place where um
in in mirror to to their mother mother's
leg. So it completes the picture but
also in his master batum um in
representations of himself we don't only
see him performing the role of overseer
in mirroring with his his wife
performing the role of caregiver to his
children. Um but we also see him uh
doing elite pastimes like sailing on the
Nile. Um and in one scene he is on the
barge and while that is being driven by
others attendance uh he is parting the
reads. So he is playing an active role
still in the driving of this bark. Um
and that again kind of goes back to that
idea of affordance. Um on the on the
right uh we have a stealer of Roma the
doorkeeper a much later representation.
Um and he is uh making an offering to
the goddess Estarte. Now again um
traditional readings of this have said
that well he's not Egyptian because he
is giving a gift to a non-Egyptian god.
Uh that is a gross oversimplification of
how um the ancients felt about the
identity of deities and where their
realms started and ended for one thing
but also just by looking at it you can
very clearly see that he is presenting
himself much like Senb in his own
context in a very Egyptian way. He is in
perfect symmetry with uh his wife and
with his child uh in giving the
offering, but also he is presenting
himself in that Egyptian sky in that
Egyptian style with the skirt um and and
and with the um the the beaded necklace
for example, let alone the fact that the
inscription is in hieroglyphs and that
this dedication was put um along a
processional route along with many
others from across Ross um the Egyptian
community of his day and these
processional roots dotted with the
stealer were about commemorating the the
offering to the gods and this kind of
collective um engagement. So very
obviously just like with Zenb they um
Roma is seeing himself as part of this
collective whole and is commemorating
himself as such.
Another case study I want to touch upon
is this idea of prostesises because we
do get some examples of these from the
bioarchchaeological record in the
remains uh because they are often buried
with them. Um and like I said earlier
you know bioarchcheological uh remains
can be hard to decode and we have to be
careful and particularly with prosteses
what's so noteworthy about them. Uh so
in one case we have um this lady uh here
uh who is only unfortunately known in in
in the catalog of the Durham Oriental
Museum where her remains currently
reside as Dorom 1999.32.
I prefer to call her the lady of Akm.
Amim was the town that she came from in
Upper Egypt. She lived around the late
period possibly early to so going into
the Greek period. Um, and she's quite um
unique cuz she um had a prosthetic hand
um which you can see on the bottom image
there unfortunately has been hacked off
from the body. Um and that's a whole
other thing. Maybe ask me about that.
But um the importance there is that it's
made of cartonage. It's being made of
the very same materials that are um part
of her reconstitution as a divine being.
So there's this direct uh correlation
with the myth of Osiris. this idea of
becoming the new being and the new limb
that is being given to you is a new
limb. It's not seen as a direct uh one
for one for the limb you lost which is
why I put prosthetics in uh quotations
because prosthetics uh today are very
much meant to be a one for one for you
know being able to work and do other
activities and etc. But in the ancient
world these prosthetics aren't
necessarily meant to fulfill that role.
They're not there to allow someone to
necessarily do all the things that they
used to do with their old hand or in or
in the other example on the screen here
um with their own foot. Uh the cartonage
toe is quite famous, but studies have
kind of concluded well a wearer probably
wouldn't have any extra stability with
this. So it's not a very functional
prosthetic, but maybe that wasn't the
point. Maybe the point was to
demonstrate that transformation of the
body, that that reconstitution of the
body with its new forms.
Lastly, I want to talk a little bit
about uh a man named Gas Galis
Herogynes. Uh Herogynes was a Roman
citizen who lived uh in a town known as
Karanis, which is in the Fume. Uh he is
a native of Antipololis.
I've mispronounced that, but the the
city that was dedicated to Antonius um
after he died. Um so he actually has um
kind of presence in several places. Um
but what's noteworthy about him and we
know this from tax records and uh um tax
receipts and and petitions uh that he
was uh a blind man who lived at the
time. He had inherited um land from his
his father and his uncle. And in his
petitions, he is uh reaching out to the
to the governor of Egypt to say that he
is being mistreated
um and targeted by the locals in Kanis
because of his impairment or that they
are taking advantage of it because of
his impairment. And that's significant
for a number of things. One, it shows us
that obviously things weren't all hunky
dory. There are there are nuances and
complexity to the lived experiences of
disabled people in the past. Um and that
is obviously something that can be um
relatable to today today's experience
but it's also shows one that he clearly
had a support network around him in his
family and in his attendance that he was
getting the support to write these
petitions each time but also for
himself. It shows a very clear idea that
he rep recognizes his blindness not as a
sole part of his identity because he
also identifies himself as this Antwine
citizen as a Roman citizen as someone
who has the rights to to petition the
governor but his blindness is clearly a
very core part of his of his
representation. uh Elare Rev's talk in
the series did talk about how um the the
description of a person by their
physical uh impairments could be some
sort of a biometric, but the way in
which he's giving his um his account and
his description of himself doesn't
really match that same formula. So, it's
very clearly something that he is
choosing to give to his um to to the
people who are transcribing his his
words for these petitions. So there's a
multitude of ways in which we can infer
his story and I find it very powerful as
a disabled person living in today that
despite the challenges that he was
clearly up against some quite horrible
ones. Um he was not only prepared but
willing and driven to fight his cause.
So to conclude uh what I hope my talk
has demonstrated is in not only just the
wealth of kind of potential and evidence
is we have for thinking about disability
in ancient Egypt but I also hope that
this talk along with all the talks that
have happened in this amazing series
have given us a chance to really think
about and appreciate what disability
means not just to our understanding of
the past but to who we are today. Um,
and I hope that the overall conclusion
we can draw from it is that by exploring
it and by critiquing it and and
considering those nuances, um, we have a
deeper appreciation of what it means to
be human. Thank you,
>> Kyle. Thank you so much for that
stimulating talk. Um, I'm still
processing, I mean, not just all the
wonderful
theoretical information and data and
case studies that you presented, but you
did also such a wonderful job of weaving
in the previous scholarship presented in
this series. Um, thank you. It really
was
>> uh such a great way to to wrap up, you
know, a full academic year's worth of
um of scholarly insights into this
important topic.
>> Um we do have some time for questions
and answers. Uh and I'm thrilled to see
a very uh robust um live audience. Um
that's something that we we typically
don't experience. Um, but I'd like to
invite um audience members uh if some
since you're in the Zoom room, uh if you
have questions uh for Kyle, for our
scholar, um you can uh um turn on your
video, unmute yourself, and you can ask
them directly. If you're a little shy,
you can put them in the chat, I believe.
Um,
and uh I'm gonna open up. I think the
chat is open to everybody. Um, aha, I
think we have our first question. Um,
this is from Brian, uh, one of our
viewers.
>> And Brian's question is, when military
service led to disability,
uh, was there special support provided
by the state? I'm assuming that's the
Egyptian state. But
>> um yeah, that's Brian's question.
>> That's a great question, Brian. Um so
thinking about the ancient Egyptians, if
we if we are to kind of um take the
archetypal idea of the ancient Egyptian
as being in the Feronic period, um
because military service was up until
kind of later periods wasn't a
professional service. It was something
that you would be conscripted into
during the winter months. There wasn't
really a sort of professional soldier
class with the exception of a few um
generals that we get names for in the
New Kingdom period who seemed to kind of
take that role exclusively, but it
doesn't seem to be something that that
permeates down into the everyday cuz
people are also working in in as as
farmers and as artisans in their
day-to-day lives as well. So, we don't
get many evidences um that I can think
of for ancient Egyptians specifically if
we're thinking of feronic Egypt.
However, when we go into the tomic and
the Roman period um more broadly um we
do know that there were provisions given
to uh military veterans like in in
Rome's case across the empire uh
veterans were not only um for their
service they were given the land but
they were also given a a pension
essentially and quite uh notably quite a
few of those veterans did settle in
Egypt um because Egypt was seen not only
as obviously the bread basket of the
Roman Empire. So it was a great place to
situate someone who could then oversee
those those allotted lands and
investments in which case you know uh
Gasis Herro's kind of inheritance was
from his father and uncle who had also
served in the in the military and gained
their Roman citizenship that way. Um,
but it also ties in with how ancient
Egypt kind of or Egypt as a place rather
kind of going into later periods is
romanticized almost in a way as this
place of healing and and and rest and
and recuperation. Um, I hope that I hope
that answers your question.
>> Uh, uh, wonderful. Let's see. I think
that uh Jasmine has a question and she's
going to ask it directly.
>> Hello Kyle, nice to see you.
>> Hi Jasmine, love to see you. Thank you
for coming.
>> Always a pleasure and this was great. Um
to everyone else just to explain Kyle
and I know each other um outside of Zoom
world. Um, I just wanted to say that I
really loved your comment that um, you
know, the the staff of old ages is
linked to sort of the physical
experience of the body and um, sort of
degeneration happening and that it's not
linked as we would think of it to like a
numerical age. Um, and I wondered if we
could talk a little more about say life
expectancy in ancient Egypt, how that
might change how we think about aging
and therefore also disability.
>> Mhm. No, absolutely. It's it's a really
uh pertinent topic I think especially
when we come to interpreting um
bioarchchaeological remains because I
I'll I'll I'll use one example. Uh I
mentioned the lady known as Ghet who I
gave a talk about a few years ago and
one of the things that struck me almost
immediately was that because she had
been diagnosed with cere cerebral palsy
a lot of the initial interpretations of
her um assumed a very uh diminished
existence like she was the survival of
the weakest in one in one example. This
was ignoring the fact that we could also
tell from her bioarchchaeological
remains that she lived well into her 60s
which for ancient Egyptians is quite an
advanced age. You know the average life
expectancy. Bearing in mind this is also
a very difficult thing for us to
calculate in the first place because
obviously we can only work with the
remains that we have which are a
fraction of a fraction of a fraction of
the remains that would have ever been.
So we can never get a truly accurate
idea of what life expectancy would have
been like. But we estimate that a
woman's average life expectancy would
have been somewhere in the realm of 25
to 30 years. So in our modern times very
short time span and it is a very short
time span but 60 um which again to us is
still relatively short um is is actually
quite advanced. So the fact that she
reached that age doesn't only speak to
the fact that she was accommodated and
cared for and loved but the fact that
she herself had a willingness to live
contrary to how it was interpreted in in
the initial by archaeological reports
that she did not see herself as survival
of the weakest clearly not um she lived
quite a full life. We can we can we can
dream to imagine. And this is where I
think by incorporating uh lived
experience, you know, into our
interpretations and bringing in people
with these lived embodiment themselves
to help inform our reading of these
bodies um and and these evidences. I
think that will give us a more nuanced
appreciation for the realities of living
with these embodiment. Because I'm not
saying it's all hunky dory either, but
what I am saying is that it doesn't take
away from a person's willingness to live
and embrace the fullness of life.
Absolutely. I completely agree. I think
Gessa is such a fantastic example,
especially because you you know that she
she lived so long and so you can have no
doubt at all about how important she she
was in life. Um I I would just want to
add if I may to that the sort of
recognition that in in those sort of
bioarchcheological
evidence there's things like you you see
a lot of sort of osteoporosis and things
that we associate with much um who are
quite a bit older
>> and they're appearing in people who are
in 30s and 40s. Mhm.
>> So it seems to me like
>> we have to adjust our idea of sort of
the prevalence of of dealing with um you
know impairment in your everyday life.
This could be pretty widpread and that
just changes the
>> the meaning of it in it's normal, you
know.
>> Absolutely.
>> Just part of the community.
>> Exactly.
>> Thank you, Jasmine. Um, we have two more
questions that are queued up uh from
Ben. Uh, Ben asks, oh, looks like we
have a third question even. Uh, are
there So, Ben asks, "Are there examples
of things such as walkers, wheelchairs,
or other accommodations besides pro
prosthetics?
Do you know if there are examples of
these in the new museum at Giza?"
>> Thank you, Ben. That's a lovely
question. And so to take that in two
parts, um I'll say right now that I have
not had the pleasure to be to the Grand
Egyptian Museum. So I can't say for sure
what is and isn't there. I know that for
example, Cineb is there and that uh
young young man with the curved um spine
um the overseer is also there. So I know
those representations is there. As as to
uh what accommodations are there, I'm
not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if
there aren't plenty of staffs and staves
there. Like I talked about, we find
those quite often. And so those would be
the most common form of accommodation we
find. Um walkers is quite interesting
because Dr. Alexander Morris has done a
great um a lot of great work on the um
Greco Egyptian god Hypocrates who is a
is kind of a synchronization uh with
Horus the child. So the the infant Horus
who is vulnerable to his uh to his evil
uh uncle set and so is being hidden away
by Isis and protected by Bez as well. Um
there are some uh Greco uh Greek um or
tomic sorry um uh statues and and
figurines that uh she has interpreted um
quite uh well interpreted I believe with
this kind of frame around him to assist
him to walk. So the possibility of there
being a walker is not improbable. uh
although I don't think we do have any
living uh living um extant examples um
in the present moment and that would
likely be because of the material uh
wheelchairs. No. Um however um one thing
I didn't point out is that in one of my
slides about the disability in Old
Kingdom art we do have one gentleman
riding a a mule in a in a kind of
crafted specially crafted seat. So there
is the possibility that um animals were
used to support and assist people in
moving from place to place. Although how
prevalent that was, we also can't tell
because again those seats would have
also been made of very um easily
biodegradable material. Um but if we
look just very quickly beyond ancient
Egypt um with again taking that idea of
wheeled chair um while physical ones
would not have existed um if you look at
representations of the god Heristos from
ancient Greece his winged chariots take
on the appearance quite well of wheeled
chairs and thinking about um uh kind of
how we incorporate that into our into
our work today. Um it's quite fun to
think about how when you bring those
representations forward to people with
mobility impairments or with uh assisted
um uh kind of applications one way or
the other, they love to look at them and
and to imagine themselves in in that in
that space. Um and it's not about saying
that that is definitively what it is,
but it opens up that world to them and
that's wonderful, I think.
>> Thank you so much. Well, there there are
a bunch of uh other questions, so I'm
just going to move right along. Uh let's
see. I don't want to skip over anybody.
Uh ah uh Brian
um sorry, Brian, I don't want to butcher
your last name, so I'll just call you
Brian has a question. There are examples
of petitioning a deity to address a
disability, such as to clear vision.
Mhm.
>> Was there a particular deity understood
as tutillary for those dealing with
long-term disabilities?
>> Another great question, Brian. Um, in
short, there are a number of deities
that would have been petitioned for kind
of um chronic or long-term health uh
conditions. Uh, one would have been Tot,
the god of wisdom, uh, Jihuti as he was
known um to the ancient Egyptians. So,
the Ibis of the god. um along with his
many wisdoms he helped in the kind of it
is imagined to have helped in the
development of of kind of medicine. Uh
so you see quite a lot of petitions are
to him. Uh but Isis is also um a very uh
common god that is used in petitions uh
because she is the god of magic and
magic he as it was known in ancient
Egypt is kind of the raw power of of all
living things. Right? So it courses
through you. So her ability to
reconstitute things is quite well known.
And even in the in the in the battles of
Horus and Set where they disable
themselves, she reconstitutes his body
in in kind of taking the milk of a
gazelle to to pour into his um eye
sockets when his eyes are ripped out by
set. The the new eyes become their own
thing. and his old eyes in some
variations, one becomes the literal eye
of Horus, that mythological symbol that
that oversees everything. But another
version is that his eyes become uh the
lotus flower and the lotus flower is is
used in medicinal um kind of in in in
kind of like pain management in pain
relief. Um so there lotus power as a
symbol. So there's that connotation
there as well. So yeah, predominantly
Tot and Isis, but you will see other
names of gods pop up because um there
isn't a hierarchy of gods in in ancient
Egypt in the in in as strict a formula
as there is in say the Greco Roman world
even though that again is also not as
entirely structured as we might first
assume. But um so you will find other
names mentioned because there will be
local kind of deities that someone might
want to petition. But yes, generally um
Isis tot and sometimes as well Imo
IMHoteep the the deified Immoteep is
also because he was he was kind of
mythologized and famed for medicinal
treatments.
>> Fascinating. Wow. Thank you. Um let's
see.
Um I think the next question is from
Chelsea.
Chelsea says, "Hey, Kyle, my question
would be if there is any evidence for
prosthetics being made for military
applications to enable soldiers
>> um who had been disabled in battle that
allowed them to continue serving?
>> If so, would they have been made to be a
sort of multi-tool?"
>> Excuse me. Uh, hi sis. Um, great
question. Um, so none from ancient
Egypt. Uh, I'll just say that up front.
But we do have some from the ancient
Mediterranean. And because this is a
talk about the ancient Mediterranean, I
can include them. Um, so we don't have
any extant examples. So physical
examples that we have to hand, but they
are mentioned in the sources. Um, and so
a general uh of ancient Rome in the
second Punic War whose name I'm afraid
escapes me right now. I apologize. I'm
I'm quite tired of I've been on a kind
of tour of talking for the past three
days. Um, so you'll have to forgive the
the absence of his name, but there was a
very famous uh general um who uh was was
famed for the fact that he lost his uh
right arm, his forearm to his hand in
conflict uh with Hannibal, the very the
very Hannibal who marched over the Alps
with his elephants. Um he was captured
several times by him actually and
scarred and maimed by him in several
ways. Um and um thank you Debbie Marcus
Sergio Silus. Um but rather than quit
the field when he lost his dominant
hand, the one that would usually wield
his uh his sword, um he had a prosthetic
fashioned. Um so Roman prosthetics,
examples that we do have like the capua
leg are often made of wood and then
they're kind of um plated for lack of a
better term with bronze. Um so his was
um plated just like that where we're
told. Um and so that was fashioned to
his shield. So the the the right hand
became his shield arm and he learned how
to fight with his with his left. So that
was an example of where he himself made
the act of choice to go back to the
battlefield cuz he was like I heard no
damn bell I'm going back. Um so we do
have examples of that from the ancient
Mediterranean but again not in ancient
Egypt's case because um again there
wasn't a sort of professional soldier
class for most of feronic history um to
the same degree as there was in Roman
society which was very much the backbone
of Roman society was the was the
soldier. Um
>> yes he did a Jamie Lannister Jasmine.
Yeah absolutely.
Um, okay. I I think uh because of the
weariness of our speaker who's just uh
done an amazing job answering questions,
we do have one last um well, it's
actually two. Um
>> I'm happy to do two, don't worry.
>> Okay, there's from the same uh uh uh
audience member, Miranda says that um
she has two questions. Miranda, do you
want to um ask them yourself or would
you like to put them in the chat?
>> Hi. Uh yeah, can you hear me?
>> We can hear you. Great. Yeah, go for it.
>> Thank you so much for a fantastic um for
a fantastic lecture. Um, I'm visually
impaired and I'm just um delighted that
um the struggle with bureaucracy has
existed since
>> Roman times um because that's something
that I really experienced.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but I have two questions. One is I
work in education at the Asholian Museum
with my guide dog
>> and I recently received Yeah. Um, I
recently received a question from a
nine-year-old who wondered if they had
guide dogs in ancient Egypt, and I
didn't know the answer, and I figure you
are the best person to ask. You already
kind of answered this about the use of
animals as um mobility aids, but I
wondered if you had any evidence for uh
sensory disability animals.
>> Uh, so that's wonderful. First of all,
um I actually worked for the Asholian a
few years ago, so it's lovely to meet
someone who's also in that same context.
I I created a exhibition um about um
disability in the ancient Middle East.
So um we should separately uh get in
touch. Um I'll I'll I'll message you my
email in a moment cuz I'd love to hear
about the work you're doing. But anyway,
to answer your question, while we can't
like on the top of my head, I can't say
here is a definite example of someone
with a guide dog in ancient Egypt. We do
have evidence for there for that
existing in the ancient Mediterranean.
Again, we have on wall. Yeah, we have uh
wall paintings. Um I can't believe if I
can't remember if this specific wall
paint painting is in Pompei or if it's
in another Roman city. Uh but we do have
examples of a blind person. Um yes. Yes.
Thank you, Debbie, once again being my
savior as a classicist um with the more
exact example. But yes, we do have
artistic representations of people being
guided by dogs and that I what I can say
about that is that you know um because
uh the kind of the cohabitation of of
dogs and humans we've evolved alongside
each other so long that it is not out of
the question to be able to imagine um
dogs guide dogs in in in our parliament
existing. There wouldn't there wouldn't
have been a structure to them today like
there is with training and things like
that but They would have been man's best
friend as they've always been. So yes, I
can only imagine that blind people
probably did have the companionship of
of animals to assist them. Uh
>> yeah. Uh your second question.
>> Yeah. Um, a lot of cultures make a
connection between wisdom and age. And I
was wondering given the Egyptian
correlation, um, or the Egyptian
conceptualization as age being marked by
the body,
>> uh, could there be something there
regarding disabled people serving as
ritual specialists. Um, I wondered if
you had any kind of input on that,
disabled people working in wisdom
professions.
>> Yeah. No, absolutely. That's a wonderful
question, Miranda, and I think a great
place to kind of wrap up and end because
I think what we can kind of infer from
all of this is that because disability
is something that can be congenital, but
can also be something that accumulates
over the course of someone's lifetime,
develops over the course of someone's
lifetime. And if we take this idea of
age in ancient Egypt for example being
marked by the body or transformations of
the body and mind because we should
remember as well that Tahoe um mentions
forgetting um the idea of of losing
memory or losing track of things um that
you know that is something that is
experienced and encoded and embodied um
through that kind of interaction with
the lived world. So what I mean by that
is just as you were saying um the the
disabled body becomes a mark of wisdom.
Uh it becomes a sign of of that survival
and that and that capacity and also that
ingenuity to survive as well. That's the
other thing I I think when we talk about
affordances like we like we did in the
talk, we also have to remember that that
shows an ability to invent different
ways of doing things to show that sort
of way of of thinking around things and
coming up with new ideas. So when we
think about that, we can think about
how, you know, when we think about
wisdom in in in any space or time, um
why do we always automatically assume an
abled um you know, predominantly white
or predominantly masculine presenting
body? Why is that wisdom not encoded on
the disabled, on the non-white, on the
um on the on the feminine or or or
non-binary body when very clearly
throughout history those those have
existed and have played a key role in in
the development of wisdom. And I think
we'll leave it there.
>> Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you um
for um persevering through the
exhaustion. Um, again from the questions
and answers, I've just really learned so
much. Um, it's just been um
an incredible way to wrap up this series
and an incredible honor um to to learn
from you today, Kyle. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you so much.
Well, and uh just by way of concluding
um this presentation, I'd like to uh
tell the audience a bit about our next
talk series. There'll be a bit of a
hiatus for the summer. Um but we will
resume uh with a new series in
September. The title of that series is,
drum roll please, affordability in the
iron age, household, regional, and
interreional economies in the Levant.
Uh that series will feature 12 scholars
from the United States, Europe, and the
Middle East sharing their research uh
into the economies, trade, and
interactions in the late Iron Age. Um so
that's um late first millennium uh from
a variety of ancient Levventine cultures
and also uh once today's talk is up on
the Badday museums uh and the
archaeological research facility at UC
Berkeley's YouTube channels, I'd like to
ask viewers to please follow the QR code
that will be posted uh below in the
comments section in order to support uh
future presentations like the one we've
just enjoyed today. I'd like to thank
today's speaker, Kyle Jordan. Uh, and
also to thank uh the museum staff uh and
the staff at the archaeological research
facility uh at UC Berkeley. Uh it's been
a wonderful uh again a wonderful year uh
of um free online uh talks from uh our
experts uh and also to thank our
audience uh and I hope to see you all
back in September. Thank you.