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In this 2.75 million subscriber Q&A episode, Chris Williamson addresses a range of personal and societal issues while unveiling his new studio featuring London landmarks like a telephone box and statues. He clarifies that previous comments regarding women's value being tied to beauty were historical assessments rather than endorsements, noting the irony that men are now facing rising body dysmorphia rates despite historically having less pressure on their appearance. Williamson also discusses his current health struggles with autoimmune issues, mold exposure from his former home, and EBV, explaining recent speech errors and brain fog as symptoms of this difficult year which he plans to address in future episodes. He reveals that while he is currently following a meat-and-fruit diet for recovery, he remains transparent about the challenges rather than evangelizing specific lifestyles. The conversation shifts to his personal life, including loneliness, dating advice, and sobriety. Williamson admits to feeling lonely despite moving from the UK to America, attributing it to being culturally displaced in a country where everyone speaks his native language but not sharing his background. He advises men seeking deep connections to prioritize intellectual compatibility over physical attraction, warning against getting distracted by superficial traits like height or appearance when looking for partners with similar consciousness and interests. Regarding alcohol, he confirms that sobriety is no longer easy; after breaking a 1000-day streak twice in six months due to the "itch" of social drinking culture, he now practices an every-other-day rule to maintain tolerance without dependency. Williamson reflects on his career risks, work-life balance, and mental health journey with significant openness about therapy's impact on self-knowledge. He describes how therapy helped him realize hidden aspects of himself in nine months that took years of meditation to uncover, though he recently paused sessions to focus on physical recovery involving IVs and saunas. He emphasizes the importance of hedging one's identity across various pursuits—such as being a father, friend, or hobbyist—to avoid living life solely for work, noting that true balance means having enough "life" so that worrying about it becomes unnecessary. This philosophy extends to his approach to success, where he acknowledges the pain and uncertainty inherent in pursuing exceptional goals without guaranteed outcomes, framing this ambiguity not as a curse but as an inevitable part of personal growth. Finally, Williamson touches on broader cultural topics including the 2024 election, which he views as chaotic yet entertaining, and expresses interest in interviewing left-leaning figures like Bernie Sanders to provide balanced perspectives often missing from his platform. He discusses managing social interactions during burnout by being honest about needing space rather than ghosting friends, a lesson learned through experiencing low mood and energy dips himself. Throughout the episode, he maintains that understanding oneself is the central theme of his interviews, encouraging listeners to reduce fear regarding outcomes while continuing to work hard, ultimately aiming for a life where leisure defines existence rather than labor serving it as an aberration from ancient Greek perspectives on work.
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what's happening people welcome back to
the show it is a
2.75 million subscriber Q&A episode and
I'm in a brand new studio uh for the
people that are listening you not can be
able to see it but this is my new studio
finally finished in all its glory and I
think it looks absolutely beautiful I
can show you here look at this it's a
London telephone box and a London Bridge
here and uh see and hear and speak no
evil statues and I've got a
a thinking man thinking and a guy Atlas
holding up the world and little dinosaur
skull a secret little Easter egg of a
hand uh climbing up and I love it I love
the colors I think it looks it's perfect
it's our brand it's the teal it's the
orange the lighting's amazing so yeah my
Director of Photography made me a a
present for
2.75 million subscribers anyway I asked
the questions on Twitter and Instagram
and YouTube and there were lots so let's
get into it Jim Cooper I love your
podcast Chris I'm sure you're not
misogynistic but the statement women's
value to the world in many ways lies in
their beauty and youth comes across
quite sexist and reductive to me yes
swing and a miss by me there using some
imprecise language around a sensitive
topic I think the response here was a
bit surprising because I must have
brought up this exact cliche in 30 or 50
videos in the past that men have
historically been valued for their
ability to provide status and resources
while historically women have had a
premium placed on their age in their
looks I've never said that it's optimal
or desirable but I would say that it's
pretty reasonable as a historical
assessment of how Society has judged men
and women I mean even now in the modern
world there's entire Industries
dedicated to serving these cliches
cosmetic surgery and makeup and hair
extensions and apps that brush your
wrinkles away are all playing into this
need for beautification and youth the
same as luxury car rental garages and
online trading courses and pickup artist
body language masterminds for men to
enhance status and resources and the
point that I was trying to make was
about male body image issues that
Society has typically emphasized the
importance of beauty and youth in women
for men stereotypically it's been less
important and yet men are on track to
overtake women in rates of body
dysmorphia within a few decades I think
it's an interesting pivot that men
historically haven't been valued as much
for their looks and that now seems to be
changing and just because I talk about
something doesn't mean that I support it
analysis is not justification what I
wanted to do was identify those previous
stereotypes and then highlight this new
world in contrast and it seems like that
came across as me reinforcing the
stereotype is legitimate and I get the
sense that this is one of the problems
with the audience growing so quickly
because I think that I can just use
imprecise throwaway shorthand references
to tons of previous conversations like I
used to when the show was smaller and
everyone would understand my broader
point but the show is probably half a
million people bigger than the last time
that this point got brought up so a ton
of viewers have no context but then if I
go through an in-depth reintroduction of
each reference every time that I bring
it up that's going to get clunky and
repetitive and arduous and patronize
everyone like you never learn anything
so yeah I'm going to have to work on
that hopefully that clears everything up
and glad to hear that I'm not a
misogynist shotgun orphan congrats on
all your well-deserved success I
discovered your pod in 2021 and you've
quickly become my favorite person to
listen to thank you when are we getting
t-shirts and other merch please take my
money yeah uh I've been wearing this
three-eyed skull t-shirt thing on some
training Vlogs and we've got one with
modern wisdom across the front uh I
think we made maybe 20 of those and uh
it was just for me and Dean and a couple
of the guys behind the scenes um I would
consider doing it but I know I'm not I'm
not a particularly good sort of seller
of my own stuff uh I need to work on
that but but soon I guess if I can find
a way to do it without detracting from
the million other things that I've got
to do uh but it's nice to know that you
like the that you like the designs
they're pretty cool I really like them
Sam Slytherin speaking as a lifelong
Texan I think you can and should start
saying Yol in which case you just drop
the I but that wasn't a question okay
will Chris Williamson start saying Yol
I'm worried that Y is the nword for
texting people and me saying it as
yall is kind of like me hard aring my
way through cultural appropriation so uh
we'll see I guess um I know that you all
was actually super popular with the
lgbtq community because y all means all
it was a gender neutral way to say you
guys uh which is kind of
interesting I've been here two and a
half years can I say y'all maybe this is
part of some deep state scop to get me
cancelled by Texans I don't know I'm
like really weaving through them today
this is like a anyway it's a spicy one
I'll consider you all I'll if the rest
of Texas agrees Lucas I'm currently
watching your Olympia prep Vlog with
Chris what's going on with the
autoimmune stuff I hope everything is
going well yeah I kept this quiet I have
kept this quiet all year um I've been
fighting with some health stuff I think
I've hinted at it a little bit and to be
honest it's kind of it's coming out of
me um without me meaning to uh I talk to
friends and it's the thing that's on my
mind it's been rough it's been like by
far the hardest year that I've had and
then I've been trying to keep the show
on top of it and I'm seeing a lot
of threat and anxiety and uh my
resilience is lower pretty much
everywhere um so I think I'm going to do
a sort of fully dedicated episode or
maybe even a series of episodes to
talking about the stuff that I've been
going through got disbiosis
uh like par anti parasitic
treatments mold environmental molds uh
EBV like a pretty big list of things
that apparently are not super uncommon
for immigrants that first moved to
America because the environment and the
food and a lot of the other stuff is
unfamiliar and then maybe get some
Specialists on because it's a really big
deal and the brain fog and the mood and
the energy has been
uh it's been tough so I want to try and
use it as a learning experience in one
form or another everything is moving
forward as best I can I'm trying to not
dwell on it and compensate where I
can uh also this is the most my dog ate
my homework excuse ever but uh I've made
more more speech errors in the last 6
months or n months this year uh than I
ever have I would have never made that
imprecision error with regards to women
historically having taken most of their
value dot dot dot uh I would have never
done that in the past I would have never
I accidentally called Ed Witten Ed
Dutton on the episode with Eric
Weinstein I know this might sound like a
little thing but for me somebody who is
usually
pretty sort of 100% perfect on speech Ed
Dutton is this guy he's like a spicy RAC
and IQ researcher Ed witton is a
theoretical physicist like I just
wouldn't have made that error and it
keeps on happening I'm forgetting
people's names I was looking at a dog
that I know unbelievably well and just
looked at it and didn't know its name I
it's I'll talk about it Fly toward the
end of the year and also you know again
we're being transparent why not
uh it's been oddd not talking about it
and then H feeling like I've got
this huge thing that's going on behind
the scenes and then how do I is it even
that big of a deal you guys are here to
just learn stuff and and and be
entertained and educated why should I
burden you with something that's
burdening me but then also you kind of
the truth will set you free anyway it's
been I've been thinking about it a lot
and once I compile my thoughts in a
brain that's full of mold I'll um I'll
talk to you more about it and maybe
it'll be helpful and useful to anybody
that's going through
stuff Con Air why are your forearms so
massive yeah I this has been coming up
more I think it's because I've been
doing more uh training Vlogs uh I guess
I do have like pretty big
forearms but um I honestly it's just
straightup genetics it's like I've never
done direct the first piece of direct
forearm training I've ever done was with
my isrel on a podcast or training blog 3
weeks ago it's the first time I've ever
trained them so it's like that guy
that's got massive CES you go dude what
do you do for training your CS he's like
have good parents I don't know have
parents with big CVS so uh they just are
maybe it's a tumor of some kind and uh
maybe this is what's causing all of the
brain fog maybe it's just filled
with mold and autoimmune problems I'm
not sure Z Griffith 23 what's your
relationship with caffeine nicotine and
do you build in intentional breaks good
question so for those of you who don't
know I did 500 days without caffeine a
couple of years ago um which was
significantly harder than a thousand
days without alcohol which I did the
year before or finishing the year before
and still now my favorite way to consume
caffeine this includes new tonic is to
try and do it every other day sometimes
when you can't because you've got a
bunch of days back to back where you
really need it or you have multiple
nights of bad sleep but honestly my best
use case is just one day on one day off
if you have it today you can't have it
tomorrow and if you have it if you had
it yesterday you can't have it today
that's it as a rule and it means that it
keeps your tolerance nice and flat
uh I was taught not that long ago that I
think it takes 9 days of cold turkey
from caffeine to fully reset your uh
Baseline that adenosine system
sensitivity that was from Mano henselman
so blame him if it's not true but uh you
would be surprised at how quickly that
sensitivity comes back nicotine I'm not
using uh I haven't used that all that
much knick-knacks are nice but uh I'm
stimulated enough frankly from like
newtonic and and just coffee as it is so
I don't really need
anymore
vicam whoop
padr advice for subhumans below 6 foot
in the current dating Market uh I guess
that makes me sub I'm 5 10 and a half
5'11 um I don't know man like I see guys
who are not that tall crushing it with
girls all the time and I do think that
the internet makes way more of a meme
out of height for guys than it is now
there's a girl that trains in the gym
with me who's
6'2 she's got like an actual tall girl
problem that she doesn't want a date to
guide that's shorter than her and if
you're 6'2 as a woman and you want to
wear heels at your wedding uh you're
looking at professional athlet like
that's a you know that's a high bar
literally um I don't think you need
specific advice for subhumans below 6
foot in the current dating Market uh
it's the same as it's always been like
be nice be as attractive and well
presented as possible be emotionally
aware present some
status don't be a
that seems to work Alberto
nikle your podcast stands out as the
best looking one on YouTube and the
production quality is truly impressive
thank you I'm curious why do you invest
so much into the visual aspect
especially since many listeners may not
pay attention to it is it a personal
goal for you or do you find it rewarding
in other ways either financially or
personally good question
so I don't know I I like beautiful
things just because I like looking at
nice things I think there's utility in
Beauty and
there's so many complaints about the
modern world being sterile and
transactional and people are just
mailing it in whether it's in music or
in architecture or in art or in movies
and doing the bare minimum to get by or
kind of feeding this chicken soup
Instagram story to you
and I I don't know I want a body of work
that I look back on and think that was
beautiful that was amazing that was
impressive we really push the limits I
don't know it's funny the show sometimes
gets criticized for how like why are you
going to all of this effort it's all
style and no substance like bro there is
the first your's episodes had no video
at all and then after that it was 300
episodes of me on Skype literally at
720p I'm doing it people have complaints
for lazy content creators and then if
you try and do something beautiful
they've got complaints too so I think
the lesson there is you can't really
appease or satisfy anybody or everybody
um financially it is a stupid idea uh it
is a house deposit every single time
that we decide to do one of these big
sets of shoots um it is an obscene cost
the single largest cost this entire year
larger than all of the staff that work
for me larger than any of the production
fees larger than anything is the cinema
shoots that's it uh rental house his
insurance
location
so I don't know I hope for the people
that like beautiful things this is a
place that you can come and I like
beautiful things so hopefully for those
that enjoy it it's there for you as well
and for the people who aren't that fuss
you can just listen to it on Spotify or
apple
podcasts Ryan
jig Chris what's your daily nutrition
plan all right I don't want to be that
guy but as part of this uh autoimmune
recovery stuff I'm fully carnivore at
the moment technically I'm meat and
fruit so carnivore was like the Hipster
keto and then meat and fruit was like
the hipsters hipsters carnivore
so I I'm now that guy I'm now a
combination of Jordan Peterson and Paul
saladino uh and the liver King uh and I
don't want to become an evangelist which
is why I've not brought it up because
it's so like cliche to be the guy that
starts doing meat and fruit and w't shut
up about it uh but that's my current
nutrition plan and I will come back to
you in a couple of months and tell you
what I think of
it City Bumpkin will you ever get
circumcised these questions
um I feel like adult circumcision is a
really
extreme a very extreme procedure to go
through uh without a reason um I don't
know whether that's now a sort of a
trend thing like when people used to
guys used to get the top of their ears
pierced uh or nose rings or whatever um
I do know a guy who got into a
relationship with a a Jewish woman and
then before marrying her after he'd
asked the father whether he could he had
to I think convert or transition
whatever it's called Uh to become Jewish
H and part of that was adult
circumcision which is wild uh so I I
fear that I'm going to remain team
forkin Nick
kapal do you ever feel
lonely uh yeah um I did a lot in my 20s
uh you know there was a a note that I
put in my phone my diary once that I was
I just had a low low mood and I didn't
really understand why and I was trying
to work out what was going on and I just
put I think I'm lonely and wrote that in
my phone and
uh it's got better since I've moved to
America which is I guess strange that
you become less lonely when you move
away from
home but I still do um it's weird this
sort of transition thing with the
microniche degenerate Fame thing with
the show and detention and and and not
really knowing how to deal with that and
then feeling ashamed about like why
would I why should I even complain about
this like what a Bourgeois luxury to be
whining about and then thinking well
that's not a very sort of um delicate
way to deal with yourself you're not
treating yourself like a friend that
you're responsible for helping there so
it's like infinite regress of feeling
guilty or ashamed or sad that you're
guilty or annoyed that you're ashamed um
but yeah you forget when you move to a
country that speaks the same language as
you but you're not from that you're
still an immigrant and you know you
wouldn't notice it the same if you were
in Thailand or Russia or France or
Argentina but if you move to a country
where you speak the same language that
they do natively but you're not from
there it kind of creeps up on you the
fact that you're culturally displaced uh
and yeah I do it's been an interesting
year of of learning stuff and I'm
working hard at trying to beat that
cranic since you did an episode with B
Shapiro why not showcase the opposite
perspective and how do you feel about
the 2024 election uh yeah I don't know
who the opposite perspective to Ben
would be
um I'm bringing on Crystal Ball from
Crystal and Saga she's the left leaning
host from that show uh Anna kasparian
from The Young Turks uh I think will be
on next week uh trying to get Bernie
Sanders on been trying to get that guy
on for ages but difficult to get a hold
of perhaps unsurprisingly
um I kind of get the sense that the
rebalancing of right versus left is a
little bit hard to do because that there
isn't really a left leaning equivalent
of Ben I mean Brian class has been on
the show ardently anti-trump and
definitely from the left uh even Nate
Silva is from the left Ryan holiday's
been on this year Scott Galloway's been
on Destiny's been on Democratic
candidate for president Dean Phillips
was on earlier this year so I've been
trying to sort of do showcasing the
opposite perspective throughout the year
but I know it seems like uh people from
the right sort of carry more weight
somehow uh for this so I know offsetting
it rebalancing the force can be a bit
difficult how do I feel about the 2024
election it is a car crash
the way that the candidates have been
going at each other the way that the
Press has covered it like the current
sentiment in America is it's what it's
like meme univer if South Park made an
election year this is what it would feel
like ca Harris goes on call her daddy
Trump gets shot once in another
assassination attempt and then like they
oh it's been so it's it's wild uh so how
I feel about it is it makes for great TV
but uh I'm glad that I'm in Texas where
there's lots of room and uh I feel a bit
safe down here and actually I'm going to
be in Australia when the election
happens which is probably the best place
on the planet to
be the original crash 007 do you have an
inner monologue uh oh yeah um I I kind
of don't I've heard that some people
don't some percentage of people don't
let me see if chat GPT what percentage
of people do not have and in
a
monologue study suggests that 25 to 50%
of people do not experience a constant
inner monologue this means instead of
hearing a voice in their head narrating
their thoughts they might process
information in more visual abstract or
sensory ways prevalence
depends varying on how the concept is
defined and measuring different
studies wow uh I have no idea what it's
like to not have an inner monologue
because my brain is singing
barber shop with each other uh yeah it's
been the one of the biggest tasks that
I've tried to do to make the voice
inside of my head my friend uh to find
out like 25 to 50% of people it's just
silence in there I don't know what are
you doing what are you thinking about I
don't know uh but yes I do and you
should be kind of Oliva two different
questions one asking for a friend what
is a good response to someone who uses
the word look to put down one's
achievements number two what is your
connection with music I noticed you wear
Bring Me The Horizon and Parkway clothes
have you always been into metal got any
favorites ask answer number two first
this is
Architects this is an architect's
t-shirt uh yeah I was an emo kid uh
throughout all of my teens and just
never gave it up listening to a lot of
sleep token and neck deep bring me still
now crushes Parkway misery signals uh
bto's new album is phenomenal
um Polaris I've just got into them
they're outstanding so that's what I
listen to uh when I'm training um deep
house usually when I'm in the car or
driving in a bit of country at other
times and that's like my three car
garage metal deep house by country
music uh asking for a friend what is a
good response to someone who uses the
word luck to put down one's
achievements it seems strange to me that
the harder I work the luckier I get I've
always loved that
quote BH zv1 MN hey Chris congrats it is
inspiring to see someone hit the J curve
in real time thank you question how do I
deal with the fear of not having people
around me when I have finally made it
I'm in an important phase of my life my
relationship is probably going to come
to an end because of my tal Vision on my
goals there's this small voice in my
head that acknowledges the possibility
that I may never truly find the people I
would love to share my success with I
have sacrificed many friendships to I
know I have what it takes but what if I
end up alone I am 20 P.S I was used to
being alone until I improved myself and
then found some people but now it
appears as if I'm at another revamp
point in my life
so I think this lonely chapter thing
that I keep hopping on about is just
such an unseen problem that a lot of
people face and um it was certainly an
area that I struggled with the analogy
that I use for I think what you're
describing is if you imagine personal
growth or growing as a person as kind of
like uh being a rocket ship taking off
from Earth and you're moving at a
particular velocity and there's other
people around you and some are ahead of
you and some are behind you and some
took off at the same time and you're
moving along but if you start to
overtake other people you end up leaving
them behind and this isn't a value
judgment about who's better or who's
worse or the people that grow more or
intrinsic valuable whatever it's simply
the the language that you use to
communicate to these people and the
things that you've got going on in your
life and the type of challenges that
you're facing are at the altitude that
you are at if you're just trying to work
on your meditation practice for the
first time ever and a learning about how
the GTD method for productivity works
that's different to somebody who is
balls deep in emotional regulation and
has been to two years of therapy the the
challenges that they're facing are just
fundamentally different because the
altitudes have changed so one of the
problems that you have is if you're a
very quick moving velocity as a Rocket
taking off you're going to like you said
you found people after you improved
yourself and now it looks like you're
going to break through another time
that's something difficult that you're
going to have to let go of it feels like
survivorship bias like people that come
back from war and they don't feel like
they should have survived and they
actually have and you're leaving behind
a group of people that maybe you grew up
with or you became friends with or you
became friends with that are really
important formative point in your life
and it's tough uh so I think it's just
a it's a price of doing business uh cost
of Entry to Growing quickly and it
sounds like you have Tunnel Vision on
your goals you know that you want to
achieve big things but I don't mean to
be patronizing bro you're 20 and you
have there are lots of people very far
ahead of you that you can end up
settling at their altitude with just
take time it sounds like you're thinking
about things that are maybe beyond your
age so just have a little bit of faith
that you're going to be able to bring
this into land
uh with a group of people that will care
and when you find them it'll be so
worthwhile because they'll have gone
through the same things too and you'll
be able to
resonate
Chiran dig
9833 I suck so hard at saying these
usernames tell us more about your
childhood and how you overcame bullying
and became
confident deep questions today um so the
became confident thing I think is a
probably a misnomer uh competent like
I'm good at doing some stuff but
especially this year I've just
been Riven
with uncertainty and low self-esteem and
uh have kept going which Maybe is good
for people who don't feel like they have
much self-esteem or confidence to hear
that even if you don't believe that you
can do it you can still end up doing it
but uh yeah the became confident thing
is at least based on recent experience
not
uh not fantastically backed up uh in
terms of childhood and no how overcame
bullying I don't know
like you you just get through stuff you
know it was rough childhood especially
teenagers was wasn't super fun being a
social outcast it was never real
aggressive awful physical bullying over
and over again there was some elements
that were pretty like
atrocious
but you I don't know you're just a kid
you're made of rubber and magic and you
just sort of bounc through things or at
least I kind of did even if I was
unhappy uh and it's only in retrospect
that you can see kind of how wrong
things were or how rough stuff was
um the overcoming The Bullying
thing I don't know I got rid of that
chip on my shoulder maybe about 5 years
ago uh you know that I was doing things
to prove other people that had doubted
me or had mistreated me or bullied me or
whatever um
wrong that was something that I overcame
I think largely just through achieving
lots of things that I never thought I
would um after a while you have to sort
of admit to yourself that the fuel
you're using is toxic and if you're
still being driven by that kid in you're
nine when you were 13 that called you
that name or whatever you're giving that
person an awful lot of power over you
somebody that you hate or don't like uh
and also it's not allowing you to get to
any peace like you're never going to be
peaceful
so yeah childhood was a mix bag I played
lots of sports uh I spent a lot of time
on my own in solitude
and it came out of it in one piece uh or
at least in pieces that were together
should I say and um then in adult life
you spend some some people kind of
arrive all put together and then some
people kind of have to put themselves
back together and I was the latter uh
and still largely I'm doing it but I
know
hey here I am still
going
Lorenzo Petra Piana
4707 hell uh what should you do
if you realize that you're striving for
success is only a compensatory mechanism
for past trauma or an inferiority
complex uh there are a lot of people
just being seen by these questions it's
a bit more somber of a mood today both
from the questions and maybe from me I
know why I am I wonder if the questions
are maybe because we're going into
Christmas or Autumn or something like
that people are starting to reflect on
the year they're feeling a little bit
more Melancholy I don't know it's or
maybe I'm getting a totally wrong and
that's like a unfair assumption what
should you do if you realize that your
striving for success is only a
compensatory mechanism for past trauma
or an inferiority
complex I think a lot of people it is I
think many people are trying
to prove to the world that they are
valuable in a way that in the past they
felt worthless
and the inferiority complex of if only I
can become sufficiently impressive then
maybe the world will love me May maybe
if I'm create this Grand Cathedral of
of accomplishments and and Accolade and
status and money uh someone will Pat me
on the back and tell me that I'm good
enough I
think maybe that's most high performers
maybe that's most successful people in
the world and that's sad I think it's a
an ironic realization that many of the
people that we admire the most have the
least admirable internal mental states
that you literally wouldn't trade the
life that you think is dog for the
one that you think is amazing if you got
to spend five minutes inside of that
person's head um so what should you do
if you realize that you're striving for
success is only the compensatory
mechanism well you've seen through the
first illusion right you understand why
that motivation is there and you can
continue playing that game and trying to
fill internal voids with external
accolades or
you can try and assess why that's the
case if it was me I would do a good bit
of internal work I would maybe speak to
a CBT person or do some therapy or some
hypnosis uh I would journal and I would
try and work out
okay why do I think that I need to be
successful in order for the world to
love me why do I need to strive in order
to create this Grand important thing in
order to feel like I am sufficient uh
that I need to offer the world something
in order for it to love me back why do I
feel like that needs to be the case and
is that true is that true are why do I
love other people or what are the
reasons like what why do I choose to be
around the people that I choose to be
around is it because of their success
their striving how impressive they are
or is it that they're funny and caring
and hold space for me and are are kind
or gentle or reassuring or enjoyable or
energizing or whatever for the most part
I've asked my myself this question too
or a similar one and for the most part
the people that I love to be around it's
got all to do with like their
accomplishments literally some of my
best friends are the ones that are happy
and are not striving and are not looking
for this success like endlessly filling
this hole like the Cookie Monster just
eating new achievements um look inside
and work out why you think that success
is something that you need to do uh what
are you compensating for what are your p
traumas what's your inferiority complex
and then decide whether or not you want
to actually keep trying to be successful
because you're not choosing to be
successful you're being compelled to be
successful it's a compulsion uh and I
don't think that that's necessarily what
you want to have in life you don't want
to be forced to do anything you want to
choose to do the things that you want to
do Justin Dunley 1848 been a pleasure to
feel as if we are a part of your journey
since I found you almost two years ago
thank you my question be from your
perspective what do you think the future
of Britain is for younger Generations
growing up and what would you suggest to
be what would be your
suggestion what would your suggestion be
to someone who wants to leave for a
better life love you man you're a true
inspiration to so many and seeing a
fellow Brit Shine the way in Shine the
way in such a fashion makes me driven
for more I cannot read today apparently
uh
what do I think it the future of Britain
is for younger Generations growing up
what would be my suggestion for someone
who wants to leave for a better life I
mean if you want to leave you got to
leave like there is no way to rework
that game um I tried for a very long
time to impact British culture uh and
you know we had a few thousand people
that worked for the events company
between the ages of 18 and
24 uh personally coach
maybe a hundred hundreds of young people
um and they went on to do amazing things
but unfortunately as anybody in the UK
knows trying to find other people that
are positive positive some uh have
agency are interested in trying to make
change to themselves and to encourage
other people to make change as well it's
a rarity so first off realize that if
you're able to grow in that country it's
a very impressive it's like uh lifting a
weight on Jupiter or something that it
is harder than typical to break out from
the mold because the tall poppy syndrome
the cutting down and the and the sort of
mockery that everybody encounters or at
least everybody that I know um is a big
weight it's a drag uh so the future for
younger Generations growing up I mean
the UK was it had the second highest
number of millionaires leaving in the
world in 2024
China was number one with 15,000 the UK
was number two with about 10,000 but
China's population it's
basically I think the UK is 3% of the
population of China and yet it's 66% of
the number of millionaire leaving and
China's a literal communist Communist
dictatorship
so I would love to see it change I tried
for a decade and a half to have impact
on it but I don't know I'm I'm yet to be
proven otherwise but hopefully I'm wrong
j LeBron 777 impressive as thank
you okay question any dream guests you'd
love to have but feel they may slightly
be Out Of Reach for now any names you'd
be able to drop tons uh Ryan Reynolds
would adore to speak to Ryan Reynolds I
think he's super cool guy I think he'd
be really fun to talk to uh Larry and
Sergey from uh Google would be great
Zuckerberg
Bezos um who else is like really really
Out Of Reach I'd like to have a chat
with Beyonce I think she'd be really
interesting to speak to to work out what
it's like to be that famous uh or like a
Taylor Swift's Justin Bieber I mean
Justin Bieber at the moment with all of
this Piddy stuff speak to Piddy him and
S bankman freed side by side in a jail
cell we could do a three-way
conversation that'd be interesting uh
yeah I don't know man there's so many
just an endless list of people let's
trying to get Bernie Sanders on for ages
that was interesting
but yeah I it'll be we're coming up to
episode 10,000 and I really want to do
something like phenomenal for that
period maybe 999,000 and 1001 just
absolutely sort of break open all of the
expectations so I've set an
expectation we'll see I'm trying to do
something cool for that
Matel 999 you mentioned in a prior video
that you have tinitus many of us do and
it will be helpful to hear your comments
on the subject and how you've dealt with
some of the annoyances that it brings
yeah I I guess this is one of the
reasons why I didn't bring up the health
stuff before that so many people deal
with challenges that it
um it feels like
another necessity for me to sort of make
comments and and talk about it and the
problem with that is I'm still going
through it I'm still trying to recover
and like it's slow really slow and tough
and then trying to talk about your
experience of dealing with a thing while
you're still going through it I like I
just don't want to be a Debbie Downer to
you guys I don't like feeling like I'm
not on top of my game or like I'm you
know talking about all of this
that I'm dealing with but on the topic
of
tinitus it sucks uh for the people that
don't know it's just like a permanent
loud ringing in your ears uh it
specifically happens when there's lower
volume so the reason that it happens I
went to go and see of course I went to
go and see NE specialist uh the reason
that it happens is your brain when it
can't detect
frequencies it tries to fill in the gaps
uh kind of like how the optical blind
spot is filled in in post-processing by
your brain this is not too dissimilar
but for hearing and it just creates this
quite loud buzzing noise and uh
especially at times when you want it to
be quiet like when it's silent on a
night you're trying to go to sleep it is
awful uh and it's for me uh brought on
by inflammation it's brought on by my
brain not being very happy and uh yeah
anybody that lives with this chronically
which currently I am but like you know
for your entire life not just for 9
months like it's so bad it's
so permanent it's like the hearing
equivalent of chronic pain it always
reminds you that you're there and the
weird feedback loop is the more that you
think about it the the louder it gets
and it reacts to cortisol which means
that if you think about it and it gets
louder you get more stressed because you
can hear it more which means cortisol
goes up which means it gets louder it's
vicious so yeah I am I'm sorry that
you're dealing with that and uh yeah
it's I've never heard anybody talk about
it I've never heard anyone talk about it
and then this I've just been swimming in
it and it sucks so
sorry Pono
yanz uh Chris Wix what's it like being
friends with Alex
hosi
uh it's pretty cool it's it's intimat uh
perhaps unsurprisingly he's busy and so
am I so uh it really is like speed
messaging memes and stuff to each other
and then not speaking to each other for
a month and then doing it again then
sometimes it's more frequent he's cool
he's uh a good counterbalance to
um feeling like a and uh in the
right doses for me he is a a good
influence Xander Journey what is the
true definition of work life balance for
you not the guy to ask bro not this year
uh I have been so far on the work end of
work life balance uh much to the anger
of the people around me that keep on
telling that I need to sleep or chill
out more
um the true meaning of it I think
is finding a way to not
just live life in service of work that a
lot of the time we do things that are
relaxation because we think that it's
going to allow us to then go harder when
we get back to work I'm not convinced
that putting every single ounce of your
identity into a single Pursuit your work
is the best way to live I think hedging
your identity across multiple things
yeah you care about your company or
whatever but also you're a friend and
you're a part-time pickle ball player
and you like CrossFit and you're into
80s Jazz and you're a father and a
husband you know like you're all of
these other things as well and I think
that like the true definition of work
life balance is having enough life that
you don't think about work life balance
um the ancient Greek word for work was
not at leisure as a definition not at
leisure so work was seen as an
aberration and Leisure was seen as the
set
point and it seems now in the modern
world that this has been turned upside
down and Leisure is not at work or life
is not at work so yeah work life balance
should be that you have enough life to
not have to worry about work life
balance antibreak even tell us your
simple hack on body language I am not
convinced I have a hack on body language
I was told by lots of people that watch
some of the Vlogs that I stand very
still and I reflected on that uh and I
think what's happened is because I spent
10,000 hours in my 20s stood on the
front door of a
nightclub I got very used to standing
very still with my hands three positions
okay like this in front of me
like that behind me or like this on my
hips or in or Hands In Pockets I guess
three or four positions and I can just
stand there not moving for hours like I
don't know a trained guard dog or
something but instead I'm looking for
people's stamps on their hands or VIP
bands or something like that I have no
hack for body language I I'm not even
sure that it's a thing um mirroring and
and and like holding masculine frame and
all of that stuff I'm sure there's
better and worse ways to sit being
crunched over think if you're sat
upright and you're looking around that's
and you're awake that's usually a good
start red
hh7 FD if you could give one piece of
advice to the young version of you what
would you give it's the same one the
same one all the time which is fearless
uh I think a lot
of my life both now and in the past is
driven by fear uh worry
anxiety vigilance being concerned that
things are going to go wrong or that
you've done wrong
this sense I've had for a long time that
someone's mad at me and I don't know why
uh so fearing less I think about that
would
be a a good place for me to start and
one of the interesting things that you
realize with this question what advice
would you give a young person of you
younger version of you is
that if you ask yourself that
question and you get somewhere close to
an accurate answer of
it that thing that you wish that you
could tell a younger version of you is
almost always the single most important
thing that you need to tell the current
version of you uh I'm yet to hear an
answer where the person has totally
sanitized themselves from the issue that
that thing would have fixed uh so
think about what you would tell yourself
10 years ago and then apply it to your
life right now um yeah CJ wolf
ST1 Qi do you think it's humanly
possible for you to get through a
podcast without saying
Downstream well definitely not now I
don't know whether I've said Downstream
yet so far but now you've made me
say it so I I can't use this as
an example do I say it that much do I
say Downstream all the time
I might do now I'm worried that I say it
every other sentence uh I'm
going to try at some point soon CJ CJ
wolf uh but you've thrown me a curveball
by making me say it today so not this
time smoking Groove does any part of you
miss the nightlife scene do you know
what it is I've been reflecting on it
more recently and I do
miss like the memories I miss working
with the boys building something I miss
the interplay of the the team of staff
that we had you know 10 to 20 managers
that were very very very tight and then
200 to 300 staff every year I I loved it
I really did and in retrospect it's sort
of one of those things where you can
only realize how beautiful it was uh
with a bit more perspective I certainly
miss working with my business partner
Darren um I me just a phenomenal
shrewd like Savage of a business person
who uh I you could drop him you like one
of those uh throw me to the wolves and
I'll come back the leader of the pack
it's like throw him into any industry
and he'll fix so much of the operations
so I certainly miss working with him and
uh it is fun but I do not miss the late
nights and the drunk people and the loud
music and uh fair play the club
promoters that keep it going into your
late 30s I mean
I salute you Jake are you redpilled if
not how many steps removed from Red Pill
are you I don't know how to answer that
question um The Red Pill hates
me uh the manosphere absolutely does not
take me as one of their own I have never
identified myself as those
things I seem to sit in this amazing
sort of balance where people on the left
or people that are sort of more ardently
femin
like fourth wave feminism see me as a
misogynist and then people on the right
or people that are red pilled in the
manosphere see me as a cck so I'm
like I I I'm ideologically spit roasted
by either side of this I don't know um
no I I don't I if red pilled means
understand evolutionary psychology and
mating Dynamics yes uh if it means
anything else I don't think so
ganor can I get a VIP for Riverside mate
uh people won't get this reference I
wonder how many people in the audience
will get this reference
maybe less than 0.1 of a percent
Riverside was one of the big events that
we ran for half a decade we did
maybe quarter of a million entries more
probably through that venue uh on a
Saturday and uh I ran the VIP along with
the rest of the event so um yes you can
certainly if it's still open I I will
see you there on
Saturday sagacity sweet science why
don't you challenge your guests uh I'm
trying uh I tried with Nate Silva I
tried with Shapiro I tried really hard
with c means I thought that was me
giving it a really really good crack I
tried with the therapist lady where my
mold brain doesn't want to let me
remember her what was she called
bad therapy Abigail shria um it's a
skill set that I'm building up I'm
working hard at sitting with discomfort
um I did one thing that I was pretty
proud of on the will Tennyson episode
which was he was telling this uh story
he was getting emotional uh and you want
to step in to stop the thing from
happening you want to fix the other
person and I have
a compulsion where I feel like other
people's emotional state are my
responsibility so as a people call that
people pleasing or or what or you could
call that just being a good person I
don't know uh pathology or or uh like
charity
but sitting with the discomfort of
emotion is something that I'm really
learning I learned it first from the
theovon episode that he did with Shan
Strickland which is just
amazing sitting with that giving him
space and then telling him what I
thought which was I was sorry that he'd
gone through it that was I thought that
was really I was happy that I did that
and I was proud of the way it went um
when it comes to pushing back against
ideas and all the rest of it I do I
think I'm trying harder but there is uh
always more to be done Adam who was your
toughest guest and what would you have
done differently with Mr Dawkins great
interview by the way I well I mean it
feels like you're begging the question a
little bit there uh Dawkins wasn't an
easy one uh firstly homeboy 80 secondly
he's kind of disagreeable in any case
thirdly we basically had the same
conversation the night before uh so
thank you for enjoying it um but that
was that was a tough one
I prematurely blowing my load in front
of 1200 Richard Dawkins fans and
then 16 hours later sitting down to be
like right I've shown all of my cards do
I have any more cards do I have anything
else that I can talk about without going
over the old stuff um that was that was
uh was a bit of a
battle Rahul when's the next episode
with Mr hosi coming out he was just on
he's been on twice this year and was
twice last year so I think he's he's
he's benched he's chilling out for the
time being some point probably first
half of next year he'll be back
Payton below
do did you have a backup plan or was it
all or nothing for the
podcast
uh so it happened in stages that when I
first started the podcast I was still
running Voodoo my events company I was
still modeling was that DJing it stopped
DJing but you know I had a lot of
different things going on I had my
properties in the UK and was
just like learning about me um so I was
living perfectly comfortably but then
the move to America uh that was all or
nothing and I never really spoke about
it at the time how much of a a risk it
was I guess I never also thought about
it all that much that I just knew that I
was happier out here so I wanted to just
go and it kind of didn't really care
what I was risking but I'm so risk
averse um for the people out there that
are just terrified of taking risks like
I'm here with you uh but I reached
whatever unbelievably high threshold I
needed in order to be able to convince
me that I should uh actually commit to
this
decision yeah if I'd come out here and
the podcast had gone wrong or if it does
go wrong still like it's not like I've
reached escape velocity with finances or
or status or business anything like that
like I still need to work every single
day in order to keep this thing going
and if it doesn't work I'm going to have
to go back to the UK with my tail
between my legs looking like a a right
knob
so yeah it was when I pulled the pin
exited my last company I couldn't go
back couldn't be like oh hey would you
mind having me back in the company that
I just left um I would I don't know what
I would have done I don't know what I
will do if if that happens
so fingers crossed it
doesn't check 82 hey Chris I've been
watching you since the beginning and I'm
so proud of your accomplishments thank
you can you give an update on your
experience in therapy I'm a male
therapist in training and I'm a happy
positive figure in the men's space is
talking about therapy it makes my blood
boil watching some amazing friends
struggle through their life the 30s and
40s and feeling so low we have a crisis
on our hands thank you for promoting
Mental Health on your channel keep it
real bro thank you I appreciate that
um so I did therapy twice a week for
round about the last year
maybe with travel and stuff about nine
months and I've actually stopped now
I've taken a little break for a while
partly because again this is how it's s
like the talking about the health thing
just falls out of you only way
that you can say it is to be truthful I
need more time per week to focus on the
stuff that I need to do in order to be
able to recover uh which is like IVs uh
sauna
sessions charcoal
like tablet shower after you go
in the sa like it's just it's complex
there's a lot of that I need to do
in order to be able to get my health
back so uh I had to sacrifice something
something had to break and I was taking
2 hours to get two and from therapy
twice a week so it's was 4 hours a week
at the perfect time at the end of one of
my days two of my days so uh I stopped
my experience with therapy was I learned
more about myself in
therapy in the space
of 9 months than in 5 years of
meditation that's not to say that either
are better or worse but from
a self- knowledge self understanding
standpoint uh it is phenomenal it's like
inviting somebody into your house and
you've lived in this house your entire
life and they start walking around
pointing out
rooms that you didn't realize were there
like what's that door where does that
door lead to you go holy like I
didn't even and you open it and there's
all of this stuff in there you go holy
and then you realize that the back
of the kitchen that you did know about
leads to this Corridor that you just
found out about and that leads leads
into this and everything starts to
connect and make sense and um yeah it's
a an iron stake of perspective sort of
stabbed through the middle of a lot of
your assumptions about yourself um it's
very good but it's rough uh it's not
easy because you can't hide away
from
the things that you use bravado
or uh momentum
self-deception uh ignorance willful
ignorance um to just cover over you
can't you can't smooth things over in
that way uh it just there is really
nowhere to hide if you're doing it right
so um good but to be used with caution
uh would be my
advice Ben Rose 2329 what's been your
favorite books that you've read this
year okay this is an easy one
hell
um so what have I really
enjoyed uh medit for Mortals by Oliver
burkman that's his new one that just
came out and I got to read that early
and then he came on the show and I
love that man he's so great
meditations for Mortals highly
recommended you read it once a day for
four weeks so there's like 28 small
chapters and uh it's fantastic so that's
one um I read seven EES again which is
just this outstanding sci-fi book I went
through a period where uh when I was
feeling sad on a nighttime I was
comforting myself with chick novels so I
read the housemade uh that's actually
pretty good uh uh Andrew michaeles or
Alex Michel lady's book um the silent
patient also really great good twist at
the end um started trying to read Verity
by Colleen Hoover it's just loads of sex
scenes so I bailed out of that um what
else have I read that I really enjoyed
the anxious Generation by Jonathan
height was good
um Ted McKenna's spiritual enlightenment
now uh is just so fantastic every time
that I I think
about the path that you're on from an
Enlightenment perspective and
spirituality it's a like the most
objective look that I've ever had the
least woo esoteric look at just what
enlightenment is from a person who seems
pretty enlightened um I've read
some other stuff on
night times as well that I can't
remember I'll come back to you Nile
Berry 202 who are your favorite
bodybuilders past and present would love
to see some of the '90s early 2000s
Legends on the Pod love your recent
Vlogs man unbelievable work ethic thank
you uh favorite bodybuilders I mean
Ronnie is an absolute Legend it kind of
makes me sad to see him now you know
it's this guy that used to be just this
man Mountain Behemoth and now he's got
to kind of gently walk him self from
bench to leg press it's I mean the guy
still just seems so positive
which is amazing um
Dorian Legend uh he was a little bit
before my time who
else like it would be interesting to see
where some of the old animal athletes
are like Branch Warren I think he didn't
he fall off a horse hurt himself Branch
Orum would be awesome to speak to um I
know that a bunch of the guys listen to
the Pod Ben pakulski in particular has
reached out it' be cool to speak to him
because he's pivoted everyone's gone in
different directions spirituality or
business or something else um but yeah
there's
some techie 8036 Legend last time you
told me about how you fixed your back
problems this time please be kind enough
to give us the detailed start to finish
of how you increase your testosterone
all right yes I talked about this uh
last year uh I worked with Marik health
and uh now working with function and
they are blood testing companies I think
the first thing is that you need to work
out what's going on inside of your body
so you need to get your Bloods done you
can't fix any of it people talking about
just like randomly increasing the
testosterone levels and they have no
idea what their testosterone is um so
certainly for
me playing around with like FSH and lsh
and what's your sex hormone binding
globulin you don't just get to sort of
throw a oniz fits-all hammer at the
problem you can do that and it'll
probably reliably give you results but
there's lighter more precise ways to do
it uh all of that being said I'm not
convinced that I'm the best person to
talk about increasing testosterone
because this year with all of the stuff
that I've been going through uh that has
been a big problem so I think the only
reason I've held on to any good
condition is because of training a lot
consistently uh but one of the problems
that comes along with like chronic
inflammation and
autoimmune uh is it's not fantastic for
testosterone cortisol and testosterone
are not friends so uh this year has
been again a uh a difficult one I don't
mean to be a such a Debbie
Downer today but the alternative is that
I just don't tell you what's been going
on and uh yeah I'm not I don't want to
do that
Geneva Arthur 8747 been listening since
early 2020 my number one podcast ever
since thank you I'm a 51-year-old mom of
three and I've learned so much from you
and your guests which has helped me in
this phase of my parenting Journey with
grown kids aged 16 to 23 currently your
podcast isn't meant to be a parenting
podcast but I'm a better mother due in
part to so much of what you've
shared wow thank you uh one question
when will you finally get a golden
retriever puppy I need a dog I feel like
all of the all my whining and all of my
bitching about like things are hard and
I'm tired and my brain doesn't work
would basically be fixed if I had a a
nice little golden just here so maybe
that's the answer to all of these
questions uh that being said uh I do get
to hang around with a uh new dog called
Monroe he's beautiful and I get to see
him uh relatively frequently at the
house so I've got a little bit I'm
slowly inching myself toward that but
given I can't look after myself right
now puppy might be a bit of a big ask
but
soon bradicus
Finch what do you do in those times
where even though you know you're doing
the work and making the right choices
for your future you have that nagging
sense of what if this is it for me and
there is no more what right do I have to
expect anything more for myself it's
hard sometimes not to feel like will in
Fresh Prince asking what if I never get
my life together semi-related note
thought on be tooth surface as a
positive metal album it very much feels
like if modern wisdom was a
record I mean first off the be to thing
is phenomenal and I what's the new song
attention my God so good so yes
everybody should go and listen to btoo
the surface especially the track
ATN on that
um what do you do in the times when even
though you know you're working hard
enough if you have this nagging sense of
what if this is it for me and there is
no more I don't know man I think
expanding a Time Horizon here is pretty
important
um it's hard because of the people that
you listen to if you're listening to
podcast like this and reading
introspective books and doing journaling
and self work and all the rest of it
your comparison group is so skewed you
are comparing yourself with the smartest
most introspective most balanced people
in the world and you're watching all of
these YouTubes and podcasts and and
reading these books and trying these
practices and you're comparing yourself
to perhaps literally the number one
person in whatever this domain is that
you're trying to get better in and
you're permanently going to be in their
Shadow you have posited an ideal and by
Design you're going to begin comparing
yourself to that ideal guess what you're
going to fall short I think if you
expand your time Horizon and you start
to look
over months and years rather than days
and weeks you will begin to see that
what feels like no more
progress and that this is all that there
is for you that you actually have been
making consistent progress throughout
that and the alternative is stopping
trying to get better um this what I
think it is very much is a fear this
fear that this might be it that things
might not get get better but one of the
ways that you can guarantee that things
will not get better is to stop working
at them um there are very few problems
in life that a little bit more
attention won't help with that doesn't
mean work harder always uh attention can
result in you actually needing to take a
little bit of a foot off the gas but
it's paying attention
right and paying attention also includes
expanding your your time Horizon and
realizing God look at where I was two
years ago and look at where I am now and
you you have every right to wh that
things aren't coming as quickly as you
would like and that the required pace of
progress that you need in order to stay
motivated is not where it's at so
motivation is waning that's fine you're
that's that's okay but me you've
got here like you've
done an hour and 20 minutes into
listening to me half on about
introspection and and and lonely chapter
and and health problems and you
are learning things from people not me
other
people who are able to change your
entire life and I I really really feel
like just being less hard on yourself
and and not fearing that things aren't
going to come your way I'm I'm pretty
much adamant
that the out comes that you are supposed
to get in life are the ones that you're
going to get and over a long enough time
Horizon people usually end up getting
what they deserve and that for somebody
that asks these kind of questions I
think will be exactly what you
want Joe sh do any episodes stand out as
ones that underachieved in viewership
compared to the value it provided
conversely did any do really well that
you didn't think was your best work
that's interesting it's hard with the
best work thing
because I can be surprised by the
performance it's like underachieved in
viewership uh do really well that wasn't
your best work what creates viewership
and best work is not the same thing so
really really great episodes often don't
do lots of plays but that's not what
drives the viewership in any case so for
instance uh telsy gabbard came on
earlier this year and destroyed the
internet 6 million 7 million plays uh
was pretty surprised by that in
retrospect maybe shouldn't have been but
still kind of was um great episode
interesting thought that she was an
engaging speaker uh but Oliver burkeman
which is one of my top 10 episodes this
year awesome so cool exactly why I
started this show this sort of precise
self-deprecating view of The Human
Condition and productivity and life and
what it's all about I knew that that was
never going to do huge plays but that
did really well like it didn't it
underachieved in in viewership but as
far as I'm concerned it it Val provided
all of the value that I wanted to uh so
yeah the Oliver burkman won I wish I
could gift that to everybody that
listens it's so fantastic um and Tulsa
would be too or I'm like wow that came
out of nowhere and then the Eric one
Eric's popular but me that last
episode just went to the
moon coold to five sold for the new
merch design any updates
uh I I really probably should just get
my act together and get this sorted but
um I've said I mean people have been
asking for this for like two and a half
million Subs so I I probably just should
stop staving things off and actually get
round to
it l Barber 83 have you ever considered
updating a list of 100 bucks you must
read yeah I should do that too um that's
a little
bit old now that being said there I
believe in those books and I believed in
those books when I wrote that list and
even if I was to update it I'm not it's
not like I would swap out all 100
because there are 100 books that you
should read before you die maybe 30
would change or 50 would change perhaps
but there's some like the almanac and
Nal rant's not going anywhere sensualism
by Greg mchu is not going anywhere red
rising's not going anywhere um I don't
know that's not a bad shout uh I'll I'll
consider it and if I can make it better
and if I disagree with more than 30% of
it I'll consider doing it kpe DM gg1 HG
what would you say to a young man who
was very lonely that looks up to you as
an
idol uh I'm sorry that you're very
lonely and I know how it
feels
and I hope that this show provides some
Solace like a little an oasis
of comfort and uh some compatriots even
if they're virtual and on the other side
of the internet and a community of
people who actually are into this stuff
as well it does feel I remember from
listening to you know Peterson 2016 or
you Sam Harris or whatever it is if
you're living in but nowhere nobody
around you that seems to be interested
in the stuff that you're interested in
can be a very isolating uh experience
and it can kind of actually be even more
isolating because you know that
somewhere out there there's people that
are interested in the things that you're
interested in but they're not here and
the fact that you know that they're
there almost makes it
feel like more your fault more real or
something um but I'm sorry man I hope
that I get to see one of the live shows
or uh that you find your tribe I promise
that there are people out there that are
interested in the stuff that you're
interested in and uh you're worthy of
finding
them Ethan 56 hey Chris congrats love
the show how to deal with the lonely
chapter and loneliness while pursuing
your goals I've been working toward my
goals for the past few years where I
lost all my friends this year I'm quite
young and struggle to find meaningful
friendships and relationships how to
find meaningful friendships and
relationships while pursuing your goals
and coming up really appreciate you
again congrats I'm definitely seeing a
trend here this sort of lonely chapter
loneliness I'm growing my friends are
falling behind oh and not coming with me
and I I I have to make this odd trade
between wanting to change myself and
wanting to be accepted and there's this
tension and then I feel this guilt about
leaving them behind uh I'm young and
struggle to find meaningful
relationships and friendships being
honest dude when you're young meaningful
friendships and
relationships are hard to find so don't
see that as a personal curse that is
endemic it is built into to the age that
you are at which is one that's young it
takes most people a long time to
actually start to really care about the
meaning that they put into their
friendships and I didn't really think
about that until I was 27 28 you know so
much of it especially with my industry
was
transactional it was transient it was uh
friendships of Fortune and and um
convenience
so half take it as a compliment for the
fact that you're young but have
progressed quickly half take it as not a
personal curse but uh an accepted uh
problem that any mindful introspective
thoughtful person has to deal with and
then take solace in the fact that
there's so many other people so I keep
itching this mustache which
needs to go it needs to come off
um take solace in the fact that you're
not the only person that's asked this
question how many other people three
other people five of the people from I
know there's like 2,000 questions every
time that we do this and then they get
they get stripped down uh so many other
people are dealing with this as well so
it's not just you and the challenge that
you're facing is not one that only you
have to go through and everybody that
wants to get to the other side of it and
is where you are has to go through this
you have to go through
it so go through
it Dylan Burch congrats bro I've
listened to hundreds of hours of your
podcast thank you what's one what's one
the the number one productivity tip you
can think of and if possible the
scientific backing reasoning for it
thanks so much keep it up uh scientific
productivity tip is a little bit
difficult um certainly from a learning
perspective memory is repeated recall
not repeated exposure is the best
tagline you're going to have to recall
that a number of times if you want to be
able to learn it but the way that the
memory system works is not by seeing a
thing a lot of times so if you were to
read a page once and then try and recall
what was on the page you will remember
way more than if you read that page 10
times it is all about repeated recall
not repeated exposure uh secondly I
guess there's a nice breakdown of
procrastination uh you can sort of break
it out into a series of steps like do I
know what I need to do next do I know
how I need to do that thing um it kind
of helps you to overcome a lot of the
time at least for me the science of
procrastination seems to suggest that
most of the time when you're not doing a
thing you don't know what you're
supposed to do so it's an IL defined
next step and if you do know what to do
you don't know how to do it so if you
get over those two things typically uh
procrastination tends to fall away at
least uh for me when I'm being my gold
standard
self John
omler I'm really curious about when and
how you got into metal metal core not to
judge your book by its cover but I
wouldn't expect someone with your
background in the nightclub scene to
enjoy that particular genre also thanks
for turning me on to sleep token I can't
get enough of take me back to Eden
yeah that's what I'm here for this
entire podcast is me just trying to
slowly get people to listen to sleep
token um yeah I guess I've been wearing
metal shirts on the show more um
because I can finally dress myself and
decided that I was going to dress like
14-year-old me dreamed he could have
dressed which is to have a ton of
different metal band T-shirts um I've
got in I I was listening to this music
when I was 13 14 14ish 145 was when I
first started getting into to it and
then especially throughout college and
all throughout uni I mean I went through
the full gamut from job for a cowboy
to avenge sevenfold to every time I die
to Bullet for My Valentine to atray you
and then bring me and you know and then
sort of phased up into now what this
slightly more melodic slightly more
mature sound is the Polarises of the
world the Sleep tokens Bill Murray um
that I know it's it's I love it I love
it I'm never going to stop listening to
it so I'm I'm glad and polaris's album
from last year highly highly highly
recommended get it on Zion s45 what
would you like as a
teenager uh pretty uncool I think
um pretty uh socially
inept uh not exactly a charmer um
and like not worldly very unworldly
didn't really understand how the world
worked at all I really wish I know
there's no I think there's zero video of
me from when I was a kid I have no idea
where that would have even come from I
really wish that I could show the
difference between then and now you know
like people bring up videos of sneer or
whatever and he's 13 and they compare it
with his red pill Arc and his
Islam Arc um unfortunately because I was
13 like 20 years ago I that wasn't
around
um pretty uncool and uh spending a lot
of time on my
own kin Sanchez I read the Red Rising
Trilogy and the King filler Chronicle
Books because you recommended them along
with Tim Ferris I think they were great
recommendations yeah got any more
uh seven EES Dude Love seven EES read it
at least three times now I think that's
fantastic the gotten Highlander by alist
Art also great that's real life
non-fiction what am I reading at the
moment lexicon I've got uh I went
through my chick novel phase earlier
this year when I was feeling sad about
myself um I can't I can't remember the
rest of this I don't think I've done a
massive amount of reading from that side
I read a um tax Topia which was pretty
cool but the Red Rising King filer
Chronicles are just outstanding I read
the narrow road between desires which is
the new Nolla that Patrick rothus wrote
and I tried to get into a bunch of other
stuff but I've swung and missed a few
times this year with
non-fiction Josh Taft
YouTube Do you ever worry about talking
about things you are not well versed in
and how do you overcome that fear of
saying something wrong well as the first
question for today highlight I do
sometimes say things wrong especially if
my brain isn't working correctly uh do I
worry about talking things I'm not well
versed in I think you can usually get
away with that if you identify that
you're not an expert um the internet
doesn't have
a a particularly good forgiveness
mechanism for people playing with ideas
and this is Eric Weinstein's idea of an
accuracy budget that if you restrict
only experts to speak on the things that
they are experts in nobody else is
allowed to talk about or play around
with ideas outside of their tight domain
of competence or whatever what you end
up with is a situation where no one can
ever play with ideas in the way that
precisely sort of cross domain learning
is supposed to work so I don't know I'm
trying
to I'm purposefully trying to get out
over my skis and and come up with new
ideas I came up with this thing to do
with OIC uh a little while ago and I
really enjoyed this evolutionary
psychology perspective on why thin
people seem to be
very critical of widespread OIC use and
my theory was that
uh people who were able to easily get
thin reduce down the status associated
with being thin previously it was
something that was difficult to achieve
and required willpower now it just
requires an injection once a week
oversimplification obviously uh see now
I'm having to caveat everything in case
I put my foot in it again
um that I thought was an interesting
take is it right probably not but I like
playing with it and I tried to caveat
within that post which was I actually Ed
the word Bros signed Theory so talking
about stuff that you're not well versed
in just stay up top look I've got no
idea what I'm talking about but here's a
notion that you should consider I think
you can usually get away with that how
do I overcome the fear of saying
something wrong be around people who are
forgiving of your ideas like you want to
be around people who are like yeah
that's interesting I think it's total
that's not a bad take that's
the perfect environment to be
in quote Brainiac
2593 how to deal with the guilt of
ghosting all your friends and
acquaintances I'm an introvert but for
the last 10 years tried to be more
extroverted accepting invitations to
Gatherings and giving much of my time
and energy to help friends since the
last 6 months been extremely reclus from
everyone as I recover from burnout and
work on my business feel like a fake who
manipulated them through a performance
of kindness not through though not
malice yeah that's a difficult one um I
don't think you necessarily need to
ghost them my advice here would be to
just say hey I'm really working hard on
my business and I'm dealing with
burnout I'd love to catch up at some
point in future
uh the fact that you're an
introvert who for a full decade managed
to be more extroverted and overcome it
um suggests to me that you have a lot of
capacity and at the moment maybe you
just need a bit of time to recover so I
would just tell them like be truthful
hey I'm working on some stuff on my own
would love to catch up but I I just need
a little bit of space I've had to do
that this year like it's been really bad
I'm an hour and a half deep into this I
can talk as much as I want
um I've had to do something not not too
dissimilar this year although it wasn't
because I made myself more extroverted
uh one of
the really sort of unenjoyable
challenges of some of the health stuff
I've gone through is it impacts your
mood and your extra version and your
bravery as well sort of your courage to
go out and do things and your desire to
be around people uh so I've ignored
texts or not replied to text for ages
because I was embarrassed to say that I
don't want to come out or can't come out
or that it just feel too rough or or I
don't know just I didn't want to see
people I didn't want to hang about and I
I wanted still keep the show going and I
wanted you know keep this momentum and
keep learning and and doing all the rest
of the stuff and something had to give
and a lot to be honest this year a lot
of that was social engagements and and
spending time with friends so a lot of
friendships have had to drop um and a
lot of the time with that I just had to
say hey man like I'd love to hang but
I'm just I'm sort of going through it at
the moment
so like I'll loop back to you when
things are better and most people well
everybody actually was like dude
like I'm so sorry to hear that if
there's anything I can do to help let me
know so for the friends that I didn't
get round to replying to I'm sorry and
for the friends that said I hope that
everything gets better I appreciate you
and I think that your friends would say
something not too disimilar as well
nobody wants to force their friend out
who's got burnout and he's
recovering from it and he's building a
business like ju what what to entertain
them like to wh roll you out like some
dancing monkey those aren't
friends
uhan one how did you deal with
loneliness in school yeah
really digging into my past
traumas here aren't we
um how did I deal with loneliness in
school to be honest I just don't think I
knew that I was lonely I mean I was I
was alone all the time all I did was be
alone I was alone in my room playing I
was alone in the schoolyard I was alone
in lessons I was alone walking home uh
so I played Sports which was good
because Sports Force you onto a team and
I was good at sports which was also
great because people kind of want you
around even if you're socially kind of
uh useless um if you're uh useful uh in
a sporting environment you're functional
um people keep you around so that was
good I guess I made
myself I made myself useful uh and I
wonder whether that's a lesson that kind
of followed me a little bit into uh
adulthood which is in order for the
world to love you you need to be useful
or competent or impressive or whatever
and that goes back to one of the
questions from before which is how many
people striving in success is very very
tied to this need for validation uh this
sort of compensatory
mechanism I dealt with it by not knowing
that it was a problem
and
uh yeah I think in many ways it makes
you very robust as an adult because
you're so used to being on your own you
don't like oh moving to a new country
and not knowing a single person fine I
got going to know more people more
quickly than I did for the you know half
decade that I was in school
um yeah it's weird kids are resilient
man like it seems like the more that I
learn about parenting Styles and stuff
unless you do something really really
atrocious to your kid for the most part
they end up coming out like pretty fine
or at least I did um after a lot of work
that's not to say see I'm now I'm caveat
again in case I get in trouble
from the internet and it gets clipped
not saying that you can neglect your
child and that's an optimal way to raise
them what I am saying is that parents
who are concerned about not being
perfect or about their CH children going
through difficult things I think that
they are more resilient than we all give
them credit for and if we look back at
our own childhoods what we realize is
that we dealt with stuff that we were
very very uh we we wouldn't want our
kids to go through and yet we came
out not totally shattered into pieces
maybe just a little bit
fractured realistic management how do
you stay grounded with all the demands
of your new found success the grounded
thing to be honest is pretty easy um I'm
not around many people I don't have a
particularly big ego much to the uh
perhaps surprise of people that don't
know me well but no I I've never
struggled with ego I
think
being so self-critical it's like it's
weird
low self-esteem or low confidence is a
good proxy for humbleness like it does
keep you humble how can you ever get too
big for your boots when you don't ever
believe that you're worthy of the things
that you've done so it's like it's
certainly not optimal but functionally
it ends up doing uh not too different of
a service um one of the more difficult
things has been working out whether
people want to be sort of in your life
or around you
because they like you as a person or
because they think I don't know that
there's some status to be associated
with hanging around with you which even
that like what am I rapper with
like some mon like Montage what's it
called Entourage of people see mold
brain uh this Entourage of people around
me
um I don't think that I have
this I don't know orbiters blast radius
Paradise thing uh that would flate my
ego to that point so uh and also I still
work with most of the people that I did
each new member of staff I don't think
anybody's joined and
left Mormon Ben assistant who joined
four years ago is still with us Dean
that was with me six and a half years
ago still with me and each different
person that comes along that I hang
around with uh they keep my feet on the
ground they definitely don't sort of
believe any
hype only the paranoid survive 444
congrats Chris any new dating advice
have you been having any luck finding a
woman with similar interests and depths
to their Consciousness maybe I'm simply
looking in all the wrong places You'
been having any luck finding a woman
with similar interests or depths to
their Consciousness this is going to be
a hard question for me to answer
isn't it
um personally not being a massive
priority uh just trying to hold my life
together this year has been a full-time
job so any new dating advice finding a
woman with similar interests and depths
to their
Consciousness if you are the sort of
person that cares about the way that
somebody else
thinks I
think allowing allowing yourself to not
at least as a
guy allowing yourself to not be
distracted by Pretty Girls is a really
really good idea because there are so
many times where there will be a hot
pretty gold that you think wow like you
know maybe this is exactly perfect and
then you realize that you don't have
anything in common I'm sure that it has
to be the same for girls as well some
bloke that they go on a date with
they're like you're really handsome and
we have nothing in
common and I am kind of losing brain
cells by talking to you you just need to
cut and run from those I think I know
that it's seductive and I I know that
they look pretty and I know they smell
nice and I know that they like flick
their hair in a cute way or whatever but
they're not for you they're for someone
but it's not for you so um
like have the courage of your standards
in that area now if you start to get
yourself into the realm of well they
need to be PhD level or above and they
need to be this BMI and they need to
have this boob size and they need to be
this Ed and all the rest of it you're
starting to
set very high bars but what it sounds
like is that you're struggling to find
similar interests steps to Consciousness
okay optimize for that don't optimize
for the other stuff if you start
optimizing for the other stuff you will
sacrifice these and maybe you'll come
across a unicorn and they've got
absolutely everything but don't get
distracted by pretty girls and pretty
guys when you're looking for people with
similar interests and deep
consciousnesses that's my
advice Eduardo Muno official what is the
best way to manage the painful of being
exceptional I mean how can you follow
through with your purpose and goals
taking the necessary actions to achieve
them and not doing what everyone else
does when the only proof you have that
you're doing the right thing is
entrepreneurship and self-improvement
content on
YouTube this is the other side of the
Lonely chapter so part of it is the
social side and the other part of it is
the uncertainty that the actions you are
taking are going to lead to positive
outcomes at the end of your life I mean
I don't have a title for my book uh and
the amount of people that bring up this
lonely chapter thing is wild the lonely
chapter for a
book kind of sounds a bit miserable but
it's definitely resonating with people
so um I don't know I I maybe maybe I
should do a a more Deep dive on it but
yes you're doing all of this stuff
you're learning all of these
productivity techniques and you're
watching these YouTube videos and you're
listening to these podcasts and you're
taking these online courses and you've
got skillshare and you've got readwise
and you're doing space repetition and
morning routine and and you have no idea
if it's going to work but the thing is
no one has any idea if it's going to
work that is a painful cost of trying to
do things with no promise that they're
going to
succeed if you knew that it was going to
work there would be no risk in doing it
because it would be certain so everybody
has to deal with this this is the thing
this is why I use this term personal
curse it was what I wrote for myself
you're not you haven't been given this
bespoke
idiosyncratic challenge that only you
have to face this is what every person
who gets from a place that they are to a
place that they want to be has to go
through because you need to try things
with no promise that they are going to
work there's no confirmation of Glory or
success or Accolade or Prestige or
anything on the other side none of it at
all you're just it's and it's not even
like your Dave David Goggins with broken
legs running a a Navy SEAL hell
week it's
mundane
daily just uncertainty and like ambient
malays as you're reading another book on
meditation and you're sitting down with
your eyes closed listening to Sam Harris
tell you to listen to your
breath you don't know that it's going to
work but that is the challenge the
challenge is no
certainty that's the way it is
and the pain cost of being exceptional
is getting through that
uncertainty
monai
941 how scared should I be of
mold uh yeah okay so this was I guess
another element of uh the Litany of
health problems I've had this year uh
much of it least in part was brought on
by the past house that I was in the
previous Studio which why we're in a new
studio which isn't killing me hooray
um ah I don't want to like put the
shits up everybody because so many
houses especially what's called
subtropical temperatures will have mold
for loads of people it's not a problem
so how scared should you be of mold for
loads of people not at all um but for
some people for people who have a
disposition for uh autoimmune problems
or for other people who work themselves
quite hard and are maybe running their
immune system system a little bit
ragged I'd get your heal tested and if
you are tired no matter how long you
sleep and if you are dealing with brain
fog and if you feel like your mood is
never up no matter what you do that
happiness is something that is a heavy
lift naturally when it shouldn't be and
it wasn't
previously I would get your house tested
for mold and I would get an immune
Market test done um there's a number
that you can get done quite easily and I
would check what's going on in your
blood so for many people it's totally
not totally not an issue if you've got
mold in your house but for some people
it's just get out don't try and
remediate it just leave your
house kwin 9292 when you have an
academic like Eric Weinstein on the Pod
and he's branching out in all different
directions hitting topics and Concepts
you might not understand or heard of do
you then go back over the interview and
take a deeper dive into these things to
educate yourself further if so how do
you do it do you make a note and then
take a deeper dive into reading or
watching the docs love the show let's go
3 million thank you um I have done some
of that especially on the episodes that
I really want to go back over I usually
Eric's a good example because I have no
idea where he's going to go um
so I can't really sort of detect it
Oliver burkman for instance I'll go back
and listen to that but I've done so so
much prep and I understand his work so
well I think that I I know where it's
going to go I don't really need to
remind myself after I can just sort of
luxuriate as it goes along Weinstein is
much more like riding a very unsafe
roller coaster car and holding on for
dear life and hoping that you don't get
thrown out so I don't take a ton of
notes after the episode remembering that
doing three a week means I already need
to be thinking about the next one um but
I do revisit them and I do enjoy
listening to guests on the show because
I made the show for me like they're all
people I want to speak to by Design so
yeah Ryan's Spalding what's the
underlying theme behind every interview
you've done like does it seem like
there's a particular mindset or advice
that's common in most if not all of the
interviews you've
done says two questions I guess the
under
theme is just how to understand yourself
uh that's the thing I wanted to learn
when I first started the show um I
didn't understand myself I didn't
understand how the world worked and I
hoped that if I spoke to enough people
who did that maybe it would help and I
think it has uh the particular mindset
or advice that's common in most if not
all of the interviews that I've done it
does vary but there is this sort of
sense of letting go of sort of
relinquishing ing of control uh a
reduction of fear um that I think
is is very common across a lot of the
episodes um people people learning
to not fear so much about the outcomes
that they're going to get in their lives
but working harder um so it's this odd
blend right between the two it's this
beautiful you can do it you can work
harder and also the outcomes that you're
going to get are going to come along uh
no matter
uh how much you fear or vacillate about
them so uh even in that there is a
paradox which I think is why continuing
to go over the same kinds of topics is
interesting because it each time it
gives you a new perspective and gives
you a way to manage the the distinction
and the tension between these two
things
snowbear
u2i will we ever see a modern wisdom
Cinema production episode Bernie Sanders
his episode on Joe Rogan is still one of
the best episodes to date I love Bernie
on Rogan I thought that episode was
fantastic like I said we've tried to
bring him on I would love to speak to
him I think he's super interesting I I
mean think about all of the different
things that that guy seen he has
been like
competitor Outcast independent threat
then like back in the tent but I I would
why i' would really love to know I don't
know how much you can talk about this
think about the social politics
internally inside of the democratic
party if you're a guy who basically
tried to he was the Trump of the left
right he tried to sort of flip the I'm
aware not specifically but like look
caveat don't get me in trouble I promise
um he tried to sort of flip the table
over he was as close to that I think as
you're going to get on the left of a of
a disruptor in many ways I would love to
find out does he think that he was
sabotaged he seemed like he had all of
this momentum going in and then and then
it doesn't happen and God I mean yeah
he's he's great I think he's he's like a
fascinating individual um I would love
to I'm really trying to educate myself
about the best meaning parts of the left
I think the ways that the left gets it
wrong are so memed especially on my side
of the internet that it's very obvious
and it can sort of cause me certainly to
be like hyper sensitive to them I'm like
oh there's that thing again I'm like
right okay what is the
left in its absolute best light not from
Libs of Tik Tok not a takeown from the
daily wire what is the absolute sort of
best foot that they can put forward and
uh given that people are struggling with
cost of
living what does Bernie Sanders think
about immigration
I have no idea I have no idea what he
thinks about immigration it's the
biggest talking point for the right I'd
love to know so Bernie if you're
listening two hours deep into a 2.75
million Q&A episode call
me are Jones es7 you are is sobriety
still easy for you or is it the daily
regular Challenge and have temptations
as a fellow Brit it's the hardest thing
to kick because it's pretty much in our
blood as much as betting shops harder
than sigs I reckon yeah dude I um like I
wish that I could uh sympathize with you
but honestly I don't ever think about it
don't ever think about it
um I did like I say that six months
three times and then a thousand days
once and it just broke I two six Monon
periods broke it and then the thousand
days just annihilated it um there's no
part of me that ever
feels the compulsion to have a beer but
I remember what it was like I remember
what it was like as a British young dude
22 or 21 I was working at the AA doing
outbound T sales is that 20 I think it
was 20 or 21 outbound T sales and there
was a summer where I would get this
Friday afternoon itch it would
be 1 p.m. 2 p.m. and there would just be
this desire to have a
Corona and then to go and get on it with
the boys
that's how it f it was it was like an
itch a a a gravitational pull toward a
beer and
uh it's nothing like a a dependency
because I was only doing it every other
week or something I just really wanted
there was some times where it really
called to me
so I promise you if you work at it you
may need to change your friend group you
may need to go monk mode for a little
while I promise if you stick at it
you'll just something snaps inside of
that link that you have between having a
beer and having fun and sometimes having
a beer can be fun but the only way to
have fun is to have a beer that gets
severed
so yeah I hope that that helps wow that
was uh two hours look I um I appreciate
you guys
listening uh to
me start to open up about this stuff um
and I really
think that'll have the opportunity to
hopefully teach people who are dealing
with uh some of the health problems that
I've gone through um or are worried
about or need to learn about them I
really hope that that's something that
I'm going to be able to do more of on
the show appreciate you being patient
because it is like I'm learning out loud
in real time here uh trying to get
things right going to make errors going
to um
not be as transparent as I would like to
be and then have to rcon and say
hey I've been ill for however long or
whatever I've been dealing with um so
thank you for your patience thank you
for your support 3 million next my my
Lord uh all right I've waffled enough
appreciate you bye