11 Lessons From 900 Episodes - Alex Hormozi, Mark Manson & Winston Churchill
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In this 900th episode of Modern Wisdom, Alex Hormozi introduces a category he calls "unteachable lessons," insights that individuals consistently refuse to learn until they experience them firsthand despite abundant warnings from history and elders. These fundamental truths—such as money not guaranteeing happiness or fame failing to fix internal problems—are often dismissed by society when proclaimed by the wealthy or famous, yet people reliably fall prey to them anyway due to an innate desire for urgency in things like sexiness, adoration, and wealth. Hormozi argues that these lessons are so alluring because they distract us from more important matters, such as seeing our aging parents, leading most people to only realize their value after being burned by painful experiences. He notes a shift on his channel where fewer wealthy guests claim money solved everything, suggesting an emerging understanding of "post-money life" among listeners who recognize that financial success does not equate to personal fulfillment unless one has already deprogrammed deep-seated materialistic conditioning. Hormozi also explores the concept of "reverse charisma," inspired by Winston Churchill's mother Jenny Jerome’s observation that she felt cleverer when sitting next to Benjamin Disraeli than William Gladstone, illustrating how some people make others feel interesting rather than trying to be interesting themselves. This dynamic is crucial for deep friendships and relationships, as individuals who are comfortable with their own strangeness allow others to explore theirs safely without the need for constant self-editing or performance. Hormozi contrasts this collaborative approach with competitive interactions like tennis or pickup artist flowcharts designed solely to appear intriguing; instead, he advocates for a "beautiful game" mindset where the goal is not winning but creating engaging positions for everyone involved. He emphasizes that while being interesting requires effort and often feels necessary in professional settings, cultivating reverse charisma by asking questions and encouraging others is far easier and yields more meaningful connections than trying to project an artificial persona of interest. The discussion shifts to productivity with insights from Joe Hudson regarding the transition from operating as a "doer" to becoming an "idea guy," highlighting how many professionals become addicted to conspicuous busyness—answering emails, taking calls, and grinding out tasks—as a dopamine fix that masks existential loneliness rather than driving genuine progress. Hormozi explains that while this industrial-age mindset rewards visible effort over quiet effectiveness, it ultimately traps individuals in cycles of perfectionism across trivial areas like sleep routines or house cleanliness when they should be focusing on their core pursuits. He introduces the concept of "deliberate deoptimization," a strategy where one intentionally lets go of minor optimizations to preserve mental energy for what truly matters, noting that even if this balance feels unstable and requires constant adjustment, it is preferable to letting perfectionism bleed into every aspect of life until sanity is lost. Further lessons include research on bisexual prejudice within the gay community, where studies revealed that both gay men and lesbians often view bisexuality as a sign of instability or secret heterosexuality due to fears of competition or internalized societal norms; Hormozi also touches upon the controversial "fraternal birth order effect," suggesting an immune system link between older brothers in a family and subsequent male homosexuality, though he acknowledges recent replication crises that challenge these findings. He reflects on Kurt Vonnegut's quote about being what we pretend to be, using it to warn against social consistency bias where people feel trapped maintaining public personas incompatible with their private growth, citing the backlash faced by figures like Alex Okon when they changed dietary or lifestyle philosophies despite doing so for valid reasons. Finally, Hormozi addresses relationship dynamics through Chris Bumstead's advice on finding a partner who makes you safe enough to be vulnerable and accept being a burden without fear of judgment, contrasting spectacular career achievements with the misery of a terrible marriage versus an average career paired with love. He shares five reflective questions for evaluating relationships, emphasizing that true fulfillment comes from unapologetically being oneself around one's partner rather than hiding behind familiar loneliness or performing to please others. The episode concludes by rejecting the "black pill" mentality among men who blame women for their lack of success and instead encourages self-improvement through drive and confidence while recognizing structural societal challenges, ultimately urging listeners to focus on empathy and realistic standards that allow both genders to thrive without zero-sum thinking.
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all right what's happening people
welcome back to the show it is the 900th
episode of Modern wisdom big number
didn't think that I would do 900 of
anything I don't know whether I ever
have done 900 of anything uh but today
I'm going to go through some lessons
I've learned over the last 100 episodes
from life and from reading and from the
show and from other stuff so you're
going to get to learn that you're also
going to get to indulge in this
beautiful facial hair for a while I
don't know how long this mustache will
last so you limited time offer for you
to be able to enjoy it so bask in the
reflective Glory of my upper lip and
let's get into it so the first one uh I
was trying to put a name to this idea
for a while and I came up with
unteachable lessons it's a special
category of lesson one that you can't
discover without experiencing it
firsthand so there is a certain subset
of advice that for some reason we all
refuse to learn through instruction no
matter how arduous or costly or
effortful it's going to be for us to
find out for ourselves we prefer to
disregard the mountains of warnings that
we get from our elders and songs and
literature and historical catastrophes
and public scandals and instead we think
some version of yeah that might be true
for them but not for me we decide to
learn the hard lessons
the hard way over and over again and
unfortunately they all seem to be the
big things too it's never insights about
how to put a level shelves or charmingly
introduce yourself at a cocktail party
instead we spend most of our Lives
learning firsthand the most important
lessons that the previous generation
already warned us about things like
money won't make you happy or fame won't
fix yourself
or you don't love that pretty girl she's
just hot and difficult to get or nothing
is as important as you think it is when
you're thinking about it uh you will
regret working too much worrying isn't
improving your performance all of your
fears are a waste of time you should see
your parents more you'll be fine after
the breakup and you'll be grateful that
you did
it uh it's perfectly okay to cut toxic
people out of your life and even
listening to that list back I find
myself sort of rolling my eyes at how
[ __ ] trite it is because they are all
basic [ __ ] obvious insights that
everybody has heard before but if
they're so basic why does everybody so
reliably fall prey to them consistently
throughout our lives and if they're so
obvious why do people who have recently
become famous or wealthy or lost a
parent or gone through a breakup start
to Proclaim those facts with the sort of
renewed grandio ceremony of someone
who's just gone through religious
Revelation
it's strange that stuff everybody kind
of accepts as being true we all are
surprised about when it happens to us
and the other thing is it is a very
contentious list of points to say on the
internet so if I have an interview with
a billionaire who says that all of his
money didn't make him happy or a movie
star who says that her Fame felt like a
prison uh the internet quite reliably
will tear them apart for being
ungrateful and out of touch don't you
know that there's people that are
struggling oh my God how toned deaf
could you be uh so not only do we refuse
to learn the lessons we even refuse to
hear the message from the people warning
us about them
and even more than that for every single
one of those lessons if I think a little
bit deeper I can probably recall a time
including right now where I convinced
myself that I was the exception to the
rule that my particular mental makeup or
life situation or historical wounds or
dreams for the future render me immune
to these lessons being applicable no no
no no my my unique inner landscape would
be fixed by skirting around some of the
most well-known wisdom of the ages it's
like no no no no I can thread this
needle properly Watch Me dance through
this Minefield and avoid all of the trip
wires that everyone else is
kicked and then you kick
one and you then share a sort of knowing
luck with someone else who also learned
one of these unteachable lessons and
it's the kind of luck that can only
occur between two people who have been
hurt in the exact same way and a little
voice in the back of your mind will say
I told you
so and these unteachable lessons I guess
play into a broader idea
of there's
certain areas of life that you just
can't expedite I I wonder whether it's
because it's so alluring you know Fame
uh
sexiness Ador ation money uh the
distraction of doing something that
isn't seeing your parents and forgetting
how sort of time moves and that one day
they're going to be
gone a lot of those lists that list of
of questions and points all play on
things that we really really want stuff
that feels urgent that gets in the way
of things that are maybe more important
and um
you will reliably kick the trip wise of
many of those throughout your life and I
get the sense that this is a unique
category of lesson that just comes along
for the ride as a byproduct of getting
older that trying to expedite it trying
to get there a bit quicker uh maybe you
can do it but there's very few people I
know who have been able to say I don't
want the pretty girl who's difficult to
get I don't want money Fame I don't get
distracted from seeing my parents I
don't work too much without burning
myself out first there's very few people
who get to that realization without
having been burned so painfully and
maybe that's it as well that the Allure
of the success of these things or the
distraction away from stuff that's
important is so strong that it takes a
ridiculously painful event to actually
drive the nail into the coffin of
whatever this lesson is but yeah uh
unteachable lessons I think it's sort of
when you see it you can't unsee it and
um I'm watching them pop up every
I do think as well uh the sort of
audience that listens to Modern wisdom
is cool because the nuance and the
ability to sit with this person who's
rich is saying that being rich didn't
fix their problems that makes me who
wants to be richer feel upset which like
everybody right everybody wants to be
richer than they are and there's only a
few people who have said I've reached
like [ __ ] you money escape velocity post
money life uh but I don't see that so
much on the channel anymore which is
good and makes me feel uh proud of you
so hoay well done uh another lesson this
was one of my favorites I've been trying
to put a name to for ages as well um
I've been trying to work
out what sort of friends I wanted to
spend the most time around
and whether they were charismatic or
sort of engaging or what it was about
them that made them magnetic to me and I
came up with this idea called reverse
Charisma so Jenny Jerome who is Winston
Churchill's mother who was Winston
Churchill's mother dined with both prime
minister Benjamin Disraeli and his rival
William Gladstone on consecutive nights
back toback and she got asked about her
impressions of the two different men and
she said when I left the dining room
after sitting next to Gladstone I
thought that he was the cleverest man in
England but when I sat next to Disraeli
I left feeling like I was the cleverest
woman and I think most people assume
that they want to be charismatic they
want their energy to be compelling their
stories to be electric they want to walk
into a room and everybody be impressed
magnetized to them but when I started to
think about the friends I love and want
to spend the most time with they didn't
necessarily have Charisma they had
reverse Charisma and I guess the
question is why do certain people make
us feel boring but others
don't why is it that we feel full of
stories and inspiration around some
people but around others we've got
nothing to say and we try to assess
other people based on how interesting
they are and because of that we miss a
much more important issue which is how
interesting they make us feel like how
engaged is this person and how much of
us can they tolerate and how much of our
reality can they handle without us
having to edit ourselves how encouraging
and reassuring are they and how much do
they make us want to dig deeper and talk
more and how comfortably can we sit in
silence without needing to fill it that
basically how much of us do they
get and if it's not a lot then we're
inevitably going to be cautious and a
person feels interesting precisely to
the extent that they have become
familiar and at ease with the things
that are extreme and sad and dark and
agonizing and shameful and joyous and
exciting and if they are at home with
their own strangeness then they help us
to feel at home with ours where they
have gone we can follow what they have
felt safe exploring in themselves we
will be able to safely unpack around
them and this was the sort of
realization that architecting your
charisma is a nebulous and Scrappy task
that autistic pickup artists gave
themselves existential crises failing at
but building reverse Charisma is
something that anyone can do by being
curious and patient and
encouraging some people feel interesting
some people make us feel interesting and
there's a place for both but on average
our favorite people are the latter not
the former and it's way easier to be
someone who makes people feel
interesting than it is to be interesting
like when
you that was the whole point with the
pickup artist movement that they had
these flowcharts and fstep plans for if
she's going to I'm going to open and
then I'm going to twist the lemon and Ne
Ne The Kino escalation and dude all of
this to try and come across as somebody
who's interesting uh there was this
study done where they asked a uh a study
participant to uh take a flight in a
plane and somebody sat next to them and
that was one of the plants the plant was
told that they needed to keep the person
talking for the entirety of the flight
but not disclose any information about
themselves when they'd come off the
plane they asked the person who had been
sat next to the plant how was the flight
said oh brilliant actually really lovely
said and what were the other passengers
like we're just doing a little survey it
was amazing had this great conversation
this guy was so interesting oh okay can
you tell us their
name oh uh no okay can you tell us where
they were from or what they did or
anything they realize no but some people
feel interesting some people make us
feel interesting
and maybe it's just a byproduct of the
fact that so few people want to have a
collaborative conversation and that a
lot of the time it's this game of tennis
where you're waiting for the other
person to hit the ball so that you get
your chance to hit the ball so that they
get their chance to hit the ball as
opposed to you trying to tee them up for
the best shot that you can we even tried
to do this in uh George Max 30th in
Miami so we had uh the pickle ball court
in at the house that we were staying
where everybody was at and a football
and George used to do football freestyle
I'm aware it doesn't look like he used
to do that but I promise you he was
world class at doing it and um I thought
well this would be really cool cuz we
can do sort of a game of foot tennis
type thing and everyone was getting we
were all getting super competitive but
it wasn't a very it wasn't a very
beautiful game so I was like yeah why
don't we change the rules for a little
bit why don't we just try and make the
most beautiful game we can so the whole
point of the game was to keep the put
the ball into positions that yourself or
the other team or the guy that was on
your side could do something cool with
so as opposed to trying to win you were
trying to make it interesting and
immediately George's response was yeah
yeah yeah and then we can count how many
we do and we can see if we can get more
and I'm like no you [ __ ] doing the
dopamine thing again uh that compulsion
to sort of achieve or to win or to sort
of Drive things forward is really really
good but it's not necessarily needed
when you're sat around the dinner table
with some friends
so
just realizing that
first off realizing it's not necessarily
always your job to be the interesting
one it's other people's jobs to make you
feel interesting by opening up questions
to you that cause you to think more
deeply um another one is that point
around why to certain people do we have
lots to say and to others we don't have
anything at all is that your fault
because you're the same person between
these two different people the
difference is the people so that
suggests that there's something going on
Within
that is causing you to feel more or less
comfortable with opening up about
yourself and on top of that it means
that the people who make you feel really
comfortable are exciting and interesting
even though they don't actually need to
be interesting so anyway I think reverse
Charisma much easier way to be
interesting and uh we could all do with
cultivating a bit more of it uh Jack
butcher another lesson from him he came
on the show four years ago something
like that he says if more money wouldn't
change how you spend your time you're
already rich and a similar Insight from
James clear to stop trading things that
matter for ones that don't so if you
already live a comfortable life then
choosing to make more money but live a
worse daily life is a bad trade and yet
we talk ourselves into it all the time
we take promotions that pay more but
swallow our free time we already have a
successful business but we break
ourselves trying to make it even more
success uccessful there's too much focus
on wealth and not enough focus on
lifestyle and those two lessons if
moroney wouldn't change how you spend
your time you're already rich um brings
richness being wealthy way closer to you
now there's some people that have got
know a high materialism set point maybe
the way that their families showed love
when they were young was through gifts
maybe they've got a sort of keeping up
with the Jones's mentality maybe they're
in a very high net worth neighborhood or
something um and if that's you then you
know if you can't deprogram it you're
going to have to earn a lot of money
because in order for you to feel worthy
you're going to have to have material
possessions that sort of match that
level but if you're the sort of person
who like me doesn't have particularly
expensive tastes
and really if my net worth doubled all I
would do is
maybe buy slightly nicer coffee machine
I don't know like there's I don't
there's nothing that's sort of in my
mind where I think oh my God and i'
really love that thing and that's been
the case for probably a decade now and
it's not as if I've been Rich for a
decade um but basically if you don't
have a lot of materialism in you I think
that's a competitive advantage and I
think that you can look at people who
need lots of uh expensive material
possessions as kind of having
a weird sort of curse that they need
they're a very very hungry animal and
they need to keep on feeding this beast
in a way that you don't or basically
their burn rate for happiness materially
is way higher than yours and you can get
away with it being 10% or 20% or
whatever of this person because they
need to have the a new car that's never
more than two years old and they need to
have the design the shoes and you got to
have the bag and they got to have to
this um and I think that
realizing if making more money wouldn't
change much about how you live your
life you are already rich or if you can
even see little glimmers of that uh it's
a good starting point so anyway I love I
love those two and trading things that
matter for ones that don't living a
comfortable life
losing time or sanity for uh
additional even something that's super
arbitary and even more silly ideas that
James doesn't use um a promotion uh give
getting a better job title which has no
material use unless you're then going to
cash that in for a better position at
some point at some other company in
future but I think if you offer people a
5% pay rise or a promotion in terms of
their job title uh on average more
people choose the promotion because
status is one of these things that were
just driven for but you literally can't
cash it in unless at some point in the
future you manage to find a way to do it
uh so yes be care F about the focus on
wealth and not the focus on lifestyle
all right next one uh deliberate
deoptimization how much should you try
to optimize your life was a question
that I asked myself sort of how much
should you be thinking about ways to
improve how much should you care about
things and for many people perhaps even
most people the answer to all of those
questions is more the
world largely belongs to the intense
optimal
and not the Le Fair guy chilling in a
hammock who hit snooze three times this
morning so telling people to optimize
harder is a reliable way to improve the
lives of most people because most people
need to be tightened up rather than
loosened off and being more obsessive
will tend to deliver better results in
worldly success most advice is
charitably given to people who need to
think more carefully be more deliberate
and work harder the problem is when this
message lands with the wrong audience
The Perennial Perma
optimizes then it creates a world where
overthinkers are convinced to think even
more and these people need loosening off
not tightening up and given the fact
that you listen to this podcast or read
my newsletter I'm going to guess that
you fall into this category I'm not
saying that you shouldn't be obsessive
and pay attention to detail the problem
arises when you can no longer delineate
between the very small number of things
that matter enough to obsess over and
everything
else assume that you have a small bucket
of Pursuits which are important you've
probably learned that a very deliberate
effortful optimized approach is a
successful strategy this Obsession and
addiction begins to bleed into all other
areas of your life and turning off the
tap of optimization is hard soon enough
the entire map is flooded with the same
desire to always push for perfect your
brain tells you look at how effective
your perfectionism has been in your
professional life why don't we try and
apply that to your your sleep routine
and your training plan and your love
life and the house cleanliness and your
toenails and it doesn't go well one
solution I learned
about actually from the CTO of RP
strength um a guy called Andrew Z who
works with Mike isrel is deliberate
deoptimization so you purposefully let
areas which could be dialed in further
Fall by the wayside in order to give
your brain capacity to focus on the ones
that really matter focusing on your
pounds and not everyone else's pennies
sure you could have five credit cards
with special cashback bonuses and
capture all of the points for your air
miles but given that you're already
close to Capac
on the things to give a [ __ ] about list
is it wise to add yet another thing onto
that sure your intra workout nutrition
could probably be dialed in more with
pre-digested grass-fed way and dextrose
but what if this takes your energy away
from the key area of just hitting the
gym five times a week in the same way
you could spend all day watching the
stock market instead of just investing
in an de fund but how much damage will
this new candle graph addiction do to
your
relationship uh Oliver burkeman inspired
me with this thought recently which is
how much should you care about things
question how much should you care about
things answer I'm unsure exactly but I
know that it's not the absolute maximum
amount all the time for everything
basically not everything is a life or
death situation and even if you know
this cognitively you still behave
implicitly like it is so deliberately
letting go of certain areas is a good
way to give overthinkers like you and me
uh more space to regain a little bit of
Sanity basically the stress of trying to
be perfect will kill you more quickly
than your
imperfections and choosing the very
small bucket of things that are
unbelievably important to you and that
you want to have your obsession focus on
and when that habit that thought pattern
that framing starts to appear in other
areas of your life you just sort of
notice it you go oh yeah that's that
thing that I really love at
work and really don't want in my
relationship or in my sleep routine or
in the way that I keep my house or
whatever so I'm I'm just going to like
thank you for that and I appreciate you
I see you there but I don't really need
to worry so much and it's difficult
because you're going to be
hypertrophying this muscle in one very
particular domain or a few particular
domains and you're going to be trying
atrophy the same muscle in other domains
and it's really really tough this is a
uh problem to be managed not a paradox
to be solved perhaps that there is no
point at which this is going to be
stopped and just learning like being on
one of those Balance Board things where
there's a sphere in the middle of it at
no point are you actually at stasis
you're always just making little adjust
ments and I think maybe it's kind of
like that this next lesson I think might
be the best thing I've written in
probably about a year so I listened to a
podcast from Joe Hudson and he just blew
me away with this Insight around
productivity and it
really concretized something that I've
been thinking about for ages which I
love and hopefully it'll be useful to
you as well I realized there's a very
painful transition that everybody
eventually needs to make in their career
and their productiv journey to go from
operate a guy to IDE a guy at the
beginning of your career the only
advantage that you have is your work
rate because you've got no experience to
draw on and any natural talent you have
is capped by the fact that you've got no
experience to unlock it so you just work
hard to get ahead you answer all of the
emails you take all of the would love to
connect calls you send the invoices
write the copy hire the contractors
everything it's you but eventually that
stage of your journey expires and you
need to let it go maybe you have saf to
delegate to now maybe you've been given
a promotion and need to be thinking at a
more strategic high
level previously your job is to work
hard but not so much anymore and Joe
Hudson says your job isn't to work hard
your job is to have great ideas but
here's the
problem you've spent an entire career
ACC climatizing yourself to getting
stuff done you've built a monster inside
of you which sucks in difficult tedious
tasks and spits out completed efforts
you've created a link between being busy
doing things you don't want to do and
success the issue is it's really hard to
work out what you truly want and
determine whether or not you're moving
toward it but it's really [ __ ] easy
to see the number of emails that you
sent or how many hours you spent on
calls today being busy is more
satisfying than being
effective and it's very hard to work out
if your productivity efforts are
actually useful or if they're just a
dopamine fix that allows you to check
the dbx and feel like you completed
something so ask yourself is your job to
press enter on emails or to actually
move the mission forward and you can't
confuse the first one for the second one
another
challenge is this level of
busyness helps to make you feel
important uh a full calendar is a hedge
against existential loneliness you think
to yourself there's no way that I can be
an unwanted piece of [ __ ] look at how
many calls I have today look at all the
people who need my time and attention I
have to be important I have to be
valuable please please please assuage my
deep feelings of insufficiency you are
hooked on the dopamine of
I got stuff done today because even if
this wasn't a great use of your day at
least you don't feel useless and you
didn't have any time to consider that
you might not be fully actualizing your
potential in any case because you're
drowning in [ __ ]
emails another challenge is that
conspicuous busyness is much more
societally rewarded than quiet
Effectiveness we want other people to
see how hard we're working even if the
best thing for your missions outcome was
for you to go and lie on the beach today
and
think who's going to congratulate you
for taking on that challenge like let's
just think for a second the best thing
that you could do for your professional
outcomes your personal outcomes your
netw worth your mental health your
physical everything all of that would be
going offline lying on a beach and
getting a bit of a tan maybe maybe you
grab an ice cream um there's a dog there
for a little while you play with the dog
somebody else's dog you play with the
dog uh and then you come back and you
have an early night and from every
objective metric that makes your life
and the lives of the people around you
better who's giving you an award for
that dude well done today really really
well done well if we assume that the
reason that we do the work the reason
that we do any work is to move us toward
a goal that ultimately we want why would
we assume that sending useless emails
that don't move the project forward
should be more applauded than going to
the beach which does and it's because we
still have this Industrial Age Puritan
work set mindset around what working
hard looks like and again it's this
conspicuous productivity or obvious
busyness near burnout is worn like a
badge of honor to show your falty to the
mission obvious productivity is more
praised than private efficacy and here's
the thing almost
everyone's life goal
is where they get to a point where they
can say I just don't want to have to do
anything I don't want to do
anymore but what happens when you get
there because so much of your selfworth
is derived from overcoming hard things
and pushing yourself through difficult
tasks that you don't want to do so
imagine that you do reach your goal of
not having to do things you don't want
to do anymore where are you going to
find your satisfaction from now this is
why it's so difficult to let go of grunt
work and to let go of being permanently
busy even when your precise goal was to
get here to the point where you don't
need to do grunt work and you don't need
to be per permanently
busy I guess finally as well there's a
question of why is it so hard to take
pleasure in our successes and a big part
of that is largely because you're
constantly peering over the shoulder of
the present moment to see what's coming
next you're always just sort of looking
past what is in front of you or what's
happening right now so even during the
act of attaining a goal you're already
looking past it a little bit getting
ready to move the goalposts that you
just this second kick the ball into
further away down the field we are all
chasing a sense of completion but we
never actually allow ourselves to savor
any tastes of completion that we along
the way we assume that one day we're
going to arrive and that day never comes
because we never give ourselves a
break and then we realize that the path
we were speed running through was
actually the one to our grave and how
many people I mean what's that the five
most common regrets deathbed regrets one
of them I wish that hadn't worked so
much
I mean if you're going to Outsource it
to people that are on their deathbed
they've got no reason to lie I wish that
I kept in touch with my friends I wish
I'd allowed myself to be happy I wish
I'd lived uh my own life and not the one
that others expected of me I wish I'd
kept it I mean
look this Insight
around what is your productivity for
what are you working this hard for what
is it that you're trying to achieve are
you here to crank widgets and to keep
your slack at zero and to send emails or
you here to move your life meaningfully
toward the thing that you want the
problem is slack and calls and emails
are much easier and more obvious for you
to judge than did I get
myself toward a life that I want that's
really amorphous and tough but I buried
myself in work or I only slept four
hours last night we use the proxy
thing that in the beginning of our
journey when we were doing grunt work
was supposed to be predictive of where
we were going to end up we use that
mindset for the rest of time and look if
you're starting out on a career Journey
or you're at the bottom of a ladder of
something new uh This Might Sting a bit
because you're hearing about a
transition that you as of yet don't have
to make uh and aren't going to get to
make for quite a while but you need to
keep it in the back of your mind because
if you don't like the grunt work in the
beginning the only thing worse than that
is doing it when you no longer need to
do it when you've managed to get
somewhere closer up the top of the
ladder and um refusing to let go of it
is going to cap your progress and your
happiness and it's going to trap you in
thought patterns that you really don't
want and it's a difficult transition the
existential loneliness that you have to
deal with where it's like but I was
everybody needs me everybody wanted me I
was so busy all of the time it's like
yeah dude you you need to ask yourself
sort of deeper questions now and you
need to genuinely consider whether a
30-minute walk is the best thing that
you can do for your business or your
relationship or your family or whatever
it might be um and that's just I don't
know why is that less
sexy
than you know sitting down and grinding
out whatever needs to be the house
cleaning the the emails the you know
hardcore workout whatever might be it's
like you need to learn to chill out a
little bit more and uh that'll actually
in some weird roundabout way move you
closer to your goals too it's
interesting uh all right next one so
this is from uh Justin Lamer um who does
a ton of really interesting sex research
uh gay men see bisexual men as secretly
gay and lesbians see bisexual women is
secretly straight across two studies
involving a total of 288 gay and lesbian
participants researchers examined
attitudes towards stereotypes of
bisexuals and some of their findings
were that both gay men and lesbians hold
more negative views of bisexual persons
of the same sex than they did of the
other sex it's kind of interesting I
wonder whether that is some sort of a
sense that this person could be
competing in a market that the
individual wouldn't be threatened by but
they've chosen to step into their market
and maybe they'll take their partner
away that might be an idea uh compared
to lesbians gay men were more likely to
see bisexual men as having an unstable
sexual orientation and likewise compared
to gay men lesbians were more likely to
see bisexual women as having an unstable
sexual orientation gain maybe this is
just a a little bit of fear they're
keeping their eye on them I don't know
what direction you're going in um gay
men tended to see bisexual men as being
secretly gay whereas lesbians tended to
see bisexual women as secretly straight
basically in other words both groups
perceived bisexuals regardless of their
sex as being more attracted to men than
to women I mean that's [ __ ]
fascinating gay men tended to see
bisexual men as being secretly gay
lesbians tended to see bisexual women is
secretly
strained I don't know man uh there is
there is I mean I saw this in club promo
we used to refer to it there was a few
girls that swung both ways and if they
were in a relationship with a girl we
would mention that they were on a liquid
diet and then when they got back with a
boyfriend we'd say oh she's back on
solids now she's back on a solid diet
after she was on a liquid diet for a
while but she's back on solids um so
there is something in there I don't know
what it is maybe I think on average
women's sexualities are a little bit
more fluid um so there's just this sense
that sort of women will experiment a
little bit but they're still straight
whereas the guy that's experimenting
it's because of some you know
internalized fear of homophobia or not
being accepted by Society at large so
his way to get around it is by you know
dabbling just putting a toe in or maybe
more um yeah another Insight was that
lesbian's greater negativity toward
bisexual women relative to gay men was
statistically explained by lesbians
greater tendency to view bisexual women
as being primarily attracted to men by
contrast gay men's perception of by
sexual men is secretly gay didn't
account for why they held more negative
attitudes towards B men than lesbians
did don't really know what's going on
there I
guess maybe some some differences in
intrasexual competition somehow um yeah
basically it really shows that there is
a a bisexual Prejudice uh that exists in
the gay community and there's some
interesting gender dynamics that are at
play um so for all that Pride
focuses on the L and the G it's really
the B you know like the B is the one
which is the most persecuted even
internally inside of the
LGBT uh B is the I mean what's the T
[ __ ] doing in there right the T has
nothing in common with the L the G and
the B other than they get to enjoy Pride
together um uh but yeah poor bees um
another Insight kind of associated with
this um there's something called the
birth order effect which is kind of
getting replication crisis a bit at the
moment it's kind of interesting birth
order effect suggested that for every
older brother that a woman for every
male that a woman gives birth to it
increases the chance of subsequent males
being gay
so men with more older brothers were
more likely to be gay basically when
birthed from the same mother
interestingly some evidence showed that
miscarriages also counted toward this
and it was there was some suggestions
about sort of immune system some kind of
immune system mediation going on here to
how the the womb interacted with the
fetus and seeing it as a a a like alien
um
alien uh just a
nonnative um part of the body uh and
then the
obviously you'd think well that why
would that be the case for men but not
for women and this guy yakob F and some
colleagues looked at the Fraternal birth
order effect and they had a Croatian
Slovakian data and they found that the
Fraternal birth order effect exists for
lesbians too women with more older
brothers were also more likely to be
lesbian so I don't know what it is I
guess it depends if you want a gay son
or a gay daughter what you you better
hope for is a couple of boys first and
then you're off to the races you know
you've got like lesbian younger sisters
and gay younger brothers running around
all over the place maybe that's the way
it works but then I think it got
replication crisis like the whole thing
so now I don't know um and maybe I've
just fed you I've not fed you false
information I've just fed you
information that might need updating so
I'll come back to that suppose uh next
lesson so I told this story a couple of
times about a retreat I went to in
California but then I saw a Kurt vonet
quote that sort of perfectly summarized
it zipped it down uh and it's easy to
remember so Kurt says we are what we
pretend to be so we must be careful
about what we pretend to be we are what
we pretend to be so we must be careful
about what we pretend to be so I'd gone
to this retreat in California and I met
a business owner who had a big YouTube
channel that I used to watch a lot along
time ago and then I asked him why he'd
stopped making videos and he said I
started feeling like I had to live up to
in private the things which I was saying
in public and I think about this quite a
lot um I've come to sort of realize
there's two sides to fake it until you
make it and one is positing an ideal or
a better version of yourself which
You're motivated to live up to due to
the need for social consistency but that
stake in the ground acts as much like a
tether as it does a Finish Line If you
commit yourself to some worldview or
life
philosophy what happens if you stop
agreeing with it sure you might want
everyone you might want to change but
everybody around you has grown
accustomed to the previous version of
you and whether it's Lifestyle Changes
like your dietry approach or your
training methodology or worldview
changes like a religious belief or
political affiliation or personality
changes like commitments to growth or
going sober or changing friend groups
social consistency bias is a
double-edged sword a while ago some of
the leading influences of the ex paleo
diet movement then the carnivore
movement started to add fruit into their
food and the aptly called meat and fruit
diet caused uproar not because of
evidence that the diet is based on but
because its new proponents had ardently
stated a different belief in the past
and the change caused the people around
them to feel uncomfortable this is the
danger the social incentives align for
you to not change in public even if you
grow out of your beliefs in private
stupid people see someone changing their
mind as an indication of
unsophistication because they don't
understand that updating your worldview
when you grow is a sign of intelligence
not fickleness and that an unwavering
commitment to a narrow worldview is not
cleverness but a sub to shoot for it
which unfortunately means that after
changing your mind in public it often
results in you being attacked by a large
number of mostly stupid people and the
more public you are about it the harder
it is to reverse perfect example of this
Alex okon Goes vegan is convinced about
the ethics the philosophical
underpinnings of veganism does not want
to contribute to animal suffering but as
a byproduct of that his health suffers
and he is struggling to keep his health
to where it needs to be whilst eating a
balanced plant-based diet it's not
something he says that he doesn't think
you can do but something that given
his level of conscientiousness and
preparedness it was something he was
struggling to do so his demeanor was
incompatible with the challenges that
his new diet informed by his new
philosophy had given to him so he went
back to eating meat
he had to announce in public something
which he had changed in private and he
got [ __ ] castigated on the internet
for it for ages I mean he's now out the
other side I don't think anyone really
brings it up anymore but that was
uncomfortable to watch especially when
you think this guy's doing it for his
health and he said it he told you he you
know made this change and and he told
you about it he didn't lie he didn't
continue to get those sweet vegan
dollars if they ever existed uh
he never did that he told you as soon as
you changed and people still had a
problem with it so be careful of the
things that you say in private are not
being able to be compatible with the
expectations people have of you in
public and um yeah that Stak in the
ground versus Finish Line am I positing
an ideal or am I attaching my self worth
to an expectation that I'm then going to
have to rip off me I'm going to have to
sort of Peel this [ __ ] skin off me
that everybody else expects it's
difficult personal growth is hard enough
as it is without all of the expect it's
why you know to be honest what are we 45
minutes in I can talk about this now
it's the reason why I don't talk about
like deeply talk about my relationships
on the show uh you know even though I
talk about relationships and dating uh
and a lot of the Dynamics it's evidently
something I'm interested in I'm
obviously you know on the path toward
trying to build a family and do all the
rest of the stuff but I think it's
[ __ ] so hard to have a relationship
full stop having a relationship with
even a couple of thousand people
observing it you remember what it was
like when you used to get the um Chris
Williamson is in a relationship
notifications on Facebook or whatever
and you would see it from your friends
and people would be able to like it and
comment on it and so and then it would
tag the other person but then it would
also show Chris Williamson is single
[ __ ] like you've only got what I think
thousand friends or something on
Facebook that was a huge deal I mean I
don't know maybe I'm speaking depends
how young you are you might not have
ever seen that on Facebook that was
[ __ ] revolutionary by the way bring
back Facebook uh dating [ __ ] but that
was hard just doing that was hard so how
hard is it when you're posting photos of
you both and you know that's the reason
why I've kept that area of my private
life private because again you've got
this like expectation the stake in the
ground additional scrutiny um you know
do you stay in relationships for longer
than you should because you're scared
about what people are going to think do
you leave relationships more quickly
than you should because you're scared
about what what people are going to
think like you just you're never
existing for yourself you're always
existing for this version of of what
people who
don't necessarily have your best
interests at heart think about how you
should behave and uh yeah digital hijab
as Mary Harrington calls it uh I've got
my I've got my digital hijab on uh next
one this a Mark Manson Insight which I
[ __ ] adore so he says neediness
occurs when you place a higher priority
on what others think of you than what
you think of yourself anytime that you
alter your words or behavior to fit
someone else's needs rather than your
own that's
needy anytime you lie about your
interests or your hobbies or your
background that's needy anytime that you
pursue a goal to impress others rather
than fulfill yourself that's needy
whereas most people focus on what
behavior is attractive or unattractive
what determines neediness and therefore
attractiveness is the why behind your
behavior you can say the coolest thing
or do what everyone else does but if you
do it for the wrong reason it will come
off as needy and desperate and turn
people off turning people off is
definitely not optimal I like turning
people on as much as the next guy but I
think there's an even bigger price to be
paid here which is your own selfworth so
imagine for a second a world in which
you are unanimously adored by millions
but you hate
yourself are you
happy is it worth
it and now imagine a world where you're
disliked by everybody but you love
yourself I propose that selflove you
would be happier because ultimately in
some tost roundabout way the reason we
want validation from others is to give
us a good enough reason to validate
ourselves and if you compromise yourself
in order to gain favor with other people
you'll
know even if you think you're not
keeping score your subconscious is and
given that you're the sort of person who
listens to this show you probably keep
score a lot more accurately than is
typical how can you EXP expect to have
faith in yourself if you can't even keep
your own word so the problem is we
sacrifice the thing that we want which
is selfworth for the thing which is
supposed to get it which is
validation sacrifice selfworth to get
validation in the hopes that if we have
sufficient validation we will finally be
able to have some
selfworth uh sacrificing the thing that
you want for the thing that's supposed
to get it and um yeah this neediness
Insight that you know it's kind of it's
not too dissimilar to
that point from before from Sam ens
where you think
[ __ ] we have these expectations public
expectations familial
expectations people don't like change
there's also another reason that people
don't like change I think is because we
want to be able to predict project out
where somebody is going to be in future
and the more easy they are to predict as
in the more reliably they fall into our
model of
them the less we need to sort of worry
about what's going to happen you know
don't worry about Chris he's he's he's
he's a he's a good guy he'll he'll he'll
he'll be on board with the next whatever
Trump policy or he'll be on board with
the next Kamala policy or he'll be on
board with the next whatever because he
was with the last ones but if you start
to deviate a little bit whether it's
political ideology philosophy life
Direction career uh you know temperament
in its extreme this is sort of bipolar
right it's oh my God I'm so scared of
whether or not this person's going to be
high or low or whatever it might be but
in smaller ways the same discomfort
comes through us because we like I don't
know if they're still going to sort of
be here in a year's time what if they
outgrow me what if they outgrow a
friendship what if they start to
disagree with something that's really
sacred to me uh so in that way people
who don't necessarily go along with the
crowd are seen as a threat in many ways
uh so yeah I
think just something to consider all
right some more dating stuff uh this is
Insight from Chris Bumstead awesome
episode with him last year and I was
asking him about how to choose a good
partner how to know when you've sort of
found the one and Chris said find
someone who you just feel safe being a
burden to you're not going to
intentionally be a burden but sometimes
you suck you know sometimes you're a
burden and even if you don't feel safe
being like that around your partner if
you have to withhold things from them
and put on that show you're never going
to feel safe around them and you're not
going to want to be there for them as
much when they're being a burden as well
you just become these two people
dividing and conquering all of your
problems rather than taking on the world
together I think I always felt like I
wanted to be great at everything I did
and great at what I pursued and I never
expected to be as good as I was so it
would just be such an interesting relief
to be able to give myself to think you
are going to be great you are going to
have all these things that you want but
you're also going to to realize that
they're not as important as you think
they are you're going to come to the
realization where your relationships and
your values and everything you enjoy and
experience aren't going to come down to
spectacular moments on stage they're
going to be much simpler than that
they're just going to be these moments
where you're being yourself and the
people who love you for that are going
to be
everything it's awesome you know this
guy who has conquered the sport has sort
of defined an enti generation of
bodybuilders and then bowed out at 30 uh
is able to say completed it but even in
the process of completing it six times
in a
row the big wins weren't the big wins
the big wins were the little ons and
they were the shares and the opportunity
for me to celebrate what I'd done with
people who cared about me who knew me
and it's great and magnificent and
impressive and all the rest of
it but it wasn't What mattered um you
know a successful career in a terrible
marriage can make your life miserable an
average career and an amazing marriage
can make your life delightful
so you need to Choose Wisely I saw this
thing on Reddit actually five questions
to ask yourself if you're unsure about
your relationship if someone told you
you're a lot like your partner would
this be a compliment to you are you
truly fulfilled or just less lonely
are you able to
unapologetically be yourself or do you
feel the need to show up differently to
please your partner are you in love with
who your partner is right now as a whole
or are you only in love with their good
side the potential or the idea of them
and would you want your future or
imagined child to date someone like your
partner those are absolute Hammer blows
I think almost everything in here if
someone told you look like your partner
would you would this be a compliment to
you um are you in love or with just the
idea or would you want your future child
imagine child to date someone like your
partner those three are sort of taking
you out of the situation and imagining
that you're somebody else you're
something else um it's for a different
person um so that's creating a little
bit of psychological distance are you
truly fulfilled or just less lonely um
is you know fantastic Insight around the
reason that we suck so much in
relationships is that we're terrified of
being alone and that means that we stay
in relationships are we accept
relationships that we shouldn't do
because familiar loneliness or familiar
uh partnership is more enjoyable than
unfamiliar loneliness and that's not
good uh are you able to unapologetically
be yourself or do you feel the need to
show up differently to please your
partner I think that a lot of that is
around uh the level of openness the
level of comfort um that you have how
much do you need to self-edit know the
the question around uh the person that's
your best friend is the one that you
have the least filter with and that you
can sit in silence with without having
to fill it so it's the person that you
can talk the most with in an
unincumbered way and the person you can
shut up the most with in an unincumbered
way um and if that's not your partner
then you're struggling
because your relationship should feel
like home
it should feel like a house with a
sturdy roof
and strong foundations and [ __ ] gets
thrown at it all the time and rain comes
down and there's weather and there's
heat and there's cold but inside of that
house is the one safe Refuge that you
have you can lose your job
status your financial position can fall
away your health can break down your
friends can leave you but you have this
one safe place and it's in another
person it's in them and if you can't be
yourself with that person the entire
house does not exist it's
fake so you need to make sure that you
can be yourself with your partner or
else you have no safe Refuge from the
world which is [ __ ]
terrifying uh on The Dating Line hosi
dropped a a [ __ ] Slammer the other
day which I want to talk to him about
the next time I speak to him if you find
a girl who believes in your dreams more
than you do who makes you want to be a
better man who's willing to work
alongside you to get there and is
grateful for whatever you have just
marry
her that's how you make marriage an easy
yes how you make marriage an easy yes is
by having a girl who has those if you
find a girl who believes in your dreams
more than you do who makes you want to
be a better man who's willing to work
alongside you to get there and is
grateful for what whatever you have just
marry her the rest of the stuff will
sort itself out man I really do get that
sense maybe I'm getting soft in my old
age I don't know um I guess there was
one final element I got asked a bunch of
questions about the black pill and stuff
and sort of incels the last time on a
Q&A some point recently and
um it's kind of an
unfalsifiable um philosophy in a lot of
ways because there's many kernels of
Truth in it you you know um realizations
about what women want uh physically in a
partner and the fact that some men just
no matter how many push-ups they do
they're not going to get there um it's
tough you know it's a a hard biological
limit um but there's
a there is a very specific cohort of men
frustrating men guys who have got
nothing going for them no Drive in their
life they're uncomfortable in their own
skin they're endlessly miserable they
keep complaining about women having too
high standards it's like bro your
standards for yourself are through the
[ __ ] floor your friends don't want to
hang out with you you don't want to hang
out with you why do you think a woman
would want to hang out with you and how
is this their fault that they've got too
high standards you suck you suck your
friends don't want to hang with you you
don't want to hang with you why lay at
the feet of women the fact that they
have got too high standards I am all for
it will [ __ ] die on the hill of
fighting for more empathy for men right
and I have
been thrown under the bus many times for
doing so I again be able to walk this
tight rope where I'm so Cy cocked that
the manosphere considers me to be blue
pilled but I'm also such a misogynist
that Guardian readers think that I'm
Andrew Tate from wish and
I don't care anymore like I don't care
about being misjudged by people who
don't understand what I'm trying to
achieve
and there's a group of people out there
maybe the large majority who are
reasonable and who understand that it's
not Zero Sum when it comes to empathy
who realize that you can raise up men
without dragging down women that you can
support women without forgetting about
the challenges of men that you can tell
men that they need to pick themselves up
by their bootstraps and actually do some
work without forgetting that those men
have got challenges that need structural
support from society at large and we
need initiatives and we need
investment and that some women do have
too high standards some women do have
skewed perspectives of what they're
worth but you're not going to get into a
relationship with them in any case
what's your goal with screaming at these
these harpies on the internet these like
[ __ ] women who go on to these dating
shows and like I'm going to get a guy
who's got like six six feet six and he's
got like six figures and he's got a six
inch like what are you really really
going to go and change their you going
to U-turn them and turn that chick into
wifey no you're not you're getting
frustrated because you think that they
are a representation of women at large
but that woman by Design sucks so you're
not going to hang out with her so just
don't pay attention to her and move
toward the chicks that are perfectly
normal that there are so many [ __ ]
awesome women out there who want to get
into a relationship who just want a man
who's got those traits that we talked
about
before yeah I um that special category
of men who don't have anything going for
them no Drive uncomfortable in their own
skin endlessly miserable complaining all
the time and laid at the feet of women
dude point the [ __ ] finger in the
mirror like I will give you as
much Social
confidence training diet hairstyle
advice until the cows come home and I
will continue to do it but if you're not
doing any work and you're saying that
it's the fault of women that you're not
getting
dates [ __ ] that's on you guy anyway
what a [ __ ] wonderful positive tone
for me to finish this 900th episode on
but I love it I mean some of these
lessons today I really I really adore
and I hope that you do too and I
appreciate you all and I'm actually
going to be in Mexico tomorrow so wish
look I'm getting some treatments and
stuff for the health [ __ ] that I'm
fighting with at the moment mold and evv
and lime and all of that [ __ ] so uh
[ __ ] pray for Chris if you would uh
pray for this mustache as well because
it's probably not going to be here the
next time that you see me but I
appreciate you all roll on episode
10,000 peace